Did any of you guys have History teachers back in the day that told blatantly incorrect facts?
I remember my old History teacher once told us Finland used to be communist and part of the warsaw pact. She even told me I was wrong when I politely questioned if it was true.
Does anyone have any similar old stories?
A history teacher once told me "The Nazis we baaad mm'kay?"
Brazilian History has plenty of stupid Conspiracy Theories taught as facts.
Example: Paraguay War.
We are taught: Brazil went to war against Paraguay because the British Empire was threatened by Paraguay and wanted it defeated.
What happened: We didn't have any diplomatic contact with Britain at the time. Paraguay was the one that attacked Brazil, we had a shitty army and the first part of the war consisted on Brazil being invaded and losing.
>>503777
Fact: This never happened.
>>503803
Yep, Brazilian history class, where verything is the fault of either the "burgeoisie" or of foreign powers.
>>503777
Except once were he said that Zeus became a fish to kidnap Europa, I don't remember any big mistake.
>>503808
I would tell you "yes it did" but as there is no way for me to prove it you can believe whatever you want. In reality though this story is completely true and frankly isn't that hard to believe it is
>>503824
The reason for the British pressure to end slave trade they give in Brazil is awful as well.
"To create domestic demand in Brazil".
English industrialists actually were against the anti slave trade campaign.
>>503777
Honestly, the most interesting thing that ever happened in high school history was when our resident smartass kid kept interrupting the teacher about pre-WW1 diplomatic maneuvering stuff, and was acidly asked if he wanted to teach the class, he got up and started lecturing.
Did a reasonable job of presenting it too.
>>503777
Literally anything about Communism
Thanks America
>>503845
He was most likely right.
>>503845
I actually had a teacher who was a self described socialist who made us read excerpts from Marx all the time, I really wish I had your experience instead
>knights couldn't move quickly in armor
>Oliver Cromwell was a traitor
>>503777
I had a Missouri History teacher who would always talk shit on Kansas and talk about how he wanted to burn Lawrence, KS to the ground just like the good guy Quantrill did.
I had another history teacher who would basically give me podium time to rant about something he was teaching about. He would even use me to create discussions in the class and ask my opinion on certain things.
Needless to say, I loved my high school history experiences. The only time I had any history related horror stories were in classes that were actually called "Geography". Geography itself is an "academic discipline" (see: hugbox, echo chamber, circlejerk) filled to the brim with ignorant leftists that lacked the analytical ability to be in history.
>>503923
> Oliver Cromwell wasn't based
I hate having to explain this one. He was arguably the only "good" dictator of early modern times.I mean he did what he did to try and make the country good and pious. His heart was in the right place. Shame we defaulted back to the crown.
Cannae was a victory for the gauls
Slightly related; I had a work group instructor (with a PhD)during my bachelor Public Administration who claimed that 'there were no living people in the year 0'
And I'm not eve going to a bad university, but i guess it has more to do with an abysmal lack of knowledge on the historical backgrounds of our world in general
A story, kind of
>Teenage me loved history but hated most schoolwork
>So i just dicked around and read during class.
>Every year my history teacher literally had a disability. From insane stutter to tourettes.
>Being a dumb apathetic teen usually got me in trouble to where my teachers all got together to have a talk with me.
>The same shit everytime, "If you put effort into your classes, you could be an honors student, etc etc.
>My gf (Then and current) always knew how much i loved history and how many books i have on antiquity.
>Still didn't participate in class, still didn't give a shit about academics and only graduated because of test/ project grades.
Did i fuck up in not taking up a honors history class in high school?
>>503934
>I hate having to explain this one. He was arguably the only "good" dictator of early modern times.I mean he did what he did to try and make the country good and pious. His heart was in the right place. Shame we defaulted back to the crown.
*dib*
>>503923
>fought against the king
>made himself king in all but name
>imprisoned, exiled and executed people who wanted actual equality and democracy
>>504070
No honors history classes were jokes. It's too brief and they don't really go in depth to anything specific. I learned more reading on my own
>>503838
Based
>>504249
That's the case with alot of kids, even today.
>>503777
I have some but I can't remember them all at once.
One teacher mistake I can remember is not history related.
The first definition I got for "mammal" was that it was the animals who gave birth to babies/not eggs.
>Told us that Lenin din do no nuffin
>Told us Rhodesia was an Imperial German colony
>Tried to tell us that the Panzer armies flooded across the Maginot instead of the Ardennes
Grade 12 teacher borked a student couple years back.
Does that count?
>>503931
>would always talk shit on Kansas and talk about how he wanted to burn Lawrence, KS to the ground just like the good guy Quantrill did.
