Who is to blame for the start of WW1?
The Germans admitted it at Versailles. We were all there, don't you remember?
>>726624
White cis European men
>>726624
Read some Tolstoy, OP
>>726648
topkek, gentry.
>>726650
>willy
>cis
lewd a bit
>>726624
IT WAS ALL ORGANIZED DECADES IN ADVANCE BY SECRET AGREEMENT AND ARRANGEMENT BY THE EUROPEAN ROYAL FAMILY TREE.
IT WAS A BIG "GAME" LIKE ALL EUROPEAN WARS UP UNTIL THAT TIME. IT DIDN'T EVEN GET OUT OF HAND. THE WHOLE POINT OF IT WAS TO BE A BIG "PLAYOFF" FOR CONTROL OF THE 20TH CENTURY. THE MASSIVE CHAOS, DEATH, DESTRUCTION AND CRUSHING, CRIPPLING WAR DEBT WAS ALL PLANNED FOR.
WATCH THIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ0NHhnMY9o
>>726681
THEY WERE ALL RELATED. ALL THE DIFFERENT HEADS OF STATE AND MONARCHS AND HIGH-LEVEL DIPLOMATS.
THE REST OF THE WORLD, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA, ASIA, ETC. JUST JUMPED ABOARD AS AN EXCUSE TO TAKE COLONIAL TERRITORY OR FOR DISAFFECTED FACTIONS TO FOMENT REVOLUTION.
OH SURE, I'M CRAZY, TIN-FOIL HAT RIGHT?
THEN HOW COME EVERYTHING I SAY MAKES SENSE?
IF YOU REALLY KNOW THE STORY, YOU KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, A STORY. READ BETWEEN THE LINES.
Isn't it obvious? It was Archduke Franz Ferdinand. That guy shouldn't have gotten killed like he did.
To make a serious case, no one person or faction is solely to blame, as the Seminal Tragedy (the month between the assassination of the Archduke to the declaration of war) was plagued with rumors, misinformation, and miscommunication from all sides.
First, the Austrians and Hungarian parliaments disagreed on whether to go to war against Serbia or not, and the Hungarians were convinced to support war on the condition that no Serbian land was to be annexed.
the Russians mobilized in fear that A-H was out to annex Belgrade, where the fact of Austria's agreement with Hungary to not annex was not communicated to the Russian ambassador Sazanov, who was none the wiser for most of the month.
The Germans were extremely reactionary in the fear of a Russo-French alliance finally taking shape, and made a kneejerk decision in unconditionally supporting A-H in the event of war, which emboldened the Emperor to make war with Germany as his ally.
there's actually a 4 part short video piece that gives a surprising amount of detail into what happened in that month. it's definitely worth the watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-wSL4WqUws&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5Aq7g4bil7bnGi0A8gTsawu&index=5
>>726624
Austria-Hungary.
If they just stopped fucking around with Serbia...
>>726696
>Franz gets to Sarajevo
>One of the first things that happens is a bomb goes off near him
Should have just gone the fuck home.
>>726624
Dunno, but that timeline may help us to know
>>726762
This is meaningless unless you look at the balkan crises from several years back. Austria had been itching for war with Serbia
>>726624
Ultimately I'd blame Gavrilo Princip for assassinating Franz Ferdinand, Franz Ferdinand for deciding to parade around a politically unstable area, and the hardliners in the Austro-Hungarian government for going full retard in their handling of the situation. After that, it was a long series of unfortunate but predictable pieces falling into place.
Pope Urban II
No Pope Urban II = No First Crusade = Muslim conquest of Europe = Homogeneity of culture = No WW1.
Q.E.D.
>>726774
Actually, no, now that I think about it Abraham is responsible for WW1.
Maybe even Hamurabi...
>>726765
>Austria had been itching for war with Serbia
Well certain factions in Austria were, not everyone though and the whole thing could've been avoided if the Austrians hadn't been such sticklers over the ultimatum to Serbia, an ultimatum where they only refused one extremely ridiculous part of.
>>726681
Holy fucking shit why can't conspiracy nuts ever make anything brief and concise?
