Why did he stopped after conquering Poland? He could've conquered France, Spain, Germany and Italy, prevent Renaissance to happen as well as shiity, petty wars of Europe in general. Also did Mongols ever fought the Byzantines?
>>676936
Genghis never conquered Poland because he was dead long before first invasion took place. And that's also why Mongols didn't go further west - no comparable leader to fill his shoes resulted in a gradual fragmentation of the empire and loss of power.
>>676980
>Genghis never conquered Poland because he was dead long before first invasion took place. And that's also why Mongols didn't go further west - no comparable leader to fill his shoes resulted in a gradual fragmentation of the empire and loss of power.
Yup.
There were also better targets for the Mongols to spend most of their resources.
Europe was not as rich as Persia, Egypt or China.
That's why the Mongols would send 50,000 men to Europe while they had 500,000 against one of the Chinese Kingdoms.
Mongol tactics worked on steppe
Europe is not Steppe. They'd have never made it past Eastern Europe even with Genghis.
This is also why they couldn't get into India
>>676936
The Byzantines were too busy fighting the Latin Kingdom
They Mongols did Fight the Seljuks and Their Latin Allies leading to the Collpase of the Seljuks and The rise of the Turkmen Beyliks with Osman the founder of the Ottoman Empire was one of these Beyliks
>>676980
Not quite.
Genghis Khan died long before the first european campaigns.
They planned to take Europe but later decided China was a more juicy target. So they switched their front.
>>676994
Which is of course how they conquered places like Persia, China, and what's now Vietnam, because those places were steppes.
Idiot.
>>677005
>what's now Vietnam,
>Implying that They didn't get beaten by the Vietnamese
>Calling others Idiots
>>676936
>ogodai about to conquer europe
>dies of alchohol poisoning cause batu called him a lightweight and he aint a soft cunt
>mongol armies retreat to the east for the kurul tai whatever chink shit name their succession is called
>>676994
yeah that's how they absolutely wrecked in poland and hungary, totally steppe terrain
Mongols didn't conquer Poland
>>677009
>dai viet and Champa pay tribute to the Yuans
Truly the actions of winners.
>>676936
macabre
we would have had eurasian union before such idea even existed
d-g save the khan
>>677020
You could say that Genghis Khan was one of the outriders of globalization.
Lol what if they went through Arabia and invaded Africa
>>676994
It worked against China. I suppose not everyone has a good knowledge of Geography, but I would advise you to look at a topological map of China.
>>676994
They couldn't conquer India because Alauddin Kiliiji and Malik Kafur were beasts. They managed to fend off attacks from a sizable Mongol army (200k) at the battle of Kili. And yet the Mamluks get all the credit for fending off a puny 12k Mongols.
>>676936
>Why did he stopped after conquering Poland? He could've conquered France, Spain, Germany and Italy,
no he couldn't dumbass
there's no steppe there, no grass plains to feed the horses
that and thick forests/mountains aren't great for fighting on horseback
>>677675
This argument doesn't make sense. There are no steppe in China either. No steppe in Iraq either.
>>676936
Because the Western Ulus belonged to descendants of Jochi, who was rumoured to be illegitimate. There was a lot of friction between Ogedeids and Jochids. Subutai, the greatest general of the empire who masterminded the european operation was recalled to Karakorum after Ogedei died along with large part of the army, making it impossible to continue on the European front.
The Jochid leader Batu announced that he'd be unable to take part in the election of Ogedei's successor, delaying it for some years (there was an interregnum of 5 years). When the successor, Guyuk, was finally elected, he deeply mistrusted Batu, and undermined him at every step. In the end, Guyuk summoned Batu to bow to him, and when Batu failed to appear, sent a punitive expedition after him. The Toluid princess Sorghaghtani Beki warned Batu, who most likely had Guyuk poisoned.
In exchange, Batu supported Sorghaghtani's sons to get the throne after Guyuk. Those sons, Mongke and Kublai, were much more occupied with eastern and southern fronts, neglecting the west once more.
Tl;dr, conquest of Europe didn't happen because the khan which had jurisdiction over it was massively unpopular with those in power. When the balance of power changed, the empire was already on the verge of fracturing.
Also, Mongols didn't conquer Poland. They meant to conquer Hungary and started creating administrative units there before being forced to withdraw back to Karakorum. The raid on Poland was only meant as a diversion at that time.
>>676936
He didn't conquer Poland, Subutai invaded Hungary along with Ghengis's grandsons and there was a diversionary raid on Poland.
