Why Germany was so buttmad about the Corridor?
>Majority Polish population
>Poland wanted to give away Danzig once the seaport in Gdynia was complete.
>Guaranteed unimpeded extraterritorial rail connection.
What's more to wish?
>>748943
Muh clay
>>748943
a landlocked Poland would be way easier to dominate by Germany
autism
were the Germans in Preussen genocided?
if so, by whom?
>>748943
>implying Kashubians are Poles
Nice meme friend
>>749006
>>implying Kashubians are Poles
>Nice meme friend
Go to Kashubia and deny that they aren't Poles. A punch to the face is guaranteed.
>>749011
> deny that they aren't
I meant, "say they aren't Poles."
>>748999
No, though a lot of them did get killed/raped as the Soviets pushed west. Most of them were forced or chose to relocate within the modern German border, though some did stay, and there are Germans living in the are today.
>>748943
If only that map was the reality of today.
So beautiful.
Independent Danzig as well. Would probably nice to take a cruise too.
>>749058
>Independent Danzig as well. Would probably nice to take a cruise too.
It would probably an impoverished shithole. The irony is that, despite all that Germanic nationalistic trumpeting, Danzig was economically entirely dependent on servicing the Vistula trade, i.e. Poland. The Free City era especially made Danzig fatty, because it served as a free trade area and gateway to Poland - it was within Polish customs area without actually having customs.
So, imagine what would happen once the Polish trade entirely moves to Gdynia and Poland takes active measures to protect its interests.
>>749067
>It would probably an impoverished shithole.
And Gdynia would boom. It was estimated that by 1950s (i.e. once all major planned investment is complete), the city would reach one million inhabitants and become the second largest city in Poland, behind only Warsaw.
>Allowing a regional rival to establish a port they could use to undercut you
Why would they WANT Poland to have the corridor?
>>749067
>It would probably an impoverished shithole.
Perfect place to go to on a cruise
>>749096
This.
This applies back then and still does now.
>>749067
I mean, that's right, but it still survived 150 years cut off from it by borders.
>>749143
During the partitions, Poland still traded largely through Danzig.
>>749157
But Galicia-Lodomeria, the greatest exporter and main user of the Vistula trade slipped into poverty exactly because the high tarrifs made it impossible to trade through Danzig.
>>748943
>Guaranteed unimpeded extraterritorial rail connection.
was this not one of the demands in German ultimatum?
>>749263
>was this not one of the demands in German ultimatum?
No, that's what Germany had from the start. I believe that in the ultimatum Germany wanted actually a strip of land under its sovereignty.
But honestly, the ultimatum was just a sham and everyone knew it. At that time Hitler just wanted war.
>>749274
>No, that's what Germany had from the start
source on this
>>749331
Versailles guaranteed Germany free and unimpeded movement between the Reich and East Prussia and obliged Poland and Germany to sign a treaty on such matter. Said treaty was signed in December 1920 in Warsaw. German trains were excepted from Polish customs and passport control on the condition that they cross Poland sealed and do not stop. Trains started to travel in January 1921.
The whole "Polan doesn't allow German transport" is one of many blatant lies created by Nazi propaganda and perpetuated by generations of retarded Prussiaboos.
>>749377
>>749331
Bolded - railroads used by sealed trains.
>>749377
>>749390
Another treaty was signed in 1926 and regulated technical details that were largely omitted by the quickly-drafted 1920 treaty.
In 1935 a new Polish-German treaty was signed, in order to regulate the growing passenger and cargo traffic. According to official data, in 1935 alone, 3 687 000 tonnes of cargo was shipped through Poland and over 400 000 passengers.
>the German Ultimatum solely dealt with the Corridor issue
>and nothing else
Christ almighty what do they teach you kids in school. There was more tan just danzig, Germany was demanding plebiscites in all contested seceded areas after the Treaty of Versailles with a german majority
>1/4 German
>tfw my home is now Polish
>>748943
>Why Germany was so buttmad about the Corridor?
Probably the same reason why they were so mad about the non sudaten parts of Czechoslovakia
>>750074
Aside from city of Danzig itself, none of these territories had a German majority. Germany had no chance of winning any vote without some serious ballot stuffing and /or terror. Not that they weren't capable of using such methods.
