Napoleon wins Waterloo
Whats the world like in 2016?
>>855547
Napoops will just be defeated in the next battle.
>>855547
Pretty much the same, except the history books of the napoleonic wars give a bit longer than the 'hundred days" as they have to record the huge buildups of Napoleon's neighbors after which they crush him at whatever battle it turns out to be.
After Leipzig, it just wasn't the same.
>>855554
fine, you pedantic fuck
Napoleon never goes into Russia
Whats the world like in 2016?
>>855547
We speak ze sneaky French, non?
>>855547
He'd still lose.
The other members of the coalition will just dogpile into weakened France.
Instead of the perfidious and uncultured Anglos, the French influence would dominate the world.
France would be the absolute cultural, economic, demographic and military hegemon of Europe. French language, arts, fashion and customs would be much prevalent.
Also, no WW1 or WW2 since Germany would be just another satellite of France.
Maybe Spain would have retained their colonies, and the Dutch would have certainly kept South Africa. However, it's unlikely the British would have lost their control of North America and India.
Also, Napoleon's dynasty would still rule Europe to this day.
>>855720
I am totally OK with this outcome.
>>855741
Really who wouldn't be? World War one and two not happening is like, the best possible outcome. Think of the sheer amount of culture the Napoleonic world would foster outside of the killing fields.
>>856068
>implying tensions between France, Russia, and the Ottomans wouldn't eventually spark a great war
>>855568
Napoleon's forced to either give up some of his ridiculously big Empire or suffer the same fate he did in real life.
MAYBE Europe decides to finally leave France alone, but that's a big if.
France is probably a lot more powerful over the next century.
>>855547
Overall better world
>>856084
>a conflict centered in the east
ok
Most of the people on this board are assholes who look down their noses at shit like this like in the first response. Not technically a bad answer but i assume you want to speculate what it would be like if Napoleon and France were never defeated in the Napoleonic Wars.
Answer is pretty obvious, Britain would have never been able to launch an offensive against the US in the war of 1812 and America would likely have gained quite a bit of Canadian territory.
Globally the influence of Britain would never reach the heights it did and instead rather than Britain and Germany shaping future the world, it would be France and Spain. With Spain and France's notable dislike of democracy the world would obviously be very different and there are several key movements in history that would be extremely delayed due to Monarchy refusing to give way under French global hegemony.
The areas of the world that suck that were colonized would be even worse, particularly in Africa and Asia, and the prosperous ones would be even more prosperous, with America probably rising to be Frances chief ally and eventually surpass France as the dominant superpower just as they did in real life with the British.
So, pretty different, but also not really.
>>856084
>great war
>crumbling Ottoman empire faces growing Russian power
>crumbling Ottoman empire also faces France at an unprecedented height of power with an army and generals that continually push the boundaries of just how badly their enemies can be beaten after having crushed the sixth coaliton
>great war
It would be a fucking walkover hardly on the scale of the world wars
>>855720
Stay mad Frenchie,
love, the perfidious and uncultured Anglo
>>856129
Interesting answer, but why would Spain shape the future world alongside France? Spain had long been in decline before the Napoleonic Wars, or are we talking if Napoleon had managed to keep his relatives on the Spanish throne despite the enormous resistance from the populace?
>>856380
yeah basically.
Spain was Frances ally at a few different points in the napoleonic wars and if Napoleon defeated the sixth coalition every nation in Europe save France and Spain would be crippled militarily, and so it is only logical to assume Spain, ruled by Napoleons relatives, would rise to fill the void.
>>856706
Being on the winning side didn't stop Russian or Austro-Hungary from eventually becoming backwards shitholes, I doubt it would have stopped Spain either. At the time of Waterloo Spain was already far too in the hole to climb out a serious world power. It had already economically collapsed and had lost the ability to use colonies to climb itself out.
>>855547
The war of the 7th coalition was unwinnable. The only way Napoleon could have recovered after Russia was if Lutzen or Bautzen were crushing victories like Austerlitz or Jena-Auerstedt. As soon as the Austrians entered the war it was GG
Nappy need to a few years to recover after the invasion of Russia, which means forcing Prussia and Russia out of the war so that the hesitant Austrians don't join. That would lead the UK isolated and Napoleon could deal with them in Spain and hopefully gain himself a few years of peace
>>855563
>After Leipzig, it just wasn't the same.
I agree. OP if you want to play the counterfactual game, Leipzig is a much better starting point. Or the Russian campaign.
If it were to be at Waterloo if would take even more victories + Talleyrand pulling some ridiculous diplomatic coups out of his ass back in Vienna.
Either way I imagine British influence would be more constrained. America would take territory they couldn't defend in North America, and a super powerful France means they can't afford to be disengaged from the continent like they largely were in our timeline in the 19th century after the Napoleonic Wars. Though I think they would have taken India and fucked China all the same; they were already top dog in India and China was already bent over and ready to be fucked.
I really wonder what nationalism in this timeline would look like though. I mean, in real life the French Empire really impressed upon the German people the power of a united people and gave rise to German nationalism. What happens when united Germany is ready-made by the French, albeit in a client state fashion?
>>855547
If the French were able to take moscow they could have won the Second world war
>>857233
>>856706
Spain begin the Napoleonic Wars as ally to France, after Napoleonic invasion of their homecountry they turned agaisnt Napoleon.
>>856084
>Forgetting that Nap's absolutely raped the Ottomans until the Brits started helping.
>>855547
The world would be German because France would still have surrendered to them.
>>857796
And then Germany would have surrendered three years later.
And they would blame the yet-not-unified Italian Peninsula for that.
>>857796
You forgot that krauts always surrender rougly 4 years after they start a war
>>858190
Unless that war is exclusively against the French, in which case the French surrender within one year, after losing every battle and with the German artillery about to level Paris.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War
>>858211
>a high level of discourse is expected
manlets in blue would be more popular. the average male height would fall to 5ft 5
>>858281
t. Wellington
Assuming Nappy doesn't invade Russia. Most likely war with Russians would come at some point during the 19th century, possibly over the weakening Ottoman Empire (both the French and Russians had high interest in regions of the Ottomans)
French would probably dominate African colonialism, Trade Wars between French and the British. Most likely French Empire would get fucked by rising European nationalism at some point.
>>858211
>probably not even German
>probably some "German-American"
>>858211
>in which case the French surrender within one year
When they don't take Berlin in 19 days that is...
>>855547
4chan is in French and we discuss cheese
>Is there an alternative timeline where the french aren't cucked by anglos?
Unlikely OP.
>>861071
Is there any time-line where the Saxons aren't cucked into becoming French-light?
>>855547
He had already lost the war before Waterloo, try a little earlier. If he had never invaded Russia we would probably have a an extremely differing timeline.
>>855720
>Implying you can outsmart the Eternal Anglo
Could he have won the Russian campaign by stopping in Smolensk for the winter ?
>>861098
No, they surpassed the French in every aspect.