YEAH BRO EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY A LIE HERE CHECK OUT THIS SIX HOUR DOCUMENTARY FOLLOWED BY 2 WEEKS WORTH OF YOUTUBE VIDEOS
>>726624
Poor Willy already chopped a bottle of Champagne when he was told a war was avoided in the last minute :( It was mostly Russia, France and GB. Austria-Hungary and Germany wouldn't have benefitted from a war. One has to keep in mind that back then, Germany had a higher BIP than Great Britain, and with the Baghdad Bahn, Britain would have become almost irrelevant as power in terms European hegemony.
The good guys lost, it's simple as that.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WORLD WAR 2 YOU FUCKING MEMESTERS
FUCK
YOU
What the fuck is this with all the shitposting? Like /his/ wasn't shit enough as it is.
>>726800
Germany did want a war, just mostly with Russia as Russia was rapidly modernizing and the worry was that they could be able to crush the German army unless they weren't defanged by 1917 or 18.
>>726786
>THIS SIX HOUR DOCUMENTARY FOLLOWED BY 2 WEEKS WORTH OF YOUTUBE VIDEOS
I actually added up the hours of youtube from a pol/ "red pill" thread.
It was about 13 days worth.
Blame should fall on russia for that mobilizing of forces they did
>>726624
Germany was the proximate cause
ultimately it was just the failure of the European multi-state system to survive the stresses of disparate industrialization and the social forces released during the Napoleonic wars
>>726786
I'm the person you're replying to, please let me respond, I feel COMPELLED to reach across the gulf to you and others like you:
Please understand our conundrum: We live in the information age where everybody has the greatest research machine in History literally at their fingerprints and you can spend a thousand years learning about WW2 or lightsaber construction.
Most people spend most of their time watching cat videos and catgirl porn and everything in between and they don't want to spend six weeks watching youtube vids about 9/11.
We sympathize, but when we try to state our case in a clear and concise manner, we are ruthlessly attacked for making wild claims with no evidence.
Well our problem is quite the opposite, the claims we are trying to make are not simple and easy to describe, they are extremely complex, convoluted, and compartmentalized. The amount of background information needed to appreciate themes and principles is immense. The evidence we have is literally mountainous in nature.
You should consider the size and scale and scope of an event like 9/11 and realize that ANY narrative about the facts and events is going to necessitate an absolutely massive commitment in research hours.
We, who have put in the weeks and the months and the years of research have tried and tried to dumb down and simplify everything for you guys but when we condense 2,000 hours of evidence and research into a three-hour youtube presentation, you guys say we're skipping over too much, glossing over too much, going too fast, jumping to conclusions, etc.
Do you see the problem we have? You don't want to do the research, but you refuse to listen to the people who DID do the research, and when we present evidence, we can never present ENOUGH, it's always either way too much, or just not enough. And it's become OBVIOUS to all of us that you people are constantly MOVING THE GOALPOSTS!!!
Please address this!!! Let us have a dialogue between our two races!!!
>>726624
The Eternal Anglo. The City of London financiers were left out of the German economic action & wanted to knock out a competitor
>inb4 muh go b-b-back to /pol/
source is Carroll Quigley's Tragedy & Hope
>>726939
>THEY WERE ALL RELATED. ALL THE DIFFERENT HEADS OF STATE AND MONARCHS
Yeah it goes back to Queen Victoria and the limited pool of royal candidates for marriage. The idea that Willy, Nicky and Edward colluded for decades to start a war in which two of them would be forced to abdicate and one of them literally MURDERED and the proof is that they were related is ludicrous.
>>726939
Instead of turning us into cartoon characters and meme-fodder and parodies, instead of inventing imaginary pop-psychiatry diagnoses to explain why somebody would do a whole bunch of research into a highly complicated subject and then form a contrary opinion to what is commonly held by the uninformed layperson, instead of trying to put us all into a category and treat all conspiracies as if they are interchangeable, as if 9/11 conspiracies are on the same level as moon-is-made-of-cheese-and-populated-by-lizardmen conspiracies . . .
Why didn't you ever just DO THE RESEARCH?
Because if you did, you became one of us. And you can't understand why nobody will listen. And you keep trying to figure out how to present the information, how to condense and synthesize the mountains of evidence.
But it will never be enough. Always too much, or else not enough.