>the analytical ability to be in history
>>503777
The war with Japan ended because we dropped two nukes on it, and they wouldn't have surrendered otherwise.
>Every public US school education, ever.
On the other hand, aside from that, every other thing folks claim are "secret history that The Man is trying to keep from us", my school taught as fact. The Gulf of Tonkin false flag, the Maine, the fact that the sun revolves around the galactic core (hell, that was elementary school), operation Mockingbird, operation Northwoods, the false flag of the Lusitania, The Iran-Contra affair (this while Reagan was still in office, mind ye)... Bunch of other supposed "secrets" that are being "repressed". I think there was even a paragraph or two on MK-Ultra in our high school history books. So, meh.
I was told that in victorian england if a woman got raped they thought it transformed her into a raging whore. And that pimps would hunt down and rape unsuspecting girls so they'd lose their purity and be disowned by their families, forcing them into prostitution.
>>504649
Well, if you were a woman, and it was known you were raped in Victorian England, prostitution would be more or less your only option, so...
McCarthy had no just claims and it was a total wild goose chase
>Hitler got elected because of the effectiveness of Nazi brainwashing and propaganda
>There wasn't a lot of anti-Semitism in Europe before Hitler got elected
Pull the lever to save the most amount of people.
My grade 12 history teacher would just show us youtube videos like le pop history man and shit. Then again, he was also the basketball coach so I suspect history wasn't his field of expertise. He did let us do essays on anything that interested us about a specific era, so that was pretty cool.
>>505110
What did you write about anon?
>>503777
My Freshman American history teacher was a Paleo-Conservative nutjob who would often go off the lesson plan to flirt with various conspiracy theories and rants about Bill Clinton.
It was actually pretty great, but we never had any work so I kept falling asleep. Even if I was interested in the topic, I could hardly ever stay awake unless we had work to do.
He was a pretty great teacher though, seemed really interested in what he taught and got along great with the class (even the students who were just in the class to skip on work). Sometimes I wish I could go back. Fuck I want to go back I hate my life jesus fuck I want to be a kid again fuck.
>>505074
>Pull the lever to save the most amount of people.
ehh, it was funnier when it was a /lit/ meme first
Actually we got spared the majority of the bullshit lies. The only thing was that we didn't go as far in depth as I would have liked, but then again this is high school we're talking about.
"Miss, what religion was Hitler?"
"Well, he didn't believe in God, and Nazism was actually his religion."
>>505182
Proofs?
>>505204
Most likely thought you were stupider than you are and tried and failed to simplify it.
Many of my teachers did that
>>505255
This post was
>>let them eat cake
>What did she mean by this?
>>505251
She literally could have left it at atheist instead of making up a lie.
She was later removed from the teaching staff
>>505273
How old were you when this happened?
>>505275
14/15/16
None of us were stupid, it was a school with academic selection.
It is just something that stuck with me
>>503777
Not high school, but last year I was enrolled in European History before 1650 and my professor, a tenured old white guy who was usually awesome, started lecturing on Black Athena at the end of class. Now I had read about Black Athena and already knew it was bullshit.
Unfortunately some people in the class seemed very intrigued by the idea that, according to the pictures on the powerpoint, the evil pale, blonde hair, blue-eyed Greeks stole all of Western civilization from the superior Egyptian civilization, populated entirely by people who, despite being in Egypt resembled West African wet dreams of grandeur with ebony skin. Not even Nubian looking people, just a Kayne looking dude in pharaoh outfit.
So after class I decided to confront him about it and ask why he was teaching debunked fringe theories in an otherwise respectable class. That being said I was still a little drunk from rushing the night before. So I saunter up to the front of his classroom. We start talking, and despite my occasional slurred sentence and poor balance after about 15min he admitted the only reason he taught it was because he went to Cornell with the author of the theory.
After saying good-bye and trying to appear normal until i left the classroom I rushed to the bathroom at the other end of the hall and vomitted.
Originally I thought he just ended the conversation early to avoid a long debate with a drunk because he never mentioned it when I went to office hours. But I had a friend in that class this previous semester and he said the professor never brought up the Black Athena theory.
>>505260
well there wherent enough bread so she said let them eat brioche cause that apperently isent the same thing as bread (it fucking is tho)
>>503777
My teacher once told me i'm smart.
>>505204
>Most likely thought you were stupider than you are and tried and failed to simplify it.
this isnt wrong exactly, he was an atheist and was the center of a cult of personality that was central to nazism itself
>>503777
Nah, I got sent to a student ambassadorial program when I was 12 for writing out a paper detailing the allied war effort in World War Two. (Yes the soviets would have won without anybody else involved, it would have just been longer.)
