I've been reading up a bit on Critical Theory and the Frankfurt School, and I'm getting a very "/pol/ was right" feeling from what I'm reading, at least as far as cultural marxism being intentionally pushed (not so much the worldwide kike conspiracy theories).
Is there any historical validity to the right's accusations about cultural marxism, and is it a threat to traditional western rationalism?
inb4 butthurt Marxists and Euros
What must be questioned is not the value of this or that economic system, but the value of the economy itself. Thus, despite the fact that the antithesis between capitalism and Marxism dominates the background of recent times, it must be regarded as a pseudo-antithesis. In free-market economies, as well as in Marxist societies, the myth of production and its corollaries (e.g., standardization, monopolies, cartels, technocracy) are subject to the "hegemony" of the economy, becoming the primary factor on which the material conditions of existence are based. Both systems regard as "backward" or as "underdeveloped" those civilizations that do not amount to "civilizations based on labor and production"—namely, those civilizations that, luckily for themselves, have not yet been caught up in the feverish industrial exploitation of every natural resource, the social and productive enslavement of all human possibilities, and the exaltation of technical and industrial standards; in other words, those civilizations that still enjoy a certain space and a relative freedom. Thus, the true antithesis is not between capitalism and Marxism, but between a system in which the economy rules supreme (no matter in what form) and a system in which the economy is subordinated to extra-economic factors, within a wider and more complete order, such as to bestow a deep meaning upon human life and foster the development of its highest possibilities. This is the premise for a true restorative reaction, beyond "Left" and "Right," beyond capitalism's abuses and Marxist subversion
>>848799
Holy shit I have Evola's nose
>>848799
Nice monocle.
>at least as far as cultural marxism being intentionally pushed
Whenever someone says "I wish /pol/ would read Gramsci instead of complaining about cultural Marxism, they might learn something," they're admitting that this is what's happening.
Pic related.
>>848791
What is culturally Marxist today at all? Are /pol/tards really think that they are going to convince anyone that the complete hegemony and market freedom we have today is marxist and not neo-liberalism?
Are american retards thinking that college girls with pronouns and who suck dicks at parties is Marxist culture?
What the fuck is that continent smoking???
>>848826
They are pointing at you to read Gramsci so that you can learn that Cultural Marxism was a way to promote proletarian culture as opposed to bourgeois morality and institutions and not a fantastical crypto-jewish conspiracy, you mongoloid.
>>848840
What if that's what the initial claim is? Fox News popularized the notion, and Fox News isn't a network that promotes the idea of a Jewish conspiracy.
>>848791
>The intellectuals of the GOYIM will puff themselves up with their knowledges and without any logical verification of them will put into effect all the information available from science, which our AGENTUR specialists have cunningly pieced together for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.
PROTOCOL No. 2, Destructive Education
>3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism (Evolution), Marxism (Communism), Nietzsche-ism (Socialism). To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.
>4. It is indispensable for us to take account of the thoughts, characters, tendencies of the nations in order to avoid making slips in the political and in the direction of administrative affairs. The triumph of our system of which the component parts of the machinery may be variously disposed according to the temperament of the peoples met on our way, will fail of success if the practical application of it be not based upon a summing up of the lessons of the past in the light of the present.
>>848863
>Whether or not the controversial Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are false or authentic does not affect the symptomatic value of the document in question, that is, the fact, that many of the things that have occurred in modern times, having taken place after their publication, effectively agree with the plans assumed in that document, perhaps more than a superficial observer might believe.
- Julius Evola
>>848827
b-but Wikipedia said it's a conspiracy!
>>848828
>Are american retards thinking that college girls with pronouns and who suck dicks at parties is Marxist culture?
It's the replacement thereof.
There's a new covenant, the proletarians and the white males (i.e. the inventors the left) are not invited.
>>848840
> a way to promote proletarian culture as opposed to bourgeois morality and institutions
Why would anyone want to do that?
>Anonymous03/17/16(Thu)18:25:40No.
848791
>been reading up a bit on Critical Theory and the Frankfurt School
> as far as cultural marxism being intentionally pushed
But that doesn't make sense. Reading about the frankfurt school wouldn't give you informations about people pushing things today...
What are you talking about ? What is it that you read and how did you get to your conclusions from there ?
And what do you mean by cultural marxism ?
Because /pol/ puts liberal moralism under that label, which does have a certain momentum, but the frankfurt school is not directly related to it and would actually serve to criticize a lot of its aspect... And marxism all the more.
Besides that, that school had and still has some influence, and most of its members and disciple would indeed wish to see their ideas spread, but that influence is quite restricted. Nothing that would affect society and governmental policies.
cultural marxism is just another name for the illuminati
>>848828
Feminist theory, post-colonialist theory, and to some extent constructivism are all products and modern manifestations of the cultural marxism theory
>>848912
Because the bourgeois don't have the proletariat's best interest at heart.
What the fuck does """"""""""cultural marxism"""""""" even mean? I never encountered that term even once at university during my 4 years there (ending 2009), and I did BA Politics
Is it a fringe right wing American neo-nazi term?
>>849040
You know how marxism refers to the struggle of an oppressed social class? Well cultural marxism simply refers to the struggle of an oppressed cultural class (however this is extended to include different social groups, races, and religious groups)
>>849040
fringe right-wing, not necessarily neo-nazi
but often yes
>>848914
>Nothing that would affect society and governmental policies.
This is one of the most disingenuous comments people can make in this kind of thread.
>Yeah influential people believe this stuff but they aren't influential so it's not important
>>849040
It's a culture-war buzzword.
>>849040
From RationalWiki:
Cultural Marxism refers to two things:
1. First, extremely rarely, "Cultural Marxism" refers to the application of Marxist ideology and/or critical theory to social sciences.