>>726962
>The idea that Willy, Nicky and Edward colluded for decades to start a war in which two of them would be forced to abdicate and one of them literally MURDERED
That is the game. That's how the game is played at the highest levels.
Do you remember Homer's Iliad? Remember how the gods did battle on the same field as the mortals, but they played for different stakes, and the actions of the mortals on the battlefield were like chesspieces in the game of the gods.
These people are related, but they're also sacrificing millions of peasants over their centuries-long family squabble! Of course they are trying to topple and depose each other, they are rivals! That's why they're flinging their peasants at each other's territories!
It's all a big game! These are people for whom the highest value is the fastest strike, they don't consider the lives of peasants to be the same as their own lives. They see themselves as real people, competing against their cousins for who can control the most resources, and the human livestock are just another resource they fight over.
>>726823
If Germany truly wanted war, they would've pulled the trigger on Russia after its war with Japan & revolution
>>726977
So is Russia to blame
>>726975
That's not colluding then.
That's pretty standard international-relations. Also it should be noted that Edward and Wilhelm both had fairly minimal roles in their government's foreign departments. After the Daily Mail interview Wilhelm shrank from inserting himself into government policy and Edward was always a playboy who left everything to the civil government except when it couldn't be avoided. Nicky was the only one of the three with any substantial power and he was a stooge who was in way over his head who was easily influenced by his subordinates.
le spazy arm proto-hitler man
>>726681
>IT DIDN'T EVEN GET OUT OF HAND
the rotting corpses of the Romanovs would beg to differ
>>726977
Perhaps Germany did not want war then, but wanted it later.
You know, perhaps because the Great Programme was only enacted in 1913.
>>726624
>Who is to blame for the start of WW1?
Austria and Germany the most by far.
>>726624
Germans.
Both Austrian and German Germans(there's little difference anyway).
>>727236
Elaborate, please
>>726624
Everyone but the Germans. Mostly Slavshits who thought they could betray peace by secret coalitions with France and GB.
>>727236
I would include Russia because IIRC they were the first to mobilize
>>727273
The first to mobilise was Germany.
>germany issuing a carte blanche to AH to deter any war
>AH takes this a sign that germany actually wants war
>miscommunication between nations is literally comedy gold-tier as practically everyone fucks up and panics
>it's all basically a domino chain countdown to war as everyone scrambles like fuck to prevent it but ends up helping it start
>nations mobilise left and right without really knowing why
>ah declares war on balkanshit slavland #455
>people go completely mad and issues declarations of war left and right
>war turns out as a stagnating shitfest with no real apparant winner
>french do to germans exactly what bismarck wouldn't to do them 50 years earlier, tearing a nation apart, in fear of retaliation
>the germans retaliate later because the french are fucking retarded
Literally worse than that time there were 3 popes and they all excommuncated each other,
fucking europeans lmao.
>>727273
They certainly share some of the blame in escalating the conflict but I wouldn't include them at the same level as the other two. They told Serbia to accept the ultimatum and kept their posturing aimed at Austria - unlike Germany who in "only backing up their ally" actively and aggressively went against, well, everyone basically.
>>727281
That makes Poland responsible for WWII since they mobilized 2 weeks before the Gleiwitz incident.
>>726624
Serbia. The Serbs have always been the Great Irritant on the Taint of Europe.
>>726624
Well Franz Ferdinand did NOT want war with serbia and did everything in his power to prevent it and when he died Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf (who always wanted war through everything) went through with fuckin shit up
>>726624
Bismark, he ruined good German-Russian relations and became allied with AH, while it was better to be allied with Russia and partition AH between them. Germany would get Austria and all other German populated lands, Russia would get Galicia and AH part of Poland, Serbs get their independence and warranty of security.
Hapsburgs. Fucking Hapsburg pigs and their mongrel empire.
Germany was complicit as well but if somebody went back and murdered every member of the Hapsburg family and sub-families so much bloodshed could have maybe been avoided.
Germany, they were the ones who invaded France even when they didnt have to as it was ''all part of their master plan'.
>>726696
It really was him. Literally everyone told him that going to Sarajevo is big-ass provocation, but he didn't care because of his plans (making a cofederation, or a Astro-Hungarian-Slavish monarchy).
