Lets get some armor and weapon discussions in here
>>884839
HNNNNNG
>>884848
That reminds me, does anyone have that photo of a bronze age burial where there was a golden cock sheath ?
>>884848
2 replies and somehow I knew there'd be a codpiece. Mhn! So...alarmingly dignified...
>>884844
/k/ is not great with older stuff
/tg/ is (actually there is a good thread right now) but generally you can get a bit more diversity here.
>>884854
got you covered pham
>>884844
you're killing me /humanities/fag, you're breaking my heart
Put weapon on armor
>>886005
i'd rather just post body armor
Wew
>>886017
Wow how is the guy on the right even alive?
>>886053
because he probably wasn't wearing it when it got shot
>>886053
badassery
>>886071
>wear armour
>doesn't protect your legs
>>886028
POLAND
>>886073
now that's a good question
why most modern armor assume people will only get shot in the chest and maybe head? or perhaps it's a mobility issue
>>886087
Because that's where you aim.
>>886094
>everyone has perfect aim and never accidentally shoots the leg
>>886101
That's exactly why you aim for the torso, because it's the biggest and easiest target. It's hard to hit someone's leg, moreso if they're runninng or ducking and leg wounds are also not life-threatening while the chest and stomach is packed with vital organs.
>>884839
alright lads, let's get this shit started: left or right?
>>886118
>leg wounds are also not life-threatening
Yes they absolutely are life threatening a lot of the time. Many major blood vessels there, also being incapacitated could get you fucked if you're getting shot at
>>886135
Is this even a question? Right.
More fucking protection.
>>886137
Getting shot in the leg is still preferable to getting shot in the chest or head.
>>886144
yeah i know it's preferably but I still don't see why leg armour is completely ignored nowadays, especially given the role explosives play in combat
>>886137
>Many major blood vessels there
the biggest neurovascular bundle is the femoral one, on your inner thigh. the others aren't as big as to cause deadly hemorrhage, they're "safer"
>>886148
>especially given the role explosives play in combat
there isn't much armors can do about anti personnel mines exploding at your feet if that's your idea
>>886137
Major blood vessels can be crimped/plugged to slow down bleeding.
You have a HUGE chance of death with a gut shot/BTFO heart.
Ergo torso/chest cavity > extremities in terms of armor priorities.
>>886148
>Implying leg armor could stop an old Russian artillery shell from blowing that bitch off
>>886156
not necessarily mines exploding at your feet, more so ball bearings or other whatever from a bomb say 20 metres away flying into your legs and shredding them
>>886168
At that range it will still shred your leg
Body armor is not all that it's cracked out to be
>>885994
Mah boy was hung
>>886187
I'd love some forearm protection tho. I love having my arteries uncut.
>>886135
I definitely prefer Roman everything to Japanese everything, but only an idiot would say left.
The Japanese armor is hundreds of years more advanced and made with higher quality materials, and has proven to hold up extremely well (even when compared to full heavy plate) under testing.
>>886195
You can always use that overlapping metal handguard. Damnit I can't remember it's name.
>>886087
protects most vital organs
I need help with this helmet
I only know that its from the roman era nothing more
>>886073
Funnily enough, they did have leg armour, they just weren't using it at the time.
AK-74 vs M4. Which is the better rifle?
Thank you based ancient Lego weapons
>>886202
They were pretty shit to be honest senpai.
>>888186
M16-A1 for aesthetics
Simple machines were time tested to work.
>>888222
I love the wood furniture of the AK series. And I could never get past the ugly carrying handle of the M16.
>>888296
Saddam Hussien wants his weapons back, graverobber
![Persian[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/caQrNfB.jpg "Persian[1].jpg")
>>887313
That's a Khula Khud helmet, it's not Roman but Persian. They were made up until the late 19th century.
>>884848
What was the purpose of this? Serious question.
>>886135
Get this weak ass shit outta here.
>>888687
>>888376
The tumescence must be contained.
>>886053
It's WWI, grimdark to the max.
He's wearing armor scavenged off a corpse.
>>888376
gives you room for your war boner
>>886135
Usually western arms and armor are superior but Lorica Segmentata was not very good arrmor, so Ill say right. Plus right looks cooler
>>886053
Because he wasn't wearing it when it was damaged. Those are all US soldiers modelling French armor after it was tested against pistols, rifles, and machine guns.
So what armor in history didn't make sense/had major flaws ?
>>886135
right, far better protection, especially with the arms and hips exposed like that
>>889120
Most armors that were not at least practical were discarded pretty quickly.