I remember walking out of class in my freshman year because AP history ended up being little history and a lot of "we're going to toe the line between lie and truth because it might offend some students".
I just got put back in regular history classes after that.
>>505218
here it is
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/3748579
I'm Irish. When I was 13/14 my fucking idiot of a History teacher mockingly asked the class "Why we (the Irish) didn't just all start fishing during the famine". Cuz you know, we're an Island and obvious we could have all instantly move to the coast and magicked up some boats and magiced up the skills and equipment to catch the fish in the quality required.
He never made any attempt to explain the actual causes of the famine or any of the details behind it. That the famine was caused by Protestant Landlords (the Ascendancy) who didn't even live in Ireland "renting" the land to the Irish at terrible costs (land literally taken from the natives because the penal laws made it illegal for a Catholic to have any wealth above the poverty line). These terrible rent costs, along with the farms in Ireland being divided into smaller and smaller units, made Potatoes the only viable crop to grow.
The potato, until most other crops, requires very little to grow upon. The potato is also one of the most nutritious vegetables you can eat: While not advisable, you can literally live on nothing but potatoes and water because potatoes contain all the required nutrients to survive.
In the conditions the Irish lived in in the 1840s, the potato was the only logic crop to grow: It gave the most reward for the least amount of land. This lend to utter dependence on it. And then a 5 year blight came along and everyone died.
I don't expect many to care about this, in fact I'll probably be mocked. But in the context of Ireland, it's ridiculous that an Irish teacher doing Irish history classes with Irish students couldn't nor didn't want to give an overview of the Irish famine.
This is just one of the many dumb things the old coot did and he was shipped out of the school shortly afterwards as it modernised. The old bastard wasn't particularly qualified he just had the right connections for a long time but eventually his luck ran out.
>>505427
Oh, there was my English exam at the end of my 12th year.
I always loved those exams, they had essays that were always decent questions and had potential for me to flex my brain and tie an irrelevant situation into it without quite leaving the idea.
Then they gave me the following topic to write on -
"Tell us about a time you were excited. How did it turn out? Were you disappointed?"
I told them about the time I went to school hoping for a decent prompt for my exam and was severely disappointed.
I got a 4. (Highest grade)
>>504529
>assblasted Jayhawker redleg detected
Careful, Kansan. You're gonna get yourself crusaded again.
>>505120
I wrote about the US Army tests for a new general infantry rifle during the 30's, and the effect WW2 had on small arms development later on in the cold war.
>>505477
I wrote about Russian genocide of the Cossacks under communism
>>505477
I love the Penderson.
I wrote a lot about nuclear weapons development and testing, and also the birth of Godzilla.
>>505460
>shit history teacher
>not qualified
It's remarkable how often these two go hand in hand.
>>505420
He claimed otherwise, repeatedly, both in his memoirs and in public. The only claims of him being atheist stem from dubious third hand accounts, and he actually made secular schools illegal, demanding all Germans be taught Christianity.
>>504522
I had a teacher who got pissed and threw a chair at a retarded kid. He was an English teacher, though.
>>505420
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." - Adolph Hitler, personal letter to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." - Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work." - Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." - Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922
"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people." - Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, upon Christianising all German schools by law
Total atheist...
Stalin on the other hand - though, yeah, even there...
>>505474
>calling murderous thuggery for the purpose of spreading slavery a crusade
>unironically defending Quantrill
butt-rustled border ruffian detected
why don't you go complain about the War of "Northern Aggression" on /pol/ where they might enjoy such discussion
>>505501
NOONE ACTUALLY BELIEVES, OR CLAIMS, THAT ADOLF HITLER WAS/REGARDED HIMSELF AN "ATHEIST", SO YOU ARE COUNTERARGUING NONEXISTENT CLAIMS.
>>505487
Me too.
>>503923
Cromwell was pretty fucking treasonous m8.
>>505068
>There wasn't a lot of anti-Semitism in Europe before Hitler got elected
Did they literally say that, or is that just what you assume they meant to imply by the previous statement?
I remember a HS history teacher that left the book a bit to explain the reason for Germans being so ready for an anti-semetic leader and war was the economic rape bought on them by Jewish bankers, but did add the caveat that the victors of World War I assigned them the task, as most bankers were Jews, due to ages old usury laws spawning traditions, and the profits, for the most part, went to their employers, not the Jews themselves.
This history book itself more or less covered that economic rape as a motivation for war, but kinda skipped over the Jew part.