>>726760
Well what the fuck were they supposed to do, it was Serbia who provocated.
Africans
If they never left their continent, ww1 would never have happened
>>727156
It's just a prank, bro.
>>726814
/his/ is /pol/ and /int/ combined
>>726624
vienna congress
prove me wrong
It was generally the Austrians. They did two really stupid things.
>taking the blank check as an excuse to provocative
>allowing Franz Ferdinand to go anywhere and do anything.
They started acting recklessly ever since the Herman blank check because they believed the Germans would want a war. Allowing Franz Ferdinand to go to Sarajevo which aggravated the Serbian nationalists. This then caused them to continually attempt to kill him. He should have left after the bombing but chose to stay and thus an error from his driver lead him to that little Serb fellow. Gabriel princip I think that's his name
>>726957
yah that makes sense because Britain really wanted a war oh wait thats bullshit britain tried as hard as possible to avoid war
>>727443
So youre saying France wouldnt attack Germany if Germany attacked Russia?
>>726624
The asshole that shot the heir.
>>728088
That dastardly Princip, making Germany invade neutral Belgium!
Affluenza
Gavrilo Princip.
Perfidious Albion for sure!
The jews
source : some infographic on /pol/
:^)
>>727298
>french do to germans exactly what bismarck wouldn't to do them 50 years earlier, tearing a nation apart, in fear of retaliation
>what bismarck wouldn't to do them 50 years earlier
Too bad Bismarck wasnt in charge at that time and it was still done to France after 1871 despite what he said
>>728036
>It was generally the Austrians
Maybe if you're an uneducated amerilard or serbcuck.
Austria was in the right to chastise Serbia for promoting and supporting terrorism.
>>728448
Exactly. Not to mention that those Serbs were cunts to begin with since they couldn't accept sovereignty of Austria even if she earned it by wars and clever politics.
Fucking Serbs.
>>727517
>it was Serbia who provocated
>>728448
They were, but when the Serbs agreed to every thing in their ultimatum with few exception. Read the ultimatum and then read Serbia's response, and tell me that is adequate cause for war.
www.firstworldwar.com/source/austrianultimatum.htm
>>728461
>Serbian military intelligence organising and arming terrorists
>"dem Serbs good boys, dey dindu nuffin"
>>728050
Not true, there were plenty of hawkish ministers in Britain at the time that wanted a war with Germany in order to eliminate them as a threat to British Hegemony. No one power was in total unanimous agreement to go to war, but all of them had parties with in the government that wanted war for one reason or another.
>>728471
Seeing as Serbia's long term goals were the destruction of the Habsburg monarchy and dissolution of the Austrian state, yes I think Austria's terms were necessary.
Russia should have stayed out and let Serbia receive it's well earned chastisement.
Look how the Serbs spent the rest of the 20th century chomping out. The killing fields in Bosnia and Kosovo.
>>728427
>it was still done to France
>>726681
YOU JUST SOUND CRAZIER WITH CAPS!!
Friedrich III for living an unhealthy lifestyle and therefore leaving a fuckup in charge.
>Austria killed so many Serbian men that 100 years later Serbian demographics still reflect this
No wonder the Albanians cucked Serbia out of Kosovo.
>>728488
Yes
After 1871, Germany annexed Alsace-Lorraine and asked for reparations (which were bigger than Versailles)
What France did to Germany after WW1 was in no way worse than that (regardless of what modern apologist propaganda may have told you)
The only difference is that in the 30s, the US spawned a big economical crisis that hit all the world and Germany very hard. But this has nothing to do with France, so you can't blame them for this one
>>728485
>Russia should have stayed out and let Serbia receive it's well earned chastisement.
But that's the thing. The Serbs were totally willing to accept that chastisement with the exception of Austrian involvement in their judicial process since it was a violation of their constitution. Which is not beyond the pale as far as disagreements go and could have been solved diplomatically. Austria wanted a war at that point and they were doing what ever possible to get one, even when Serbia bent over and stuck their ass up.
When your ally almost totally acquiesces to the demands of a foreign power, and that power still declares war on them, it's not unreasonable to defend them. Russia was trying to use their mobilization as a bargaining chip against any drastic Austrian action, and the Austrians couldn't take a hint.
I blame Serbia.
