Can we argue that Satan is actually the good guy and God the bad guy?
>God created humans as mindless naked animals for his own amusement, to roam the Garden of Eden for all eternity with no purpose at all
>Satan as a snake gave humans the apple
>he gave us self-awareness and free will
>he freed us from the tyranny of god
>made us question our nudity, and thus develop morality
>God punished us for this, instead of appreciating the development
>God ordered his prophets to write a shitload of propaganda texts portraying himself as the only good and Satan as pure evil
>throughout the bible, God actually kills many more people than Satan
Sod off gnostic
We can argue that OP is the gay guy.
>>949411
>>949412
Go away, Christcucks
Also, OP: I don't think the snake was originally any kind of Satanic figure, and this was a later invention/interpolation that occurred after the Babylonian Captivity, the mixing of Hellenic ideas during the Seleucids, and the contributions of early Jewsih-Christian gnostics such as Valentinus.
In its earliest incarnation, the snake was simply a trickster figure.
Fun fact: Satan in Jewish tradition is merely an angel tasked with testing humans: he is completely under God's control and completely loyal to God. Hence why the story of Job makes more sense in a Jewish context than a Christian one.
>>949403
>1. And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals 〈of the earth〉 and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. 2. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl,
~Book of Enoch, Ch. 8.
>>949403
>god decides to make stuff
>fine at first, everyone involved is having a good time
>until Satan shows up and starts shitting all over the place
Kind of like we were all having a good time until you showed up, OP.
>>949440
>Book of Enoch
>canonical
Then I can say the Secret Gospel of Mark with its homosexual depiction of Jesus or the Syriac Childhood Gospel with a whimsical killing Jesus are canon too, then.
>>949403
look what both of them did to poor Job over a cheeky bet
>>949418
The story of Job doesn't make sense at all. What omnipotent and omniscient God is so easily cucked into fucking Job's shit up?
>>949465
Not him, but Enoch should definitely be canon, I wonder why they didn't include it (other than Ethiopian Orthodox Church). It's in alignment with Biblical orthodoxy and even the apostles quoted Enoch.
>>949469
Because the early Jews never thought of YHWH as being a perfectly upright or omnipotent being. He was merely their patron war god. Powerful, but not omnipotent; """righteous""", but only to Israel (and even then, this was contingent on how much they pleased him). Even in the Genesis, YHWH does not create ex nihilo - he creates the world out of the already pre-existing primordial waters, like many other creation deities.
The "perfection" and "omnipotence" of God are the result of Neo-Platonic thought introduced gradually by Greeks and Romans during the Second Temple period and the Christians later on trying to have a pissing contest with the Roman deities.
>>949482
Israelites, not Jews.
>>949403
In the Babylion creation myth that Genesis borrows from the Gods literally created humans as a slave race.
>>949475
Fuck off heretic.
>>949469
Well the simple reason is that in the origenal Jewish version God isn't all knowing and all powerful.
In Job God is surprised at the outcome and says he had Job tortured "for nothing". The whole reason he deploys Satan is because he wants to learn stuff. This shows he has limited knowledge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KP3R6XyqZw
Lucifer is the light of the world.
>>949469
Being omniscient, God has no concentrated self to speak of. Being a part of everything, God has no opportunity to distinguish self from non-self. However, as God knows the thoughts of humans, through the thoughts of his creation he can experience what self-awareness is. God develops empathy and love through his confrontation with Job, and out of it a new relationship between God and humankind is born.
>>949492
>all of apocrypha is heretical
Babby's first theology debate?
>>949507
No, it was simply that the Israelites never conceived of God as either omnipotent, omniscient, or even perfect. He was just some wrathful - but powerful - deity one prayed to for good crops, victory in battle, and many children.
>>949479
Probably because he went through utter hell and his family was still dead after the whole thing.
>>949539
Yeah God killed his children for his retarded test. Children had no clue wtf was going on. One moment they are having a meal than their house collapses on them.
Also there is no after-life in the origenal Jewish version.
The message of Job in the origenal Hebrew, is ironically the opposite of what Christians turned it into: God ISN'T just, in fact he has trouble with empathy, and there is no ultimate justice in the world. The solution it gives you is to tough it out and accept that morality goes unrewarded.
>>949507
So the maker of everything had no concept of empathy, but created it in humans and had to test it to learn about it? Wow
>>949403
So many god shills in this thread, holy fuck
>>949403
>>God created humans as mindless naked animals for his own amusement, to roam the Garden of Eden for all eternity with no purpose at all
Lie
>>Satan as a snake gave humans the apple
Lie
>>he gave us self-awareness and free will
Lie
>>he freed us from the tyranny of god
Lie
>>made us question our nudity, and thus develop morality
Lie
>>God punished us for this, instead of appreciating the development
Lie
>>God ordered his prophets to write a shitload of propaganda texts portraying himself as the only good and Satan as pure evil
Lie
>>throughout the bible, God actually kills many more people than Satan
This should concern you very much, because not only did God kill them, but He cast their souls into hellfire.
So no. We cannot argue, if you're going to do nothing but lie.
>>949403
Not really, since the bible is pretty explicit (go look up Job) that Satan is an angel working for God.
>>949620
/pol/ learned that being Christian on the internet was a good way to be contrarian. /his/ responded after by learning that going back to being atheist was a good way to be contrarian in regards to 4chan itself. The Christians responded by doubling down into fundamentalist lunacy.
>>949564
Just pure evil.
>>949612
Well I can't wait for someone to "usurp" this current one
>>949618
Dontcha know satan worshipers know God better than God's children?
>>949403
>gave us self-awareness and free will
Knowledge of Good and Evil, which brought Sin into existence. Thanks for that, Satan.
>he freed us from the tyranny of God
Adam and Eve were living in paradise with literally one rule to follow. Fuck that.
>made us question our nudity, and thus develop morality
Which is a net negative. If man was an animal following the rules of nature, and nature being an extension of God's will, then man would be performing good whether or not he knew it. Now man can do evil and shun good. Which is not good.
>God punished us for this, instead of appreciating the development
What is the New Covenant
>Propaganda texts
Whatever you say, buddy
>Throughout the Bible, God kills many more people than Satan
People corrupted by Satan, desu.
And looking at it all from a literary standpoint, Satan represents bestial urges and selfish indulgence that constitutes evil, and God represents active love and selflessness that constitutes good.
