So we all know that Napoleon is the greatest General, but who is the greatest statesman of all time?
>Napoleon is the greatest General
You mean Alexander the Great?
>>836558
Napoleon
I'd vote for Asoka the Great t b h
William Pitt the Younger, right LADS?
>>836582
>muh coalitions
Sup fags
>>836558
pic related
AND YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIM
The only right answer.
>>836619
I hate krauts who agree with me but I hate other countries even more
t: Otto Von Bismarck
>>836607
>not Augustus
SHIGGUS MAXIMUS
>>836800
You hate everybody?
It would be nice if you douchenuggets listed reasons for your choices.
>>836558
The guy that abandoned two armies because he couldn't into logistics?
Better general and statesman coming through.
Talleyrand in the sence of manipulation
![washington_portrait-P[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EOWqGxe.jpg "washington_portrait-P[1].jpg")
Consider the following.
>>836558
brit fag coming in to send you to St. Helena
>>836558
Napoleon was a great stateman too. His ideas and the institutions he set up were amazing.
If you're talking about pure diplomacy in the "beat you before the battle" diplomacy, Bismarck imo
>>836611
No he shouldn't, if anything Napoleon should have killed Talleyrand before he could screw up everything.
Talleyrand was against the french empire and a cuck
>>838549
Blucher was British?
>>836558
>Napoleon is the greatest General
I'm a frenchfag but clearly it was Subutai.
If chink history is any bit credible.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bai_Qi
>>836558
Cyrus the Great
Be polite
Be humble
Don't be a dick to defeated people.
>>836558
>ctrl+F
>no Pericles
>>836558
you can't 100% compare statesmen of different times, but Cicero or Bismarck were surely the greatest statesmen of their time
Metternich you silly cunts.
Pic very much related. Not only has he done so much good here at home, but he's also made such good progress on the international level.
>>839908
>makes great funeral oration honoring his men and the way of life they died trying to preserve
>adds in bit at the end about how women should shut their mouths
he was a bit of a random misogynist
>>839998
hahahahahahah
>Russian relation are almost Cold War bad. russia basicaly invaded and conquered Crimea with out a peep. russian proxy war in south east Ukraine meet with just sanctions.
>Syria, Libya, Yemen wars
>China is stealing and building islands in friendly nations' waters and all he does is an empty military show of force. yet China still on those islands and claiming the waters.
>globalist jew trade deals
oh but he got the Nobel Peace Prize for being a nigger president of america. That blows hundreds of millions of dollars on a few state trips to muslim countries. So he could apologize for Bush jr.
>>841598
>actually taking the bait
>>836857
Napoleon fought in a system that didn't give him an inherent advantage. Subotai was great, but in context he's overrated and attached to an ephemeral empire. The Napoleonic era and the French Revolution that spawned it is one of history's most important epochs. The Mongol dynasties of their subject peoples were some of the shortest. This is especially important in the context of statecraft, which is what OP asked.
>>841644
oh and don't forget his top diplomat and foreign policy advisor during all this was, Hillary Clinton.
Though don't forget to vote for her for "muh first woman president, break that glass ceiling and the muh soggy knee patriarchy"
I would annex the planets if I could, I often think of that - Rhodes.
>>841338
someone post that kkk /pol/ comic "boy, I sure do hate niggers!"
Not saying he's the best of all time or anything but my personal favorite is the Duke of Wellington.
>>841808
same
>>843168
Even though it's fiction, there is also a really good book that has him in a portion of it, and they portray him really well.
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrel by Suzanne Clarke.
>>843187
>really good book
>>841660
>Mongol Empire
>Lasts centuries
>Ephemeral
>Napoleon's empire
>Lasts less than 20 years
>Not ephemeral.
Wut?
Not to mention that the two posters I responded to were talking about generalship, not statecraft. And Subotai's vision of controlling the central steppe and the silk road; of building the empire around that trade wealth and the sole ability to keep it secure, seems pretty steady.
Step aside
For I have arrived.
>>839152
He's the man, didn't go all victor's justice on the conquered people
>>841790
This one?
>>836558
>Not Baibars
Can only speak for my country.
This guy build France has a unified country
Frederick the Great or Frederick-William the Great Elector
>>841338
Actually for the time he was very progressive when it came to women. He even kissed his wife to sleep and out in public
>>839908
Muh nigga. So sad how he died. His son dies then he gets the same disease. Next thing you know Athenians are killing all their generals because "muh proper burials" and trying to invade countries they had no business in. Such a shame, they could have won that war
>>846820
France wasn't unified before?