>>889120
I never understood why the greeks didn't make their armor longer to cover their nuts
>>889389
that's simple, they were gay
also, this helmet is undeniably their best work
>>886087
wounds to the limbs can easily to made stable with a tourniquet.
>>885994
>>889504
SOMEONE CORRECT ME IF I AM MISTAKEN, BUT PHRYGIAN HELMETS SEEM LIKE THEY WOULD BE RELATIVELY UNSTABLE.
COULD ONE RUN WITHOUT THE HELMET TOPPLING?
IS THERE ANY UTILITY FOR THAT PARTICULAR SHAPE?
>>889532
FIRST TRY CALMING DOWN SENPAI
no utility to the shape, just styled after thracian hats, but i have one and can confirm that they are very stable when running as long as it fits correctly on your head
>>889537
>but i have one
>>888204
Care to explain how? Sengoku era armor was equivalent to Brigandine and they had chainmail to cover areas the plates didn't. It wouldn't hold up to contemporary European plate (or even plate from 150 years before) but it was far from shit.
>>889532
It shouldn't be too unbalanced loudman
Helmets are usually not THAT heavy
>>889559
>implying there is something wrong with that
>>886071
That stopped rife bullets?
Fuck
>>889889
Probably pistol rounds. Thats gonna have a hard time taking a rifle round.
Tosei-Gusoku is infinitely cool desu senpai.
>>889532
Blows coming from above would probably glance off I'd imagine in stead of cracking your crown to fuck.
>>888687
Is it possible to seat wearing this type of armor?
The Kingsmill Island Armor
The cuirass is made of coconut fiber
The gauntlets are wicker coated with shark teeth
The helmet is a hollowed out pufferfish
>>890457
What's that board on his back for?
>>886087
Because 90% of the time you'll be crouching behind cover or lying down when carrying out dismounted close-quarters combat so your legs aren't really exposed. Considering the kit you carry can sometimes weigh more than you anyway, you won't hear soldiers asking for more stuff to carry.
>>885994
> dat golden dick armor
>>885994
this is a reconstruction. There is only one photo of the burial in situ, which I kindly post here. As you can see the so called phallus was found next to his right femur.
>>890457
What's the deal with the crest on the shoulders? I've seen similar designs on Siberian armour but I can't see how it'd help any.
>>886135
Right. If it was hamata instead of segmentata I would pick left.
>>889504
This was the best helmet
>>890898
The Siberian one was based off old Steppe Nomad Armor.
The backpiece was a sheet of lamellar that...protected your whole upper back (your cuirass reached only to you lower back). Since mounted archery had shitloads of turns in which your back will be facing the enemy, it also acts as a shield for your upper body.
>>886202
>The Japanese armor is hundreds of years more advanced and made with higher quality materials
I'm not too certain about that.
Both the Japanese and the Romans used bloomery iron to make their arms and armour.
I'd agree that the Japanese armour is more protective overall, but it's not so much an issue of the material itself but more about the composition.
>>884839
I have a question about full helms.
Why were they so rare in the ancient world? Aside from Greece no one else really bothered until medieval times, why is that?
>>891545
>Why were they so rare in the ancient world? Aside from Greece no one else really bothered until medieval times, why is that?
Same reason rugby players have much lower head injury rates than American football players.
>>891384
Thats like a proto burgonet holy shit thats dank.
>>891563
They had rules set up to protect player safety and stickler refs that enforce those rules?
>>891545
Greek full helms were the purview of richer citizens.
Most Greek Hoplites opted for the dang simpler/cheaper designs like the pylos (see right dude)
>>891603
That doesn't really answer my question...
>>891545
Greeks were basically the first heavy infantry. Most warriors before had been light infantry or cavalry.
>>891421
Darn, I love how lamellar armor looks
>No idea if pic related was even really used
>>891645
Not quite. Again its the richfags who had the full ensemble. While for most citizenry you can into hoplite at the very basic level by having
A helmet
The Shield (Important)
Spear
And a greave on the leg on the side where you hold your shield.
>>891421
But how does it help the puffer fish people?
>>891678
There was never just one leg with a greave it was always two. There is no depiction of this on any art, literary sources, and everything I've seen in our museums have had both greaves.
Around the 700s is when the archaic hoplite came into use. You see they were required to have a heavier wooden shield and a longer 8 foot spear.. If they had a full panopoly then they would have had cuirass, helmet and greaves. That is the basis for the heavy infantry dude.
>>891713
>Art.
Always love to idealize peeps.