France and to a lesser extent the other members of the Triple Entente.
France was butt-hurt about a strong unified German state challenging them for domination of the European continent. England didn't like Germany having African and Asian colonies.
>>728545
>tearing a nation apart
>>728475
>Serbian military intelligence organising and arming terrorists
American education.
>>727330
Russia knew that mobilizing would lead to a German declaration of war. Russia at the time was very cozy with France and Germany could not take any chances with the product of a, 2 front war.
When the Germans told the Russians to back the fuck down, they should stopped mobilizing and let Austria and Serbia duke it out.
>>728556
Congratulations, you win the Dumbest Post Today award this time!
>>728562
Yes, it seems you have one.
>>728571
But why should they? Why couldn't it be Germany that backed down, especially in light of continued assurances that Russia was only interested in the AUS-SRB habbenings? And even if your version ought for some reason take precedence, that still hardly makes Russia as complicit in sparking the war than the other two powers.
>>728548
>it's not unreasonable to defend them
When you're playing the same Slav nationalism game, sure.
But from an objective, international legal view Austria was in the right and Russia was attempting to obstruct justice.
Ole Nicky paid for that in the end.
>>728614
>Why couldn't it be Germany that backed down
Honestly that's probably the greatest argument for Germany being at fault one could make. Ultimately Germany didn't have any skin in the game, and the only reason they got involved is because they wanted to cut down Russia before they got too strong, and they wanted to make sure their only real ally in Europe didn't go down the drain. Austria and Russia both had legitimate reasons for going to war regardless of how the situation could have been handled. Germany never needed to get involved at all outside of their own national interests and imperialism.
>>728623
>But from an objective, international legal view Austria was in the right and Russia was attempting to obstruct justice.
I'd hardly call attempting to preserve the peace an obstruction of justice. Serbia was totally willing to comply with international law and comply with Austria's demands, except where it violated their constitution. That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take, and wasn't good enough for the warhawks in the Austrian government who wanted to increase Austrian territory in the Balkans. Russia's mobilization was entirely to get Austria to back away from war as a means to settle their issues. I feel Russia was totally in the right regarding their actions and most other nations would do the same in a similar situation.
>>728576
implying the alliance with england and russia, against Germany, wasn't a provocative gesture.
>>728660
There would be no alliance with England and Russia had the Germans not alienated them.
>>728548
>Serbian """"""""""""judicial process"""""""""""
>>728660
As opposed to Germany's alliance with A-H and the Ottomans?
Austria-Hungary, but it was bound to happen anyways because of rising tension from imperialism
Germans who can't into basic diplomacy
>>728671
Nice retort, very well thought out.
>>728659
>attempting to preserve the peace
Disingenuous. Serbia wanted a war, and Russia wanted to advance pan-Slavic causes in that region, but on their terms. It was hardly altruistic.
Given Serbia's schemes and machinations, as well as outright recent military action, a small war to put the Balkan states in their places would have been necessary to actually preserve peace on a Europe and worldwide scale.
Russia wouldn't have that, and Serbia was working damage control since they weren't ready for another war quite yet.
Most of the Austrian government >didn't< want more in the Balkans, they just wanted to hold on to the empire they had. Russia insistence on intervening and the German blank check is what pushed it into a general European war.
Otherwise it would probably be a footnote little greater than the intervention in Crete in 1896.
>>728676
There wasn't an alliance between Germans and the Ottomans until after the war broke out.
>>728690
Thanks, it was measured to equal the post it's a reply to.
>>728695
so serbia wanted a war but didn't want a war because they weren't ready, OK...
>>728700
The war didn't involve Germany until Germany decided it (aka when they attacked Russia and France out of nothing)
>>728713
True, Germany were a bunch of imperialistic shits, I'm not the same poster trying to pin it on France.
The way I see it, the Austrians caused the war with their handling of Serbia, the Germans are responsible for inflaming it into a world war.
>>728629
Except that's bullshit, because Russia didn't have any skin in the game either. At least Germany was backing up an ally. The only reason that Russia got involved was that it was terrified of losing great power status if it didn't flex its nuts in the Balkans.
>>728629
Austria gets killed. Germany is alone. Gets double teamed by France and Russia.
Gee I wonder why they were panicking.