2. Second, much more commonly, "Cultural Marxism" is used as a snarl word by reactionaries to red-bait anyone with progressive tendencies. The term alludes to a conspiracy theory in which sinister left-wingers in media, academia, and science are engaged in a decades-long plot to undermine Western culture. Perhaps with some "Sexual Bolshevism" thrown in for good measure.
>>848804
give it back!
>>848791
>and I'm getting a very "/pol/ was right" feeling from what I'm reading, at least as far as cultural marxism being intentionally pushed
Yeah, it's really sinister that anyone would push the ideas they agree with.
>>849100
Those are 2 absolutely retarded definitions.
>>849100
>Citing rational wiki
>>849112
fitting because rationalwiki is a retarded leftist circlejerk.
>>849055
> You know how marxism refers to the struggle of an oppressed social class?
But... It does not...
>>849027
But Proletariat culture is terrible. Have you ever spent any time with them?
>>849040
So what exactly is cultural Marxism and how is it that so many ostensibly capitalist societies haven fallen victim to it? The narrative varies depending on the political leaning of the individual disseminating it, but its standard rendition is as follows: a sect of European intellectuals, disillusioned by the failure of orthodox Marxist parties to mobilize the proletariat into conflict with the bourgeoisie, came to the conclusion that the original Marxist formulation was incorrect. Western workers simply possessed too conservative a disposition for communism’s egalitarian rhetoric to appeal to them. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels’s dialectical theory of capitalism’s internal contradictions generating a qualitatively higher mode of production—communism—was flawed. There were ideological obstacles preventing the economic synthesis from being realized. The solution to Marxism’s theoretical errors these thinkers arrived at was to replace class as the locus of struggle with culture.[1] In other words, the traditional Marxist Klassenkampf was to be entirely replaced by a neo-Marxist Kulturkampf.[2] These men, many of whom were psychoanalysts of Jewish descent (a fact of particular interest to fascists), came to be known as the ‘Frankfurt school’ due to their affiliation with the Institute for Social Research at Goethe University, located in Frankfurt, Germany. The subversive ideas this faction of assorted academicians and literati conjured up had a profound effect on Western intellectuals and eventually infected the minds of North America’s and Europe’s cultural elite via university indoctrination, the story goes on, thereby leading to the liberal social movements and various projects of social engineering observed today, e.g., feminism, LGBTQ rights, multiculturalism, and political correctness.
https://commonruin.wordpress.com/2014/02/02/on-the-myth-of-cultural-marxism/
>>849066
No u. Read again your quote. It doesn't say it's not important, it says ?
As a comparison, there's a lot of actual marxists and people influenced by marx and marxism in the US, and they defend and spread their ideas as much as they can... that doesn't mean that they have a significant influence on US society and its government.
Well, there's much less people influenced by Adorno and the rest.
>>849120
>What is the struggle of the proletariat against the capitalists
>>849100
>RationalWiki
Might as well cite Buzzfeed.
>>849160
One of the things marxism talks about, not marxism.
>>849196
>One of the things
More like the central tenet
>>849235
Not even. The central tenets are theories about exploitation and the developments of class struggle... The actual struggle happens in reality (or not) and not in books.
>>849254
bruh
>>848799
What does a modern Evola-ist look like? Is he a hermit? an occultist?
>>849408
He is a shitposter on 4chan. Everything else can be deduced from there.
>>849408
He's a shitposter.
>>849408
He's just a guy, walking around and being a fucking normie, for all intents and purposes.
Read Eumeswil, by Ernst Junger. Great depiction of what "riding the tiger" actually looks like.
>>848961
What's amusing here is that the (academic) proponents of those theories treat it only as a theory, a tool to be used to shed light on an issue.
Their critics are the ones treating them as dogma. Case in point: this thread.
>>849440
This is one of the problems that I have with feminism being an entire faculty of study by itself: It's a theoretical perspective. That's it. Having an entire faculty dedicated to the study of a theoretical perspective is completely ridiculous.
It'd be the same as having a 'Faculty of positivist studies'.
>>849469
Are you sure you're not mistaking feminist theory with gender studies?
Or do American colleges really have a faculty of feminism? In which case, lol.
>>849040
>>849440
Well then maybe the real issue is that every proposition these proponents put forward is automatically considered legitimate or true.
When's the last time a feminist asked "Does this problem involve patriarchy?" and the answer wasn't "Yes, absolutely"
>>849499
>Cultural marxism is a meme referring to Cultural materialism
>Cultural materialism is a meme referring to constructivism
>posting a meme to explain memes
Cultural marxism =/= constructivism. However, cultural marxists will often use a constructivist approach for their arguments
>>849499
That's one fucking dank Stirner
>>849525
Are we talking about feminism (as viewed by the general public, i.e. gender equality), feminism (as viewed by /pol/, i.e. feminazism) or feminist theory here?
>>849499
Whst does it even mean that all behavior is genetic? Like how you're raised doesn't matter at all somehow.
>>849040
It's a straw man that people just can't fucking give up on. I don't even understand why people are using the term. No one is using it in academics circle, I've *never* came across it anywhere who wasn't some unknown right-wing blogger.
If it's Marxism but with cultural ideas instead of raw materialism then it's Hegelianism. If it's the Frankfurt school it's the Frankfurt school and there's no reason to call it "Cultural Marxism". In both cases there's no reason to use the term cultural Marxism.
>>848791
Cultural Marxism is just a scare word for right wingers to label anything they don't like.
It reflects no cohesive or organized ideology or movement in any shape or form.
Many right wingers seem to suffer from undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenia, so they view conspiracies and dubious left wing plots all over the place.
>>849629
to be fair, "reactionary" seems to fit pretty much the same niche in left-wing circles.
>>849642
This is correct, but I think a better example would be left-wings talking about "neo-liberal economics". I've personally never came across the phrase but I've heard from economists that this isn't a real thing yet the left throws it around to explain some sort of neo-classical capitalist libertarians whatever the fuck they mean.
>>849587
>If it's Marxism but with cultural ideas instead of raw materialism then it's Hegelianism
This is what Marxists actually believe
>>849100
>From RationalWiki
No thanks.