Phillip II of Macedon
>Skillfully takes the throne from his younger brother
>Bribes Thracians and Paeonians to fuck off his land, marries Olympias and gets an ally in Epirus
>Re-trains army with new tactics and weapons
>Tells Athens he'll give them Amphipolis if they fuck off, but later keeps it anyway
>Saves Thessaly and is appointed Archon, basically doubling his power
>Subjugates Thrace, and then Greece after crushing the Thebian-Athenian army at Chaeronea
>>838367
>Talleyrand in the sence of manipulation
More like Nappy JUST fucking up and letting him and that other faggot live.
>>836558
Joan of arc.
How have we not talked about the biggest badass to ever come out of the Iberian Peninsula? Hannibal motherfucking Barca. The badass who brought Rome to their knees, who took 40000 men, and elephants, FUCKING ELEPHANTS over the alps? This badass was so badass he was recognized by that French Faggot Napoleon as one of the great strategic minds of history, and General Patton thought that he was the reincarnation of this pure badass. Why is Hannibal so fucking badass? Because he has the one thing all the others didn't Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Alexander all had a Levee en Mass, they had the entire might of empires behind them, steamrolling everything, and one, in their path. No brilliant tactics, no bloody wars of attrition on the enemies home turf, no brilliant military victories that are still studied today, even the Romans, his sworn enemy, adopted his stratagem. This one man is proof that one man can change the fate of the world, and bring the worlds most powerful empire to it's knees.
>>847427
>at no point did Rome go to their knees. The bell just dinged and they both went into their corner. Once Round 4 came around Rome still had it in them to keep going, Hannibal fell and later Carthage.
He was badass for a time, but what is more badass is Rome for not giving up
>>847432
Don't forget the bro Scipio
>>838383
Underrated post
>>836558
>greatest statesman
Otto von Bismarck
>greatest general
Khalid ibn al-Walid
>>849174
so what did that roach do to be such a great general?
I can hardly belive it considering how terrible the sandnigger generals were
>>849174
>>greatest statesman
>Otto von Bismarck
this
>>838383
holy shit G.W. looks terrifying
>>847406
this desu
pusser make the best military
10/10 send all women to war
>>849174
>Khalid
>best
Definitely not, but he is absolutely in the top 10-15 all time.
>>841598
It's pretty obvious that the guy was trolling, but all the things you listed are either in no way Obama's fault or not nearly as bad as you make them out to be.
At least find some proper examples.
>>841338
If you want to take misogynists out of the running this list is going to get a lot shorter
I'm gonna go with this guy.
He somehow managed to untangle Mao's clusterfuck and steer China from the laughing stock of the world to a formidable world power.
If the chairman had only accepted that he was a decent general but a shitty administrator China would be 30 years ahead of the curve.
>>841660
>Napoleon fought without systemic advantages
What is the earliest field artillery?
What is levee en masse?
Cicero
Bismarck
Thomas Jefferson
>>839152
Who was the Persian Ruler that was in Torah because he freed the Jews of Babylon? Was it Cyrus?
>>852194
Actually, I think it was Darius, but I'd need to doublecheck.
>>836607
>dead
>not Scipio
The hell /his/
>>836558
didnt he get BTFO by da Duke of Wellington
kek what a fag
>>852632
Yes, and the Duke himself said that Napoleon was the best
![Prince_Metternich_by_Lawrence[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kJMSgnc.jpg "Prince_Metternich_by_Lawrence[1].jpg")
What about Metternich?
Why Napoleon always put his hand into his suit?
>>852662
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-in-waistcoat
>>847066
Common misconception.
France can be seen as loose and turbulent as the HRE, albeit many less states, it was still very autonomous and the King held a very loose hand on the reins.
>>852653
Maybe diplomat. As for forming policy at home, he's rather wanting.
>>852662
https://youtu.be/DyGj9N7JEVY
C'est a grand homme
...pour vous
>>849296
He looks 1 step from a beta uprising.
>>839967
>>852653
This. By about a hundred miles.
>>836857
>fight against most of relevant world
>defeat them multiple times
vs
>fight unrelevant tribes and kingdoms
h m
>>854079
The bourgeois revolution *is* the beta uprising.
>>841338
>muh soggy knees
>>>/suicide/
