dumb bitch
like seriously, holy fuck she was so retarded
>>59690
Most women are
Anyone else think Joanna of Castile was one hot bitch?
At least she didn't fuck the horses, unlike Catherine the "Great".
A very good representation of the phrase, "Living in an ivory tower".
Let her remain an example for history.
>>59690
Historically speaking, that's a pretty based C cup she has there.
>>59728
pure propaganda.
How so?
> she never said "let them eat cake" that is republican propaganda.
"While it is commonly attributed to Queen Marie Antoinette,[1] there is no record of this phrase ever having been said by her"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
Her and her husbands' failures to the proletarian population were mostly due to the narcissism of their court, telling them what they wanted to hear.
Whilst their country was failing, they were surrounded by sycophants who only wanted to appease them.
Granted, them being brought up as aristocratic royals did not make them favourable amongst the peasants. But they were caught up in it, and had next to no involvement in the French revolution.
>>59792
her profligacy caused a large budget deficit
>>59831
Also true, but do you think she balanced the budget herself? It is doubtful.
Remember, history is written by the victors. She was not a victor.
>be Louis XVI
>spend all the monie to give US independence
>go bankrupt
>french people not happy
>revolution ensues
>get guillotined
Americans should be eternally grateful for this sacrifice.
>>59792
Cake = bread by the way.
>>60012
But she said that comment when she was very young.
Kids say stupid shit remember...
>>59831
She was completely innocent in 'The Diamond Necklace Affair' which is what brought more hate on her than anything else. Notice that in OP's picture she's not wearing a necklace, she never did again after the scandal. She was a proper woman with solid integrity and an impressive backbone. At her trial she was accused of having an incestuous relationship with her son and she fought these scandalous accusations so impressively that the charges were dropped and she was applauded.
Marie Antoinette undeniably had more spine than Louie XI, but this was arguably her problem. As Danton said, she was 'the only man in the family.' Like many other monarchs she truly believed in divine right and that the monarchy was untouchable, so she was of course offended at the idea of a constitution, let alone a republic. Her correspondence with her family in Austria to destroy the revolution caused her more trouble than it helped but from the point of view of divine-right monarch fighting the revolution makes sense. Antoinette's flaw when faced with the revolution was that she was firmly stuck into the ideas that were hammered into her head from birth. Keep in mind who her mother was, Maria Theresa was an exceptionally strong-willed and powerful woman so Antoinette probably felt like she had a lot to live up to.
She did spend a lot in her early years at Versailles but that's how everyone behaved at Versailles and as a bored and lonely stranger there wild spending was just about the only escape she had. I feel bad for her more than anything else.
End part 1 of superpost.
>>59997
we could build them a statue of marianne
would that pay the denbts?
>>60012
Not true. The original phrase is "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".
Brioche is a viennoiserie/pâtisserie which is neither a cake nor really a bread (in French language) but a kind of sugary bread.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brioche
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viennoiserie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry
>>59997
The revolution was the best thing to ever happen to France and Europe as a whole. Some royals got screwed over, about time if you ask me.
>>60102
Also consider the character of her husband, Louie. He was a particularly weak-willed and pathetic man. Like Marie he felt like he had a responsibility to his station which compelled him to oppose the revolution, but he show the same conviction towards his role as a husband at all. From what we know it seems likely that they didn't consummate their marriage until years after their wedding when Marie's brother personally came to Versailles and had some 'guy talk' with Louie. Louie was apparently really into locksmithing as a hobby and the story is that Marie's brother used lock and key terminology to give Louie the confidence to carry out his husbandly duties.
Louie's inept leadership prompted Marie to step up and push him towards some maybe not particularly wise decisions and Louie's fear and avoidance of his wife prompted her to seek wild escapism to stay sane, which drew spite from France's poor and suffering. She was never running the country and could only ever directly do so much and at the same time what she did do she did as a reaction to the unusual and alienating events taking place around her.
Marie Antoinette didn't have a positive influence on France during her time as Queen however I think it would be wrong to condemn her as a 'dumb bitch' or even any kind of 'poor monarch' at all. Marie's character and views were more or less typical for someone of her status and station and I would in fact even go as far as to say that Marie Antoinette was one of the better ones and she simply got a bad deal out of things.
>>60190
Good post. Thanks
>>60134
The revolution was an ethical and political disaster. The country was a mess due to the slow but sure failure of the old regime and some kind of change was most certainly reasonable but what followed the bankruptcy of France was absolute madness driven by fear and hate that left everybody worse off. Sure when the blood stopped flowing people were taxed in a way that made sense and the unfair estates system was gone but that all could have been done so much more painlessly if the thinking of a few radical city thugs didn't become the mainstream for a few years.
>>60190
She was also pretty young when it happened.
Not stupid, but a bit lazy, and married at 14, then untouched for 8 years by her "husbband" while being curious in the matter. So, kind of a typical teenager, wanted to have fun and for most of her life didn't give a fuck about politics and her role as a queen.
She could have done so much if she hadn't had this"swag yolo" mentality.
That being said, what that made her very unpopular were her (humongous) expenses, more than her behaviour.
>>60455
The English court spent more money than the French, Marie was perceived as a one woman deficit but that didn't make her one. She spent significant amounts of money but one woman can't really have even made a dent in an entire national treasury. She was a face that people decided to attach to a large and complicated issue.
France's financial problems were caused by wars and their tax system and administration systems being broken on a base level.
>>60494
I'm talking about popular opinion, not economical facts.
She had visible expenses.
300 000 Louis bracelet, 800 000 Louis necklace
The Petit Trianon and Saint-Cloud, 6 million? Granted
And gifts to her friends, or debt erasment
Such a fucking waste.
>>60592
They are gorgeous and cost just as much as useless ugly government buildings housing a few bureaucrats doing nothing but "regulating" people's lives that we have built since then.
Her style is very, very feminine but in this category it's the best ever done.
If you knew what we get today as art produced with tax money.
>>60662
>If you knew what we get today as art produced with tax money.
I'm actually interested to know more about this. Do you mean government commissioned art or just things that are bought? I know that Australia bought Pollock's 'Blue Poles' for some huge sum at one point, is that the kind of thing you mean?
>>60372
This or either way, she was a massive slut.
You can't deny that.