>>849552
I'm talking about the feminism that masquerades as university gender studies
>>849766
please elaborate.
Gender studies, as in the study of how gender is performed, viewed, constructed and criticized is a perfectly legitimate field of study, seeing as gender is just as natural a fact of social life as economy, ethnicity, language or law.
>>849803
>Gender studies, as in the study of how gender is performed, viewed, constructed and criticized is a perfectly legitimate field of study
Nobody's saying it shouldn't exist, it's an abomination in its actual form, though, and all of the social sciences should be rebuilt from the ground up.
>>849766
>>849803
There really seems to be some confusion in terminology here.
Feminist theory =/= feminism =/= gender studies.
Feminist theory is a an approach to texts in which you seek to find out if a notion of patriarchy manifests itself in a given text and then how this element is either reinforced or criticized.
Feminism, whether you like it or not, is generally viewed as the idea that both genders should have equal rights.
Gender studies was explained above.
>>849813
>all of the social sciences should be rebuilt from the ground up.
and how oh great wizard?
>>849837
I dunno, we can start by discrediting all the people who think that acknowledging the existence of useful and real social structures means that you hate the poor and non-whites. Then we can eliminate the entire field of study and replace it with a beefed-up discipline of history. But really, I don't have to provide a plan, this is 4chan.
>>849834
There seems to be some confusion. Nobody fucking cares anymore. It's all one big political agenda being pushed by the far Left.
>>849813
I can't speak for other universities than my own, but the one I attend applies just as strict definitions of what is acceptable methodology to gender studies as it does to any other element of the humanities or social sciences.
I am pretty sure that the sort of obnoxious tumblerinas you use as your boogeyman had little success in that field.
>>848827
According to this Critical Theory helped destroy the cancer called Positivism.
It also tells us that Adorno was one of their leaders. Adorno was an anti-Egalitarian in the Nietzschean tradition.
>>849847
what a bunch of reductionistic nonsense. Let me guess, you vote Trump?
>>849847
hmmm I see.
You have no idea of what you are talkign about?
>Then we can eliminate the entire field of study and replace it with a beefed-up discipline of history.
What will happen to Criminology, African/Russian/Latin American studies, Sociology, philosophy, pedagogy, economics or linguistics?
Are you implying that history is the only real social science?
>>849856
That's weird, because I'm taking a sociology class right now and the professor is literally the embodiment of a right-wing conspiracy theorist's nightmare. I'm not inclined to believe you. Your own university is hardly representative of every university.
>>849874
I had a postcolonial teacher I felt the same way about. Disagreed with her on practically every debatable topic, but I can't deny that her reasoning and methodology are sound, and all things considered, she's probably a hell of a lot smarter than me, to be a tenured professor.
Perhaps your sociology professor is the same? Maybe you need to open your mind?
>>849883
because crime is a human activity?
> Why is Russian/African/Latin American studies a separate field
One reason is that an understanding of language requires an understanding of culture.
> every other activity
Have you attended every university in the world?
What do you guys think of this?
>John D. Caputo: “White” is of the utmost relevance to philosophy, and postmodern theory helps us to see why. I was once criticized for using the expression “true north.” It reflected my Nordo-centrism, my critic said, and my insensitivity to people who live in the Southern Hemisphere. Of course, no such thing had ever crossed my mind, but that points to the problem. We tend to say “we” and to assume who “we” are, which once simply meant “we white male Euro-Christians.”
>Postmodern theory tries to interrupt that expression at every stop, to put every word in scare quotes, to put our own presuppositions into question, to make us worry about the murderousness of “we,” and so to get in the habit of asking, “we, who?” I think that what modern philosophers call “pure” reason — the Cartesian ego cogito and Kant’s transcendental consciousness — is a white male Euro-Christian construction.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/02/looking-white-in-the-face/
>>849954
critiquing your own line of thinking is both commendable and necessary.
But obviously only in situations where it might have a tangible effect on the results you are getting. There's no reason to put quotation marks on your grocery list.
>>849921
I have an open mind, but the discipline seems misdirected from the beginning to me. It's all about social activism at the end of the day. I'm just not interested in listening to discourses about that shit.
>>849921
I for example learned a lot about the history about Southern Africa and learned about how the laws in pre-independant South Africa, Apartheid, how it developed and how it was enacted and functioned gave it a silly face to it all. The whites didn't do this out of malice they did it out of fear as in seen in various statements and laws which gave a human face to a very unjust system.
Lol it was just so fucking petty that it often inconvenienced the white minority just as much as it did the the people who it kept in chains because it was ideological but very few of the politicians were deep believers in it (such as the constant shifting of peoples to serve political and economic needs). Like one woman's wedding had staffing issues because most of the Coloured and Black staff could not go to the event to serve the attendants. So much "shooting in the air and forgetting that bullets fall down and thus you get hit" polices allover the place like the development and further growth of shantytowns and townships.
>>849988
that's your prerogative, but none of that detracts from either the professor or the field as a whole.
>>849954
Post-modernism ran it's course and realized that any attempt to define is going to have within it the seduction of certain concepts. There is no way to think or communicate in a way that does do this.
Baudrillard's Forget Foucault showed us precisely this. Attempting to discredit or analyze a social construct in itself creates new power relations, and new imperatives.
So saying someone thing is a white Europian construct doesn't bring us any closer to the 'reality'. Relativism and Perspective can be traced back to Nietzche who tells us there is no truth, only perspective. Psycho-analyzing perspectives is itself another perspective. Actions are chosen not for the relationship to some trascidient absolute 'truth' but based on the needs of the dominate Will to Power. So the very reason why anyone psycho-analyzes anything is itself an extension of their Will. When someone casts negativity on something for being Eurocentric and shows how it is indeed Eurocentric that's just them expressing their hostility.