Aryan meant blue eyed and blond haired people
>>505542
She, implied that Hitler generated the anti-Semitism in Europe.
>>503934
The irish would like to have a word with you.
>>505543
If the US army had adopted the Pedersen, they'd have had a semiauto intermediate cartridge rifle, but it took them until the M16 to do so.
My high school physics teacher would go off on tangents about history all the time, and I would get so pissed because basically everything he learned was a common misconception.
Example: Back in the dark ages there were the crusaders where the English invaded the holy land to conquer territory from the Muslims because it was "god's will". And that's bullcrap, the crusades were about nothing other than land and English were just greedy.
God I just wanted to explode that day
>>505552
To speak out of turn.
He probably wasn't a very devout Christian.
But more of an... I don't know, I feel like he believed in righteousness and divine inspiration.
>>505556
>the English were greedy
That sums up about 99% of British history.
I'm falling for the Eternal anglo meme.
Didn't Hitler alternate frequently between various contradictory religious sentiments? He seemed to swerve between being Catholic and genociding them, propose revivals of Norse paganism, and suggest in the manner of the French Revolution a quasi-atheistic state religion where the object of religion is the state?
>>505546
Might have generated *more* surely - but jeeze, how did she teach the rest of European history without touching on a few hundred incidents of "let's all kill the Jews, again."?
>>505110
quinn?
>>505501
>>505520
Hitler wasn't known for consistency. I'm certain he never attended church nor made a show of his piety in public. And if we look at his actions, he first made a concordat with the Vatican, but by the late 1930s he and the government came to see the Catholic Church as a fifth column. It was still possible for a child to be raised his entire life inside the Catholic church without seriously encountering nazism, and so the government began to crack down on Catholicism, though the success of these operations varied on the location and willingness of officials to enforce it. And let's face it, the euthanasia campaign, when it leaked to the public, was heavily contested by the Catholic (and Protestant Churches) and was not very "christian" of Hitler. Anyway, the whole issue is not so cut and dry I admit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany
>>504623
The US wanted an unconditional surrender. Your teachers were partially correct about what they said. The Japanese would have held out for further negotiations if it weren't for the nukes.
>>505584
He's a lot more consistent if you stick to his own words - suspect a lot of this is folks that just don't *want* him to be remembered as Christian, or can't admit it to themselves. Though, it's true, the Catholic Church was playing both sides during that war, which eventually lead to friction.
>>505530
He was a deist. Not a Christian, not an atheist
>>505560
ADOLF HITLER WAS AND REGARDED HIMSELF AN "AUTHENTIC CHRISTIAN" —ID EST: GNOSTIC— IN ITS BELIEF AND FAITH; HE DISREGARDED ORGANIZED RELIGION IN GENERAL AS SUPERFLUOUS, AND REGARDED JUDEOCHRISTIANITY IN PARTICULAR AS A PERVERSE CORRUPTION OF THE AUTHENTIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.
>>505572
She didn't.
US education is concise.
7th grade (in Texas) is Texas history.
9th grade is world geography
10th grade is AP world history (mostly ancient, very little modern stuff)
11th is AP US history
>>505605
Can you post the .gif from Olympia with the tits?
Also, what do you think about phantom time theory?
>>503777
>5th grade history test
>true or false
>the Native Americans did not practice warfare before the arrival of the white man
>answered false
>got it wrong
>>505589
The only condition they wouldn't give us was the deposing of their Emperor.
...and what did we do in the end? We let them keep their Emperor! (Actually, the end surrender terms they got, were much more favorable for them than the ones they were sending us through the Russians, before we even dropped the first nuke.)
Those two bombs wiped out close to 150,000 civilians, but only killed about 3000 soldiers and one major military installation between them. We were doing more than that on a monthly basis with conventional means for a year before then, so it didn't mean much of anything.
Meanwhile, you know what happened between those two bombs? The Japs lost 700,000 soldiers to the Russians in Manchuria. So, four times more soldiers than they lost civilians. Almost as many lost in a single week long campaign as they had lost to us in the entire war to date.
It's the Russian entry into the war that made the Japs so eager to surrender, not the nukes.
The bombs, in the end, had nothing to do with Japan, it was about sending Russia a message, and the dream that we could somehow retain a nuclear monopoly to keep Russia in check after the war.
>>505625
t. vatnik
>>505625
>It's the Russian entry into the war that made the Japs so eager to surrender, not the nukes.
And that's why they surrendered to the Soviets, right?
Russiaboo please go. More Japanese soldiers died of starvation that anything else. If you think losing under 1 million soldiers made a big difference to them, then you're fucking delusional. The threat of having entire cities wiped off the map by a single bomb was a bigger threat than losing more soldiers.
