For the duration of Lent, I, along with probably most of the Orthodox here, will not be posting on 4chan, Lent begins this Sunday evening, and is as customary in the Orthodox Church, we beg one another for forgiveness for all transgressions to inaugurate Lent, and that is why it is called Forgiveness Sunday.
So here is a thread for us to ask one another for forgiveness for our harsh words, our pride, our weaknesses.
Forgive me, /his/, both those who love me, and those who hate me, I ask for your forgiveness.
Let there be no harsh words or quarreling in this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=227eUcYdZKM
I forgive you, but dont shitpost again, will you?
>>825468
I won't
>>825457
>For the duration of Lent, I, along with probably most of the Orthodox here, will not be posting on 4chan
Post quality will go up it seems
>>825457
>Go forth and sin again.
Thank God, fuck off you shitstain.
Leave 4chan for Jesus. You are doing us all a favor.
God I wish all of the Catholics and Orthodox would die.
Pseudopagans pls go.
>40 days of no Orthodox threads
Amen! What a time to be alive!
>>826066
Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.
ayy lmao
So, you're going to take the trip off and keep posting?
>>825457
Orthodox Lent is just starting now? Neat.
this the same guy that posted the anti porn thread on pol?
>>826068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrD7WMl9L4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
>>826071
For tonight, but I won't be on after Sunday Vespers.
>>826126
post tits
>>825457
Constantine, before you go, tell me, why did you make this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcPRRBeeVE&feature=youtu.be&t=1m19s
>>826068
Just stop being pagan.
>>826233
Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope.
To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve: to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears.
Turn then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus, O merciful, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary! Amen.
>>825478
John 8:11 :^)
Wouldn't the Orthodox way to not be on 4chan at all? It's a forum initiated around chinese cartoons of a base nature, and half the people here are slaves to the passions if not just crude and cruel for humor's sake.
I know this ain't /b/ but aren't there more wholesome places to go on the internet? Or generally less spiritually destructive ways to waste your free time?
>>826309
Mark 2:17
>>826039
I didn't expect to find that .gif as hot as I did
>tfw going to Adoration every week
>tfw going to read the Book of Job during Holy Week
I wish you only the best, Constantine.
>>826413
Thank you!
So what are you guys giving up for Lent?
I'm doing caffeine, vidya and facebook, in addition to doing more prayer and religious reading.
>>826562
Apart from the standard stuff? Just no 4chan.
But all the standard stuff including the Lenten standard Orthodox dietary restrictions. Also the rest of the requirements, no secular music, no parties, no merrymaking. No sex either, but that applies anyway, because I'm unwed. Plus extra prayer, charity (in both money and time as is prescribed for Lent).
>>826603
What do you define as saecular music? I mean, what are you staying away from for spiritual reasons?
Does Beethoven's 6th symphony fall under the purview of saecular, being not explicitly of the church and God, or is it the modern rock and roll/pop that is meant to rile the passions that you more object to?
>>826640
Secular music means any music that isn't overtly religious. Yes Beethoven's 6th Symphony falls under it.
It's not that all secular music is spiritual harmful. The reason we stop listening to it during Lent is because Lent is a time for extreme spiritual focus, so everything is focused on that.
>>825457
What in the hell are you talking about? Well what branch of orthodoxy are you? Thats not true for Greeks, our lent deals with meat and dairy products nothing with technology and our fasting already started
>>826233
Christian-based goodwill wishing and praying is nice and all but paganism is paganism no matter how watered down it is my pagan friend.
>>826233
None of the Early Christians are Protestants though.
>>828904
Neither were that Catholic or Orthodox. The Pagan Churches simply declared any theology that wasn't their own as "heresy" after their establishment, claiming to be the sole inheritors of "tradition" when tradition doesn't work like that.
>>829010
All those early churches pretty much looked the same. The all had bishops and priests, they all held tradtion equal to scripture.
They disagreed on certain theological issues but structurally they were all pretty much the same
>>829010
So Arianism shouldn't be considered heresy?
>>829010
I'm genuinely curious, which people labelled as "heretics" during the first five centuries of Christianity's existence, do you support?
