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ITT: Examples of history repeating itself.
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>>918525
Afghanistan, aka the grave of empires
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Just Germany being germany.
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>>918540
What's repeating apart from people disagreeing?
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>>918676
Germany destroying Europe again of course
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>>918681
(you)
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>>918688
am I wrong?
flooding a senile population with foreigners who hold different values and have a high birth rate will obviously lead to out-breeding and the death of native cultures
what is your picture meant to tell me?
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>>918681
Now that doesn't sound like a very differentiated opinion.
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>>918700
fuck are you on about?
an opinion has to be different and unique for it to be right?
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>>918705
differentiated, not different. It sounds simplistic to me. Your topic probably is the influx of foreigners. I fail to see how that destroys Europe. And much more, since this is about repeated history, how that is comparable to a world war.
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history is just repeating digits
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>>918714
Because le eben "eternal gemrany should have been balkanized, they are destroyers of l'evropa" is the tastiest and dankest of memes amongst enlightened Franco-Slavs such as myself.
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>>918714
what is comparable is germany destroying europe again as it did in the second world war, not the influx of foreigners itself you nonce

how can you fail to see how taking in 1.5-2 million people with foreign cultures and values per year will prevent integration (which takes years itself) and destroy the native culture which is held by people with one of the worlds lowest birth rates?
with these people self-segregating themselves as they've done in the UK, Sweden, France and every other country they go to (naturally) it just won't work
give it a generation and germany will be dead along with any other country the mad bastards have caught up in their delusions
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>>918721
ah, I see, BTFO to
>>>/pol/
then
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>>918732
>ITT: Examples of history repeating itself.
>tells people to go to /pol/ if they say something he doesn't like
fuck off, cancer
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>>918532
Afganistan is example of situation when kingship was better and above all.
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>>918729
Dead in the sense of having become a multicultural society? That deed is long done. Germany is mostly americanized. The parts of German culture rightwingers usually rave on about have been dead since 1945 and rightly so. These bits are mostly militaristic and Prussian anyway.
>taking in 1.5-2 million people with foreign cultures and values per year
That doesn't happen. It didn't happen in the past and won't in the future. Most people fail to see the difference between asylum seekers and refugees and ignore the hard numbers. 1.5-2 million per year is hyperbolic propaganda. Also taking in refugees is quite the opposite of what Nazi Germany did. So to stay on topic of repeating history, your claim is horse shit. You may not like it, but comparing it to the 3rd Reich is laughable.
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>>918737
Wow, such a mature and profound argument comparing historic periods.
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>>918771
>According to IOM and UNHCR estimates, around one million migrants and refugees arrived in Europe till 21 December 2015, three to four times more than in 2014.
>In January and February 2016, over 123,000 migrants landed in Greece, compared to about 4,600 in the same period of 2015
it does, and its rising continually

again, reading comprehension you downy, the point was that Germany is once again destroying Europe, not the way in which it is doing it

>Dead in the sense of having become a multicultural society?
yeah, Multiculturalism is a joke, especially when native cultures become a minority in their own country
if they ever think that'll happen where I'm from they have another thing coming
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>>918787
So a) the numbers are lower than you claimed,
and b) you leave out the rejected asylum requests (couple hundred thousands in 2015). C) a treaty with Turkey has been bargained that brought the influx of fugees to a grinding halt. Thus your claim >its rising continually
is false. Yeah, the treaty sucks, but that's a different topic.
May I ask what your expectation regarding Germany's culture is? Germany has been absorbing wanderers forever. Comes with the territory. After 1945 millions of people came from the areas that fell under the Soviet and Polish yoke. Integrated with no big problems.
19th century innumerable Poles came and settled here, no problem. After 1990 Germany took in countless Diaspora Germans, whose families hadn't seen the fatherland for 200 years. Prussia took in Huguenots and so on and so forth. If there is one comparison that can be made regarding repeating history it's that Germany once more takes in people. Culture of Germany is strong enough to take it.
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>>918837
>So a) the numbers are lower than you claimed,
no, the numbers recorded by IOM and UNHCR don't account for unregistered migrants spilling in

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-idUSKBN0UD19I20151230

one million in Germany ALONE

>the Saechsische Zeitung reported that the authorities expect about 125,000 asylum seekers to have registered on Germany's EASY system in December, down considerably from 206,000 last month.
>That brings the overall figure to 1.09 million people.

the numbers being taken in today are unprecedented, it has no comparison in history of a people willingly taking in so many millions with foreign cultures and ideals
>After 1945 millions of people came from the areas that fell under the Soviet and Polish yoke.
how many millions per year?
>After 1990 Germany took in countless Diaspora Germans, whose families hadn't seen the fatherland for 200 years.
how many millions per year?
>Prussia took in Huguenots and so on and so forth
how many millions per year?

