You just have to look at hollywood, they are basically the biggest incidentally bisexual community out there:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050819063131/http://www.geocities.com/mnussitch/gossip.html
So how come people are doubting me when I mention how Ceasar was a bisexual for example? Or how Hephaestion was the lover of Alexander the Great and best friend from his childhood?
I mean do they somehow think it's an insult or demeaning and for various reasons see these figures as more myth than actual real persons?
I have to say that I myself am at least bisexual and obviously don't see a problem with that. I think the christian morality of also including the dominant top of homosexual sex as sinful/shameful is still engrained with us.
Or you are just a bunch of teenagers who played crusader kings and Europa universalis and call each other gay.
Satisfying your sexual pleasures by using another man isn't necessarily gay (still degenerate though).
>>815256
Homosexuality and bisexuality didn't exist as identities in the ancient world. No-one considered themselves 'heterosexual' either.
I always wonder how gay stuff was so prevalent among Romans and Greeks when non-straight people are such a statistical minority. Is it really socially conditioned rather than inherent?
We aren't
Why do you care?
NO MAN YOU DON'T GET IT THE ROMAN EMPIRE COLLAPSED BECAUSE OF GAYS
>>815256
question, Caesar did fuck men right? Or am i off base? and how the fuck did socrates, who i always heard was bi/gay, manage to last into the history books during 1000-2000 when being gay or bi was seen as wrong?
>>815267
This. I have a young, slim, effeminate Taiwanese boy who's an exchange student at a nearby college who dresses up like a girl for me (extremely convincingly, down to the makeup, perfume, skin lotion, etc.) and I use for my pleasure. I still get plenty of girls, but sometimes a little side degeneracy is fun. I would never like a muscular dude or something though, I'm still straight.
>>815308
Some historical figures are so revered they survive regardless of how many societies or governments with vastly differing ideals and values come into existence. They'll just have their personality traits or actions that run counter to contemporary social mores go unmentioned.
Greeks were into hot guys. But it wasn't gay. It was mutual touching and admiring of hot bods, not homo.
>>815289
I think there are more technically bisexuals than people think.
I think social conditioning definetly has an impect, but is not solely responsible ->see very christian religious families with gay kids
>>815296
I think historians often skip over that and don't want to touch it. Sexual escapades were an open secret in rome, which still maintained a victorian like prudish image in the public.
I think we shouldn't just exclude sex when we talk about historical figures, see vlad the impaler and the mehmet who was in a gay relationship with vlad's brother.
>>815308
>question, Caesar did fuck men right?
As I understand it he did it with the wives of his allies and it wasn't uncommon for him to go after some guys as well.
>and how the fuck did socrates, who i always heard was bi/gay, manage to last into the history books during 1000-2000 when being gay or bi was seen as wrong?
Well luckily they only sometimes burned "haram" books.
>>815316
>I'm still straight.
you are more of dominant bi-curious guy then, not really "straight"
some other anon asked how come there are so few gay/bisexuals in today population, it's basically because of people like you who don't out themselves
and that's okay
>>815338
were the greeks literally /fit/ incarnate?
>>815289
Men will take boipussy when it's available and they don't suffer any loss of prestige
>>815356
I wish this was completly socially acceptible in today's time without being bothered by "are you gay or bi" or stuff like that.
I personally wouldn't mind a longer relationship though.
>>815352
>Athletes competed nude, a practice which was said to encourage aesthetic appreciation of the male body, and to be a tribute to the gods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_%28ancient_Greece%29
So yeah, /fit/ incarnate pretty much.
>you will never work out in a greek gymnasium while old guys in their 40s stand by and you cath them mirin your hot sweaty bod
feels bad
>>815316
Shit that didn't happen - The Post
>>815374
breh
>>815370
everyone is obsessed with identity now, "who am I? Is this right or wrong? How do i put this into words?" Back then they were struggling with being human let alone their fucking tastes and how to talk to other people about it.
Although, slowly, i feel were returning to do not give a shit era about what you do or are.
>>815404
It's also pretty weird how there is a stigma against bis in the gay "community"
makes me just want to not use any kind of label and just say:
I'm attracted to guys (without mentioning women, because they have nothing to do with that, while I talk to a guy)
I love how gym culture is basically like an all-time high like in ancient greece.
>>815416
their's actually a good reason for gays to dislike bi's (depending of course) in my experience, i also hate bi's because their sluts. or rather, very sexually active and thats what they care about more, rather than gender. Its just a lifestyle choice but it did/does give gays a bad name as guys that just really want to fuck all the guys.
instead, of you know, guys that like guys and aren't going to rape you.
>>815451
I'm still a virgin though and just want a monogamous relationship.
I would even prefer a guy, because girls just think so differently.
I don't think about doing hookups like gays do. I just want someone who loves me and is fine with me being sexually dominant in the bedroom.