But anyway: that one greave thing did occur among infantrymen during the Medieval Ages. Cunts with better armor.
>>891733
Well its pretty much the best basis to go off of, though yes not the most accurate. It might have gone on in the Medieval Ages, nothing shows that for hoplites though. Although yes mostly the wealthy had the full coverage.
>>891603
He's not asking who among the greeks had it but why the greeks were the only ones to have them
>>889389
To distract the enemy. While they are staring your balls, shank them with your spear.
>>888376
Showing off
>>889120
Animal armour usually for nobles pets
>>889389
They walked to their battles and so on
So they needed mobility and lightness
Also phalanx shields were massive and then you have greaves over the lower legs
>>890447
Yes there's no armour inside thighs and the outer overlaps - think roundheads
>>890595
Intimidation
>>891586
Grass pitches instead of plastic shit on concrete
>>891741
Phalanx meant you didn't need to give as much of a shit about peripheral vision
>>890457
neat
>>892107
even if they were longer you could still run and it didn't make it that much heavier. It would just make sense to cover that area.
>>892182
It's bronze so heavy
And a marching army that carries its own armour and weapons is going to be slow - 10 miles a day would be good especially with all that mountainous terrain
Add to that it takes strength and effort away from the pushing that is the heart of the phalanx
You might as well ask why the Romans didn't bother with that shit either and just had dangly leather bits
When you get smaller shields you start getting mail shirts that reach that far - usually in conjunction with the rise of cavalry
>>892245
bruh this stuff aint bronze? The armor was leather or quilted linen. If they could put scales on it then the extra weight from material wouldn't be too much for them. It just doesn't make sense
DID SOMEONE SAID GLAMOROUS HELMETS?
Why samurais didn't use shields? Spear and shield is always an effective attack and guard.
THERE IS SO MUCH SHIT I'D LIKE TO SHARE
KINGS HELM WITH GLASSES
THATS A FUNNY JOKE LITTLE SKULLCAP, MAYBE A DAY YOU CAN BE A GLORIOUS FULL HELM LIKE MYSELF
>>893237
a spear, are you some kind of filthy ashigaru desu? a true warrior must use only grorious katana folded 1,000,000,000,000,000 times or else bring great shame upon famry and commit sedoku
>>893246
ayy lmao
if we are talking about helmets...
BEAR THE LION
>>893251
Then why ashigaru didn't use shield together with spear?
>>893236
>>893239
>>893242
>>893246
>>893254
>>893256
These helmets aint got nothing on the greek smurf helmet
>>893254
THAT AIN'T GONNA STOP A NIGGA SHOVING YOUR FACE WITH A HAMMER, IF YOU WANT PROTECTION YOU GON NEED THE FULL THING
>>893264
You can't see shit with that.
>>893239
Got any full samurai sets?
>>893263
lmfao at the boeotian/phrygian monstrosity, but in a certain way it also looks bad ass
>>893279
I'M FROM /HR/, EVERYTHING EXCEEDS THE 4MB LIMIT, LIFE IS HARD NIGGA.
WHAT IS THIS THING NAME? I HAVE SEEN THIS AT AN OLD GAME CALLED BATTLE FOR TROY BUT NEVER AGAIN ANYWHERE
>>893308
Archaic greek corithian helmet
GONNA TAKE A SHIT, THEM I WILL BE BACK WITH MORE WEEABOOOOO THINGS LIKE >>893279 ASKED FOR
>>893311
NIG, THAT SEARCH GOT ME THIS, AND I LIKE IT. GOT LOTS OF STYLE POINTS SPENT ON, IT'S LIKE, DOUBLE SNAKE AND FLUFFY RED THINGS
>>893264
Grand bascinets were actually abandoned in favour of lighter and more mobile helmet variants like the Sallet or the Armet, they remained primarily in use for field tournaments.
>>893360
germans say otherwise up to 17th century before full armor was out of field.
>>893360
NOT EVEN MY FACED BRO HERE BELIVES YOU SAID THAT.
>>893390
>germans say otherwise
I have no idea what you mean by that.
Fact is that the Grand Bascinet was abandoned in the first half of the 15th century as a common battlefield helmet in favour of Sallets and Armets as well as variants such as the Barbute.
Grand bascinets were quite heavy and immobile helmets, it shouldn't come as a surprise that many preferred something lighter, especially if they were to be fighting as infantry where you need to look around all the time.
LETS GET BACK TO THE WEEB SHIT
>>893401
>>893405
>>893401
all of those 17th century french and german cavalry helmets
>>893411
all of those dragons and cuirassiers being called a lie.