>>850011
> When someone casts negativity on something for being Eurocentric and shows how it is indeed Eurocentric that's just them expressing their hostility.
I don't like the word "just" in that sentence. People may well be biased and have legitimate points at the same time. What matters is if their bias have affected their results.
>>849997
Sure. It's just that I've become very disillusioned with the field. I used to really believe it was a worthwhile field, but generally people who seem to favor sociological methodology get upset when I ask them to support their claims with arguments or evidence.
>>850067
If it's your professor that can't back up his claims with convincing arguments, then he has a serious problem.
If it's your fellow students, welcome to academia. It's a prestigious field, so it attracts people who have no business being there.
>>849110
>Except when it's an idea I disagree with. If the Nazis came, we would obviously have to stop them from publicly stating their opinions.
Free speech, free speech, except when I don't like it.
>>850481
Yeah, Fascists shouldn't be allowed to spout their filth.
Nazis can fuck off with "muh free speech".
>>848791
>frankfurter school
>FRANKFURTERS
>FRANKFURTERS EVERYONE
>EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS A FRANKFURTER
Frankfurt school was never that influential
>>850487
Critical Theory should be allowed, though. If it was thought by Jews, it must be true!
>>848791
Any good propaganda blends truth and falsity within itself, left or right.
Critical Theory follows the Kantian project of Enlightenment, actually. Except they're much more suspicious, as they brought Freudian and Nietzschean influences when criticizing culture. It's a dead theory essentially since the 60s, which is why basically everyone uses that theory however they want.
>>849723
But it is. Or more like, Hegel wrote like Hegel so we can't know for sure what he meant but we can assume he did.
>>848791
My history professor is an OBVIOUS socialist. He's making us read Marx and Engels for our next essay.
Before college, I used to think the /pol/ memes were just memes too. But now it's clear /pol/ was right again.
Here's a good video on Cultural Marxism for you, OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYu6qhd88_M
>>851723
"Marxist critiques of cultural superstructures which do not mention economic superstructures" are not "Hegelian critiques" in any meaningful capacity. They would have to be for your claim to be true.
>>851727
>My history professor is an OBVIOUS socialist. He's making us read Marx and Engels for our next essay.
Oooooh no you have to read two of the most influential philosophers in history for your history class! What a miscarriage of justice! Damn those insidious Marxists!
>>850011
>Attempting to discredit or analyze a social construct in itself creates new power relations, and new imperatives.
Which is precisely why Foucault did so. He even came up with the concept biopower and biopolitics.
>>851762
i.e. power is creative
in itself not good or bad
This thread is shit, can't you mongs just fuck off to /pol/ to discuss topics like this?
>Implying Cultural Marxism isn't some right-fringe conspiracy
>m-muh jews
>>851755
>If I type in a condescending tone of voice, it will make the fact that socialism is controversial a little bit less galling
>>851768
Hey Schlomo
I really don't know what cultural marxism is, but it sounds dumb and anti-american. Read about it from the wiki, and it seems to be a conspiracy theory that the Germans were trying to make the world a world of political correctness, and make it such as it is. That is dumb. People are allowed to be as politically incorrect as they want. Cultural Marxism is not real. This is proven by the advent of the meme of Moon man.
>>851771
I'm not even a socialist, but how the fuck is having to read important historical figures in a history class evidence of 'cultural marxism'?
>>851791
It isn't, but if your professor is a socialist, it's evidence of leftist power in academia. I don't see why you people don't understand this.
>>851796
So if your professor was an AnCap it would be evidence of right-wing power in academia?
>>851784
The only reason /pol/fags think 'cultural marxism' or any kind of radical leftism actually holds any real power in society beyond some irrelevant philosophers and a few college kids is because they never go outside and spend all of their time getting triggered by tumblr feminists.
>>851775
Yes, Klaus?
oh wait, you're not german, and I'm not jewish.
>>851801
Yes, of course.
>>851818
No, it wouldn't. It would be evidence that your professor is an AnCap, just like your professor being a Socialist is evidence that your professor is a socialist.
I won't lie that academia doesn't tend to lean left (it has for a very long time, I think), but there's no overreaching conspiracy to poison the youth with evil Marxism.
>>851727
>He's making us read Marx and Engels for our next essay.
Wow. Why is he making you read influential writers? That's weird. You know I think my philosophy teacher is a fascist since he is making us read Hegel and Nietzsche. And my history teacher is a monarchist warmonger since all we read about is Kings and World Wars!
>>851834
>overreaching conspiracy
Maybe you don't conceive of the ability to fail a student as a power, but that's a flaw in your worldview. I'm not talking about a conspiracy, I'm talking about individuals exercising power in a neutral structure. This really isn't a difficult concept to understand.
>>851762
And than Baudrillard BTFO him out and Foucalst literally had nothing to say for 10 years
>>851841
>You know I think my philosophy teacher is a fascist since he is making us read Hegel and Nietzsche.
Those are not fascist writers you dumb cuck. Does he make you read Hitler as well?
>>851854
And Marx and Engels weren't Cultural Marxists.
Way to miss the point.
Anyway, it would be perfectly expected for a history professor to have their students read Nazi writings while studying WWII.
>>851854
The Joke
-----
Your head
Marx isn't a Cultral Marxist, at least he isn't by the definition everyone is giving of the term...which really shows how stupid the concept is.
>>851873
>which really shows how stupid the concept is.
It's only stupid by the same logic that says that atheist Jews aren't Jews
>>851784
You're probably thinking about Cultural Bolshevism, which people often equate with "Cultural Marxism".
There is a similar notion of Cultural Marxism, which was used by Jameson, if I remember correctly. The problem is not the premise that these fear-mongering Right presented (i.e. the application of bla bla bla in the context of bla bla bla, etc.). It's the far-fetched conclusion which is problematic.
SUDDENLY HEGELIAN DIALECTICS = NWO
#ALEXJONES
>>848799
So, basically, everyone should live in teepees and stuff because it's better in a lot of ways.