>you leave out the rejected asylum requests
of course I do, I was talking about the amount of migrants already in Germany, not the amount refused acceptance just outside the gates

>Thus your claim >its rising continually
is false.
not at all, the amount coming in has doubled, tripled and quadrupled since 2014 and
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>>918525
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>1820: Napoleon is Genghis Khan!
>1940: Hitler is Napoleon!
>2015: Putin is Hitler!
>2050: [x] is Putin!
etc. etc.
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>>918853
Well you were raving about 1.5-2 million.
Ostgebiete make up for 12-14 million people between 1944 and 1950. Aussiedler account for 400k in 1990, 225k in 91 and 92, numbers dropping. People of German origin taken back amount to 4.5 million since 1950. Hugenots account for 50k people
You are still making the point that Germany will take in "millions" of people for every year now ad infinitum, which is bullshit as pointed out. Floodgates were opened, which caused a lot of internal resistance. As it happens democratic processes lead to some sort of Agreement, which was the Turkey treaty. In March the whole number of 3000 people came.

As for the asylum requests - this means people who are already here. They apply for asylum, this is rejected, tehy are sent home. Thus you have to deduct the numbers from the totals once they are gone and not add them to your outrageous figures.
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>>918872
>2020: Trump is Putin
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>>918837
What do you refer to by "grinding halt" ?

And regarding absorption, history doesn't always repeat itself. France has been absorbing poles, italians, spaniards, and even lebanese people in the past. Then north africans came, starting in the sixties, and they still aren't assimilated. Third-generation immigrants still have identity problems, still prefer to stay in their community, still adhere to a culture starkly divergent from the dominant and preexistent french culture, and some of them even kill french people because of it.
Things are different. Birth rates, economy, politics... Religion, of course, and I would argue that skin color is part of the issue and maybe the most unsolvable one : not only are these people condemned to be always recognized as foreigners by europeans, they will always see themselves as non-whites too, and as such will always have issues about their "roots", about what they belong to, and so on, and will generally be reluctant to get assimilated because of that among other things. Unlike poles and italians who have to look into their genalogy to be reminded of their origin, these guys just have to look into a mirror.

This isn't comparable to a world war, and germany is mostly destroying itself. It's actually, as far as I know, an unprecedented process. But it's without a doubt a process that is likely to destroy western european nations.
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>>918886
>Ostgebiete make up for 12-14 million people between 1944 and 1950.
you're comparing people of former East Germany to fresh off the boat migrants from bumfuck nowhere in the ME? kek

>Aussiedler account for 400k in 1990, 225k in 91 and 92, numbers dropping.
not even close to current numbers per year then, thank you

chances are the current deal with Turkey will be dropped what with all the whinging about it, I'm glad we've traded millions of staunch Muslims for secular Turks now though, things are looking up
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>>918901
>What do you refer to by "grinding halt" ?
500k asylum requests in 2015
120k asylum requests in Jan/Feb 2016
3k in March 2016
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>>918923
why request asylum when nobody even bothers to guard their borders?
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>>918919
>you're comparing people of former East Germany to fresh off the boat migrants from bumfuck nowhere in the ME? kek
I do, Eastern Prussians were regarded as completely alien. The difference to today is that they were white.
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>>918931
>The difference to today is that they were white.
don't forget Christian or European, you massive faggot
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anyway to me the solution is obvious.

send them in australia.
australia is huge, with a very low density of population, workforce would be a blessing for them. also they don't have a culture to preserve and they're used to immigrants, so here's the fucking deal
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>>918944
fuck off, we're full
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>>918944
>huge
>Low density of population
>Used to immigration
Why not just place them all at Greenland?
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>>918923
I can't find your source, what is it ?
And I'm doubtful that the link you make between the agreement and the numbers is valid, since it has only been applied for the last ten days or so.