>>829026
Arianism is a confirmed heresy within the context of the Pagan(Satan's) Churches. Whether or not it is heresy within the context of God's Church is not yet known. It may well be, it may not be, it may be irrelevant compared to the inherent inability of Man to understand God.
>>829038
You're saying the divinity of Christ is irrelevant?
>>829031
Literally all of them. While many of them might be mistaken, even gravely, it is only through them and all other early churches we may even make an attempt to reconstruct any true teachings.
>>829052
Which one do you think was the true continuation of Christianity, as opposed to the mainstream Church?
>>829050
The human concept of "divinity" may be an incredibly flawed dichotomy not actually based on God's definitions, yes.
As a catholic I wish you well. Though I cannot ask another man lest he be allowed to by god, for forgivness.
Ill shitpost orthodoxy threads in your absence friend.
>>829060
I have no idea. It is possible that none of them did, given the apostles' noted flaws and inability to understand Jesus. It is possible that the differences between many non-pagan sects is just the result of the overall inability for man to fully grasp God.
>>829073
Do you think Luther understood Jesus better than the Apostles?
>>829063
God only speaks in human languages or inspires it so we can understand him, he has no private definition of divinity
>>829076
Perhaps yes, perhaps no. It depends on whatever his exact relationship to the Holy Spirit was. However, most of the "heretic" churches would be able to artifically trace their lineage back to an apostle the same way the Pagan Churches artifically trace their theology to Peter. However, the Protestant Churches do not artifically trace their Churches back to Luther, rather they are flawed reconstructions based on the information we currently have availiable.
>>829083
In what human language was "Let there be Light" uttered?
>>829111
Then Luther's influence on the Protestant reformation has as much relevance as the Empire of Rome, the explicit End Times villain, has on the Roman Catholic Church and all churches derrived from her.
If it wasn't uttered in any language, God clearly has a way of communicating different than the human way. Then concepts derrived in the divine language are not the same as practical definitions in human language.
>>829136
Luther was the major theologian who defined Protestantism, how did Rome do that for the Church?
Who was God communicating with?
>>829151
By defining the pagan worship system of Saints and Mary. Luther's detestable extra-scriptural mistakes comparable to thus have been slowly removed over time, even by churches thst unfortunately still carry his name.
God the Father was likely communicating with the other members of the Trinity.
>>829169
How is Mary a pagan? How are the saints pagan?
God the Father and the other persons of the Trinity share a single mind, so that doesn't make sense.
>>829180
Mary was likely not pagan. Whether an individual saint was or was not pagan is difficult to say. It ultimately depends on their personal relationship with God. However, the quasi-worship of them was absolutely pagan and fits in nicely with the existing Roman Polytheism of the age.
The Trinity do not share a single mind, otherwise the actions and recorded thoights of Jesus make no sense.
>>829197
How is worshiping Mary and the saints, pagan?
Jesus had both the mind of God and the mind of a man, so that really doesn't apply here.
>>829204
The worship of God's other than Yahweh is by definition paganism.
Jesus the Christ's mind being separate from God the Son is only applicable in a Nestorian worldview. That is a heresy, according to you.
>>829223
I'm assume by "worship", you are using Johnson Dictionary's definition, not latria. So you will have to explain how that is paganism, by definition.
Monothelitism is heresy, which is what you are advocating. Nestorianism is the doctrine that Christ had two hypostases.
>>829236
If the petition to supernatural powers is comparable to those prohibited in the bible, you have paganism. Is sacrificing to Molech okay if you do not use human sacrifice? Is sacrificing to Asherah okay if it is only within the context of "actually" sacrificing to her husband? Is sacrificing to Cronus based on interpretatio romana interpreting him as El okay? If not, then neither is the thinky-veiled paganism of the Pagan Churches.
What is the heresy that Jesus the Christ had a separate mind than God the Son? It is whichever you are using to say that God the Father and Jesus the Christ had separate minds.
>>829280
What do you mean by "supernatural"? Mary and saints are just people, albeit perfected by God. Molech and Asherah are literally demons.
Jesus Christ had two minds, the human mind of Jesus Christ was no more his mind than God's mind. Jesus Christ is a single existence with two beings. The divine mind of Jesus Christ is the same mind that God the Father has, and since creation took place prior to Christ's human incarnation, that's really what counts.
