Could it have ever become a reality?
No.
Hitler was fucked as soon as he failed to take Moscow, and even if he had his troops would have been bled dry in the east trying to hold down everything west of the Urals and eventually Britain and the US would probably have fucked them up.
>>801683
We should never forget the Nuclear bombs in this.
As long as the Germans stayed at war with the US they had that little timer ticking them.
>>801758
>D Day doesn't happen
>Germany wins in russia
>America drops A-Bombs on both Germany and Japan and they surrender
Better outcome?
I guess losing the liberation of france without A-Bombs would be bad culturally.
>>801674
yes
>>801811
Where Germany would spend years trying to nail down and kill the slavs,
where did you get this shit?
>>801674
Sure, whatever makes you happy. But don't forget to do you homework, kiddo. You have to pass 7th grade.
>>801683
German victory in the east did not depend on the failure to take Moscow, it depended on taking the vital oil fields of the Caucausus. Victory here would mean that Germany and her allies would be able strangle the soviet war machine and have a much better chance at winning the war.
>>801683
Strategically Moscow was useless, it was just another ocupation zone. The red army would've kept fighting even if the capital fell.
>>801683
>if only hitler took le moscow he would win le war
>>>/r/history
>>802079
Well, not really. The germans quickly regrouped after the raputitsa and managed to contain Soviet offensives along the entire front. This, along with the rapid success of the german summer offensives assured the OKH and the world that victory still was in there grasps. Soviet morale at this time was at an alltime low, defeat was imminent.
>>801674
Considering Germany's whole problem was their over-stretched supply lines, no. They should've been much less ambitious when it came to seizing Russian territory.
>>802152
Is that why germany lost?
>>801758
>Americans think nukes are a big deal
What's with their obsession with that phallic talisman? Nukes didn't do shit against Japan.
Germany couldn't supply her fronts in the east with even the basics. Summer uniform,no gloves or fur hat or coats in -30 below zero F. They went too far ahead of their supply line.
Just read a book, Waffen SS on the eastern front. Those guys went thru some nasty stuff. Coldest winter in 120 years.Summer heat of 122F. Suffer,bleed & die. Don't get captured. That is if your feet don't fall off from gangrene. Or get shot or blown to shit. What a way to spend a couple years if you live. Fuck
>>801674
There really was no scenario where Germany could realistically come out on top.
Nazi Germany more or less fell into the same trap Imperial Germany fell into, a war of attrition that completely exhausted the German army to a point where it could no longer fight.
The Wehrmacht was a surprisingly effective and advanced army, but it could only win short, decisive wars. Once its offensive momentum was stopped and their forces were put on the defense, the army could be worn down through constant pressure from the Soviets and the unforgiving climate of the steppes.
the attrition began taking effect as early as mid-1942, with fuel and steel shortages pressing Germany to dedicate all available resources solely into tank production at the cost of the Luftwaffe's power, which Albert Speer called "Pazner Priority". Controlling all of the skies above Russia just wasn't possible so they doubled down on a land victory to pull them through.
Then from Stalingrad on, it was just a process of Russia sending German men and resources into the meat grinder and deal irreplaceable losses on the Wehrmacht, while the Soviets simply built momentum as manpower, steel, and fuel was always available to them to where the only shortage that truly worried the Red Army was food.
It's safe to say that Germany's only advantage was winning a quick war. The longer the war lasted, the chance of a German victory drops rapidly.
>>801674
No, Germans are subhuman savages who would never be able to defeat the Soviet Union alone, not to mention like half of the world at the same time. The only reason they got any traction at all is because no one thought they would be totally fucking retarded enough to even try.
>>802693
> nukes are phallic
Nigga wut?
Anyway, no, Germany had no chance of winning the war with Russia. Germany bit off far more than it could ever chew. They hadn't even finished the first war they started and they jumped right in to another war with the largest country on the planet with an impossibly massive military. Even if Germany had managed to push all the way to the Urals, the Russians would be able to bide time until the Americans and the British forced Germany to relocate troops to that front, and then crash upon the defenders like a tidal wave.