>>918886
>they are sent home
Here in france it's not true. The deportations are not systematic or immediate and a lot of people stay as clandestine migrants. It is quite difficult to get a hold on the individuals, to determine where to send them back, and to do it within a due process. I would suppose that germany is not much more efficient at it.
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>>918936
So the point setting your opinion in the right is that you are an angst-ridden, xenophobic and racist asshole?
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Russia's history, from the 13th century until the present day, is an unending cycle of consolidation, military expansion, and then a destructive setback reversing their gains.
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>>918965
Islam has no place in Europe Saracen, non-practicing Muslims are fine though
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>>918957
>I can't find your source, what is it ?
For March here http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Immer-weniger-Fluechtlinge-nach-Deutschland-article17332376.html ist talks about 5k in March. Cant find the other article that stated 3k, but let's stick to the higher number.
The other numbers are from here https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/DE/Downloads/Infothek/Statistik/Asyl/statistik-anlage-teil-4-aktuelle-zahlen-zu-asyl.pdf
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>>918974
I'll take that as a yes.
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>>918979
>its racist to dislike Islam
scuttle off somewhere else
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>>918681
>Inviting a group of people amounting to well under 1% of the German population is destroying the entire continent
ok
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Why are there so many leftist gay cunts on /his/?
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>>918992
>An estimate made in 2009 calculated that there are 4.3 million Muslims in Germany (5.4% of the population).
???
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>>918995
they thought they'd found a safe-space for their shite
plus history as a subject in universities is generally dominated by the left
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>>918996
Don't even bother. You can argue with cockheads
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>>919003
Can't*
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>>918983
you forgot xenophobic and angst-ridden
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>>918992
>inviting young peoples in working age with a high birth rate into a aging country with a deficient birth rate
>puting your country under the risk of having it's identity removed under a few generations because of said young immigrants

your lack of vision is showing dude.
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>>919002
That explains it then. Thanks Jesus
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>>919009
>Islam is a mono-cultural and is followed solely by one race of people
k

>>919019
in nomine patri et fili et spiritus sancti brother
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>>918996
Those have nothing to do with Merkel.
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>>919026
>amounting to well under 1% of the german population
you said nothing about Merkel, but she has increased that 5% since 2009 by well over 50%
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>>918525
Europe and the Roman Empire aka peaceful invasion bringing inferior culture
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>>918714
not that guy, but a strong germany always fucks the balance of power of europe ever since the 1870s.
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>>919024
>Islam is a mono-cultural and is followed solely by one race of people
That would refer to racist, you quoted the other qualities.
>in nomine patri et fili et spiritus sancti brother
you forgot the 2nd 'i' in 'filii'
Linguistic skills don't appear to be your strong suit.
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>>919104
Finally. That's a valid point. Question is what Germany would be supposed to do. The foreign politics have been (almost) consistently peaceful and always in line with NATO politics.
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>tfw muslim in Europe
never knew my mere existence on this continent magically poses such an existential threat to Europe
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>>919174
PLZ DON'T EXPLODE!
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>>919174
>my mere existence
You should get your nose out of the quran, or off the ground, and start learning english.
No one talked about your individual case.
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>>919174

Since you're a muslim i assume you live in the non-shitty part of Europe.

The fact that you know and own the holy book of your religion means you don't fit in the non-shitty European society.

Unless you're from the balkans.
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>>919174
Why don't you go back to your own country?
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>>919230
For the most parts of this thread one could argue that owning a book would proof he doesn't fit into European society.
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>>919248

That statement is empirically false.
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>>919113
I think you got mixed up on your way to 2011 pham
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>>919257
Yes, sorry. I deducted my own posts from the total.
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>>919276
christ you're full of yourself aren't you, I could probably point out every post made by you based on the self-masturbation of this one post
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>>919280
Probably.
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>>919295
is pride not a sin in Islam?
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>>919230
>Since you're a muslim i assume you live in the non-shitty part of Europe
But /int/ and /pol/ told me specifically that Western-Europe was the shitty part. You really think someone would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?