>>505613
>Also, what do you think about phantom time theory?
I THINK THAT IT IS CORRECT IN PRINCIPLE, BUT FLAWED IN ITS CONCLUSION; ID EST: IT IS NOT SUFFICIENTLY RADICAL; IT STILL REGARDS CURRENT ORTHODOX HISTORICAL CHRONOLOGY AS GENERALLY VALID.
>>503777
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
>>505638
WHAT ARE WE SHOUTING ABOUT
>>505638
Thanks rei.
Love of God I don't know why it turns me on when a women puts her hands above her head and stretches out her breasts.
Why is the webm so degraded?
>>505592
>He's a lot more consistent if you stick to his own words
I'd say his words are the most unreliable thing. Since he was a major propaganda tool of the regime, nothing he says can be taken at face value. That is why I said his ACTIONS show that he was a non-practicing Christian at best. And although I hate to quote wikipedia, it states that he also voiced anti-Christian views in private, which does call into question the consistency of his view:
>His anti-Christian world view is evidenced in sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk.
>>505635
Part of the conditions for war time aid from the allies to Russia during that war was that they would not take Japan... Not that either FDR nor Truman trusted them to keep their word. (Well, not Truman, anyways.)
The Imperialists showed a blatant disregard for civilian populous all throughout the war. They didn't care how many civilians died, so long as the war effort could be maintained, and those bombs had zero affect on them. The generals told the Emperor, straight up, "If the Russians enter the war, we be fucked, yo.", and as soon as they did, Japan was begging to surrender - we just didn't want to hear it, because we had to look towards the future.
Though it isn't that the bombs weren't necessary. If we hadn't demonstrated them before Potsdam Conference, the cold war woulda been a lot harder, and we woulda wound up using a lot more of them.
>>505651
>Why is the webm so degraded?
IT IS NOT "DEGRADED"; IT WAS PURPOSELY MADE LIKE THAT.
>>503777
>be me
>grade 8 social studies
>get new teacher straight out of college
>learning 7 years' war
Literally describes it like
>so the french attacked the british and the british got pissed off
>so the british attacked the french and the french got pissed off
>so the french attacked the british and the british got pissed off
>so the british attacked the french and the french got pissed off
>so the french attacked the british and the british got pissed off
>so the british attacked the french and the french got pissed off
>so the french attacked the british and the british got pissed off
>so the british attacked the french and the french got pissed off
And repeat. That class was fucking unbearable. We skipped over the War of 1812 later.
>>505527
>unironically defending John "I'm Gonna Kill Whites To Free Blacks Because God Told Me So" Brown
>Pottawatomie Massacre
>settlers hacked to death with broadswords
>defending people who couldn't win a fight until they had. Federal backing
>defending cowards who raped and pillaged Missouri and Arkansas once the Federals cleared the way
Quantrill, Anderson, the James-Younger Gang, and the first Ku Klux Klan were true Christian warriors and great American heroes. Go to East St. Louis, Ferguson, or the MU campus and enjoy the legacy of the evil Kansas-Federal alliance.
>>505668
Ah now I see, it's a tradition.
Are there any books you would reccomend I read Rei?
I enjoy seeing you post.
>>505687
>Ah now I see, it's a tradition.
HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE ".webm"?
>>505724
>Ah now I see, it's a transition.
HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION REGARDING THE ".webm"?
>>503777
"Europeans in Columbus' time thought the earth was flat and they would fall off the earth if they went too far, that's why he couldn't find anyone to give him a ship".
Nothing too terrible as I recall, but I do remember all discourse on the protestant reformation in highschool being "the Catholics were evil and Martin Luther fixed everything," which is incredibly biased, simplistic, and forces theological assumptions on history. I think that's a common narrative though.
>>505753
>Did you make the webm look that way or is it a transition within the movie?
THE ".webm" WAS PURPOSELY MADE TO SEEM AS IT APPEARS; THE TRANSITION IN THE "MOVIE" IS UNRELATED TO THE VIDEO EFFECT.
>Also, what do you think of Kenneth Clark?
I DO NOT KNOW WHO HE IS.
>And the Civilization series?
I DO NOT KNOW TO WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING.
>>505675
musta hit pretty close to the mark to get her riled up like that kid ;^)
>>505787
Why did you make it look that way?
>I don't know who he is
a historian, who knows a lot about art. Civilization is his TV series.
Good watch.
Also, what books would you reccomend
>>505851
>Why did you make it look that way?
BECAUSE I WANTED TO.
>Also, what books would you reccomend[SIC][?]