>>949635
There is only One God.
The relationship between the One God and man is different under the Old Covenant and under the New.
The Old Covenant is God's part in defining satan's gospel; use your knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, and be like God.
>>949633
Nonsense. You were wrong on /pol/ and you're wrong here.
>>949638
>selfishness and indulgence are bad
Spooky
>>949637
It's like those kids who always get detention and shit but end up building a relationship with the authority who put them there.
>>949642
In organizing a stable and successful society, yes it is bad. The western focus on individualism is fairly overrated, in my opinion.
>>949638
>Knowledge of Good and Evil, which brought Sin into existence.
God, being omniscient, knew this would happen. Ergo, God chose for this to happen.
>Adam and Eve were living in paradise with literally one rule to follow. Fuck that.
Adam and Eve were living like rabbits in a cage.
>Which is a net negative.
I'd rather be able to choose between good and evil than live in accordance with "good" as an arbitrary feature of God's existence that strips the word of all of its meaning as a value-judgement.
>What is the New Covenant
Something that came after many thousands of years of punishment, and implemented in the most idiotic way possible.
>Whatever you say, buddy
He's right though. We're just expected to take God's word for it that Satan is the bad guy in a book that was commissioned by him.
>People corrupted by Satan, desu.
And Stalin only killed counter-revolutionaries and class-traitors.
>And looking at it all from a literary standpoint, Satan represents bestial urges and selfish indulgence that constitutes evil, and God represents active love and selflessness that constitutes good.
Neither of those sound inherently good or evil.
>>949638
>Which is a net negative. If man was an animal following the rules of nature, and nature being an extension of God's will, then man would be performing good whether or not he knew it. Now man can do evil and shun good. Which is not good.
So man would be better off as a literal slave to god?
>>949658
That logic doesn't follow. Stable society is entirely to our own egoistic benefit, and the initial organization of a stable society likely had an entirely egoistic reason behind it. You're just a Christcuck whose mind is so thoroughly cucked that you can't imagine selfishness as anything but inherently evil.
>>949479
Dude still lost his family and friends. You could argue he got new ones after God completely rekted his shit, but I would imagine just replacing loved ones like that isn't so easy
>>949648
Yup. Stockholm Syndrome.
>>949658
Oh, yes, the eastern countries are just utopian.
>>949671
Unless you care about possessions more
>>949671
It's not. But look beyond the veil, and know that Job was reunited with all of his dead children, in heaven, forever.
>>949492
Fuck you, puppet. You barely even understand what religion is. You're so stuck on the idea of a single dogmatic story that you haven't even realized that Humans invented God, not the other way around. Think a little bit more, stop taking things at face value. You're seeing the image of the situation not it's essence.
>>949475
It's heretical. Jude almost didn't make canon due to quoting one small phrase from the book.
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, did not write that book; it did not survive the Flood; it did not make it 2500 years into the gospel era.
>>949504
While Lucifer can appear as an angel of light, he is a liar, and a thief, and a murderer, and has been so since the beginning of the world.
Jesus is the light of the world, not satan.
>>949507
What utter rubbish.
>>949688
Prove it.
It's hilarious watching basic historical facts blow up preconcienved ideas about God.
The origenal God of the bible wasn't all powerful, he wasn't all knowing, he wasn't perfectly good, he didn't even create everything in the universe, hell he wasn't even the only God there was! Also Satan was his friend.
The modern concept of God is derived from Platonic philosophy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
Here watch this. This is what generally considered the historical truth of the old testament. If you go to a religious studies class at college this is what they will be teaching.
>>949691
Christianity would have been better if they had just stuck with neo-Platonism.
>>949690
Everything properly in the bible is true.
2 Corinthians
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
>>949673
You know that's a bullshit statement. China was the most powerful nation on the planet before 1800. Imperialism, developed first in Europe,, fucked up Asia so badly it is only just now recovering.
>>949691
What the papists and gnostics believe derive from Plato.
What the Christians believe does not.
You are basically biblically illiterate, and saying that the God who speaks the universe into existence isn't all powerful is absurd.
>>949700
Yes, such a paradise for peasants. You born poor, you die poor! You like poor! Poor is for you!
They live on, what, $0.18 a day?
Paradise!
>>949691
>BCE
Triggered!
>>949698
>this circular bullshit
So you have no proof.
>>949695
That's basically what Gnostisism was.
The thing is that the Christianity that prevailed wanted to turn the crucifixion of Jesus into the most important event in the history of the world. In contrast something like the Gospel of Thomas (heretical neo-platonic text) saw the crufixation as unimportaint and the real meat and bones was about achieving a proper mind-set: the "kingdom of heaven" wasn't a life after death but a state of mind.
The crufixation based religion was Paul's idea. It was a type of Christianity popular with the poor and oppressed since it was seemed in martyrology. The religion became about a martyr that embraces his death and promises a reward to those that imitate him, canonical church fathers like Irenius write orgamsimically about how excited they will be to be killed and you had cases of people intentionally causing trouble to get themself a death sentence.
Overall the Gnostic/Neo-platonic Christianity was popular with the elite or well off while Paul's Christianity was for the plebs.
>>949660
>God, being omniscient, knew this would happen. Ergo, God chose for this to happen.
Then does that not constitute "appreciation for the development", as OP put it? He gave up his only son so that we could be put on an even playing field again.
>Adam and Eve were living like rabbits in a cage.
The world's one big cage, m8. I'd rather live in Eden without a clue than in a shitty apartment knowing what evil was.
>I'd rather be able to choose between good and evil than live in accordance with "good"
I guess that's where we disagree.
>He's right though. We're just expected to take God's word for it that Satan is the bad guy in a book that was commissioned by him.
And yet you can see this theme reiterated in apocrypha and writings depicted as heretical. Where are the texts in favor of Satan?
>And Stalin only killed counter-revolutionaries and class-traitors.
I'll admit you got me there. The Passion is in a ways repentance for God himself, however. The Christian god is no longer the angry god of the Old Testament
>Neither of those sound inherently good or evil.
Because good and evil are given value by society. These holy books were written by societies that valued social cohesion and restraint, and these are reflected in the depiction of good and evil.
>>949715
It's linear.
Everything in the bible is true because everything in the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.
