If America is the modern day Rome then does that make Britain the modern day Greece?
>Greatest empire in the world until it became partitioned
>Iconic infantry (redcoats and hoplites)
>Unified several smaller nations and states
>Ahead of the rest of the world in art, literature and science
>America (Rome) was directly influenced by Britain's (Greece's) culture
>Some of the greatest writers, poets and scientists in history
>Laid the foundations for modern Western civilisation
I also guess Russia would be Persia, the old rival in the east.
We are all the modern day Rome. Rome won.
>>873433
I couldn't really think of anything else. Tbh Persia was conquered countless times whereas Russia has been impenetrable.
Trying to think of who Egypt would be.
>>873457
Mexico.
Not really. French culture was more dominant when the British Empire was at its height. This really reads more like American ignorance than anything else. The redcoats of the British are as iconic as the Prussian blue coats or the French white coats, i.e. nearly same exact uniform but a different color. It's only iconic to us because we fought the redcoats.
No that's not really a fair comparison. The US is a former colony of Britain so it's just the continuation of Anglo dominance.
>>873431
WE
>>873641
IS
>>873643
ROMANZ
>>873621
>Anglo dominance
Maybe in the early times of the U.S but just like the Roman Republic, it shifted away from it's roots and became it's own thing during the immigration wave.
>>873423
>America is the modern day Rome
What?
>>873863
degenerate, filled with faggots and an economy relying on shit their military brings in... seems legit bruh
>>873468
Eh, I don't see that. It seems like Egypt should be some entity more powerful. Like Brazil?
>>873423
>Implying that America is Rome
>>873423
>unironically being this reductionist
>>873863
>>875106
There are so many parallels you could write a 50 page essay on everything that's pretty much exactly the same, right down to the war economy, culture, and politics.
Also, the whole idea of the United States rising in the shadow of Europe is almost an exact parallel to Rome rising in the shadow of Hellenic cultures. The military comparisons are obvious, but really it's the type of person. There is nobody closer to the entitlement of a roman citizen than an American citizen. It's the same person in a different time, the champions of civilization that are just sort of an 8/10 civilization and all the 9/10 civilizations talk shit but they can't produce enough 9/10 guys to match the legions of 8/10 guys the romans got. Americans win their wars through industrial domination, infrastructure, and technological superiority. They never have the best stuff, but it's good enough to be mass produced and completely overshadow the competition's ability. The romans were the exact same way, and the tendency of presidents to abuse their power is just like the tendency of consuls to abuse theirs.
>>873423
>America
>modern day Rome
Only Americans believe this.
>>873423
Amerikkka is the modern day Assyria.
>>873457
Russia got wrecked multiple times hard by the Mongols, and even if not totally countered it again got its shit kicked in by Napoleon until he tried to invade it.
>>873423
>Ahead of the rest of the world in art, literature and science
>Britain
Choose one OP.
>>875365
Yes, there's a much better modern candidate for Assyria right in the Middle East.
If not I guess it could be Russia or China or something.
Mexico confirmed for modern day Ottoman Empire.
Don't forget the eagle and the downfall of the roman empire by inner problems.
>>875190
>Never have the best tech.
When are you from, 1850? See: metallurgy in heavy rail.
>>875357
>Russia got wrecked multiple times hard by the Mongols
>iknownothingabouthistory: the post
Kievan Rus != Russia
>>875791
Kievan Rus was the medieval incarnation of Russia though.
>>873873
-he shit posts on his American designed computer
>>873423
You could say Europe-Minus-Russia as a whole is Greece.
I'M ANGRY, ANGRY ABOUT SHITTY, POINTLESS ANALOGUES
Seriously, what is up with 4chans In general, and /his/s in particular, retarded habit of going "hurr, this thing from hundreds or thousands of years ago is just like this contemporary thing", based of some superficial similarly which usually doesn't even mean anything. Every instance today doesn't need to have an exact analogous match somewhere in history, in fact, I'd argue that such a thing could never exist. Is this really the only way you can meaningfully conceptualize a past event? By forcing it into an ill fitting mold based on the present? If that's the case then I feel sorry for you.
>>873423
we wuz colonies n shiet
If Rome is America, Greece is France.