REGARDING WHAT?
>>505869
Let's say, this phantom time stuff you've been talking about recently.
Or how about something on German/Nazi occultism?
>>505879
>Let's say, this phantom time stuff you've been talking about recently.
YOU MEAN "HISTORICAL CHRONOLOGY".
I FORTUITOUSLY DISCOVERED THE SUBJECT OF THE PROBABLE INVALIDITY OF THE PREVALENT ORTHODOX HISTORICAL CHRONOLOGY AFTER REALIZING THAT I HAD BEEN A PRIORI REGARDING HERACLITUS —ONE OF MY FAVOURITE PHILOSOPHERS—, AND HIS "WORK", SUBSEQUENTLY REALIZING THAT THE SOURCES FOR HIS LIFE, AND HIS "WORK", WERE DUBIOUS THEMSELVES.
AFTER SEARCHENGINING, I FOUND THE "WORK" OF A RUSSIAN MAN NAMED "ANATOLY FOMENKO", TITLED "HISTORY: FICTION OR SCIENCE?", AND I HAVE BEEN READING IT SINCE; HIS TREATMENT IS THE MOST RADICAL, SO I RECOMMEND THE SEVEN VOLUMES THAT CONSTITUTE THAT "WORK".
>Or how about something on German/Nazi occultism?
"NAZI OCCULTISM" IS A SUBJECT THAT I DESPISE, AND ONE WHICH, ODDLY, HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY SHOWCASED IN THE MEDIA SINCE AFTER THE WAR DESPITE NATIONAL SOCIALISM, AND THE THIRD REICH, BEING "TABOO".
WHY IS THAT SO? BECAUSE IT SERVES THE PURPOSE OF OBFUSCATION AND OCCLUSION OF THE TRUTH OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM, AND ARYANISM IN GENERAL.
>>505968
I'd be interested to hear how Fomenko gets around the issue of radiocarbon dating, which is considered both highly accurate and scientifically sound.
For example, if he claims Jesus was born in 1053 AD, then how does he explain that radiocarbon dating of items that reference Jesus have been dated to hundreds of years earlier, such as the Nag Hammadi library (dated to about 200-400 AD)?
>>505545
I remember when we were talking about the Nazis and the teacher pointed me out (I'm a fairly swarthy Greek) and said the Nazis would have sent me to the camps for not being Aryan.
>>506009
>radiocarbon dating... is considered both highly accurate and scientifically sound
NOT REALLY; IT IS NOT EVEN CONSIDERED AS SUCH BY THOSE WHO DEFEND IT.
>>505968
What do you think of dendrochronology?
>>505650
He doesn't shout anon, he's typing.
>>506021
That's simply not true. Of course there are always margins of error but even so the accuracy is extraordinary given the way dates had to be constructed previously (often by comparative guesswork). Also the dating and margin of error obey known physical laws of radioactive decay, so they are in fact scientifically sound. The Nag Hammadi papyrus (to continue with that example) is dated between 200-400 AD, the range of possible values doesn't extend anywhere near the year 1053 AD. In addition that dating correlates with datings of related aspects of the find, like the script used, the technology used (papyrus), etc.
>>506049
*papyri
>>506049
THE MAIN PROBLEM, BESIDE THE CHRONOLOGICAL BASIS, IS THAT IT IS NOT CERTAIN HOW IT IS THAT RADIOCARBON DECAY IS AFFECTED BY THE ENVIRONMENT BEYOND A CERTAIN RANGE OF ANTIQUITY, AND RECENCY, SO WHAT IS DATED COULD BE EITHER DRASTICALLY OLDER, OR DRASTICALLY MORE RECENT; RADIOCARBON DECAY IS CURRENTLY "MEASURED" ACCORDING TO ARBITRARILY SET EMPIRICAL PARAMETERS, THUS, MEASURES OF THAT KIND ARE SUBJECT TO GREAT UNACCURACY.
My old science teacher told the class that clothes didn't exist before machines were created to make them
Can anyone explain to me why this stupid namefag is shitposting about a highly improbable theory and that it seems one fool is eating this shit up?
Honestly out of all the stupid shit in the thread this takes the cake.
>>503941
Well you might consider it true because at least in the western dating system there is no year 0.
>>503777
its more of a /k/ thing but I had a teacher get mad at me when I put up my hand and corrected him on the fact that Canadians didn't attack Cherbourg during D-Day.
>>506130
I just want the tripfag to stop typing so obnoxiously.
>>503803
The war of the triple alliance was some serious shit.
>>506038
I DO NOT THINK OF IT.