If you want to call the Holy Spirit of God a liar, you are free to do so, and then not free to escape the consequences thereof.
You see circles because you do not see clearly enough to know that there is a God.
>>949706
You know that's a bullshit statement. Peasants are treated like shit in every country and in every time period.
>>949725
The resurrection, not the crucifixion. If Jesus was killed and stayed dead, there would be no Christianity.
Your lies about Paul are anathema.
>>949731
Yes, so eastern countries are shit, which was my point. How many died under Mao? How many tens of millions were murdered by their own government?
Paradise!
>>949701
>You are basically biblically illiterate, and saying that the God who speaks the universe into existence isn't all powerful is absurd.
Go read the Genesis story. Try and find the passaage where God creates water: he doesn't. In fact the easiest reading is that water is as old as the Gods.
I say Gods because in the Hebrew version it's multiple Gods making things out of primordial water. Also the part about a "firment" describes how the sky is made of water (hence why rain exists) and how everything below the earth is water (the source of rivers and lakes
>>949736
Mao purposefully went again traditional thought. Please quit memeing until you have a solid grasp of what you are talking about.
>>949732
What happened to Jesus's body almost doesn't matter because Paul never even met the guy.
You know Jesus's brother James? He thought Paul was a fucking con artist and accused him of trying to destroy the religion.
Today Jame's Gospel of the Hebrews is destroyed and lost forever because it's heresey.
Meanwhile Paul is responsible for half the new testament.
Don't you find that odd?
>>949685
"God" aka "The will of secret societies" wants to make you into a soulless robot so it can Immanentize the Eschaton and bring about stagnant peace. It's not "New world order" it's "One world order" and they've been guiding the world towards what they think might be enlightenment since time immemorial.
>>949738
Don't be absurd.
Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Is that clear enough for you? Is water part of "all things"?
>>949738
>in the Hebrew version it's multiple Gods
Wrong again.
Elohim, while a plural word, is used in the singular sense. "Let us make mankind in our image."
"And God made mankind in His image."
A plural word, for a singular entity.
Hmmmmm, where does that come up again?
>>949740
So, Mao had nothing to do with eastern countries being shit. Got it. I wonder if those tens of millions of murdered people would agree with you. Or the billion under the boot of Red China right now, eking an existence out of the dirt.
Paradise!
>>949745
Paul spent three years with Jesus in Arabia.
A fact I've told you many times, that you completely ignore because you're a reprobate.
Paul directly says, in the bible, that he received revelations directly from Jesus.
When we say Jesus is alive, we mean Jesus is alive.
>>949745
>You know Jesus's brother James?
Yeah, the Judaizer. If there was no Paul, there would be nobody saved under James' doctrine. Being circumcised, baptized, and following the Law of Moses is not salvation. It's Judaism.
>>949745
>Jame's Gospel of the Hebrews
Paul wrote Hebrews. If you want to make a case for Apollos writing Hebrews, go ahead and make it. Nobody makes a case for James being the author.
>>949745
>Don't you find that odd?
I find it odd that you can't figure out that Paul knows Jesus better than Jesus' disciples and family do, and that Paul knows the New Covenant better than all the apostles combined.
I find that odd, yes. Because Paul was Saul, killing Christians, when the so-called pillars of the faith were Judaizing people openly in the Temple.
The Jews didn't care about people Judaizing people in the temple.
They cared very much that the New Covenant was taught in the temple, and went to kill Paul.
Just like they killed Jesus.
>>949738
Not the idiot you're responding to but
>I say Gods because in the Hebrew version it's multiple Gods making things out of primordial water.
Isn't quite right. In the creation accoutn, the tower of Babel, and there's one other incident I'm blanking on at the moment, you see a pattern of
>God says, we, plural, shall do X
>Next verse has God, singular, doing X.
I know the mainstream interpretation of that is the artifact of previous polythesitic beliefs leaving traces in a later composition that was at the very most henotheist, but it doesn't quite ring true, at least not to me. It's too regular, you'd expect something less patterned if it was some failed attempt to stamp out previous polytheistic notions.
>>949786
All I said was that focus on individualism is a little overrated. I'm not saying anything else is "paradise". It can be argued rather effectively that China was the dominant civilization on the planet for most of history. The "century of humiliation" was caused directly by foreign intervention and imperialism. This is a similar pattern for most of Asia. It is only just now recovering from getting its ass fucked.
>>949790
And how do we know that Paul spent three years with Jesus in Arabia?
Did anyone else than him write about it?
>reprobate
Is that like the Christian version of "Retarded"`?
>>949748
So God, who warned people about the coming Antichrist's NWO, is the one who wants you to be in the NWO.
It's not enlightenment satan is after. It's worship.
>>949810
There are two explanations for this. One is that the Hebrews used a plural ending on Elohim in order to demonstrate that God is not bound by anything, name, or even number.
The second is that the inspired Word of God lays a trail of breadcrumbs so that the seeker can find that God is a triune spirit being; that He is indeed three persons in one being. Father, Son and Spirit, One God. Unity in diversity.
>>949810
You back up what I say, and I'm an idiot.
What does that make you?
>>949403
Satan Goliath was a good gay. God gave him strength and a tall body. While David religion don't allowed convert others people to religion of David, Satan Goliath religion allow this. Obliviously Satan Goliath just have a another Faith that David, and may be too monotheistic.
Daily reminder Paul the homosexual and neurotic obsessive Hellene hijacked the Christian religion.
Paul preached a number of doctrines that were considered disgusting and pagan by James and Peter (who had actually spoken with Jesus).
For one, James and Peter held Jesus to be an annointed human (Messiah) and prophet: at no point did they believe he was pre-existent or that he was God, as Paul taught.
The Bible is written in a pro-Paulian light, seeing as Paul's epistles were written down before the Gospels had coalesced, and as such, when the Gospels were being transcribed, they were written down through the lens of Paulian thought.
The Jerusalem Church of Peter and James was destroyed and scattered due to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, leaving Paul in Asia Minor free to spread his cult.
Luckily, a few hints still remain in the Bible that speak to us of the conflict between Paul and the Jerusalem Church: the Incident at Antioch (in which Paul was BTFO'd), the interpolation of "Jesus' hometown/family rejection". The original disciples believed Paul to be a lunatic at best, and possibly a demon.
