What theories exist for European global domination? Is Jared "muh geography and disease" Diamond correct?
>>812500
Well yes, Diamond is right specifically about geography and disease, and how it helped expand European/Near Easter societies, but it wasn't exactly a good thing. Keep in mind that the mass use of livestock mixed in with clustered populations pretty much created the plague in Europe, which may have helped in the long run, could have completely destroyed the social structure of Europe had it not been for what I consider the more important factor to European dominance: the Church.
Through the Middle Ages the Church pretty much served as a unifying political force which maintained communication and the spread of ideas between all Catholic realms across the entirety of Europe, and also set a standard of laws such as how and when to carry out wars, and how to treat the peasantry.
I think people fail to respect just how unique a system like that would have been in the Ancient and Medieval world, and the peace plus the spread of technology brought upon by the Church massively contributed to the ability of Christian kings to spare their wealth and manpower in sailing to India and later America, thus beginning European domination.
>>812528
what about the reformation?
>>812533
I'm not really sure. I suppose the arguments for the continued communication and cultural spread between Catholic and Protestant regions could be attributed to them all still obviously being Christians, or just that people still stuck secularly to the long established systems of communication and Catholic culture in newly reformed regions.
Nevertheless, it was way too late to really stop Europe from dominating the world. Virtually all the realms of Western Europe had already discovered and were traversing massive routes to America, India, and China.
Theory of inclusive institutes from Why Nations Fail can be counted as one of the explanations.
>>812533
The reformation was a consequence of theological instability inherent in the Ockhamist traditions of the Catholic Church at the time. The Renaissance is in some part indebted to this as well.
>>812500
Europe wasn't the best place to live, but it was a good place to develop. Asia pretty much won the geographical lottery but they had it too good. They had no need to expand further which led to stagnation. Had Europe been such a perfect fairy land that is implied than we would stagnate as well.
>>812500
the west dominates the world for the same reason as ashkenazi jews dominate the western world.
No. It's more like a little bit of natural advantage (being on an easily defendable peninsula of Asia) and a couple instances of luck go a long way. It's cumulative. On the eve of the renaissance, Yewropeens were still getting their shit kicked by the Ottomans. New World colonization thanks to reconquista-energized zealots and other advances snowballed pretty fucking hardcore for the following centuries.
"European Superiority" cannot explain why it was a fucking backwater until just before the renaissance.
>>812843
So would you argue in favor of some minor advantages laying the groundwork for larger and larger advantages?
Geography definitely played a huge role. Especially in cultural and technological exchanges. I don't think there could be any realistic scenario where Native Americans or SubSaharan Africans ran the world because any civilization they sprung was mostly isolated from peers or rivals. Australian aboriginal were absolutely, 110% doomed to failure for the same reason.
That said, absolute European supremacy came riding on the momentum produced by the colonization of the Americas, and colonization of the Americas was the product of economic and technological factors that pushed Europeans to take land outside of their continent, and these factors were the result of cultural, economic and political situations. I think Berbers, Chinese or Japanese could have dominated the world.
Europe developed far superior naval technologies. End of story.
>>814084
lol
>>812500
anything but single, simplified narrative theories
No racial hierarchy theories? Impressed.
>>814068
The underlying assumption in your analysis is that all native Americans and Australian aborigines are the same. The problem is that, at least linguistically, which is a very good measure of everything else, they differ as much from each other as Eurasian societies do
I think it's simply chauvinism to be frank.
I think Manifest Destiny type thinking was intrinsic to the European culture for such a long time, that it was bound to end in imperialism, colonialism and slavery.
>>812843
Why was Western/Northern Europe a shithole until ~ 1000 and only became important ~ 1600?
Why did they go super saiyan from the 1700s to 1914?
They were very late to the civilization party, but once they got their they shat on everybody.
Why?
>>814274
>non-Europeans were not chauvinist
>>814311
>Why was Western/Northern Europe a shithole until ~ 1000 and only became important ~ 1600?
the definition of an ignoramus
>>812500
Christianity, the Catholic Church, and Disunity. Christianity provided the divine right of Kings, which provided rules on who can attack whom and for what reasons. Nations were far less likely to be destroyed in Europe than they were in other areas of the World, war was no longer a win or be completely destroyed and enslaved equation.
The Catholic Church provided a means of dissemination of information among the Christian Kingdoms and something of a standard set of morals and on occasion the ability to create or direct movements and coalitions to respond to large external threats. (Think the various Crusades, and the Pope's influence in the Ottoman Wars and their focus on Global Missionary Work.)
The multitude of states in close geographical proximity breeds competition and competition breeds competency. China was too stable for too long, you only have one King or one Court or Minister for the entire region instead of multiple competing institutions.
>>814311
See if you can tell me how more organized civilizations might have faired better than backwater shitholes in 1000 AD :-)
>>814311
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b071vl2l
A small minority of European countries had an outsized influence and ability to project power, but it's Laurie Penny level stupid to think they just rolled around laying waste to everyone they came into contact with.
>>814311
>Why was Western/Northern Europe a shithole until ~ 1000 and only became important ~ 1600?
gurgling, because it lacked the silk road and other trade advantages of the east does not mean it was nignog tier. Besides the east spent a lot of time being raped by savage Turkic tribes
>Why did they go super saiyan from the 1700s to 1914?
naval domination, new world, circumnavigation of the Islamic world etc... basically tip top ships... which led to tip top wealth to rival the Islamic empires. Also science n shiiiet which the muzzos dropped after they got bored with it
also it was the duty of the Aryan gods to remake the world in their own image, from the filthiest arab shithole to the most aids ravaged negro settlement... to the most glorious cities in east asia you will bare witness to the white mans works and stand in awe
>>812500
it is not jared's idea and jared's interpretation of it is retarded and probably did more to prop up the "euros are superior" strawman than it did to knock it down
>>814759
unrelated to your discussion, but that map series makes me chuckle if not for a single fact:
>arctic marine mammal hunters
This Kamchatkan bastards have the same label until you get to the map where russia has finally conquered them.
through all of history, they never were or became anything other than what they began as.
>>812500
The Mediterranean connected a huge area meaning new ideas and innovations could rapidly spread and trade centers like Istanbul and Venice became brewing pots for artisans, merchants and the like.
The Indo-Gangetic plain and North China plain were very productive agriculturally and their large cities resulted in many innovations, however they were relatively isolated. During the medieval era, Western and Northern European agriculture developed and it also became a large densely populated area similar to India and China and located right next to the Mediterranean. By the 15th century technology across the old world was developing at a faster pace and becoming more relevant to the success of nations, at the same time the Hanseatic league and improved naval technology connected Europe to the Mediterranean. Europe crept ahead of the curve for the first time since the Western Roman Empire collapsed, technology improved the economy, economic growth and activity led to the development of better technology, Europe remained ahead of the curve until perhaps the current era.