But honestly, at that time no one took Hitler's ultimatums seriously anymore. After Hitler broke his promise in regards to Czechoslovakia, it was obvious that he had no intention to compromise and he simply wants war. The ultimatum to Poland was mostly for Germanys own internal consumption - to justify the war for the population.
>>749023
>Germans in Prussia weren't genocided
Exactly how much is the NKVD paying you?
>>748943
Germans are always buttmad, first it was because other countries didn't let them to have more colonies.
With each lost war they are butmad about terytories closer to home.
>>748943
>Why Germany was so buttmad about the Corridor?
The cake here was Danzig holding several banks filled with gold.
For economy that was going to collapse in few months it was a small treat, but the whole ultimatum was made from the ground up to NOT be accepted by Polish government so they could've also take over their gold reserves.
The earliest part of the war can be called the war on gold because Poland, Denmark and Norway used classical approach to handle economic crisis rather than keynesian(or at least far less "keynesian" than "classical" approach and definitely not "lol who cares about finances" freemason practice Germany did), and as such they've had those gold reserves while German government paid for their weapons in reichsbank checks since early 1939. They've needed some hard-currency, any hard currency they could get.
>>749402
>>749390
>>749377
Don't believe Polish-jew lies.
Luxembourghs(the ones who started revolution which caused Germany's defeat in WW1) were Polish-jews. Von Mannstein was biological son of Polish-Jews and intentionally sabotaged German war effort which lost them WW2. Angela Merkel is Polish-Jew that wants to annihilate Germans.
don't believe the lies.
>>748943
Germans always find something to bitch about
>>748943
>Poland wanted to give away Danzig
The agreement ptoposed by Hitler to Poland had 3 major conditions:
Danzig will become part of Germany and lose its free city status
There will be direct exteritorial motorway and railway through corridor
Germany will renounce claims on Western Poland (corridor, Posen region, Silesia)
Poland disagreed in April 1939, which resulted in war 5 months later
>>748943
Because you cant even construct a sentence.
>>752557
Poland wanted to give Danzig away once Gdynia is complete,so that Polish economy wouldn't be crippled by the sudden loss of main seaport.
The idea of Poland giving away Danzig in the future was tossed by Polish diplomats already in 1920s. The understanding was that the following treaty would resolve all conflicts between the two countries. To safe face, Poland was to get some pro-Polish communes scattered here and there along the border. Poland also wanted that historical monuments related to Polish history in Danzig would be maintained.
It wasn't a public knowledge back then, but Hitler was certainly aware of that proposal. Why did he issue ultimatum then? Because he wanted war. Why Poland rejected the ultimatum? Because Hitler showed that he can't be trusted after he broke the Munich agreement.
>>748943
It really wasn't about any corridor or even Gdansk (which was a free city with a German majority at that time).
In fact Poland had a large port next to Gdansk called Gdynia and a couple years before they themselves proposed Germany a corridor to East Prussia. Remember those facts, people.
It was about alliances. Poland and Germany almost became allies but in the end it didn't happen. Poland chose Great Britain and France and Germany chose Soviet Union. That's about it.
Other than that Poland was ruled by idiots (after Piłsudski's death) and had at least one Soviet spy in the ministry of foreign affairs.
>>752770
>That's about it.
>Other than that Poland was ruled by idiots (after Piłsudski's death)
The commie propaganda is strong in this one.
>>752781
Commie propaganda as taught by the Kraków Conservative school of thought. Beck, Moscicki and Rydz all failed and were more concerned with preserving their power than international affairs.
>>752787
What else could they do? Ally with aliens who would blast Germany work their lasers?
Poland allied in 1939 with what was then considered greatest powers in Europe. That's something that other countries swallowed by Hitler couldn't achieve. Beyond that, things were beyond their control.
>>752799
Great Britain preferred Poland under Russian or German rule since 18th century. Not the most reliable ally you could choose.
And France never cared for Poland. Napoleonic wars (Polish soldiers treated as the worst reserve), Treaty of Locarno (no Polish representant, eastern German border not confirmed).