>>893411
>>893412
Are you out of your mind? These are not Grand Bascinets. They're quite obviously Close Helmet variants.
>>893418
They aren't light, much less mobile. They are just better fit and don't have unnecessary weight, and that, my friend, isn't "choosing a lighter variant", thats just learning how to make things better but they still as enclosed and restricting as great bascinets.
>>893439
>They aren't light, much less mobile.
You're unironically trying to tell me that the helmet in >>893418 or the helmet variants you've posted are less mobile than >>893406 or even >>893264? Take a look at these things and compare them to what you see in this picture.
The close helmet (which only became widespread in the first half of the 16th century) is a far more advanced type of helmet since it is essentially a combination of various armour parts that can all be individually moved. You can actually look around in these helmets and freely move your head, which when wearing a grand bascinet is not easily possible since the only movable part is the visor.
The development went from the static, immobile grand bascinet to more mobile helmet variants such as the Sallet or the Armet, which had yet to be reinforced by additional armour parts, such as bevors, gorgets, etc. - which have all been combined into one part of armour in the close helmet. The type of helmet you see in >>893418.
>>889389
uhhh, because they had full body shields dude. plus dat phalanx doe
>>888376
Mounting horses
>>893264
Were you even able to turn your head?
>>890457
>Do you even splash?
>>893402
>Horns form a character that may be that guy's name, clan, or some kind of word like strength, honor or killer
I find it kinda funny for a reason
>>890595
For head, neck, or spinal injuries in deep water situations, as per Red Cross removal requirements.
I'M BACK SUCCKERS
>>889389
>dat medallion
Is he Chris-chan's ancient reincarnation?
>>888376
Armor followed fashion.
>>896039
>oh fugg, i hab to protegt the benis :DDD
>>895997
Its supposed to be a gorgon like medusa. Does that mean Chris-Chan is a gorgon?
>>896060
>Does that mean Chris-Chan is a gorgon?
not that anon but would that surprise you?
Napoleon-era Cuirassier armor, stylish as fuck.
>>892172
Stone armor was an offing to the souls of slain soldiers armor for living chinese soldiers in the period was bronze or leather.
Why is it always a katana that most people go for as a sword decoration?
>>896060
THE "GORGON" WAS BOTH, THE BEING THAT WAS DEPICTED, AND THE FIGURE ITSELF, NOT THE PERSON WEARING THE FIGURE, MORON.
>>896958
The dude was talking about the gorgon figure as being Chris-chan you Faggot
>>897473
No he wasn't. It would make sense.
The guy clearly confused the figure, the monster, and the person wearing the figure.
>>897492
>It would make sense.
*wouldn't
>>892157
That would make sense if medieval full helms were conceived and used in the same environment, which they weren't.
>>896949
Don't know. it isn't a great weapon unless someone is wearing armor made of paper.
everyone saying it would cut through steel if you just had the right stance. all bullshit
>>898083
That's not a very good way to judge a sword... no sword can cut through metal armour, so they're all crap by that metric.
I'm no katana lover btw... I think they're an inferior weapon design albeit with interesting metallurgy and craftsmanship.
>>898139
>interesting metallurgy and craftsmanship
Can you briefly explain?
Its not that I haven't heard it before, I just can't remember it well.
>>898083
Swords don't cut through armor, you always target gaps in the armor, or pierce it if its weak enough.
>>898187
well... it's a big subject...
You can look up differential heat treatment and kasumi/san mai construction for starters.
Iron ores were rare and often of low quality on the island of Japan, so they had to use all kinds of fancy bladesmithing techniques to compensate. Versus Europe where high quality steel was abundant.
>>896949
Blame 19th Century Orientalists, weeabs, and the 80's.
Led to a huge market for Weeabswords.
So big that most of them are made in China nowadays since Nips can't be assed to mass produce a revered cultural item while the Chinks don't care due to the fact that it's not their sword + they're going to get the disposable income of clammy white weeabs.
>>894364
probably a little, imagine one of those old diving helmets you can move your head around in.
Katana is a meme weapon. But all the other swords are, too. Katana is just beautiful among them. Simple and Zen.
Not exactly armour
>>890172
>armor made of wood and tinfoil
>>899970
Japanese armor doesn't use wood. They are iron lamella sewn with colorful silk ropes.
>>886028
Those winged hasars are sick in civ
>>899304
Sorry, i had to!