>>815484
i know i know, give it time, we don't exist in a society where you can just go up to a guy as a guy and ask them out without repercussions.
hell, 10-20 years ago gays were evil. now their mostly accepted (depending on area)
>>815256
Literal homosexual here.
There is no hard evidense any of these people are gay. The evidense for Alexander having a gay lover is that he had a very close relationship with his friend and said a few ambigous things like 'insulting him is the same as insulting me'.
It's literally historical slashing.
And as others have said, the terms of homo, hetro, and bisexual are modern concepts. Read some Focauls.
>>815509
>i know i know, give it time
I'm already 22 and haven't dated anyone yet.
>>815256
Homosexuality is an identity created in the past few centuries since the enlightenment. The ancient Greeks thought it culturally acceptable for older men to fuck younger men in the asses as a part of growing up, it didn't mean that anybody considered themselves to be "gay". Nobody exclusively fucked men and formed an identity around it. You were considered mentally ill if you didn't want to impregnate women.
>>815484
>that cunt who was whining about "Germanophobs" turns out to be a fucking faggot
No surprise
>>815256
I have literally never seen anyone fervently deny any of this. Could it be OP that you are just one of these faggots who goes around looking for a problem?
Either way it's unknown what sexual preferences any of these people had, but what is certain is that there was no such thing as gay or bisexual identity during those times. So no, none of these people were bisexual you fucking faggot.
What's wrong with CK2 and EU btw?
>>816670
It was meant as a joke, anon.
>>816633
germany, the other anon was right about that
>>816689
>What's wrong with CK2 and EU btw?
EU is for casuals, CK2 can be forgiven because it's fun, Victoria is where its at
>Could it be OP that you are just one of these faggots who goes around looking for a problem?
Nah, just felt like talking about it.
>I LITERALLY enjoy putting my dick in another man's butt
>nohomo
Are you all fucking braindead? I'm a 0 on the Kinsey scale, but thats because I've never jerked off to gay porn or fantasized about it. I've never had sexual desire directed towards men or been attracted to other males. I literally have no problem with what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms but c'mon, if I was even a little bit gay i'd own up to it. There's nothing wrong in admitting the truth guys.
If you masturbate to traps you are also incidentally gay.
>>816715
I knew you were going to be a Vickyfag.
Victoria is fun if you like doing literally the same thing every single game and sitting waiting for bars to fill up.
It's a meme game.
>>816728
>doing the same thing
you mean industrialising and creating/maintaining a vast colonial empire?
>>815267
>fucking men isn't gay
How the hell do you justify this? Fucking breeders
>>815531
Are you the fagerman we all hate?
>>816748
A colonial Empire limited to Africa and some border gore elsewhere.
Victoria is fun for a couple of runs but then it's just exactly the same every time. It has the lowest replayabity of all the GS games.
>>816746
Removing Turks is equally fun in every GS game. There is no more enjoyable activity that removing them completely.
>>816715
too bad faggot, you're too far away, i would accept nudes but i'm done with trying to bond with people like that.
>>816813
no hard feelings, faggot
>>815524
This desu. It's one thing if someone was a well known bottom-botherer, even if the concept didn't exist, but it's another thing entirely to go through history waving a magic wand at people and pronouncing them lgbtqrffueabfeksfbk
>>815256
Why do people like you always gloss over the fact that homosexual acceptance precedes complete ruin?
>>818672
Odd then that the decline of Rome only accelerated during the Christian period which was decidedly less friendly to homosexuality than the pagan Empire/Republic before.
Please kill yourself.
>>818690
The might of Rome became so weak that meek and humble Christianity overthrew it?
Wonder what caused that weakness....
Why select only Rome? Did Greece not fall? Did Maya not fall? Did the UK not fall?
>>818703
I never said it was Christianity's fault that Rome fell, only that the decline happened to steepen during the Christian era, which saw homosexuality as a sin.
Greece didn't fall due to homosexuality either. They did gay shit for a long time before they ceased being relevant.
And I wasn't aware that homosexuality was widely accepted in the 1950s when people stopped caring about the UK.
How is homosexuality even supposed to ruin civilizations? That doesn't make any sense.
>>815289
Sexuality can be a choice.
I know this because I chose, and intelligent Greeks chose to be bisexual.
I have no hostility towards claiming historical figures as being gay/bi but it so often done to every important person and with little proof. Apparently every important historical figure was gay.
>>818729
or they do it with the worst source on the planet
The passive/active thing that they repeat over and over comes from a christian priest around the year 1000-1200. And we happen to have the original text dating back to ancient greece showing he made it all up.
>>818713
Strong families make strong countries.
Homosexuals cause ruin.
>>818767
>a tiny minority of the country (who probably wouldn't have had children or formed 'strong families' anyway considering they're gay) won't have kids
COUNTRY RUINED
