Why was the GDR able to create a western standard of living while the other eastern bloc countries, and even the soviet union, failed horribly?
>"German"
>"Democratic"
>"Republic"
>>879272
USSR's showpony.
"GUYS, IT'S TOTALLY NOT BAD IN THE WARSAW PACT. PLEASE DON'T LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN"
>>879272
>Why was the GDR able to create a western standard of living while the other eastern bloc countries, and even the soviet union, failed horribly?
It didnt.
>>879278
Not like the Federal Germany right? If there was a showpony Germany that was the West one
>>879305
Did anyone claim otherwise? The question was: why was the GDR able to create blablabla. No one asked about the BRD, nor was it brought up in regards the the GDR
>>879272
My father lived in the GDR for over a year in the 60s. It wasn`t comparable to the west whatsoever.
>>879272
all the eastern bloc was in ruins after ww2, and they were poor countries to beging with. no matter if they are capitalist or communist they would still be poor because they never had the chance to get free resources from distant colonies.
east germany lost almost all of the industry, but it still had brilliant scientists, engineers, doctors, etc.
>>879272
The rest of the the Soviet bloc was poor and underdeveloped before they joined, Eastern Germany was absolutely rekt during WWII but rebuilding damage infrastructure is easier than placing it in the first place.
If it was so good why was there such brain drain?
>>879305
Was it a showpony because it wasn't a complete fucking shithole?
>>879272
>Why was the GDR able to create a western standard of living while the other eastern bloc countries
Czechoslovakia
Hungary
The richest territories in the entirety of the Soviet Union + eastern bloc were the Baltics and Moscow.
>>879272
Protestant work ethic
>>879272
>Why was the GDR able to create a western standard of living
>>879429
Because it's pretty much half a country with the oder half having the highest living standard in europe at the time.
LOL. The best communist country with regards to living quality was Hungary and even that was way way under Western standards.
And unsuprisingly Hungary was the one with most captialistic elements built into its economy.
>>880038
magyar cigany
>>879272
>ussr didnt achive a good standard of living
memes
What about Yugoslavia? Didn't it have a pretty high standard of living? (I know, not a Warsaw Pact country, that's not the point)
>>880038
Think you mean Czechoslovakia.
Also given that all these societies reproduced value in the expanded form through wage labour, they were all capitalist.
>>880125
Didn't both the east and the west throw money at them?
>>879272
First, it was more developed than eastern Europea, but it was still shitty compared to Western Europe.
Second, it was already more developed than eastern Europe prior to the communist occupation.
>>880134
Supplied Loans. Not threw money.
Try watching Sweet Movie then WR: Mystery of the Organism
>>880157
They were all behind pre-war Germany, except maybe the Baltics.
>>879272
>Why was the GDR able to create a western standard of living
You serious nigger?
>>879272
Germans gonna German.
Though in all seriousness its far easier to bounce back from war with an already educated populace rather than people who were practically serfs with guns.
>eats banana
>>879272
>Eastern Europe / Russia-sphere basically totally undeveloped before WWII, and they take the brunt of destruction during the war
>America isn't just 100% unscathed, it's actually better off and now has total control of the world economy
>Americans pump West Europe, especially Germany, full of cash and institute total cold war and sabotage against the USSR
>Dumb dumbs on an Eskimo Butterfly Collector's Message Board wonder why the East wasn't as rich as the West
>>880258
delet this
>>880262
>Soviet Nomenklatura misallocate to heavy industry and war production from 1927
>Exacerbate this in 1945
>Stymie Nagy and Khrushchev when they attempt to switch to qualitative motivations
>Dumb dumbs who euphemism a Japanese pedophile image board blame the Western capitalist powers instead of the soviet nomenklatura capitalists.
>>880265
>EATS ANOTHER BANANA, CONSPICUOUSLY, ON BRD TELEVISION
>>879297
this
part of a germancuck's taxes still go to the modernization of east germany
>>880269
>>880277
I'm so tired of eating Bananas, there are just too many of them.
>>880289
>t. United Fruit Company - CIA Division
>>880267
>Soviet Nomenklatura
Who?
>misallocate to heavy industry and war production
>1927
I'm thinking they didn't 'misallocate' heavy industry (war communism ended in 1921ish) since they needed it desperately, as history proved
>>880289
I-I'll give you a slightly used Trabant and a Puhdys album for a couple.
>>880309
>I'm thinking they didn't 'misallocate' heavy industry (war communism ended in 1921ish) since they needed it desperately, as history proved
Had the production of tankettes and developmental tanks been allocated to tractors, MTS would have succeeded at least in the proletarianised fruit and cotton industries, leading to a IIB department consumer goods boom and even higher voluntary quality and quantity production by the Soviet proletariat.
Further, between 1945 and 1989 the mis-allocation to heavy industrial production caused 3 recession crises, delegitimised Soviet rule repeatedly in their peripheral fraternal states, caused 2 revolutions for communism against nomenklatura rule (Hungary, Czechoslovakia) and forced productivity into a "go slow" work resentment spiral.
