What do you think about horseshoe theory? Was fascism and communism literally the same thing under different names?
>>780048
Is being dead and alive literally the same thing? Kill yourself to find out
>>780058
>~/pol/ !! Ids u again :DD
I think you should fuck off back to /b/ you memespawn
>>780058
how is this /pol/ though?
>>780072
How is this /his/?
Maybe he should fuck off to /b/
>>780048
It's shit, like any other model which tries to place political ideology on a simple spectrum with one, or even two axis', but it's better than other models like generic left-right.
>>780079
I'm curious now, what do you think /his/ is for?
>>780088
his small and insignificant ego
>>780088
I'm not sure if it should include political "science".
>>780064
This is clearly about politics not history
So yes, fuck off back to /pol/ you cum guzzling cock loving cunt
>>780048
It's for butthurt libertarians and 16 year olds
>>780119
>going to /pol/ for discussing anything that isn't about cucks or jews
>>780125
/sci/
>>780119
If you notice /pol/ is not a politics board.
Its title is /pol/-Politically Incorrect, not /pol/-Politics
>>780058
desu /pol/ is the best place to witness horseshoe theory in motion
>>780135
/sci/ would laugh their asses off desu
>>780135
Does political science get discussed on /sci/? From what I've seen, it seems like the kind of place that sneers and puts quotations on political science.
>>780048
It's overly simplistic way to tackle the topic
>Was fascism and communism literally the same thing under different names?
No, but that is not what the horseshoe theory argues.
The horseshoe theory is largely correct though.
>>780119
>>780180
>every single aspects of our world that touches with politics and potential conservative/right wing opinions absolutely belong in /pol/
I'm dearly sorry if you can't handle reality but not everything has to hide itself from your oh so open-minded vision if it slighty differs with it.
>>780048
Facism is a political ideology, communism is an economic ideology. You can have a democratic communist country just as you can have a capitalist fascist country.
>Was fascism and communism literally the same thing under different names?
Pretty much. They were both ideologies that insisted that everyone and everything in society ought to be micromanaged to death, and that intervention of the state into everything was the only way to establish a utopian society.
The only difference was that in communism, this utopian society was the dictatorship of the economic working class, and in fascism, it was the dictatorship of a racial body politic
>>780306
>Discussion of modern politics, current events, popular culture, or other non-historical topics should be posted elsewhere
pretty clear m8
>>780353
>wants to discuss politics
>is told to go to the board specifically delineated for political discussion
>hurr stoopid librul
>>780370
/pol/ is for modern day contemporary politics, and world affairs. Politcal theories and science come under both the History and the Humanities part of /his/, and not to mention /pol/ genuinely is too toxic for any kind of rational discussion to take place, if anything /pol/ is the safespace board, where the established consensus is not allowed to be questioned, at least on /his/ you get reasonable debate.
>>780058
>>780082
>>780121
>>780242
>>780331
Good causes like anti-racism or fighting poverty can be abused like any other. It might not reach the same extremes as abuse of religion or hate, but that doesn't mean it is immune to the same corruption that affects everything else. People end up showing the same signs of extremism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAuVQlLxD0
>>780306
to be fair
politics in history = /his/
politics in general = /pol/
>>780420
And that is the root of why horseshoe theory works. Both sides share the same idea of "no bad tactics, only bad targets", which means they'll end up doing and saying similar things.
>>780048
It's a meme.
Communsim is based on materialistic rational analysis (see The Capital), with an economic and sociological theory behind (which you can disagree with). Its heart is the liberation of workers and oppressed classes.
Fascism is heavily based on appeal to emotion, founded on the identity of a nation/race, the notion that the current world is decadent/corrupt and that a minority is directly responsible for it. It's based on the (pseudo) science of race, a nostalgia of the glory days and an heavy appeal to tradition - in sharp contrast of the revolutionary ideal of the Marxists.
Political science shows that the two ideologies in their principles are fundamentally opposed. Were they in practise ?
Well at least Stalin was not trying to create a master race.
>>780338
>racial body politic
>fascism
fascism=/=national socialism
>>780463
>that a minority is directly responsible for it
Like bankers?
>>780206
Dude science is science. They fucking love science
>>780048
Sounds like an absurd means of making linear political theory relevant. Just add another fucking variable/dimension beyond right and left. This curved thing is just a means of people to claim that their ideology is ideal and to group everyone who disagrees with them.
>>780463
They were both dictatorships, just because the nazis were shade more insane doesn't mean we should let the left wing off the hook.
>>780800
Marx didn't thought of the bankers, more of all the bourgeoisie. Which, at the times, held a great power over the lives and deaths of the working class. Weather or not it still does today is up for debate.
>>780864
Communism in the 20th century had been a dictatorship in fact, but in theory (at least) it was not conceived that way.
They were but horseshoe theory doesn't accurately reflect how. Liberal democracy, fascism, and communism are all different forms of democracy. Democracy doesn't mean 'one man one vote,' it describes a condition in which political legitimacy originates in the masses, the demos. This truth is one desperately feared and denied by the plutocrats whose power and wealth are secured by the liberal democratic paradigm, and who fear the rise of aristocracy.
>>780463
>races are pseudoscientific
>but dialectical materialism is not
lmfao
>>780884
>but in theory (at least) it was not conceived that way
>DICTATORSHIP of the proletariat
>>781162
>is NOT FUCKING /pol/ is a obvious "seriously XD" question
Pretty sure the belief that Stalin was a dictator is popular outside /pol/ as well. I am not /pol/. Or maybe I am misunderstanding because I'm not sure exactly what "NOT FUCKING /pol/" and "seriously XD" are supposed to be, I have not seen these memes before.
It is generally ridiculous to try to boil down very complex system with a lot of variables into a simple spectrum of 2 variables.
Of course there are general influences in politics etc., but compare pre-WWII ideologies, with the new right republicans, to the old liberals, anarchists, communists etc. and you'll see that it is much more problematic than a fucking horseshoe.
Of course some could be claimed to have a more "authoritarian regime", but would you claim early American republicans were authoritarian when they despised majority control and several party states because it limited individual freedom? Would you claim that leftist-anarchists are authoritarian, if they like Proudhon, want to limit private property?
There are a lot of examples of this, anyone believing in the ideology spectrum is a retard. Take any two topics and you can give it several answers which would fuck up the universality of this.
Abortion: "Leftists want to allow it!"
Veganism: "Leftists want to encourage it."
If someone considers both animals and fetuses as morally relevant (which is a coherent position); are they left or right?
>>781178
If I remember correctly dictatorship of proletariat means that proletariat is ruling class. Not that is here need to be a dictator like Stalin and friends.
>>781206
>I named it a dictatorship, but you see it's not REAL dictatorship xD
>>780884
Why did the dictators choose communism as an ideology instead of specific policies like elections and the right to peaceably assemble?
>>780048
>Was fascism and communism
If a man calls himself a Scotsman, but has no Scottish ancestry not does he live in Scotland, is he a true Scotsman?
Daily reminder that anyone who doesn't use atleast the 2-D political chart is a pleb
>>781175
Racialism is a physical theory, which is proven false by exact sciences, while dialectic/historical materialism is more, from what I understood, a metaphysical theory which can be argued against with human sciences.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>781234
Both are wankeries based on immidiate perceptions with no scientific ground
>>781216
It was like one word can have multiple meanings or something!
>>781267
Except for socialism, that's STRICTLY the workers owning the production means, no other forms of socialism are valid.
>>781162
You seem so salty.
This thread, and political science in general, fall under the purview of /his/. You may as well deal with it.
Daily reminder that the gommunists killed more than the natzees.
