Tell me about ancient Turkey. Why was it Hellenized even before Alexander came? What was it like compared to Greece?
>>926053
>Why was it Hellenized even before Alexander came?
Because it was basically the same civilization?
>ancient Turkey
>>926053
You mean ancient Anatolia, right?
Ethnic Turks only came to the area now known as Turkey circa the year 1000, before then Anatolia was just Greeks and some Armenians here and there.
>>926097
I was just trying to help you, bruh
Don't you mean ancient Anatolia? There was no Turkey back then
>>926102
You fucking know what I meant. Saying ancient Turkey as in the geographic area of modern day turkey in ancient times is still correct you nitpicky twat
>>926110
'Ancient Turkey' is a legitimate term. If you know anything about history you know that historians frequently use modern day geographic terms even when referring to ancient times
>>926114
Well, to put it very briefly, I believe ancient Greek pre-Hellenic civilization was heavily influenced by Anatolian civilizationn, then it was in turn hellenized later on.
>>926123
This is the closest bibliography I could find to your topic:
http://pastebin.com/JQKwB1GT
>>926053
Say anatolia or asia minor you fucking pleb
turkey is a modern country, not a region
>>926158
Historians use the terms interchangeably, dipshit
>>926169
Which historians? Calling Anatolia "ancient Turkey" is going full retard.
>>926053
Turkey was Hellenized centuries before Alexander.
>>926169
they say "what is modern day turkey" not just "turkey"
>>926184
>>926177
Ok shitheads. Greece wasn't a unified entity in ancient times, yet historians refer to it as 'ancient greece'. It was a collection of city states with a common culture, but not a unified entity. It's the same idea with turkey.
http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Turkey-Routledge-World-Archaeology/dp/0415481236
Here's an example of a historian referring to 'ancient turkey'. Now shut the fuck up. The terms are interchangeable, no need to be a twat about it
Hellenes first used Millawanda, which historians commonly refer to as ancient Balat as a base for slaving expeditions. They started colonizing the coast more and expanded inward after the Hittite empire vanished.
>>926201
They usually just call it Hellas.
>>926201
First review
>"The content of the book is interesting, but the title itself is misleading. There is no "Ancient Turkey," the history of Turkey goes back to 1100 AD. The region that today's Turkey occupies, used to be ancient Mitanni, Hurrian Kingdom, Hittite Kingdom, Land of Urartu and Armenian Kingdom. To label the historical remains of those ancient people as "Ancient Turkey" is an insult to every student of ancient history. "
>>926234
>random Amazon.com reviewer vs historian
>thinks the reviewer is more credible
lol ok
>>926249
>> social status > reason
MASSIVE pleb
>>926268
>literally anyone can write a review
>that makes it credible
Hmmm...
>>926201
In the case of Greece there is a traceable cultural and "national" descent from the ancient world to today. The Turkish people, nation, and culture that exist in Asia minor today, in contrast, immigrated from elsewhere.
>>926282
Turks have always lived there dude, there's a reason we call it ancient turkey.
>>926292
Haha funny ironic bait XD upvote
This is terrible bait.
>>926308
It's ironic how you and other people are trying to sound smart by saying 'B-BUT ONLY ANATOLIA IS LE RIGHT NAME', meanwhile you're just showing how ignorant you are of historical terminology. Ancient Anatolia is interchangeable with ancient Turkey because it's the same geographical area. Anyone with common sense, and who isn't a pretentious shitposter can see that
>>926325
t. ancient Turk hailing from ancient turkey
>>926325
Uh generally you use Turkey to refer to the country and Anatolia to refer to the geographical area. They aren't really interchangeable. I'm not some t*rk hater but it is silly.
>>926325
You should've just said Ancient Anatolia, it would have prevented this shitstorm
>>926349
Right but that's not my fault. It's the fault of pretentious retards who want to be able to say 'T-THATS NOT RIGHT YOU DUMMY!!!11'
>>926359
You could just not have been a t*rk.
>>926359
It's your fault for trying to defend a position that is wrong as it is retarded. Normally people would accept their mistake and move on. Go on make a new thread about the Mongols invading medieval Soviet Union.
>>926387
>It's your fault for trying to defend a position that is wrong as it is retarded
This is pretty pathetic. Ive shown you that you're wrong and even shown you that historians use historical terminology in this way, and now you're trying to damage control. Just stop posting, you're only embarassing yourself
>>926053
Yes they were.
Since the bronze age the Myceneans (proto greeks) colonized the western coast of Anatolia and founded some cities like Milawanda Miletus and Apasa (Ephesus) which survived well into the iron age, during the iron age the colonization of western Anatolia continued and extended even beyond.
>>926053
WE WUZ HITTIES N SHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMhVh6edP_k
WE WUZ TROJANS N SHEEIT
>>926053
The Ionian Greek cities of the coast were rather wealthy and centres of a high-prestige civilisation, this gradually seeped into the Anatolian interior. By the end of the 1st millenium BC most of the individual Anatolian cultures had vanished as distinct entities, e.g. Cappadocia, Bithynia, Pontus etc.
>>928091
You mean Turkish cultures?
>>926169
Who? Turkish historians? lmao fuck off
>>928443
Kurds aren't native either
>>926102
>this is what people actually believe
>>926102
There were shitload of different peoples before the greeks though.