There was excess potential growth through correct allocation.
And as we know the entire soviet tank stock was replaced in 1941-42.
>>880309
>Who?
Read Fitzpatrick. The named-list people. The combination of senior party members, plant bureaucracy, foreign specialists and security apparatus.
>>880310
I'll take some projected slide East German pornography and the freedom East German women had from domestic violence and rape thanks.
>>880468
>the freedom East German women had from domestic violence and rape thanks.
proofs
>>880173
Well loads of countries were behind pre-war Germany, in all the cardinal directions from Germany, and the diversification in E.E. alone was pretty high - compare someone like the Czechs w. Ukraine.
>>880918
Divorce rates and sole occupancy female DDR.
>>879272
What? The GDR was a fucking shithole beyond shitholes, I work with quite a few people who lived in the USSR (in their 50s, 60s) and even they said the GDR was a totalitarian north korea style shithole (perceived Stasi infiltration everywhere) compared to the rest of the Eastern Bloc.
Reminder that one out of five GDR citizens was a Stasi informant.
>>879272
It did better than some of the others because it was built on top of Germany.
It was still nowhere near a western standard of living. One look at a Trabant could tell you that.
>In the early 1990s it was possible to buy a Trabant for as little as a few Deutsche Marks, and many were given away
>>879500
This. Following the revolutions in both countries, some measures had to be taken. Too bad Hungary still pays for the standard that standard even today (don't know about the Czechs and the Slovaks).
For one thing, Eastern Europe under the Warsaw Pact didn't and still doesn't have the GDP of more Western nations. In East Germany, this is mostly because of A. Intense fighting during the last years of WW2.
B. Soviets dismantling and moving East German industry into Russia to rebuild themselves, including workers.
C. The flight of German intellectuals to West Germany.
D. America focused on economically rebuilding Europe, while the Soviets rebuilt themselves (sort of a rehashed point)
E. The general lack of development within the economic leader (the USSR) meant less non-domestic capital for investing.
There's probably a dozen other reasons.
Speaking of it. I'm looking for a book about stasi (that don't remind me every page how evil it was). Any ideas ?
>>880262
>>Eastern Europe / Russia-sphere basically totally undeveloped before WWII
good meme
>why are Germans so good at making things and working?
Thats like asking a Russian why hes a masochist
>>879272
Because 20% of GDR citizens were involved in Stasi in one way or another, the highest of any country. Due to their general enthusiasm towards the direction set up by the spirit of history and the glorious teachings of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin they were able to build proper socialist society in the spirit of Marxism-Leninism unlike the bourgeois-worshipping slavs.
>>879272
that symbolism in the coat of arms makes me think freemasonry
>>879305
Federal Germany wasn't a show pony. It's not like the Marshal plan was to demonstrate how flashy and nice capitalism was, it was to create a Western European economic bulwark to prevent communist expansion just like Japan was in the East.
>>881573
Why Germany? Just location?
If not for their empires I'd say that the UK and France would be much better candidates for a European economic power. (Because they could be trusted not to start WW3 by invading France AGAIN.)
>>881603
The Marshal plan was not just focused on Germany, every country in western Europe benefited from it. Germany simply had the intellectual capital to bounce back quicker than some other countries.
>>881608
One has to wonder if being bombed to rubble helped the Germans in the long term.
Much easier to build a new road than improve one that has existed in one orm or another for longer than a unified Germany.
Some of these aren't bad.
>>882934
It's a brigt sunny morning. Erich Honecker comes out of his house and says
>Hello my little sun
The sun smiles back
>Hello Erich
and Erich goes happy about his plans. Later in the day, the sun is setting and Erich again says
>Hello my little sun
The sun smiles and says
>Fuck you, I'm in the west now.
>>881613
This whole countries reduced to rubbles thing is are only secondary rate problem to losing citizens in war. In most European countries much of damage was repaired by the end of 1945(!), factories were running and the chains and cogs of economies were fixed . Because the human capital, labour and intellectual base stayed essentially the same and even aided by large numbers of demobilised ex-troops.
>Nationale Volksarmee
>We're totally not Nazi, guys.
I bet you could trigger some leftists with that name.
>>879272
Then why did East Germany require so much money to be pumped into it and had a such shitty economy compared to the west when reunification happened?
>>883304
That's one of the main differences between the east and the west.
Eastern Germany thought, that with socialism the fascist ideology was overcome, so a "healthy" nationalism was not bad. In Western Germany any kind of nationalism was deemed bad as it was all seen in the direct ancestory of the fascist regime.
>>883319
What difference is there between national socialism and socialism for the nations in the Warschauer Pakt?
>>883325
One of them had a pretense of internationalism.
>>881086
Reminder that 5 out of 5 amerilards are spied by their own government.
>>879272
Couse is a cultural problem.
