it has been 25 years since the end of the gulf war and now that the dust has settled i think its time to discuss whether bush's invasion was justified.
>>561928
>illegally occupying another country
How wasn't it justified?
>Iraq annexes Kuwait
>Kuwait doesn't want to be Iraqi
That's the legal and moral side done. The practical side went like this.
>Iraq has a large proportion of the world's proven oil reserves
>so does Kuwait
>Saudi Arabia has even more oil
>if we don't do something about this, a single man will control 50% of the world's oil supply
>>561928
dunno but the war did produce some great photographs
>>561952
That didn't change the fact that the people of Kuwait had the right to self determination, and they didn't want to be Iraqi subjects.
>>561952
Maybe if you wanted a say in it you should've won.
>>561952
Oh, its all the whyte mans fault that Saddam wanted mo oil fo dem WMD's huh.
>>561954
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>>561956
is there some statistics on this?
>>561954
I agree.
>>561941
Both of those are completely valid reasons. Especially because, as the largest user of oil in the world, keeping the price of it down is of the utmost importance to the USA.
>>561968
>>561952
From the remains of the Ottoman Empire. Unless Sadam was a secret reincarnation of the last Sultan I don't see how that's a relevant claim. Iraq never owned Kuwait.
>>561976
>>561971
http://www.meforum.org/238/the-kuwaiti-resistance
Its really too early for statistics. But this works nicely.
>>561928
sadam did nothing wrong
>>561971
It's been notoriously hard for Pew to conduct surveys in occupied countries during wars.
>>561981
Actually it did own kuwait. Under the Ottoman empire, Kuwait was under the same jurisdiction of Iraq. Regardless, that happened to be 80 years previous.
>>561971
The fact that there is and was a defence treaty between the US and Kuwait spells it out pretty well.
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>>562016
ebin camo
>>562024
>this guy slaps your gf on the ass
From 1991 to 2003 Iraq broke 1.6 UNSC resolutions a year, resolutions which Iraqi delegations had agreed to follow.
Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of kurds and he did that with chemical weapons.
Iraq had invaded Kuwait.
Iraq started the Iran-Iraq war.
They didn't cooperate with the inspectors.
The US was supported by several other countries.
And they were developing nuclear weapons.
Diplomacy had been tried several times already and didn't work. And as Clausewitz puts it, "war is the continuation of diplomacy by other means".
The only arguments against the invasion are:
>m-muh imperialism
>m-muh UN
Imperialism isn't really an argument, it's just RT propaganda not worth spending my time refuting. The only reasonable argument is that it was against UN protocols for the US and its friends to militarily intervene in the country without the UNSC's seal of approval. But then again, this can be easily refuted by the fact that there was nothing better to be done and the UN wasn't really doing anything to help except complain. The UN is a geopolitical grindlock.
Thread closed.
>>562024
>>561952
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>>561999
if you support sadam husssein you are literally hitler
>>562031
>>562038
The best argument against the invasion would be
>the objective was to improve US security
>it failed
>>562042
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>>562038
Wrong war buddy. Most of this stuff didnt happen until AFTER the Persian Gulf.
>>562053
They actually stopped these fires by setting off explosives in the wells.
You wouldnt think explosives = no more fire.
>>562060
Shock waves can starve a fire of oxygen.
I gotta say, being the guy who uses explosives to fight massive fires doesn't sound like a bad job.
hippies protest even the most justified wars.
>>562053
>>561956
Kuwait is a society of butt fuckers....literally. it's printed on the currency. " Men are for pleasure women are for breeding". Iraqi's call them fags then kick the shit out of them. Saddam just took it to another level.
>>562064
>OP said it has been 25 years since the end of the gulf war in his OP. The Iraq War is considered as a part of the Gulf Wars and OP might well be a time traveller that posts this from 2028 so I'm in the right thread.
lol what?
>>562064
I'm seriously interested in hearing your rationale here.
From where I'm sitting.