>>851885
It's true however that the USSR infiltrated the Western academy, probably Frankfurt School too. Frankfurt School was so suspicious. They didn't go down to the streets during the 60s. Their criticism toward the USSR is so soft, particularly toward post-Stalin era. It's like both the Politburo and the Frankfurt School ganged up to denounce Stalin. Leftists would probably see this as an evidence of REVISIONISM! STALIN WAS RIGHT!!!1!
>>851932
>It's true however that the USSR infiltrated the Western academy, probably Frankfurt School too
Frankfurt was 1923. Are you telling me that Russian from the 60s went back in time or something? What possible fucking evidence for this?
>>848799
Reactionary is a synonym for mentally disturbed/challenged.
>>851755
Why don't they use Spengler and Rosenberg, then? They were important philosophers too. It only goes one way and you know it. Quit being disingenuous.
>>851768
It is the precedent for political correctness, and it was founded almost entirely by Jews. That's a fact. If you are saying it's not a conspiracy, well that's your business, but if sounds awfully suspicious to me.
>>851784
The Germans kicked them out for being subversive, then they came here. And no, you really aren't allowed to be as politically incorrect as you want. Maybe against Arabs this is true, because the Jews want you to hate them, but campus speech codes and hate speech laws are very real. Try saying Jews own all of the banks in college, see how far it gets you.
>>852027
I've yet to hear any good reason as to why The Jews are trying to subvert western civilization or destroy white people or whatever it is they're up to this week.
>>851866
>>851873
No, they are Communists, which is even worse. Funny how they forget the right-wing ideology, isn't it? Is left-wing Jewish bullshit acceptable to you? Shouldn't we let the children listen to all sides and come to their own viewpoints. If the kids want facism, well shit, we do live in a democracy after all, why not. Oh, that's right, we live in a Jew run oligarchy.
>>852027
Wow, you should leave /pol/ for a minute and get a grip on the real world dude.
>>852040
They don't need a 'good' reason. Whether or not the existence of evangelical Christianity is 'good' is debatable, the fact that evangelical Christianity has certain core beliefs that indicate that evangelical Christians will act in certain ways in certain contexts is much less debatable. Disproportionate Jewish representation in universities, disproportionate Jewish involvement in revolutions and Jewish anti-Christian sentiment are facts. Not to mention the fact that many Jews literally believe that they will have hundreds of non-Jewish slaves in a glorious future ruled by Jews. There don't have to be good reasons.
>>852057
>Don't ask for reasons it's because I say so
>disproportionate Jewish involvement in revolutions and Jewish anti-Christian sentiment are facts.
gee i wonder why jews might possibly have had a problem with pre-20th century European christian regimes that would lead them to participate in subversive activities i can't possibly think of anything
>>852040
>The Jews are trying to subvert western civilization or destroy white people or whatever it is they're up to this week.
That's a bit of a misleading statement. It is all divide and conquer. They hate all goyim: blacks and whites; Muslims and Christians; men and women. They foment all of these conflicts and reap the profits behind the scenes. Jewish academia is only meant to divide the country so they can rule more effectively. All of this individualism bullshit is Jewish.
>>852027
>That's a fact. If you are saying it's not a conspiracy, well that's your business, but if sounds awfully suspicious to me.
This is the same logic that feminists use to justify the patriarchy. They find things and say it was founded almost entirely by men.
Rather than just saying men are a bigger part of philosopher or that Jews were part of German Academia the Neo-Nazi and the radical feminist stick to their conspiracy theory about how the man/jew has been responsible for everything they personally dislike.
>The Germans kicked them out for being subversive, then they came here
It's true that certain Jews tried to fuck with German economics. But than again certain British tried to do the same thing. Maybe the Anglos and the Jews are working together. After all it's one big hive mind, if one Jew is thinking something it means another Jew in a different country is thinking the same thing.
Jews that fled Germany were invited over because of their bussiness and technical skills. One of them helped build a weapon that allowed the US to win ww2 and be a leader in science. You might have heard of him, his name was Albert Einstein.
>Try saying Jews own all of the banks in college, see how far it gets you
What happened got banned from your campus for screaming KIKE? And the reason Jews own banking is historical. Goyim insistied that their Christianity prevented them from doing the bussiness so they gave the Jews a complete monopoly for free. What a bunch of dummies. It's also why the Jews ended up dominating the entertainment bussiness, they were in charge of the stage performance industry before (which itself eventually evolved into movies) because there were concepts that doing that plays were not something a Christian should do. So again they basically got a monopoly uncontested.
>>852047
The one where we have Jewish porn, Jewish MTV videos depicting black gang violence, Jewish social media sites, Jewish debt and finance, Jewish media, and Jewish academia? Okay, all do that.
>>852078
>Jewish porn, Jewish MTV videos depicting black gang violence
And what the fuck is a 'Jewish social media site'? How does a social media site possibly push a Jewish agenda? It's just retards sharing their retarded pictures with each other.
Do you live in the 90s?
Are you living in the 90s?
>>852068
Do you really think Jews are this monolithic bloc that acts as a single entity?
Most Jews aren't even that religious.
>>852044
The Critical Theorists were not a unified group. Adorno was an anti-egalitarian in the Nietzchean sense and actually made a point once about how Jews are overly occupied with pipe-dream idealogy.
>Oh, that's right, we live in a Jew run oligarchy.
They seem to be doing good job running it. I guess they really are God's chosen people. The Torah said God would make them rule the world and here they are ontop. There's no point fighting it man, the creator of the universe is on their side. =D
>>852067
I think it's great how Neo-Nazis love to remind everyone that Martin Luther wanted to hang Jews from trees and the late Catholic church kicked their ass. Than they turn around and complain that Jews have a problem with Christianity. Make up your mind: either Christians never really harmed Jews and the Kikes have no reason to be upset or Christianity is the enemy of the Jews and so they are going to treat it like an enemy (which is to say, attempt to destroy it)
>>852078
Wow. They must be the Ubermench if they run everything! Goyim must be really stupid to let them get away with it all!