It is safe to say that Christianity as it is today is based completely on Paul's teachings: the original teachings of Jesus are lost and may never be known, thanks to the persecution of the Ebionite 'heretics' under the Church.
>>949812
It isn't. It's always been about a one-on-one relationship between man and God.
When countries insert themselves into the God role, they outlaw God and you get Statism.
>>949826
Because it says so in the bible.
No, a reprobate is a person who calls someone good, Paul, evil.
>>949777
Genesis was written by annonymous Rabbis, who plagirzed half the stuff from other religions.
Colossians is written by Paul, a man who didn't even have a decent grasp on the old testament writing a letter to some churches.
They are not going to synch up. They are written by different people with different agendas.
>>949782
>A plural word, for a singular entity.
>Hmmmmm, where does that come up again?
The Babylionian creation myth that Genesis plagerized, Yahweh, his wife, Marduk, and the Ba'al and the rest of the gang.
The concept of the trinity is not part of Judaism. Moses literally goes and see's the face of God and he isn't described as being triniterian.
>>949795
>Paul spent three years with Jesus in Arabia.
How gulliable are you? Some guy says he knew Jesus for 3 years with no way of proving and you beleive it? Dude I've been with Jesus for 6 YEARS. He personally told me that everything Paul said is a lie.
>>949840
Goliath's god lost. satan lost. satan's already lost.
The only thing more idiotic than satan's rebellion against God is people joining it when it already lost.
>>949841
Daily Reminder that getting your information from homosexuals about God never ends up in the truth.
>>949795
Paul was Satan's right hand man. He sent Paul to destroy the true Christianity and replace it with a false one. The New Testament is the book of the devil.
>>949845
Are you him I answered to or something else?
And where in the bible is it written? Does anyone else than paul tell about how Paul met Jesus, as in not having heard of it after Paul was done?
>>949851
The most cowardly thing one can do is join the "winning" side simply out of fear, despite knowing the "winner" is morally wrong and oppressive. That's true cowardice.
>>949841
I'm going to take one more shot at getting through your reprobate mind.
Imagine Adolph Hitler, in 1944, suddenly converts to Judaism and goes to the Jews in Auschwitz, and says he is one of them now.
What sort of reception do you think he would receive?
>>949844
No, it's always been a relationship between a Christian community and God. Not only in history the bible as well.
>>949848
They absolutely synch up, because they're all in the bible, and the bible is the inspired Word of God.
That you say waters pre-existed God, based on the Hebrew, is foolish. The Hebrew does not say that water was eternal.
Paul is the greatest of all the apostles, and what he says, goes.
Your satanic counterfeit of a Babylonian religion has nothing to do with God, but with satan.
Why don't you just openly worship satan? Ashamed of being associated with edgy pre-teens overloading on black makeup?
>>949858
What does your idiotic analogy have to do with Paul? It is established fact that Paul never met Jesus in his life; it is established there existed conflict between him and the Jerusalem Church (i.e. original disciples of Jesus) over theological issues.
What is there to argue?
>>949853
Saul was satan's right hand man.
Then Jesus flipped him, and Saul became Paul.
You seem highly ignorant of this transformation, because you do not know the power of God.
And you cannot read.
>>949403
> >God created humans as mindless naked animals for his own amusement, to roam the Garden of Eden for all eternity with no purpose at all
Why is this bad?
Never mind that:
>created for his own amusement
>roam the Garden of Eden for eternity with no purpose
Pick one.
>>949854
Galatians 1
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
Then after
three years
I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.
>>949867
>Paul
>greatest
The greatest irony of all is that what might have remained of Jesus' actual words and teachings was gathered up and destroyed by the Pauline (i.e. ""Orthodox"") Christians, when the Church began to hunt down the Ebionites, the descendants of the Jerusalem Church.
>>949856
The most rational thing a man can do is be reconciled with His Creator, and live with His Creator forever in heaven.
The most irrational is to join a demon who hates you in eternal fire.
But Satan didn't give us free will.
He made us realize the free will was inside us all along.
>>949878
Well, Christ spoke to me and told me Paul was a liar.
That settles that: you can't say I'm wrong, I've got the Holy Spirit telling me Paul was a liar, faggot.
>>949859
Nope. Adam and Eve, walking in the Garden of Eden, with the Lord. That's the ideal; that's what we're headed for, but on steroids.
Each individual saved person does make up the Body, with Jesus as the Head, but it's all done on a person by person basis.
You cannot join a group, and have the group get you saved. Cannot be done.
>>949878
So you got no texts at all about Paul meeting Jesus not written by Paul?
>>949869
Saul was murdering Christians for years.
Suddenly he says he's a Christian too.
It's like you're completely illiterate.
>>949879
I have no part of the Jerusalem church, and the Jerusalem church, by the later writings of Peter, finally understood Paul.
2 Peter 3
Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
You are the untaught and unstable person.
>>949884
He lied to mankind, stole the earth from mankind, and killed mankind.
He is a liar, and a thief, and a murderer, from the beginning of the world.
>>949887
You will be repaid to your face.
Satan's master-plan is that humans will use their free-will and creativity that he awakened in them to eventually become god-like interdimensional cyborgs that will one day invade heaven and absolutely annihilate god and all his angels. Thus leading in a new age where universes will be created that aren't absolute shit tier places full of nothing but suffering.
>>949903
You mean god, because I'm pretty sure that's what YHWH spent the entire bible doing.
>>949889
Satan is forbidden from saying that Jesus came down in the flesh, so when Doubting Thomas demanded to see the wounds, Jesus showed him the wounds.
Bodily resurrected from the grave, and in power over satan in all things.
>>949894
Saul never murdered any Christians.
First of all, why would the Jewish High Priests send him to capture Christians in Damascus? Damascus wasn't even a Jewish city, and therefore, was not under the religious jurisdiction of the Jewish Priesthood. The Priests only had jurisdiction in the province of Judea, not in the province of Roman Phoenicia, where Damascus was located.
Paul was a Greek who came/was sent to Jerusalem, worked as a henchman for the priesthood doing some spying and such, and then decided to create his own religion when he got tired of taking orders.
Idiot.
>>949911
>and in power over satan in all things.
But Satan doesn't dole out death, god does.
>>949902
Dude. The Jersualem church was DESTROYED by Paul's men. The fact that they were still calling him a phony up to the end shows something.
The writings that were allowed in the New Testament are the one's that made Paul look good, not necessarily historically accurate.