>>506200
> In some areas of the world, it is possible to date wood back a few thousand years, or even many thousands. As of 2013, fully anchored chronologies in the northern hemisphere extend back 13,900 years.
How do you reconcile with idea data such as this? The fact that many species of tree grow in a regular ring pattern, with thinner rings each winter and thinker in summer (also periods of drought etc reflected in the pattern) and the ability to identify the same patterns in trees from the region. And being able to overlap these records which the quote says has occurred for the past 13,900 years
>>506231
*your idea with*
>>506231
SINCE DENDROCHRONOLOGY DOES NOT INTEREST ME AT ALL, I HAVE NOT ACQUAINTED MYSELF WITH IT, THEREFORE I MUST NOT COMMENT REGARDING THAT.
>>506128
human hands are a machine
>>504623
>Lusitania
>not a false flag
>>504623
Northern cailforina by any chance?
I had one who thought the 1800s were the 18th century and so on. Also said Benedict Arnold was only betraying the Americans for me. And ignored me when I pointed out there are still Shakers living to this day.
>>506427
*money (sorry phone is being weird)
>>505545
My teachers also said this.
How was I supposed to make sense of things when they said that Hitler (black hair, seemingly brown eyes) said these things? I genuinely thought he hated himself and that was why he killed himself. I was eight at the time.
>>505968
>FOMENKO
Lmao, KOZ, your stupid
My history teacher didn't say that everyone not blue-eyed and blonde would be killed, but he did say that me and my blonde classmates would be objectively better treated than a brown-haired dude.
>>503828
Well he did turn into a cuttle fish one time.
Probably just got mixed up.
My history teacher had us watch Schindler's List and that covered all World War 2.
Me and a mate got our teacher fired. Like no shit. She said something along the lines of "egyptians were black" and both of argued thatt heir complexity was rather present day Mediteranean. She wasn't even saying it out of some misguided SJW spirit, that was 8 years ago and not even today that strain of bullshit has not touched my country. It was pure ignorance.
Well, the argument got really heated, and she called both of us assholes, douchebags and disrespectful little shits, promptly kicking us out of the classroom. Straight to the principal we went, and straight out the door she went.
In high school I studied (among other courses) history, philosophy, latin, and greek.
They told me a lot of anecdotes of Roman emperors which I doubt were true (like Caligula).
They also told me pizza was invented by Roman soldiers who put dough on their shields.
>>503845
Muh evil kommiez
>>504070
You most likely woulda covered the same stuff with just more work. Thats how honors classes are in my school.
>>505204
Wasnt he protestant?
Some top of my head:
Caligula assigned his horse as a consul
Vikings had horned helmets
Japs only started fighting in 1939
I popped after the Vikings & Japs so I corrected the teacher. She refused to believe that vikings didn't have horned helmets still tho for some fucking reason.
>>505618
Kek
>>505618
R A G E
A G E R
G E R A
E R A G
not a history teacher but an English Literature teacher
The Goths invaded England and gave Europe Gothic architecture which then inspired Gothic literature
I went to a good school.
>>503934
>what he did to Ireland
>good
>>503777
Only thing i remember which bugs me in retroperspective it about this one History teacher who constantly ranted about the catholic church.
Saying how evil and retarded the crusaders were for attacking the peaceful muzzies, and comparing it to the Iraq war from 2003. Im a fedora myself, but he never missed an opportunity to blame le evil christians.
Other than that, i was schooled in Germany. So half the time we were talking about the holocosts and how Israel deserves to exist. etc
>>507766
kekkerdekek.
Sometimes I believe these teachers say shit on purpose as to encourage students to question what is taught.
>>506093
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The teacher said the wage gap exists.
>the American Civil War was about Slavery and the southerners fought so they could keep torturing those poor slaves ;_;
>there was a year 0
>the Catholic Church was anti-knowledge
>the native amercians never did anything wrong
>Native Americansc were peaceful and loved mother earth unlike evil whites
>Hitler and Nazis hated Jews for literally no reason, they were badically evil comic book villians
Surprisingly, in elementary school I remember my teachers being favorable to Cortes and De Soto in our "Florida History" segments.
>>504070
Sounds like a guy I knew in my AP US History class
He never paid attention in class, he just read history books all day and aced all the tests from prior knowledge
He would just hang out in the library all day and read all the history books, regardless of bias
He was a bit of a redneck and wore Ron Paul and NRA shirts all the time. Wouldn't surprise me if I ran into him on here sometime
>>508106
...
Hi.
>>508157
Ily Mac
>>505672
>only talking about the French and British
>>503934
There're two things you don't take from Brits, and that's beer and tea. See the expulsion of Puritanism for one and the Opium Wars for the other.