>>852067
Now it's "white" people. Face it, they just hate goyim. They will always find some way to attack us. They made the category "white" person in the first place, solely to attack us. There are no white people. Europeans have done nothing but kill Europeans for all of our history. There is no white solidarity, never was, never will be. You can't say that about the Jews. The KKK and Neo-Nazi bullshit is more co-opted Jewish garbage. White versus black is a bullshit Jewish paradigm that is meant to keep your eyes directed away from the Jewish hand.
>>852111
>'n-no, a parasite can kill you, b-but that doesn't make it superior'.
t./pol/
Same way I guess white people taking over the world doesn't make them any more than a parasite. Oh wait, that's proof of how awesome Europeans are.
>>852115
I didn't even mention white people in that post.
When did Jews invent the category of 'white people'? And which Jews?
>>852127
>everyone is jews
How many Jews do you think there are on this board?
>>852128
Well are you Jewish or not?
>>852111
Fair observation. It doesn't hurt that most Jews know the score, though, while most goyim do not.
>>852098
Through hierarchy, yes. Look at organizations throughout their history like the Sanhedrin, ADL, Kahal, AJC, AIPAC, Kehillah, etc. It runs the way any other organization does: the people at the top call the shots. If some small time Jew doesn't like it, he can leave. The Jews involved in international finance, education, politics, entertainment, media, etc., are ABSOLUTELY conspiring.
>>852137
No. But I'm pretty sure that isn't going to convince any of you.
>>852138
>Look at organizations throughout their history like the Sanhedrin, ADL, Kahal, AJC, AIPAC, Kehillah
Well no shit Jewish organizations are run by Jews. But the majority of Jews are not members of any of these groups, and therefore don't take orders from them.
>The Jews involved in international finance, education, politics, entertainment, media, etc., are ABSOLUTELY conspiring.
Do you have any evidence for this supposed conspiracy?
>>852138
If Jews are so powerful, why hasn't a revolution spurred out yet? There are plenty of red pilled people and if western civilization is going collapse soon according to /pol/, then that should be justification. After all, it no matter how influential the threat is, it hasn't stopped people in the past to fight against their masters.
>It's another "I'm a victim of modernity" thread
>>852123
It goes all the way back to the Civil War. Ottilie Assing was one of the man "intellectuals" who fomented the Civil War, along with the Secret Six, John Brown and the rest of the shabbos goyim. The KKK was the real start of white pride garbage, but it came out of a defeated South. No real organization would have been allowed. It was a Jew co-opted organization to compete with the Civil Rights organizations that popped up latter. Its entire purpose was to pit the races against one another. Blacks couldn't even read, yet they supposedly started a movement?
>>852127
There is nothing better than eating some nice gelfite fish, while shit posting about my racial superiority to /pol/cucks. Too bad I can't do it on Sunday though because the electricity gets shut off and I need to spend all day studying the Protocols by candle light.
>>852171
>racial superiority
In fact both the /pol/tards and the Jews themselves are delusional as fuck thinking the Jews are able to run the world. They can't even run Israel properly.
>>852152
The fact that /pol/tards use a term from a pop sci-fi 90s action movie to describe their supposed intellectual awakening should give you an idea of their emotional maturity.
>>852152
Revolutionary activity has always been Jewish. The Enlightenment/Freemasonry, the Bolshevik Revolution, the Protestant Reformation (funding), etc. The masses are incapable of understanding or organizing. An individual is Intelligent, masses are dumb. The only current revolution against Jews was Nazi Germany, and we all know how that went.
Read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was written by a pissed off Russian and accurately describes the psychological mechanisms of Jewish power.
>>852145
>Do you have any evidence for this supposed conspiracy?
Lots, but I'll let demographics do all the heavy lifting for me. Are you telling me the heads of most entertainment and finance companies aren't Jews?
>>852180
I'm well aware Jews are overrepresented in a lot of high places. It doesn't constitute an organized conspiracy.
>>852180
What Jews were responsible for the Enlightenment and the Protestant Reformation.
>The masses are incapable of understanding or organizing.
>I say based on nothing at all
>>852171
OY VEY MY GOOD FRIEND! DO NOT REVEAL OUR SECRET PLANS TO THESE HANDSOME AND MUSCULAR ARYANS!
-MOSES SCHEMESTEIN
>>852180
Yes remember all of those important Jewish Enlightenment philosophers like Spinoza and...
>>852187
The Protestant Reformation would have gone no where without Jewish capital. They owned a lot of the new printing presses in Holland and Belgium, and were looking for a way to break Catholic hegemony over Europe. The same was true of the Hussites before them.
>>852190
They contributed to the Enlightenment via funding and content. The Enlightenment and Freemasonry are inextricable. Both use the exact same dogma even: Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. Freemasonry is basically the Kabbalah along with Neo-Platonic texts. It is Jewish in source and content. Look up John Dee and Edward Kelley. They were the precursors to Freemasonry, and they outright studied Kabbalah.
>>852180
>Enlightenment/Freemasonry
>/
> The Enlightenment and Freemasonry is one and the same
For fuck sake
>>852206
Which Jews funded the Enlightenment?
>>852247
>No clue
>but it just HAD to have happened guys!!
Do you have schizophrenia?
>>852247
>No clue. The whole point of Freemasonry was to obfuscate the money trail.
So you have no evidence then?
>>848799
>>852274
Evidence of what? We know Freemasonry was the driving force behind the French Revolution. We also know Freemasonry is derived from Kabbalah. The implications are clear.
>>852269
You aren't going to have a name for everything. The people perpetrating the French Revolution didn't want to get caught. It's kind of like the Arab Spring blowing up over social media. We know who owns social media, we know revolutions aren't possible without high levels of organization and planning, but we still don't have the name of the Jew who actually called the shots, and probably never will.