>>949913
Acts 22
I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers’ law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today. 4 I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women, 5 as also the high priest bears me witness, and all the council of the elders, from whom I also received letters to the brethren, and went to Damascus to bring in chains even those who were there to Jerusalem to be punished.
Blinded Jew, when will you see?
>>949921
The act of sin introduced death into the world. that sin was instigated by satan.
>>949926
But it was god that decided that unleashing infinite death and suffering on mankind for using their inherent free will.
Satan just made him show his true face for the tyrannical monster he really is.
>>949923
Nobody in the Jerusalem church called Paul a phony. They knew him for a Christian killer, and were wary of him, but again, when Paul demonstrated more knowledge about Jesus, and more knowledge about the New Covenant, they realized that he had been saved.
Nobody in the bible called Paul a phony. Even the Gentiles called him a god.
James is an asshole, and a Judaizer, and didn't care what Paul taught to the Gentiles, because James didn't give a care for the Gentiles, at all.
It's not until Acts 10 that Peter stumbles on the fact that Gentiles are actually getting saved, without becoming Jews first.
>>949839
A stopped clock is right twice a day. It's still broken.
>>949935
Not for using. For misusing. For believing the devil over God. For joining the devil in his rebellion against God.
>>949938
You have no love for the truth.
>>949924
Explain to me why the Priesthood is dispatching Paul to Damascus in Roman Phoenicia, when the jurisdiction of the Jewish Priesthood was limited to the province of Judea? That was one of the conditions that the Romans established when the Jews were vassalized as a Roman tributary: that their Priesthood would have jurisdiction over religious matters within the province of Judea, but not outside of it.
Please, explain this to me.
>>949939
Misusing what exactly? Who did they harm by doing it?
Clearly the devil is right to rebel against god, if the penalty for doing your own thing and not hurting anyone is being sentenced to a cosmic inter-generational gulag called Earth.
>>949913
The priests actually didn't have jurisdiction anywhere; the Sanhedrin did at that time. And you wouldn't think the "Pharisee" Saul would have worked with a Saducee priestly establishment.
>>949944
Let me see if I understand your point.
You are saying that the Jewish leaders had no authority over JEWS in Damascus, yet they sent Paul to go kill CHRISTIANS in Damascus.
Is that your point?
>>949830
Can you stop talking like god is some sort of skydaddy entity? The actual god is the conglomeration of all information in the universe built into a coherent continuum. The essence of 11th dimensional physics is the irrationality of emotion and God doesn't want us dabbling in that. You don't know fucking anything, you're stuck on belief in a story where symbolism is the only worthwhile thing contained within the pages.
>>949851
Fuck the rebellion and fuck god. Humanity will find it's own path past these belief systems that bind it to perpetuity. The divine beings can go eat shit.
>>949950
They instantly died. And you were born dead. That's a huge problem; huge enough to require the death of God to overcome.
>>949978
That guy is the equivalent of BLM, saying that the Jews did nothing wrong regarding the murder of their own Messiah. That the account of the insanely illegal trial of Jesus is proof that it never happened. That the Jews had no authority over JEWS in Damascus would stop them from killing dispersed CHRISTIANS in Damascus.
I'll tell you what I've told him a dozen times.
2 Corinthians
Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
>>949986
That's exactly what He is to me. My Daddy. So no, I cannot see Him in any other light.
And I'd never be so foolish as to see Him as my enemy, as you do.
Do you have any way to kill God? To overcome the Almighty?
Do you think men killed Him the last time He was here?
>>949989
Literally everything you write is inaccurate, and stems from your "Jews dindu nuffin" attitude.
>>949989
So you retract your asinine statement that no Jew would have cleared Saul to persecute Christians in Damascus?
Is reprobate a legit thing or is it just a way for fundies to say "You don't understand what I mean because God didn't intend you to!"?
>>949974
Saul wasn't a Pharisee. He claimed to be one so that his story about "converting" would be much more dramatic, and so he could claim he knew about Old Testament prophecies (Peter and James did not believe Jesus to have fulfilled any of the Old Testament "prophecies").
On the other hand, what Paul taught shows little knowledge of Jewish religious thought while displaying more knowledge of Platonic thought, Greek mystery religion (particularly that of Attis), and philosophy. He was a Greek.
>>949989
The Sanhedrin was given some leeway in Roman Judea due to their actions as collaborators and in thanks for keeping the population from outright revolting.
And in any case, what you said makes Paul's testament even less convincing: the Priesthood had no power to arrest anyone, not even in their own province.
Paul's story is still obviously made-up.
>>949403
Seems like we got a Cathar Heretic
>>950060
You can't say that, since practically nothing remains that could give us any indication of what the Cathars believe aside from what their enemies recorded.
>>950013
No, the Sanhedrin had the primary legal domain in Roman Iudea. Go look up Josephus. The Priesthood did have members on the body, but did not control it.
>>950016
No, and furthermore, I didn't make the original statement. I'm saying that not only did the High Priest not have authority to persecute people in Damascus, he didn't even have religious authority to do so in Jerusalem.
>>950036
Well, yes, but it wasn't some special Judean dispensation. Early on in the empire, quite a few of the conquered people had large segments of local government, as long as the taxes were paid on time, the Romans weren't interested in overturning all the petty kings and chiefs and notables.
IIRC, the only place the priesthood though had authority to arrest people was on the Temple grounds itself, there's something I'd have to go mucking through the Mishnah to find the exact citation for, but I seem to remember them arresting a couple of people who got really drunk one Passover and letting their roasting fires get out of control.
>>949939
>misusing
It was God that decided it was a misuse. Ergo God decided to unleash sin for Adam and Eve using their free will. God is not inherently right because he is God, that is for us, the beings endowed with the means to make value judgements to decide.
This thread is bait.
>Antichrism / Gnosticism / Luciferianism
>ever
You can share the lake of fire with the atheists.
>>950028
How do you know what Paul was?
>>950073
Yup. More "Jews dindu nuffin" unsubstantiated opinion.
>>950077
>Criticism and disagreement is bait.
Christians really are truly incapable of taking what they dish. You're a bunch of miserable cowards in all aspects of life. You submit to your faith out of fear for your death, and you avoid criticism of your faith for fear of having to make it stand on its merits.
>>950074
No, they died instantly, when they used their free will.