>>890595
Gay people chess
>>895248
it says æ„›,which means love. No idea why it would be on a guy's helmet though, it sounds pretty gay.
>>902039
I think this one is funny as fuck
>>902280
Becuse all samurai are gay:^)
>>886135
>low budget looking segmentata
>vs a proper reconstruction of jap armour
Come on m8 really?
>>897926
Maybe the thin metal erodes away so we have lost them all
i like how gritty this look
>>903801
>Hue hue hue hue
I sometimes forget how capable and creative people were back in the day.
>>890595
Probably stops sneak arrows from behind. It's a jungle after all.
The coyote priest says it stops bullets and enemy spells.
>>903865
I giggled slightly
How do you even kill full plated knights?
How were the casualty rates for them?
How about line infantry later on?
>>903775
gee, I wonder who could be behind this helmet.
>>904030
LOL
>>896949
They're a decorative sword, practically ceremonial
Oooooo- I don't know how this pic slipped out... You like boys?
>>904022
Even if the blade isn't going to enter their flesh a bladed weapon still has a big hunk of metal on it. If you donk them on the head with it it's going to make them a bit dizzy at the least.
Get your mates to tackle them and slide a blade into a chink in their armor.
Use a mace
>>904141
Haven't you mates ever heard of armored combat? Even if you have ful plate armor someone could still stab you in your joints. There are plenty of places to stab an armored foe, the only problem is knowing how to get to them.
>>904141
sauce???????
>>903775
What's that pointy beak for?
>>904816
Ever wanted to give someone a peck?
>>904816
aerodynamic - makes charging enemies that much easier!
but seriously, it's designed to deflect arrows, stabs and other incoming blows away from the face.
>>904816
Deflect wepons arrows etc
>>904141
sauce plz
>>886135
>left: hundred or so AD
>right: over a thousand years AD
That's a little unfair baka senpai desu
>>904022
Combat between fully armoured knights was more like wrestling or grappling than anything. You would use the longsword like a giant crowbar with half-swording techniques. Once you have them pinned on the ground, that's when you pull out your rondel (which can punch through mail) and seek out weak points or gaps in his armour like armpits and eye slits to stab him to death.
That or simply use the pollaxe... which is basically a pure anti-plate weapon for knightly combat on foot.
e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdVYW9r2G3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6KkQStwUqY
>>884839
>all those holes
Wouldn't it cave if you punched it hard enougn?
>>907312
it would cave in with a mace blow so why sacrifice visibility
>>891673
no it wasnt
>>895753
>not even real
>>904022
>How do you even kill full plated knights?
I would rather capture them for some gold from my liege.
This one is cool.
>>891545
>>897926
Yes, full helmets would have been experimented with in the early days of iron working and discarded when it was realized that the added protection came at the expense of sensory deprivation. It was more useful for soldiers to be able to hear their commander's orders and see their comrades in their peripheral vision than it was to protect those areas.
Full helmets only came after smiths developed more sophisticated metal working techniques which allowed them to develop more protective helmets with moving parts that weren't such a sacrifice to the wearer's senses.
>>886135
right. better protection and looks better to boot
>>908209
Oh nice ! I didn't know those belts existed
>>903798
The Champagnard doesn't look happy
HNNNNNNGH
>>908431
These belt where the primary laoding mechanism for reloading crossbows and it gave a fast reload speed, i alos included a better picture
>>908436
Maybe he got his fapp hand cut open;)
B E S T ~~~ H E L M
>>905115
>really getting tired of your shite my lord
>>907633
Feel you on that
>>903796
What was a royal Knight? Were they like his personal bodyguard?
>>909388
*the kings bodyguard
>>903798
Is number 3 carrying multiple crossbows?
>>909388
Well from what i have read i understand it like this, a royal knight is by some standard conected to the king, ex the queens brother would be a royal knight thrue the conection of his sister marriage and the queens brothers children would be royal knight becuse of their brother sister who is conectet to the king
>>909419
Yes he has 3 crossbows, and i would guess that he carries them as either reseve if 1 of them was damaged or more likely he carry some of his mates, becuse they may be wounded or is doing somthing else
>>908493
>neck articulation
>ribbing
>crest
>absolute minimal exposure
It really was.
>>903789
>KAWABUNGA DUDES!
>>909563
>you would just capture them and sell them back to their kingdom for greater dosh.
>mfw crecy, Agincourt
>>909667
they aren't called perfidious albion for nothing
>>903789
>>891384
That is ungodly levels of sexy
>>912316
>>912317
>>908493
Finally someone posts a helmet with some proper fluting!
