King John: was he so bad?
>>807614
No. He just inherited a shitty situation from his faggot brother.
Long run? No.
Short run? He did alright dealt a shitty hand.
You're a stinker, and you stink.
ivanhoe said he was p bad
>>807841
He's got a knife!
>>807614
Didn't even try to sound British
>>807614
He did so bad, no English king has been named John since then.
>>807614
He was so bad people went and invented democracy to deal with his ass.
>>807617
>faggot brother
Well according to pic related very much faggot
>>807614
Holy shit, I never realized that was Richard Lewis.
>>807614
Yes. He plundered his subjects, killed his nephew for the throne, tortured noblewomen and their sons, and was a half crazy fuck who lost the Angevin Empire.
>>807906
Richard Lewis? He was literally playing a Jewish King John
>treyf!
>>810447
>killed his nephew for the throne
>Tries to usurp his uncle's throne with support of the French king
>Gets rekt
>"Poor little kid ;_;"
>>810447
So wasn't much different to the rest of the Plantagenets then?
>>810641
Yep, he was 16, not some babe in arms.
>>807906
wow. no shit he didn't.
>>810642
I'll give you that, but he didn't directly do much to justify his crazy shit, even Henry III and Richard II had their moments and achievements.
>>810641
By the laws of Anjou it was right for the eldest son of the eldest son to inherit, and Arthur was that exactly. The issue was that by Norman law John had just as much a claim. Though I would say that Arthur's claim was enhanced by his general support among people and that he had yet to prove himself irresponsible as opposed to John.
>>810642
Pretty much
Robber barons with pretensions one and all
>>811478
There was no such thing as "primogeniture" by the time, Richard appointed John as his heir.
>>807617
This is true, not to mention the problems with inflation across Europe at the time. However, his methods of obtaining money from his nobles and peasantry were ridiculous and he went way too far. He was a shrewd fucking dick.
One example of him gaining money was him taking away Priest's mistresses and having them pay to have them back. He would force people also to pay him to gain permission for a marriage, at ridiculous sums. And much more.