Also Great Britain and France betrayed Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1939.
Germany was not a good ally, but Poland could allow Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS to pass through the borders and invade Russia. This would allow Germany to reach Moscow faster and have stable supply routes through Poland.
>>752557
You forget the most important condition: Poland will join the Anti-Comintern Pact, which would mean falling into German sphere of influence. It was a sensible decision, as Germany would be rekt in 1939, had the French and Brits attacked.
>>752760
But Hitler offered non-aggression treaty, not an ultimatum. There was no ultimatum or declaration of war on 1st September 1939. Also Poland took part in dividing Czechoslovakia, claiming Zaolzie.
>>752855
So, aliens then? Of course everyone look after their own interests. That's how politics work. But it was still a remarkable achievement to get guarantees from said powers.
Unless you mean Poland allying with Germany, which would become the worst choice Poland's ever made.
>>752536
What does this have to do with anything?
>>752858
Joining Anti-Comitern pact was a different thing, not included in the treaty.
And Western Front was protected by 23 divisions in fortified positions, strong enough to defend for one month. That was enough to support them with other units and defeat Poland later than in reality.
>>752867
Poland already had a non aggression treaty with Germany. Since 1934. Hitler revoked it in late April 1939.
>>752867
They didn't. It was an agreemet with between the governments of Poland and Czechoslovakia as that small speck of land was the home of both Czech and Poles. It was brutally taken by an unauthorized action by a Czech colonel (then officially recognized). After 20 years it was better to everyone that this land was taken by Poles and not someone else. If Poland was cooperating with Germany they would be official allies and Poland would've taken more than just one city and some nearby land.
>>752781
Polish commanders had no maps of Poland, since they were prepared for an easy offensive war and fast victory over Germany. Definitely, Polish goverment was well prepared for war, believing in German paper tanks
>>752536
You mean the same sort of jews germany paid to set of the revolution in Russia?
>>752882
In April 1939, Jozef Beck, Polish minister of foreign affairs, gave a speech in parliament. He disagreed with giving Danzig to Germany and decided not to prolong the NAP for next 25 years. Since then, Germany started preparations for war in Poland.
>>752895
>Polish commanders had no maps of Poland, since they were prepared for an easy offensive war and fast victory over Germany.
Where did you get that from? All plans against Germany were defensive.
Also, Polish army had lots of problems, but they mostly streamed from the fact that it underwent massive rearmament.
>>752895
Care to explain to me why a country with its own tank divisions would believe in German paper tanks?
Wieczorkiewicz, Ziemkiewicz and perhaps even Zychowicz (sure why not) should be translated to English. People really should know... anything about the events leading to fucking WWII.
Can't have it now. People are still in the "corridor/Danzig" phase.
>>752912
Dude! That speech was in response to Hitler's repudiation of the treaty.
Also, he did not say that. I Habs this speech opened right now.
>>752926
Polish treaty with the Brits was more important. Hitler was legit mad about that.
>>752924
>Wieczorkiewicz, Ziemkiewicz and perhaps even Zychowicz (sure why not) should be translated to English. People really should know... anything about the events leading to fucking WWII.
Because they are bullshitters and English language has its own fair share of crackpots.
>>752913
Biography of Polish pilot and commander. I'll give more info when I'll return home
>>752887
You forget that Poles expulsed 30 000 Czechs from Transolsia, as well as helped Hungarians occupy Slovakia. That was a totally retarded action, as Czechoslovakia might've been a valuable ally in 1939 and even be forced to cede Transolsa, if helped to defy Munich agreements.
>>752876
Even if fall of Poland was inevitable, Germany still wouldn't match combined forces of Brits and French. Even during invasion of France, they still were at a quantity disadvantage, not to mention, when half their forces would be fighting Poles. It took a month to take Poland, even with Soviet help.
>>752938
The only thing that Wieczorkiewicz might've been wrong about was the matryoshka conspiracy. He liked this sort of stuff. Secret wars and spies. Other than that he was always brutally honest and not afraid to shit on national heroes but he was never doing it just because.
>>752941
Czech don't fight.
>>752924
>Zychowicz
his ultranationalist mumble wouldn't sell abroad