>>728953
Russia wanted to keep serbs around because they wanted to expand that way and serbs were the only ones willing to be allies in that region. Losing them would be a set back on Russias plans of expansion.
>>728953
>At least Germany was backing up an ally
Same for Russia
But you're right, neiother Germany nor Russia had vital reasons for attacking each others
Which is why Germany can be considered at fault when they did it
Konrad von Hötzendorf.
England is the #1 culprit because they kept buttfucking Germany and trying to cripple them before they could do major damage. England was like that 36 year old woman rapidly declining in looks and eyeing the young 21 year old woman (Germany in this case) with jealously and doing everything she can to fuck the young woman over in all aspects of life out of pure envy.
tl;dr - the English were being perfidious yet again, and no, I'm not joking.
>>728713
>The war didn't involve Germany until Germany decided it (aka when they attacked Russia and France out of nothing)
This is how you make arguments while ignoring context.
>>728112
You can't really blame the other for invading neutral countries if you are did the exact same thing.
>>729025
Remind us again which neutral country was invaded by Gavrilo Princip during the outbreak of WW1?
>>729000
>same for russia
Not to the same extent, Germany and AH were proper allies, with defense treaties and all that good stuff. Russia just want to force Serbia into its sphere of influence so it decided to start shouting "Slavic Pride World Wide" and stepped in to a dispute it didn't need to be involved in.
>>729043
France and Britain violated Greek neutrality quite heavily.
Gerrmany for being an irresponsible ally to Austria.
If you're a great power and you're an ally to a secondary power, it's irresponsible to encourage them to cause shit with the other great powers unless you're certain you can win.
So perhaps it was German hubris that led to it becoming a world war instead of a regional war, or maybe it was German irresponsibility in giving Austria the 'blank cheque' and the confidence to invade Serbia.
But honestly, when your only allies are the sick man of Europe and a cesspit of multiple nationalist movements under a monarchy way past its prime, why would you start a war anyway?
Wilhelm II was a fucking idiot.
>Austria-Hungary(Hötzendorf, Emperor Josef)
>Russia(provocative mobilization)
>Gavrilo Princip(killed the only guy who prevented AH from going to war with Serbia)
>Germany(Wilhelm didn't actually believe a war would be likely to occur after giving the blank cheque, the fool he was. After reading Austrias ultimatum and the Serbian response, he didn't believe there was a reason for AH to go to war)
Slavshits being slavshits is what caused the war.
Everything bad that has ever happened in the world can be traced down to the slavshit.
>>729081
>Wilhelm II was a fucking idiot.
Yes he was, but not a warmongering idiot.
He just assumed AH would have some fucking basic common sense.
Which they didn't
>>729061
Yes, landing troops several months into the war in a country in a hotly contested region after an invitation of half the government of the country in question, troops which were in fact not invading said country at all but staging and passing through, is certainly "the exact same thing" as invading a neutral country and causing hostilities to commence in the way Germany had done with Belgium. Jesus people, do you even think before posting.
>>729093
So a mixture of German naivety and Austrian stupidity.
>>729096
Wilhelm II might have been naive and possibly did not want war (at that particular moment - remember the German elites have a couple of years before WW1 roughly agreed to wage war against Russia sooner or later) but there were warmongers hell bent on conflict at the highest levels of the German command and government.
>>729096
More like German efficiency. In a time without proper communication means everything military was set up in time tables. Once things are in motion there is no turning back. Wilhelm actually tried to stop it, but to no avail.
>>729105
>Wilhelm actually tried to stop it, but to no avail.
Source?
>>729094
>Yes, landing troops several months into the war in a country in a hotly contested region
Greece was not contested at all. All sides besides the Allies had respected their neutrality.
> after an invitation of half the government
Venizelos was not half the government, and he certainly wasn't THE FUCKING KING. Also he resigned, and Greek officially never invited anyone. Officially they protested.
>Troops which were in fact not invading said country at all but staging and passing through,
That was the request Germany did to Belgium.
The only difference is that Greece didn't mobilize to defend itself, because they REALLY didn't want to fight.
>>729110
John Keegan, The First World War
>>726624
>>726681
>>726624
Russia.
If they had not stood up for Serbia, nothing much happens.