>>829327
When you pray to/ "with" Mary for help, what is happening? Can Marie the baker do what you ask of Miriam the Queen of Heaven? How about Maria the politician? Perhaps Mari the millionaire? If any of these people, or anyone else you can call upin in the natural world are helping you, you are not engaging in the supernatural. However, if you expect those in heaven or hell to hear you, minus God who hears all through the Holy Spirit, you are engaging in witchcraft, whether attempted or actual.
So, then, you are willing to defend this position against Constantine, Sakurahime and other dedicated Orthodoxposters? If it is what you genuinely belive I have no issue with it.
>>829370
No, because none of those people have become spiritually perfect.
I am sure they all agree that Christ had two Geists.
>>825457
FUck you Constantine you're a bitch and your threads suck ass!!!!
Haha look at this dumb nigger who can't even respond.
>>825457
As God forgives, so shall I.
Have mercy upon me, a sinner.
>>829381
Adam and Eve were spiritually perfect also. Why then portray then as unaware of the things you describe spiritually perfects people as being aware of? Why not simply pray to/"with" each other to determine exactly what is happening?
Okay, I will remember this explanation for later use.
>>829416
>Adam and Eve were spiritually perfect also
They are now that they've been reconciled with God, and it is perfectly acceptable to pray to them.
>>829425
Nice try. Pre-fall, we're they or were they not spiritually perfect?
>>829099
Why would an all loving deity hide Truth from us?
Why is it that the truth which he passed onto human beings be such that human beings cannot even grasp its meaning?
The heretical movements vary in belief and dogma and so do the Protestants.
>>829430
I don't know. I don't think they experienced theosis, so not exactly. They were without sin, but they were still susceptible to temptation. Which they aren't now.
>>829438
Sp the difference between without sin and spiritually perfect is theosis? Is that how one gains the power to hear prayers, for example?
>>829370
>Bible says they rejoice if we do penance
>Bible says they lift our prayers up to God
>"HURR IT'S WITCHCRAFT TO SAY THEY HEAR YOU"
No it isn't. Those in heaven are in full communion with us and in theosis with God. They hear us because he allows it.
>>829442
Enough with this retcon.
The main issue here is your epistemology of religion.
Let's start with the very revelation from the Divine which Protestantism can't even come up with consistent and non contradictory interpretations of such.
At least the Orthodox and Catholics have consistency and have a point of reference for assessing the validity of the interpretation of the Divine Revelation. You and your sect or sects don't.
>>829442
I'd say theosis isn't required of it self to hear prayers, since demons can probably hear them if you address them, but in the case of saints they receive that capacity through perfect theosis, yes.
>>829455
Revelations explicitly demonstrates some form of intercession of the Saints and even their invocation by those on Earth.
>>829462
I just said that tripfag
>>829460
So in death a human is able to gain powers normally reserved for a god or deity in the physical world, and I an expected to believe this has nothing to do with pagan practices such as Apotheosis?
>>829475
You didn't say where in Scripture is it mentioned.
>>829485
Christians don't die. Their bodies sleep, but they don't experience death. Acts 7:60
>>829485
http://capro.info/Christianity/Salvation/Theosis_of_the_Early_Church_Fathers.html
>>829491
And I didn't specifically mention that in the gospel of Luke Jesus says that those in heaven are aware enough of us on earth to rejoice when we repent either. Cry about something else
>>829492
You cannot have a second death without having the first. If only sinners died, it would not be called the second death.
>>829518
Sheol is not called the second death.
>>829542
The Lake of Fire is the second death. If only those destined for the Lake of Fire die even the first death, what is the point in separating them?
>>829586
All the dead and Hades (Sheol) will go to the lake of fire. Those of heaven are not among the dead and Hades. Those still on earth will be separated.
Lent began a while ago Constantine :^)
>>826066
>Protestants
>Not heretics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e5lbnBMP2U
>>829924
>Lent began a while ago Constantine
Not according to the canons established for calculating Easter.
Quality of posting should go up then.
>>829924
>>829924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A1GCbtUV9Y
Tell me anon, were you baptized in a horse trough :^)