They died, and were just as dead as you are right now.
After they died, then they were punished. Man with thorns and working by the sweat of his brow, women in painful childbirth, the serpent by crawling in the dust, and the earth itself was cursed.
That all happened after the natural consequences of Adam and Eve dying the instant they sinned, disobeyed God, believed the devil, and followed the devil's gospel.
The same gospel you follow.
>>950082
The Jews did quite a lot, but Paul's "biography" in Acts is obviously wrong on many accounts, and persecuting people in Damascus on a High Priest's letter of authority is one of them, especially for a "Pharisee" like Saul/Paul.
>>950083
You must be joking. All of the antichristian "arguments" in this thread are absurd.
>>950090
Reject Jesus as the Messiah.
Illegal trial of Jesus.
Murder of Jesus.
Murder of followers of Jesus.
What was that they did right again?
>>950092
They only seem that way because emotional baggage prevents you from evaluating them critically. It's truly amazing the layers of armour faith provides you against all aspects of life. Not a Christian out there has actually lived life.
>>950102
But he is giving you proof for why the Jews couldn't have persecuted Christians in Damascus, how is that wrong?
>>950102
>Reject Jesus as the Messiah.
He didn't fulfill the criteria. So why shouldn't they reject him? The British government more adequately fits the description.
>>950107
>Not a Christian out there has actually lived life.
More absurdity.
>>950111
Because the Jews did persecute Christians, or at least attempted to with Saul, before Saul was stopped by the risen Christ Jesus.
He's saying what happened in the past couldn't have happened, because the Jews dindu nuffin.
Seriously.
>>950092
I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why Paul claims to be on way to Damascus to arrest people on order of the High Priests when the Romans stripped the Priesthood of any such authority when they vassalized Israel.
They didn't have the authority to arrest in Roman Judea, much less in Roman Phoenecia. Explain.
>>950115
Not in the slightest. Every Christian is insulated from life by countless layers of faith, each acting as a filter protecting them from its hardships. It's pathetic.
>>950112
He did, and He even fulfilled their own personal criteria of casting demons out of a deaf, dumb and blind man.
You Jews crack me up. You reject your own Messiah, and then blame the Messiah for not instituting the Kingdom that comes with accepting the Messiah.
I just want to tell you guys that it's kinda pointless to argue with a fundamentalist about the morals of God since according to a fundamentalist humans are clearly sinful and everything God says is correct.
The only way is to just point out places where God in some way contradict his own moral standings, if there are any.
>>950119
>Because the Jews did persecute Christians, or at least attempted to with Saul, before Saul was stopped by the risen Christ Jesus.
Do you have any proof of these claims? Because he's bringing up actual historical proof, like the fact the Romans stripped them of this authority and would have viciously hate-fucked them to death if they chose to attempt it anyway.
>>950121
Jews dindu nuffin.
No way Jews would round up Christians and kill them. Jews never break any rules. Jews never break any laws. Jews are too nice. Meet my uncle Schlomo here. Very nice guy. Wouldn't kill Christians.
Therefore Saul didn't either.
>>950092
Every single human on Earth is either with Christ or Antichrist.
By rejecting/ignoring God, you open yourself op for satanic deceptions.
Atheists are retarded.
>>950008
Not him but you sound like a fucking kid plugging his ears screaming lalalala. You're not even hearing his point. You're blinded by how he's articulating it
>>950123
Too funny, that you're telling me I have not lived life, when you haven't a clue who I am. Wouldn't matter if I did. You'd just move the goalposts and say "most" Christians.
And you'd be wrong again.
>>950128
>He did, and He even fulfilled their own personal criteria of casting demons out of a deaf, dumb and blind man.
Prove it.
Also, I'm probably less Jewish than you.
>>950121
>no one in history has ever exceeded the limits of their authority
>>950129
That should be self-evident, that everything God says is correct. He is God. He's not wrong, and He's not a liar.
By what basis do you doubt what God says? The word of a snake?
Is Judas in Hell or Heaven?
>>950133
Yes. A statement against interest Saul made, and I posted, above in this thread. That's called evidence. It's a confession.
>>950141
No, I mean all Christians. Christianity by its very nature is meant to insulate you from life, to prevent you from having to face its hardships and accept its truths. You may have once lived life, if you weren't Christian, but you ceased to do so once you became Christian.
>>950139
Correct. But they are blind, and captive, and hostage in a war they don't know is waging about them. They need to be rescued. Even if they lash out at the rescuers, they need to be rescued.
>>950155
>Saul made
So, you have his claims. That's called testimony. It's not evidence.
>>950140
His definition of God is obtuse and baseless. Mine is real and personal. You can develop whatever relationship with your creator you choose.
God is not as the people who hate God say He is.
He is God.
>>950149
>By what basis do you doubt what God says?
There's no reason to believe him.
>worshipping the demiurge
christians truly had the original stockholm syndrome
>>950133
>actual historical proof
If you haven't realized by now that "history" is bullshit you haven't been paying attention. Nobody knows shit about shit, it's all a bunch of old farts and leftists sitting around plagiarizing each other's bullshit.
>>950148
This is not "exceeding limits of authority". This is breaking the law in open rebellion by hijacking Roman subjects and carrying out extra-judicial killing/arrests under a law that has been thrown-out and rendered null.
The High Priests were hated for being collaborators: they did Rome's bidding. You actually think these same people that sucked Rome's cock would be willing to be destroyed by going to Roman provinces and hijacking Roman subjects?
Also, the Temple Priests weren't even allowed a policing force besides one that only monitored the Temple proper: the Romans didn't allow the Priesthood to have a standing force, so pray tell, how did they carry out these "Christian persecutions?"
>>950167
>le gnosticism meme
Your retarded sect has been debunked a million times.
New Age is Satanic.
>>950143
Everything properly in the bible is true.
These verses are properly in the bible.
Matthew 12:T
Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw.
Matthew 12
Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
That's the sign Jesus gave them, and you. He was dead for three days and nights, and rose from the dead.
There's your sign.
>>950161
Not him, and in fact one of the guys arguing that it's impossible for Saul to be on his persecution binge under a priest's authority, but at least in U.S. law, testimony is evidence.
Someone might not consider it particularly weighty evidence, but it still is evidence.
>>950153
Hell. Jesus said it would have been better for him had he never been born.