>>729127
If AH hadn't ATTACKED SERBIA, nothing would have happened.
If the British and French had both declared neutrality, nothing would have happened.
If Germany hadn't given a blank cheque...
If
>>729114
The region was contested. Venizelos was the head of government at the time. The parliament had his back before the dismissal by the king. Greece "did not want to fight" so much these shenanigans resulted in the Dikhasmos and Noemvriana and their entry into the war on the side of the allies.
Yes, this situation is 100 % totally and absolutely "the exact same thing" as the German invasion, occupation and destruction of Belgium
>>729138
>The parliament had his back before the dismissal by the king
The parliament didn't think dragging Greece into the war was a good idea.
>Greece "did not want to fight" so much these shenanigans resulted in the Dikhasmos and Noemvriana and their entry into the war on the side of the allies.
And a bunch of russians fought on the German side too.
It also caused mass protests against the Allies in Greece-
>Yes, this situation is 100 % totally and absolutely "the exact same thing" as the German invasion, occupation and destruction of Belgium
it by definition is, the only exception being that Greece really didn't want to go to war, as Belgium was willing to do so.
KUK is to blame for going to war
Serbia is to blame for allowing Franz to be killed
Germany is to blame for following KUK into their stupid war
>>729149
I am afraid my idea of two things being exactly the same requires the two things be indeed the same, and not wildly different, like your idea of the concept appears to be.
>>729157
>Serbia is to blame for allowing Franz to be killed
should they have employed seers?
time travellers?
precog cops like in minority report?
how do you suggest Serbia should have »not allowed<< franz to be killed?
>>729181
>Violating neutrality.
De jure exactly the same thing
>>729193
By suppressing the black hand
By having proper security
>>729193
By not letting him go to a politically hostile place known for violence that hated him?
>>729193
By not letting high officials of the state be a part of a terrorist group?
He was. He should've just overthrown Willhelm and rule the country himself. But instead, he gave in and retired.
>>729132
>If the British and French had both declared neutrality, nothing would have happened.
Why should have they and not Germany?
If Germany hadnt attacked France, Russia and Belgium, it would have been a minor localized war
>>729227
imagine a germany ruled by bismarck with an iron fist in 1914.
imagine where germany would be today.
>>729364
but it was the russians that threatened war with mobilization?????????
>implying the french wouldnt invade germany when russia made her move.
think of it like this, two shady looking guys corner you at night, one pulls out his knife and his friend is about to do the same, what do you do?
You beat the shit out of his friend before he pulls out his knife too and then try to deal with the guy with the knife.
>>729731
why would france get involved in a war between russia and austria?
>>729737
You forgot a country or two there.
The war wasn't going to be limited to Austria-Russia because it(the defeat of Austria-Hungary) would have severely hurt the strategic interests and geopolitical position of Germany.
France wanted Germany to be defeated so it would stop being a competitor on the great power on the world stage and also because muh 1871 and muh Alsace-Lorraine.
Russia needed a counterweight against germany, thus Franco-Russian alliance happened.
Germany had vital interests with Austria-Hungary, which had interests in the Balkans.
Russia also has interests in the Balkans.
Russia and AH clash.
Germany can't afford AH to lose, so Germany and Russia clash.
Russia wants help against Germany, and gets it from France.
>the only guy who wanted to and had the power to avoid AH proclaiming war with Serbia
>also had smart ideas about granting autonomy to slav nationalities to avoid uprisings
>gets killed
>AH proclaimes war on Serbia
Wow, who could have guessed!
>>729737
>The Triple Entente (from French entente [ɑ̃tɑ̃t] "friendship, understanding, agreement") was the understanding linking the Russian Empire, the French Third Republic, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland after the signing of the Anglo-Russian Entente on 31 August 1907.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Entente
>>728448
I'm not saying the Serbs where justified freedom fighters because they where just terrorists however Serbia did meet almost all the demands made by the Austrians bar one. The Austrians declared war as a response to that.
>>726834
Did you make a playlist?
>>727428
What happens to Czechoslovakia, Hungary and transylvania?
>>729950
you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Russian_Alliance
>the Russian and French general staffs signed a military convention on Aug. 5 (17), 1892, which provided for mutual military aid in the event of a German attack