Britain has been mostly irrelevant, I guess it would be like pre-Roman Latins or Etruscans or some shit.
>>876292
Its a politically/nationalist driven board of teenagers posting things they just found out about on wikipedia, are trolling, or want to let everyone know how the experts are wrong because it goes against their personal world view. This is not a serious history discussion board and it never will be, it will always be mostly filled with crap.
>>876341
nigga what?
If anything Britain would be Athens, France Sparta.
>>873423
Yea in a way, though Americans will never admit it and most Britons will never admit it, though I do.
But Rome more rather copied Greek culture while America was born from Britain.
>>873431
No, we are the modern day barbarians that sacked it. It took a few hundred years to absorb Romes life force, but eventually we got charlemagne.
>>876384
Nah, France is pretty much all Greece. French was the lingua franca and dominant culture for centuries just like Greek until it was replaced with Latin, America is built on French Enlightenment ideals, France has Napoleon (the modern Alexander)...
>>876441
> French dominant culture
Apart from in the Indian subcontinent, Australasia and North America where dominant culture is Anglo
Apart from South/Central America where dominant culture is Spanish
Apart from Africa where dominant culture is Anglo, Central European and French
Apart from Asia where the dominant culture was Chinese.
> France has Napoleon
Napoleon achieved literally nothing, he tried to take in a variety of powerful empires and lost, twice. Comparing him with Alexander is pretty ridiculous.
> French lingua franca
yep
>America built on French Enlightenment ideas
Probably, yeah
>>876418
So we are Rome.
>>873423
And we're being fucked by Muslims!
>>875361
Not like Britain has a modern equipped military, with modern technology to be used by civilians whenever. And the world wide web certainly wasn't created by a Brit.
>>875833
What if he's using a Korean phone?
>>876454
We're talking about Western civilisation here, the fact that a couple of Africans spoke English is irrelevant.
>Napoleon achieved literally nothing
Except, you know, how he literally founded the modern world. Napoleon is the entire reason the whole world is divided into nation-states built on constitutions, civil law, and claiming democratic ideals of liberty and equality (not to mention all kinds of trivial shit like the metric system or driving on the right which nonetheless show how incredibly influential he was). He probably achieved more than Alexander whose empire collapsed even faster.
>>875190
t. john smith
>>876341
Oh yeah, Britain has been very irrelevant. Lets see its minor and pathetic accomplishments shall we?
>Unmatched navy for 150 or so years
>2nd Largest Empire ever
>Spread the English language across the world
>Defeated the Qing in the Opium Wars
>Colonised America, basically leading to the USA, which right now maintains English language dominance. This one's debatable however, as the Patriots and the French were more instrumental in forming the USA.
>Helped stop France from falling to Germany in the First World War, and the blockade of Germany was key in their eventual defeat.
Never have the Anglo-Saxon SCUM achieved ANYTHING EVER!
>>876501
No need to get your knickers in a twist Nigel, Britain did lots of cool things, it's just nearly as relevant to the history and development of Western civilisation as France, that's all.
>>876498
This.
Europe freaked the fuck out about Napoleon for a reason.
>>876498
That's primarily due to the Illustration and the Revolution.
>>876521
The Illustration?
But Napoleon is the one who spread the Revolution and other French ideals across Europe (much like how Alexander spread Greek culture across the Middle East).
>>875365
Assyria was famous for being able to take land but not hold it . Just like the Americans in Iraq/Vietnam.
>What is Abu Graib
>What is Baghram.
>>876341
>Britain has been mostly irrelevant
Low tier bait
Can't believe Anglos still take it
>>876527
L'Illustration. You know Diderot, Rousseau, Voltaire etc...
Napoleon was defeated and every single country returned to being an Absolute Monarchy, except Spain for a brief period, until revolutions happened starting with the one of 1830.
The ideals of the french illustrated authors were echoed all over Europe long before and after Napoleon and strenghtened by the Revolution, it's not that Napoleon's French Armies brought some totally new ideas to the countries invaded. Every country had its own set of illustrated authors and politicians and its own path towards implementing those goals. In fact, french occupation was in most places, especially Germany, easier precisely because the local illustrated elites saw them as the quick way to implement those ideals and get rid of the ancien regime. Then nationalism happened and factored in strongly in the defeat of France in Germany, but even so Nationalism would eventually turn liberal, in consonance with the values of L'Illustration and the French Revolution.