>>852315
So apart form /pol/ hearsay, /pol/ infographics included, why do you believe this very, very flawed theory?
>>852315
>we know Christianity was the driving force behind the Crusades. We also know Christianity is derived from Judaism. The implications are clear.
>>852315
>we know revolutions aren't possible without high levels of organization and planning
Sure they are. You think your super secret cabal stirred up a perfectly content French populace into revolt with no real cause?
>>852327
Don't you know, sheep? Secret Talmudic law, law that us goyim can't read because those parasite Jews hide it from us, stated that the French Revolution had to happen so it would later cause Hitler and then Hitler could be framed for gassing Jews and then the Jews could use the holohoax (XDDDD) as an excuse to take over McDonald's in the 1970's to encourage obesity and also encourage race mixing.
You fucking idiot.
>>852339
No, the Jews intentionally aided the Islamic conquests of the East Roman Empire to ensure the crusaders would come over, to lead to the Knight Orders being involved in banking and to create a mess of money in the Catholic church, to lead to the Protestant Reformation to allow the thirty Years war, which laid the foundation for many future policies and conflicts to bring about a state of money wasting and war that would lead to a revolution, and that revolution would lead way to the reaction and centralization of German politics yet still unstable as they had been decentralized in the earlier thirty years war, which would lead to diplomatic blunders and the World Wars, which would place Europe in ruins, allowing America to become first in the worlds economy and to contest the Soviets that had also been set up by the Jews, and to make the Soviets intentionally fall as to put America in an arrogant position, to lead to 9/11, which would allow a random Jewish guy to collect an insurance claim.
>>852423
And before some idiot implies something, I'm obvious joking.
>>852327
The masses can be discontent, but they can't have direction. Read Gustave Le Bon's "The Crowd" to get a better picture of what I am talking about. Masses can't from long-term plans. It takes an organization to apply their discontent, with a leader and a hierarchy.
>>852325
I'm not so sure there isn't a Jewish story behind the Crusades. It wouldn't surprise me.
>>852319
The Jews were involved in every post Middle Ages revolution. The Hussites, Protestant Reformation, Enlightenment, Communism, etc. All of them roughly correlated with millennialism. They all thought they would bring heaven on earth—which Jewish rhetoric always promises.
>>852525
Evola isn't even a real reactionary, he's an edgy synthesis of Nietzsche and Aleister Crowley thus a monumental occultist horseshit peddler.
>>849424
Wasn't Eumeswil supposed to be a model for living a Stirnerian existence?
>>852423
Jews are the Spirit of History?
>>852749
Evil Spirit, I mean.
>>851727
>one professor may have socialist leanings
>this is enough to indict the whole educational system and believe in a far reaching conspiracy
>>852779
To be fair, you are never going to come across a fascist leaning teacher. The teacher is indicative of the system, because the teacher functions inside of it. If the teacher's views were that far out if alignment, they would be canned.
>>852669
but the enlightenment wasn't even a thing until 100 years after the fact, and included political thinkers ranging from Hobbes to Rosseau, as well as people like Linnaus that really weren't all that political.
But I imagine all these facts were merely Jewish false flags? Quick question, if the Jews were powerful enough to set up such a grand false paradigm, why set it up in the first place? Surely, the goyim must have been alerted by these radical changes, wouldn't it have been better to let them remain ignorant?
>>852802
I don't think you can equate the two. Modern day fascists are essentially your run-of-the-mill social outcasts with various instances of paranoid schizophrenia (thread very much related), whereas socialism is a legitimate line of political thinking which has backing in both several governments the world over and heavy support in academia.
Militant socialism is a different beast, but how often would you see a teacher advocating violent revolution (outside of Cuba or North Korea)?
>>852854
>fascism is mental illness
>socialism is legitimate
>>852872
Both are dead ideology anyway. Liberalism too.
>>852872
im not talking about fascism as a whole, I am talking about modern day fascists.
But if you can find me a single modern day scholar, politician or political thinker that considers himself fascist, and isn't medically insane, I will happily admit I was wrong.
>>848791
The idea that the Frankfurt School was anything more than a loose gathering of intellectuals with almost insurmountable ideological differences is a conspiracy theory unfounded in reality, so I'm going to hazard a guess that there was something wrong with your sources.
>>852875
what ideology is alive then?
>>853518
Alt right
Trumpism
>>853518
Proggressivism sort of.
But modern society is characterized by the Post-modern condition, in which idealogies are rejected and deconstructed rather than accepted. The progressives represent the last ideology that is actually enjoying a large representation.
>>853533
Do you even know what an ideology is, in the classical Marxist conception?
>>853537
>in the classical Marxist conception
MARXIST CONCEPTION LMAO
nobody cares laddie
>>852887
Fascism isn't as openly widespread because of 70 years of witch hunt. In many European countries you can actually go to jail for being a fascist.
The key concept of communism is the "withering away of the state". Once the workers establish an order, the government of representatives are no longer needed. Thus, in a sense it is organized anarchy.
>>848791
>Is there any historical validity to the right's accusations about cultural marxism, and is it a threat to traditional western rationalism?
If you mean blatant Marxist infiltration and subversion of the West, then yeah.
>WHO IS ALGER HISS
>>853876
The key concept of communism is being fucking retarded.
>see guys
>we'll install a bloody dictatorship for a bunch of years
>and then it will magically vanish and we'll live in a stateless utopia
Marxism is so incredibly stupid it hurts.
>central planning
>>848791
Stop. Just fucking stop. The Frankfurt School is a footnote. /pol/ talks them up because they're jews. This is the man who laid the groundwork for most modern critical theory and he's exactly as much of a cunt as you think he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homi_K._Bhabha
>>853537
We don't give a fuck about your stupid goddamn definitions that nobody else uses. Fuck your shit, we don't care, use terms that aren't deliberately designed to obfuscate your position in a debate.
Fuckstick.