>>919244
Born here after my family got exiled, can't exactly go back
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>>919299
How the fuck would I know, I'm an atheist.
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>>918965
what's so alien about rejecting foriegn cultures from your homeland? Arabs, Africans and Islam are all incredibly foriegn to Europe. They just don't mix. That's not xenophobic or racist. Saying that ragheads and niggers are inferior beings is racist. Saying islam and those who follow it are pedophile mass murderers is xenophobic. Telling them all to go home is neither.
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Karl XII, NapolƩon and Hitler all got fucked invading Russia

>>918837
>After 1945 millions of people came from the areas that fell under the Soviet and Polish yoke.
Weren't those mosty Germans though? It's idiotic to compare the immigration of even other Europeans, even more so if they're actually Germans, to the immigration of people from other contnents.
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>>919230
nah look at the dirty shit fingers.
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>>919317
he looks breddy white to me desu, its hard to tell the difference between Arabs and southern euros most of the time
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>>919174
what were you originally typing?
>always nice to know what a threat my existence is to this continent
I'm sure it is, Ahmed
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>>919301
But what specifically makes it shitty to them is the presence of millions of guys like you.
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>>919328
I'm always looking out for those special people that have trouble recognising sarcasm so I toned it down a notch

>>919336
Is this what they call brown guilt?
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>>918965
"Wow your views don't match mine, I'm going to call you mean names!"
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>>919355
>sarcasm
if you genuinely practice your religion as a Muslim then you quite literally are a threat to Europe, considering practicing muslims are on average more likely to support Shariah law in their resident countries
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>>919356
You missed the 'downy', 'faggot' and 'cancer' directed at my posts before mate.
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>>919372
don't be a cancerous downy faggot then
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>>919381
One man can only do so much.
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>>918965
>liking your culture over others is bad
>favoring your culture over others is bad
>your culture dominating your country is bad
check out this cuck
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>>919369
Did you really think playing the more-likely-to-support-Shariah card was gonna work on a site that has plenty of people nonsarcastically advocating genocide?
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>>919458
I never claim to represent other anons, anon
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>>919467
Why are you calling Robert Phelps anon?
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>>919470
>There is no anonymous.
cheeky fucking gook
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>>919467
But by posting on 4chan you are more likely than average to support genocide!
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>>919478
only of the anglos
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>>918540
Does the German Chancellor have term limits or is her 11 year rule just gonna keep on rolling till she dies?
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>>918532
Afghanistan was conquered several times by several empires, just not the memiest Western memers. Enough of this faggotry.

>>918525
The Russians got rekt by Napoleon's army. The withdrawal had more to do with environment and poor faith. Rusfags trying to take credit for the wrath of god, so to speak.
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>>919602
Only the president has a term limit in Germany
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>>919613
All part of the plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX8qhZlsMKo
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>>918729
Sounds like they are destroying Germany rather than Europe then.
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>>918894
turn around is getting quicker
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>>920092
Europe will grow divided as Germany falls. Political puppets from Russia will take hold of parliaments and then you will have Europeans pointing their missiles at each other again.
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>>919026
What about the Open borders policy you fucking faggot
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>>918540
If anything, European Liberals inviting Muslims into Europe in order to increase their voter base has more to do with Vortigern and his invitation to the Saxons.
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>>918676
I haven't read through all what the others say, but the Germans will always destroy the current stability of Europe.
They destroyed a general state of peace reaching back to Napoleon with world war 1.
They destroyed the east European status as non-communist and gave the red army an hero status.
And now they are destroying the EU by trying to use it to boss around with everyone else, namely when it comes to immigration, causing the people that normally wouldn't care to go Anti EU.
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Too bad the casualties in the russian side was the biggest ones in human history, you are not good militars slavs, deal with it. Burning farms and running away using people as shield is a dick move
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>>919301

>/int/

t. /lit

/int/ is full of western Euros. Only Americans and Eastern Europeans who occupy /pol/ hate western europe.
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>>918872

EINHORN IS PUTIN

PUTIN IS EINHORN
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>>918525
The American Republic vis a vis the Roman Republic
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>>918525
Napoleon was a great man.
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>>918681
>>918696
>>918714
Even if everyone in Syria moved to Europe tomorrow, they'd be one percent of the population.
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>>918996
>Guest workers count now.
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>>918525
Europe right now is doing what Rome did (and one oft he reasons for its downfall, IIRC)
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>>918525