>prior to 2003, Iraq was contained by the US
>the cost of containment was far from free, but far, far cheaper than war
>invading Iraq led to a civil war, which revived Sunni-Shia tensions across the entire region, and killed hundreds of thousands of people
>the campaign to stabilize Iraq cost America ~5k KIA, and severely hampered US military capabilities in Afghanistan
>the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan was largely a result of this shortage of combat troops from 2003 to 2011
>the Saddam government had inflamed sectarian tensions so badly that once he was removed, the government would inevitably become a Shia apartheid state controlled by Iran
>this apartheid state would inevitably fuel Sunni grievances, which manifested themselves in the form of ISIS
>instead of having Iran and Iraq contained and Afghanistan pacified, we ended up with Iran dominating the region, Iraq as a base for the exact sort of Sunni radicalism that caused 9/11, and Afghanistan being contested by a revitalized Taliban
>>562073
amphibious assault vehicles in the desert
>>562064
the gulf war went from August 2, 1990 to February 28, 1991
>>562064
The Iraq war is by no means part of the Gulf War. Two separate wars, separate reasons, with separate participants. Simply because both wars were against Iraq doesnt mean that theyre the same.
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>>562087
>February 28, 1991
25 year rule
>>562094
Might be that continuous naval blockade in the middle madey.
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>>562128
the Abrams has been around for a while
>>562134
>>561941
iirc, wasn't Kuwait in debt to Iraq for some reason?
>>562116
>August 2, 1990
As long as we only talk about events happening up to the 16 January, were fine.
>>562139
>>562152
out of desert storm photos but i can post some desert shield stuff if people want
>>562161
yes please.
>>562161
>>562145
The other way around actually. Iraq owed kuwait money, and was insisting that both kuwait and saudi arabia cancel its war debts.
Then Iraq accused kuwait of slant drilling, which kuwait offered to pay 9 out of 10 billion of Iraqs proposed fee for this (even though it probably wasnt slant drilling), and Iraq invaded anyway.
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>>562174
well captcha is being shit so no more photos
>>562198
Neat pics m8
>>562038
>And they were developing nuclear weapons.
IIRC most of the WMDs found in Iraq were actually the ones we gave them during the Iran-Iraq war.
There was no evidence of nuclear weapons, though.
>>562063
No, that sounds like a horrible job.
A fucking cool job, but a horrible job.
>>562272
Alluminium tubes
>>562168
ah thanks senpai
>>562326
No evidence that they were to be used for nuclear weapons.
>>562070
>tfw practically the same thing has been going on unchecked for 25 years, just under a different name.
>>562124
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>>562070
Vietnam ended only 15 years earlier, people had no faith in the ability of the US Military to win another war.
Think about how 9/11 is still brought up to this day as justification for doing XY and Z. 9/11 was 15 years ago too.
>>562087
OH MY GOD ARE THOSE STERLING SMG's?
>>562038
I agree but 25 year rule
>>563201
>I agree but 25 year rule
Based on all the discussions /his/ has about dawkins and harris, I'd say it is more like a "25 year suggestion."
/his/ is a weird mixture of /lit/,/k/,and /pol/
>>562038
>Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of kurds and he did that with chemical weapons.
And who gave those to Iraq?
>>563592
Like literally all of the rules on 4chan, the 25 year thing is an excuse for the mods to ban shitposters.
>>562124
Was Scharwzkopf the last great US General?
>>562016
I remember watching the video of the bombing of Baghdad from a hotel room as a kid. I was like 2 years old.
>>563606
>m-mommy you gave me the toy
>this means that i can hit someone else with the toy because it was given to me
>>563592
The 25 year rule is for history. Humanities, along with philosophy, can be contemporary.
>>565329
>see a two teens fighting
>give the other a gun because you don't like the person he's fighting
>let him keep the gun after the fight
>the next day, he brings his gun to school and starts shooting at his classmates
>WHAT THE FUCK HOW DID THIS HAPPEN
>>561952
*Anglos
Don't blame All Westerners for the Actions of those Inbred Island Monkeys