Which brings me to another point, supplying the wermacht in Russia and France must've been the worst logistic nightmare in history. The distance between Strasburg and Stalingrad is huge, and it would be a clusterfuck to constantly reposition the troops along both fronts. The distances are too great, the weather too bad, German industry too short of resources, and the enemy militaries too big.
>>801674
Hell no. Finland wouldve gotten more clay than that
>>801674
maybe if the nazis were not nazis and they somehow got the Ukrainians and other ethnic minorities to join there cause
>>801674
How come in our american history books americans are the good guys for going west and forcing people off their native lands while germany is literally satan when they do the same?
>>803423
>How come in our american history books americans are the good guys for going west and forcing people off their native lands while germany is literally satan when they do the same?
What the fuck did you just say? If it wasn't for Chris Kyle you'd be speaking Iraqi you fucking communist.
>>803423
God wanted to kill all the savages so it's only right
>>803423
history is written by the victor.
calling natives inhuman savages worked cause in the end they were driven to near extinction.
calling the slavs inhuman savages doesn't exactly pan out when they end up setting up shop in your capital.
If the Natives actually defeated the US in combat, you'd see a similar stigma that exists for the Nazis.
>>802995
>hello ivan
>>803491
>If the Natives actually defeated the US in combat
>If
I'll take Little Bighorn for 500
>>803506
Thing is that nobody really remembers that because there are no Natives left to talk about it
>>803441
chris kyle is a piece of shit I'm glad his friend shot him thank god and sonny jesus hes dead.
>>803491
Natives mostly won their engagements against Westerners. Didn't matter one iota, cuz they could not replace their population at the same rate as the Westerners.
Hey, you know what? Maybe they did lose every engagement, insofar as each was a sort of pyyhric victory.
>>802017
So? Let's say they do get Baku, what happens then? The soviets aren't going to surrender and are still getting nearly unlimited oil from lend lease, while the Germans would have to hold down another front and likely only acquire some shitty mountians and destroyed oil rigs
>>802058
Thank god that didn't happen though. Can you imagine how far science would have been set back?
>>802152
>defeat was imminent
The soviets were nowhere close to surrender and would have gotten even more fanatical there farther they were pushed back. Literally everyone in the country was willing to fight to fucking Vladivostok if it meant stopping the Germans
No. Germany only succeeded in fast, mobile victories; once they were put on the defensive in Russia and later the west they crumbed easily after a few months of fighting in a specific area
>>803423
I have seen no history book in 21st century America that glorifies the settlers like heros bringing civilization to the savages. For fucks sake, the entire history curriculum in public schools now is nothing but native Americans and later the civil rights movement; you're doing nothing but creating a shit strawman based off an assumption of how American history is taught to make your wehraboo ass look like a victim
What if Germany never invaded Russia? Would Russia have attacked eventually? Could they have held the west?
>>803538
there's always others who will ebemtually find out all the stuff, it's just that he received publicity and just like stupid humans always do, they praise the person not the knowledge. or is he the smartest man there ever was and his findings can never be known about if he didn't exist ?
>>803441
>What the fuck did you just say? If it wasn't for Chris Kyle you'd be speaking Iraqi you fucking communist.
You made me fucking spit my water out, you asshole.
>>803668
The whole point of the war was to conquer European Russia. Not attacking Russia makes no sense.
But hypothetically, I do believe that Britain would eventually sign an armistice around 1942, with Germany evacuating most of France leaving Vichy in place.
Tbh if Hitler would have done this he would probably be the GOAT German politician.
>>803588
I was talking about like in the '80s and shit
>>801683
Moscow would be stalingrad but worse, i don't see how that would help germans
>>801674
If it could have been, it wouldn't have lasted for very long, that's for sure.
>>801674
No, Germans are simply subhumans and couldn't achieve it. ~ Hitler.
That would be gay
>tfw Hitler was not caught by the Soviets.
>You will never see Hitler paraded on the red square.
>claim to be uniting the Germanic people under one flag
>does not even include all Germanic people, and really just rapes Slavs