>>853836
> In many European countries you can actually go to jail for being a fascist.
Like what country?
>>853917
>Let's talk about whether or not something is Marxist
>God dammit why do we have to actually look what Marxism postulates!
>Why can't I just label anything I dislike Marxist and fuck the actual defination
Don't worry, logical arguments are just part of the Jewish conspiracy
>>853920
Czech republic for example.
>>853924
And fuck /pol/ too. Jesus Christ, it's not just the stormfilth that hates you.
>/pol/niggers honestly don't understand why no one likes them.
>Commies honestly don't understand why no one likes them.
>>853928
Sure you aren't thinking about laws against denying the Holocaust?
>>853924
>implying Marxism invented the word ideology
Are you legit brainfucked?
>>853908
heh, we had to read a bit of that guy in postcolonial class. Trying to make sense of his diatribe should be an entire field of study in and of itself, the man just does not know how to communiate.
>>853960
Are you aware different systems of thought use different words differently?
If you want to actually identify what Marxism is you need to actually try to understand what he is saying.
>>849954
>insensitivity to people who live in the Southern Hemisphere
Do they seriously just jump to this shit?
>>853977
>postcolonial class
>>853983
What are you even on about, that guy said trummpism is a hip ideology and you went full retard asking him if he knows what's the Marxist definition of ideology. Is Trump a Marxist now?
I read the /his/ OPening and instead I got /pol/itical posts. Here's my attempt to filter this thread:
>Marxism ISN'T about making normative judgements based on slave morality, it's just the most influential apparatus in sociology for analysing politics or economy
>Critical Theory isn't about pushing through any one morality or system, it's an attempt to achieve "ideological freedom" through tools like Marxism. Such a goal seems quite suspect however, and strange for a school that claims to have taken onboard Nietzsche.
>>854063
>Marxism ISN'T about making normative judgements
Marx sure did, though. Hard to separate the bread from the baker.
>>853996
Answer the fucking question, do you not know the definition, or do you just not care?
>>854063
>Implying analysis of politics and economy doesn't produce discourse that is itself politically and economically influential
>Implying it's possible to make non-normative judgments of a world-economic system with an analytic framework was created to destroy it
>>854093
I do not care, pretty much stated that outright. Not sure why should I care whether Marxian newspeak classifies Alt Right as ideology.
>>854110
So you just enjoy being uneducated? I don't even agree with Marxism, I just think it's a shame that you're so poorly read.
>>854114
Again, why should I care? Marx didn't invent the concept of ideology so why the fuck are you trying to hamfist Marxian definitions into a completely unrelated debate?
>>854120
Because it's worth knowing, you fucking idiot. Why else would you post on this board or in a thread about Marxism?
>>854142
You originally replied to a post about alt right being relevant you cyclopean moron, nobody gives a flying shit about whether it falls into Marxist vocabulary of ideology.
>>854157
It doesn't matter if you give a shit, it simply doesn't work
Support for a candidate is not a sign of a distinct ideology
Trumpism is just a form of conservatism
Is Sandersism an ideology? Is Clintonism an ideology? When you start to just label things ideologies like this, the word loses all significance.
>>854231
Trump on his own is just a populist conservative who coopted some alt right currents. Alt right is becoming pretty relevant in modern west, much more than Marxian revolutionary communism.
>>854239
>populist conservative
Why not just talk about populism or conservatism? Is it because you're proud of your lack of care?
>Alt right is becoming pretty relevant
I wouldn't call what's becoming relevant 'alt right,' I would call it reactionary ideology.
>much more than Marxian revolutionary communism
Can you support this claim?
>>854264
Alt right is what they call themselves. Who gives a damn about what you call them, you're a nobody.
>>854268
>Alt right is what they call themselves
I'm aware of what the alt right is. It's just odd that you think a fringe fascist movement is actually what Donald Trump is latching on to. There have been conservative populist currents in America for a very long time, this honestly seems like a case of historical and theoretical illiteracy on your part. You shouldn't be proud.
>you're a nobody
So are you.
>>854264
Classical reaction is just a fraction of the alt right, it's a spectrum that covers anything from reactionaries to fascists, so pretty broad.
>>854288
Yes, I'm aware of how nebulous it all is. I just think that all of it can be categorized as reactionary, as opposed to standard conservatism (these are the people who popularized the word 'cuckservative), which doesn't explicitly oppose itself to revolutionary activity and values but only does so implicitly. Most Alt Right discourse I've encountered has been primarily meant to be offensive toward the currents within the left wing of the Democratic party, for example, whereas most mainstream conservative discourse I've encountered is defensive. Donald Trump supporters are anti-revolutionary revolutionaries within the Republican party. Is this not reaction?
>>854312
>these are the people who popularized the word cuckservative
And they're pretty valid in applying this word as "standard" conservatives strayed way to the left in the past 30 years, at least when it comes to social issues.
>>854327
That's the reason I categorize the Alt Right as reactionary. The see that standard conservatism has failed them and they now want something else.
>>854312
I wouldn't call it a reaction per se, as I see reaction as specific yearning to reconstruct the society from before the French revolution or at the very least before 1918, not just people who want to go recreate any status quo ante. A Russian who wants the Soviet Union back is not a reactionary, for example.
And fascism is an ideology that developed through synthesis of several currents spawned by the French revolution (nationalism + socialism + statism) so it's not reactionary either.
But yeah, my definition might as well be not 100% valid as I like to call myself a classical reactionary, so whatever.
>>854349
>as I see reaction as specific yearning to reconstruct the society from before the French revolution
That's a really limited conception. Limiting yourself to classical reactionary thought is pretty limiting. Bernie supporters don't actually care about the legacy of the French Revolution. If you want to effectively oppose them, you can't just complain about guillotines, you'll have to update your tactics to compete with their updates. This is an arms race. Our practice can be traditional, but we have to accept that traditional reactionary thought can't handle what's happening with the Left right now.