All of Chinese history.
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>>922368
not really
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>>919174
I'd gladly kill you.
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>>922368
But there's a clear difference in power between the Germanic tribes and the current "refugees". The Germanic tribes were Christian and wished to take part in Roman culture. Rome simply couldn't manage hundreds of thousands of fleeing Germanics and the Hunnic butchers.
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>>922325
>22.85 million (2013)
Germany has 80 million people and the majority of migrants aren't even Syrian
why would you lie so baldly nigga
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>>922802
He said Europe
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>>922813
well he's a spastic then isn't he, if they just wanted to go to Europe they'd stop in Greece or Hungary or anywhere in the Balkans
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>>922325
Three things:

This just sets a bad precedent. Future civil wars and humanitarian disasters will also lead to millions seeking refuge in Europe. These disasters are already brewing in Afghanistan, India, Algeria, Egypt, Mali, Nigeria and South Africa. People saying 1 million immigrants per year are exaggerating a bit, but half that many for the next two decades are entirely within the realm of possibility. The sinking prices of commodities and oil prices has sent many economies in the development world into recession. Combined with climate change, water crisis and/or El NiƱo causing several droughts across the world, you have humanitarian crisis everywhere right now. Some of these are bound to explode into violence.

The refugees won't be distributed evenly among European countries. They will go almost exclusively for the well-off parts of rich European countries. Fear of terrorism and crime will also cause a flight of people towards other regions without immigrants, so the demographic change in these cities is going to be very noticeable in just a decade. These cities were equipped with the best infrastructure in the world and won't be easily replaced. Business centers moving away from them is going to hit European economies and guarantee that many of the immigrants turn to crime.

Immigrants don't need to become a majority in Europe to give rise to Right Wing fascists in politics, which will lead to a radicalization of Left Wing movements. This will make Europe extremely unstable and polarized, with its own population turning against each other and parliaments that will be too occupied attempting to block the other side to actually focus on important things.
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>>922825
>migrant route to Germoney
>doesn't pass through Italy
I FUCKING WISH.
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>>922325
A 1% population increase overnight is a fucking logistic nightmare anon, and the fact you act like shit's nothing shows how clueless you are.
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>>923142
This.
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>>918965
>comparing Eastern Prussian culture with sandnigger culture
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>>922325
>the Syrians will do nothing but work, won't ever procreate
nice logic retardo.
any other piece of knowledge to gift us?
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>>918540
>pic related

>>918681
Dont worry, Poland and Hungary arnt having any of it
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>>922325
>Even if everyone in Syria moved to Europe tomorrow, they'd be one percent of the population.
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>>919003
why are you /pol/tards so fucking aggressive, it's not like I'm offended by swearing but you're needlessly barbaric. You start insulting as soon as the discussion gets going.
Only marginally better than mudslimes desu.
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>>922778
your edge will kill you before you'd kill him, be careful please.
you people are fucked up in the head. seriously. you claim muslims are barbaric(and they are) but then post shit like this. bravo.
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>>919174
Would you go out in the streets and protest if Christians built a church in Saudi Arabia? Why is the answer yes?
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>>919301
Go to another muslim country maybe? Turkey? Albania? Kosovo? Nah but we'll go where the welfare is, won't we?
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>>918525
Napoleon didn't wipe out a race, and fought mostly defensive wars.
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>>924279
Why would he you fucking faggot retard? Are you really this fucking idiotic or are you trying to b8?
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>>924228
>swearing on the internet is the same as raping and looting
based retard
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>>918965
Yeah sure, why not? If I have to be an "angst-ridden, xenophobic and racist asshole" to like my country and culture, so be it.
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>>924281
And technically, the French and the British declared war on Germany first.
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>>924395
we all know if you could rape and loot over the internet you would, stormfurry
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>>924447
nice rebuttal
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>>918837
>comparing ethnic Germans that mostly already share a language and culture with the natives with middle eastern people who act, look and think differently
>expecting them to integrate just as easily

Are you retarded?
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>>924395
you'd kill mudslimes and loot them irl, don't lie anon.
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>>924468
There's a difference between I would and I am
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>>918974
I want to fuck those mittens
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>>918974

Were there any measures taken in case I wanted to take a piss? Or is that 15 minutes of my life gone while I remove everything, doing the deed and putting everything back on?
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>>919002
>implying Charles Martel was anything but left-wing hero attempting to protect a group of indigenous people from foreign exploitation
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