Generally the Mongol objective was to raid and obtain loot and they had difficulty with sieges which deterred more aggressive campaigns later, the wider strategic goal was to secure their gains in Eastern Europe by denying their client states neighboring allies. In 1259 the Mongol empire fractured, too soon for them to consolidate their gains and mount a massive invasion of Europe. The Europeans adapted in response to the disaster, Hungary and Poland began building more fortifications and emphasizing light cavalry, though it wasn't enough to prevent them receiving 2 more pastings during the 13th century.
Ghengis
>>676988
>There were also better targets for the Mongols to spend most of their resources.
doesn't matter. They had this proto-manifest destiny idea, which was hamstrung by tribal succession crisis upon the Great Khan's death. Had the Khan lived another 50 years, all of western europe would have been absorbed into the Mongolian empire (or razed to the ground)
He didn't conquer Poland.
Subutai (Genghis was kill already) was on his way. He was applying Atilla's divide and conquer and doing it flawlessly. But then Ogedai died because of alcohol poisoning and to elect a new leader, he had to fall back to the homeland.
>>676936
Who is this? I want to fuck her so bad.
>>678916
Seconded
>>676980
I don't think it was the fact that there weren't competent leaders, it is just that the leaders that got elected died too early, almost as soon as they got elected. This caused stability to be lost, and the mongols pretty much splintered apart, making them lose much threat they posed before.
>>678916
Girl seems to be Molybdenum-Blues on DeviantArt
>>678916
That could easily be a man's face. She's got some dumpy tits but christ dude.
>>676936
cause he died and his generals had to return home to select the new khan
>>679560
Muh dick, sorta.
All these guessing faggots saying shit about >muh tactics couldn't work in europe
Subutai was reaming ass in central europe and was in the middle of drawing up plans to invade the HRE when the Khan died and he had to basically drop EVERYTHING and go back to mongolia because as superlatively based as the mongol military was under Subutai their political system couldn't handle long campaigns far from home, they had no system to ensure smooth strategic command and control across political successions.
Imagine what Subutai could have accomplished if he hadn't needed to go back for the Kural Tai... god I'm salivating.
>>676936
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA no
>>676936
Because mongolia is a meme empire and irrelevant
>mongols will couldn't even beat the shithole of europe
>this triggers the mongolaboos
>>677761
wow anon, ur so smrt
They used mercenaries and expatriates, plus the steppe was within distance so that they could still effectively fight.
You're forgetting that they fucked up in Southern China and Vietnam
>>677010
>>677763
>>677895
>>679752
>The most common reason given for this withdrawal is the Great Khan Ögedei's death on December 11, 1241, which supposedly forced the Mongols to retreat to Mongolia so that the princes of the blood could be present for the election of a new great khan. This is attested to by one primary source: the chronicle of Giovanni da Pian del Carpine, who after visiting the Mongol court, stated that the Mongols withdrew for this reason; he further stated that God had caused the Great Khan's death to protect Latin Christendom.[37] However, this contradicts the Mongol accounts; a high minister and historian of the Mongol Ilkhanate, Rashid Al-Din, explicitly states in his official history that the Mongols were not aware of Ögedei's death when they began their withdrawal.[38] Rashid's account more accurately reflects reality, as by Carpini's account, a messenger would have to be able to make the journey from Mongolia to Central Europe in a little over 3 months (at a minimum; according to Carpini, the messenger actually arrived in January, meaning he took about 1 month) in the middle of winter. Carpini himself accompanied a Mongol party in a much shorter journey (from Kiev to Mongolia) during the summer and fall of 1246, where the party "made great speed" in order to reach the election ceremony in time, and made use of several horses per person while riding nearly all day and night. It took five months
>>677015
>not understanding how the Chinese tribute system worked
Paying tribute to China is basically a mutual non-agression pact amongst all tributary states and also makes it really easy to trade with China for its sweet sweet goods. Doesn't matter which dynasty
>>676936
Their horse men needed a lot of grass for the animals to eat, which was available in f.e. the mongol steppe, but not in the mountainous landscape of Europe.
And probably what >>676988 said.
>>677005
The also adopted Chinese warfare tactics after conquering Wester-Xia. Furthermore tons of cities just capitulated before they even arrived.
>>680784
>Their horse men needed a lot of grass for the animals to eat, which was available in f.e. the mongol steppe, but not in the mountainous landscape of Europe.
Fuck off, retard.
>>680784
>Their horse men needed a lot of grass for the animals to eat, which was available in f.e. the mongol steppe, but not in the mountainous landscape of Europe.
It's actually more subtle than that. Steppelands are lousy for agriculture, growing horses on them is the best use of the land. But rich European soils can grow all kinds of crops, that will support much larger populations and thus economies than the steppes can. Nomads who conquer settled countries typically lose their horse-culture very quickly for this reason.
>>680784
China is not a Steppe. The Mongols conquered it.
>>678916
What's going on in this gif?
>>681218
But it has grasslands