>>876586
You mean Enlightenment?
There's a difference between a couple of amused aristocrats discussing French ideas in salons, and a French army marching in, sweeping away all the old feudal structures, and making those ideas a reality for everyone. Everything in the political history of Europe since then, be it in Germany, Italy, Spain, the Netherlands, Poland, Sweden, or Croatia, goes back to the French Revolution and Napoleon.
>>876688
Theory often precedes practice.
The ideals of the French Revolution didn't just magically happened on the spot. The whole thing was an experiment discussing, developing and putting into practice a moderate or radical or girondin or jacobin or etc ideological political version model ultimately stemming from the ideas of what you call 'salloon aristocrats'.
It's very much like the Russian revolutionary proccess of 1917.
>>876730
So? Doesn't change the fact that it's Napoleon who spread that beyond France across Europe (and indirectly the world).
>>873423
America is definitely modern day Rome, but Britain doesn't come close to ancient Greece in terms of creativity and philosophy.
Instead, I think Greece just spread into Europe in general, in small pieces... No one is really like Greece today. We're all closer to Romans.
>>876743
Doesn't change the fact that the were salloon aristocrats discussing the same liberal models about reforrming in a more or less revolutionary way the ancien regime long before Napoleon was a thing.
Doesn't change the fact that after Napoleon all Europe turned back to being Ancien Regime and the Sainte Aliance won.
But wheras Napoleon was militarily defeated the ideological seeds of the ideas of the 'salloon aristocrats' and the Revolution weren't, and eventually defeated the Ancien Regime from the inside in each one of the European countries, not by Napoleonic Armies but by their own people.
>>876759
The upheavals of the 19th century weren't caused by a couple of decadent aristocratic dilettantes, they were caused by the people who had gotten a taste of what was possible, because for a few years of French rule they had civil rights and liberties, equality, nationalism, freedom from the power of feudal lords or clergy. All the myths that were keeping the old order up were broken forever. A people who have known these things could never be enslaved again as they were before. Not because of words scribbled by some Frenchman that 99% of Europeans couldn't read, but because Napoleon made them a reality.
>>876804
Except that, you dumb fat, those ideals weren't exclusively a french thing sustained exclusively by french philosophers, that got introduced into a variety of european countries by the military administration of Napoleon.
>oh wow, what are these ideals you talking about Pierre? Never ever heard of them
>no, we never had our own version of your french liberal philosophers, tbqh
>it's all breaking news to us!
>If Napoleon had never invaded us we would have never known of these secrets and we would have never into dump le ancien regime
>tbqh, lad
And just like the power transference going from Greeks to Romans and back to Greeks again, geopolitical relevance will one day return to Britania.
>>876501
>Spread the English language across the world
America, m8
>Defeated the Qing in the Opium Wars
We buttfucked Chinks as well
>Helped stop France from falling to Germany in the First World War, and the blockade of Germany was key in their eventual defeat.
OKAY, thanks !
>>876384
I'm okay with this desu
Canadians are the germanics, give us loot mother fuckers.
>>877517
No they are the vandels.
>>877547
I guess, germanics just kind went all over the place.
I say vandals because they conquered the south. Where as the other tribes just stole loot and fucked off into the woods.
>>873457
Egypt should be the one with the ideology from whom the British revised on
>>877262
>massively smaller population
>less resources
>implying Britain will be the "Byzantines" to America's "Rome"
>>876933
But they were you stupid shit.
anglo=carthage
>>873431
Maybe Rome was the friends we made along the way
for a thread that is discussing analogies between the Classical world and the western world, I'm surprised no one talked about Spengler yet
>>873423
>implying Ancient Greeks were cucks just because they were advanced in literature and art
>implying the creation of faggots like Oliver Twist and Harry Potter puts you ahead of the rest of the world in literature
>>873423
no america is modern day Byzantium down to the complex shitshow of politics.
>>880561
>the British Empire was modern day (western) roman empire
>>877262
And the new greater Brits will call themselves American, just like how the Greeks called themselves Roman.