Judas only knew Jesus as Rabbi.
>>950165
How is his any less provable than yours?
>>950159
..Damn, that's a nice analogy. Sums it perfectly.
Atheists are unwitting tools for the devil.
>>950157
Maybe it's meant to show you that what happens after you die is more important than what happens before you die.
Maybe you're an eternal being.
Maybe there are only two eternal destinations.
Maybe you get to pick which one you want.
>>950176
> This is breaking the law in open rebellion by hijacking Roman subjects and carrying out extra-judicial killing/arrests under a law that has been thrown-out and rendered null.
and nothing like that has EVER happened in history before.
EVER!
>>950161
Confession is good enough for a conviction. Your grasp of the law is ridiculous.
>>950166
There's no reason not to believe God. He is God.
>>950176
None of those Christians were Roman citizens; they were subjugated Jews.
It's like you enjoy lying.
>>950188
Mine's in the Word of God. His is not.
>>949403
Its fucking amazing how no one actually reads the bible before spouting insane bullshit, the snake is just a fucking snake that got cursed to have its kind forever crawl on the ground, Satan who didn't even have a name was just another fodder angel who proposed to God to test Job to see if his faith was the real deal and I think the dragon or beast or whatever the fuck that raised form the seas was yet another angel sen tot do its job
>>950211
It's amazing how transparent the works of Satan are once you have eyes to see them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92VmUEi9lKs
>>950207
I think Judas did regret what he did, but that does not lead to salvation. Judas died before Jesus rose from the grave, so he couldn't have been in the New Covenant.
And he was a thief, taking from the treasury, and sold Jesus out for a mere price of a dead slave. Hence he killed himself.
Jesus said that evil would come, but woe to the man by whose hand evil comes.
>>950129
>The only way is to just point out places where God in some way contradict his own moral standings, if there are any.
God could murder children and it would still be ok (he does too). Satan could give mankind the blueprints for a perpetual machine turbine and he would still be the ultimate bad guy.
>>950211
I never claimed they had the Latin Right: but they were still Roman SUBJECTS, which is a distinction you're too idiotic to realize.
>>950220
The bible reveals that the snake is the devil:
Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
>>950221
They reek of the grave.
>>950215
Nevermind
>>950229
God cannot murder.
Murder is a sin.
God can, and does, judge people worthy of death and either kills them Himself or has His people kill them.
God has rights you don't have because He is God and you are not.
>>950231
Shuffle the lie, shuffle the lie, shuffle the lie.
Tell me Rome cared about Jews killing Neo-Jews. I need a good laugh.
>>950203
Confessions get thrown out all the time.
>>950229
IN the name of Poe's law, is that your thoughts or what you think Fundies think?
>>950237
You should learn how to samefag before you make yourself look this ridiculous. Or you can delete your post, and try to save a little face.
Only one of those is me.
>>950238
Does he judge when every animal should die as well?
>>950241
False confessions do.
Show me where Paul said he made a false confession.
Better yet, show me ANY source material you have to base your opinions on. ANY.
>>950199
>Maybe it's meant to show you that what happens after you die is more important than what happens before you die.
Yes indeed, it's meant to make you reject life and protect you from its hardships with the assurance that you get paradise in the afterlife.
>Maybe you're an eternal being.
Prove it.
>Maybe there are only two eternal destinations.
Prove it.
>Maybe you get to pick which one you want.
Prove it.
>>950246
Judge? No. Know? Yes.
Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will.
>>950203
But the item of contention here isn't his confession, it's his indictment of Jewish religious authority. Saul may have indeed killed Christians, but he could very well have been a lone nutjob with voices in his head telling him that the Jewish authority wanted him to.
An indictment alone is not evidence and it's not enough to convict.
>>950240
Of course it did, the guys payed tax money to the Roman state and lived in lands that didn't even have anything to do with the Jewish land. Everyone had to pay Taxes and Taxes trumps people belonging to the orthodox branch of a faith you barely even cares about yourself.
Furthermore, having the Jewish high priests kill a group the Romans at the time didn't have any interest in killing would only cause unrest (UNless I am wrong and Rome did at the time have a policy of rotting out Christians)
>>950240
>>950240
How is it "shuffling the lie" if I never said they were Roman citizens? In my original post, I explicitly said 'Roman subjects', you Yahwist cocksucker.
And who said it's about the Romans caring about "neo-Jews' getting killed? It's more about the Jewish vassals openly rebelling: you think the Romans are going to stand by while the Jews openly disregard their terms of vassalization?
>>950229
>God "murders" baby Ghenghis Khan 2.0 and saves humanity from the the resurrected fury of the Mongol horde
>Satan provides mankind with a perpetual machine turbine that unscrupulous men use to hollow out the earth in order to live like GodKings in orbital mansions as the rest of humanity is doomed as the world crumbles in upon itself.
>>950251
Embracing eternal life is not rejecting life. It's becoming alive.
Right now you are dead.
You do not know that you are dead because you are physically alive and unaware of your spiritual nature. Dead.
Dead means separated from God, and if you stay dead, stay separated from God, you are demanding that God throw your eternal ass into eternal separation from Him. You are demanding He cast you into a Lake of Fire, forever, where you never die, and the worm never dies, and the fire never goes out.
You are demanding God do that to you.
I have no need to prove anything to you. I have only the responsibility to tell you the truth. That you cannot discern truth from lie is not my problem. It's yours.
>>950201
If the Romans had even an inkling of them doing so, they'd have murdered the whole lot of them. The Romans were not a fucking around sort.
>>950250
>>950238
Yes. God could literally have Satan murder your children and he would still be he "good guy". That's what happened to poor Job.
>God has rights you don't have because He is God and you are not.
If God came down from heaven and ordered you to suck his dick while he called you a sissy boy would you obey him?
After you're just his bitch huh?
>>950255
A right and correct indictment of Jewish religious authority, who had to look up in the bible to tell Herod that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem, and completely missed the day Daniel prophesied that the Messiah would appear.
A proper indictment of not knowing they stood in the same room as their God.
>>950252
I'm not even for animal rights I'm playing devil's advocate here but have you even the slightest idea how most animals lives are just to get pre packaged for some fat neckbeard who is completely detached from it all can eat a sandwich at his comp?
>>950261
>I have no need to prove anything to you.
Then you fail as a Christian and a proselytizer. Take comfort in knowing that you fail at the one task you've put forth for yourself. Have a good day.
>>950256
You're saying that Jews enjoyed Pax Romana.
What rubbish. Jews tried to kill Jesus many times, and nobody cared.
>>950242
It's what fundies think. There's actually a formal doctrine for this called divine command theory, which says whatever comes out of God's math is defined as good.
God could literally say he is sending everyone to hell except for the rapists who all get into heaven and it would be good.
>>950257
Gee, almost as if there were some tension between the Jew and Rome, that led to, oh, I don't know, some sort of Jew War?
Honestly, do you know any Jewish history at all?
>>950232
Try one not inspired by King James insanity, try one translated from its original idiom without bizzarre imaginations
>>950263
1. Saul confessed.
2. False confessions are thrown out.
3. Saul did not make a false confession.
You loopy people see everything in circles.
>>950283
Yes, I do know Jewish history: obviously more than you do, faggot.
>>950264
It's not murder. You keep saying God can sin, as murder is a sin, and it's just never going to be true.
Job's children died in basically a structure failure; that sort of thing happens all the time, everywhere. They were not murdered. Job's servants were murdered by rivals, not by God.
You seriously need to know that there are forces on this earth that want to murder you, and that God is the only thing holding them back.
God did take one of my children home early. Better that than he grow up to be like you.
>>950287
Saul's story is true because Saul confessed it <-->Sauls confession is true because Sauls story is true
is kinda how I get it.
>>950269
Yes. It didn't use to be like this. Animals never ate animals, and humans didn't eat animals. In the Kingdom, we will all go back to being herbivores.
For the time being, however, all food is clean, and given to us to eat. You may choose to, or not to, at your discretion, but you do not sin by eating meat and you are not holy by abstaining.
But yeah, it breaks my heart seeing animals eat each other alive. It's not supposed to be like this.
>>950272
My task is to tell you the truth, the gospel, the good news.
I have done that.
Your rejection of the gospel is on you; your blood is not on my hands.
>>950281
God is good, and in Him there is no evil. It's just a basic definition of God that you don't seem to be able to grasp.
Oh, yeah, because you're getting your info from satan, the father of lies.
>>950242
You know when arguing with fundies I can perfectly understand why you would throw Christians to the lions.
Christians cause a riot. You try to compromise with them but they won't stop, you try to explain the situation or appeal logic and they keep rioting. Eventually you realize the only way to stop these fundie maniacs is to kill them...than they scream about how they are being oppressed!
>>950285
Young's Literal of the Hebrew:
Revelation 12:9 and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called `Devil,' and `the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.
>>950289
Even in the bible, in the 30's, there were rumblings that Rome was going to slay the nation.
And in 32 AD, Jesus said the temple was going to be taken down, so that not one stone stood upon another.
That happened in 70 AD. Just as prophesied.
>>950301
Not that. Wild animals fine and swell. The ones we eat out of mass production. Is it gods will the entire life of a chicken is to have its legs broken and stuffed in a box until death by hand of man and machine to feed some worthless degenerate
>>950300
Yes, only the guilty criminal can make a confession. Other people do it, it's called an accusation.
Law. Learn something today.
>>950307
Yes, because you're evil, like your father the devil.
>>950262
>The Romans
You say that as if "the Romans" are a singular entity with one mind rather a collection of associated individuals spread out over thousands of miles.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the local officials just didn't give a shit about what happened to a bunch of literal who religious minorities so long as the taxes were paid and the bribes kept rolling in?
>>950317
If you knew God as the holy, just and righteous one, you would not be concerned that any injustice will go unpaid.
>>950294
>Job's children died in basically a structure failure
Did you miss the part where Satan caused everything...and had God's blessing in doing so?
>You keep saying God can sin
Sin is an imaginary concept.
>God did take one of my children home early.
Oh so that's what it's about. It's a coping mechanism for you.
>>950305
Satan and God are buddies
>>950330
Yet he created the injustice in the first place?
>>950321
Though he did sort of say he would only do it if Christians would start rioting and destroying things.
>>950327
And does it maybe occur to you that they possibly should be even more hellbent on stopping the Jews from causing trouble since they do want the taxes to keep coming in?
Having unauthorized and organized people killing your subjects isn't the best thing for stability.
>>950321
There is that Christian love I've heard so much about. You even love your enemies too!
>>950333
People die all the time. Get used to it. You're going to die.
Sin is "missing the mark". You try to be like God, and you miss the mark. Everyone does. Nobody can be like God but for God.
It is very comforting to know that my child, and my children, will all be with the Lord, yes. It's also very comforting to know that nobody in my family will ever be alone, in the dark, and on fire, forever.
Very comforting indeed.
God and satan are Creator and created. satan is HaSatan, the Adversary (of God). So no, they're not buddies. And yes, satan is going to be thrown into the very same lake of fire you're headed towards.
>>950337
He allowed injustice to happen in order to ensure that the highest ideal, Love, could happen.
>>950342
I know that it's difficult to see from that post, but yes, that's love.
If a man is lost, and realizes that the devil is his father, then he can repent and be adopted into God's family.
If God is invincible, then why did he cast out Satan instead of forgiving him? I think this implies God can be killed or defeated, hence why the idea of keeping Satan in Heaven in close proximity was throw out.
>>950345
If you think the US created terror, you are badly in need of a history book.
>>950377
There is no plan of salvation for the angels. They saw God face to face, for however long in eternity past, and made their decisions.
Mankind, well, remember on what basis we were forgiven:
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
>>950389
The fact that some angels acted to defeat God implies they knew a chance existed and that there was a way. Otherwise, as Christians like to say, how else could you go against an omnipotent being?
>>950377
One flaw in your master plan there, chief. satan has had access to the throne room of God since the creation. He's there, right now, snitching on Christians.
>>949403
>the snake was satan
Fuck off
>>950379
Aq and Isis yes. That's thewar on terror I am referring to. Sort of like the war on drugs
>>950397
They were outnumbered 2:1 just by the angels who did not rebel, and had no way to deal with the Almighty.
It was the stupidest coup in the history of the universe.
>>950407
Angels are superior to humans: they are more intelligent, among other things. Also, what's the point of fighting angels if they can't die, apparently?
They knew God had a weakness. And consider that gods were regularly killed in older mythologies.