>>503931
>I had a Missouri History teacher who would always talk shit on Kansas and talk about how he wanted to burn Lawrence, KS to the ground just like the good guy Quantrill did.
>I had another history teacher who would basically give me podium time to rant about something he was teaching about. He would even use me to create discussions in the class and ask my opinion on certain things.
>Needless to say, I loved my high school history experiences.
>The only time I had any history related horror stories were in classes that were actually called "Geography". Geography itself is an "academic discipline" (see: hugbox, echo chamber, circlejerk) filled to the brim with ignorant leftists that lacked the analytical ability to be in history.
So what you're saying is you love hugboxed echo chamber circlejerks when they're right wing but hate them when they're right wing?
>>504623
Was your school /x/ or something?
>>505068
To be fair Hitler toned down his anti-semitism in the early 30s. Read his second book (it is literally called The Second Book).
>hipster hitler
>>505501
What he says in German refers to an abstract free-mason idea of a made up deity. The Creater (I think its Konstrukteur in the original) is not really God in German.
>>503777
>learna bout Vietnam
>teacher taught it as racist white American imperialistic invasion to impose American ideologies onto the Vietnamese
>tell dad
>he tells me about communist Russians and Chinese introducing communism to Vietnam and like everywhere else imposing it onto the masses with mass murder
>he tells me about it was originally under the control of France who called the US in and slid out the back door, leavinng the US holding the bag
>investigate, and find out what he said was true
>next day in class call out teacher who's still on Vietnam
>also call out the fact that not Hitler but communism was the biggest killer of the 20th century and Vietnam was part of that
>she calls me a liar and tells the rest of the class not to listen to what someone influenced by racism has to say
I hate leftist reachers.
>Hitler's intention was to kill everyone who wasn't blonde haired, blue eyed, white and tall
>>509126
>>he tells me about communist Russians and Chinese introducing communism to Vietnam and like everywhere else imposing it onto the masses with mass murder
>what is the August Revolution
mate, seriously.
>>509126
>communist Russians and Chinese introducing communism to Vietnam
>what is "the Viet Minh were the primary resistance to Japanese rule at a time when the French had run away like cowards and millions were dying of starvation"
>>503941
Wouldn't Cannae be a victory to the Gauls because it significantly weakened Romes military and thus their influence?
Or was he saying it was the Gauls, not Carthage (Hannibal), who beat the Romans at Cannae?
>>505618
Oooh, I had a similar question in college but it was Muslims instead of Natives Americans.
I'm still mad.
>>506427
He was a betraying guy for you.
I had a history teacher who said that the British lost the Battle of Trafalgar. When I asked how she fit that into Trafalgar Square and Nelson's Column she said it was to remember the loss.
Her class on ancient Egypt consisted of her talking over her holiday photos, most of them featuring either her or her SO.
Our AP Euro teacher would barely ever teach us and talk about her menopause. She eventually got a bunch of strokes and no one gave a shit, so the class turned into AP Halo (our classroom was a computer lab). When 3rd trimester came we got a new first year teacher who actually taught us shit and is pretty much the reason why I passed the AP exam. I still miss the class with the bitch in it or not. I think she's trying to get an early retirement after being bit by a rabid cat (according to her daughter).
>>503934
Fuck off. The legacy of the English civil war lives on in modern politics. The austere roundheads, with their puritanism and judgemental attitudes. "Drink less...that's unsafe...won't somebody think of the children?"
The opposite is the cavaliers. We're far more fun. "Do whatever and have fun doing it." I'd have fought for the king desu.
>>506279
please go away
>>505064
Wait... Is this not true?
>>509473
McCarthy was proven right in the end.
My teacher said it was all a wild goose chase and nothing he did was right at all and nobody was ever convicted.
>>509126
Thank you for your TOTALLY TRUE AND HONEST story about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED and that IS NOT FAKE AT ALL.
>>505761
I got this narrative too. It probably has to do with me living in Burgerland though.
>>509483
>McCarthy was proven right in the end.
s-source?
>>505110
Are all US school history teachers coaches? Nice fucking system we've got here.
>>506196
I blame the Hues and their bloodlust
>>509496
He's probably referring to the FBI's Project Venona.
What he won't tell you is that the actual identities Soviet spies, as intercepted from Soviet communiques, had no correlation to the people McCarthy accused of being reds, and that McCarthy had no idea the program existed.
>>509524
History isn't really important to the tests that decided how much funding you got. So most schools don't really give 2 shits about how it's taught.
>>503854
Yeah, right WING huehuehue
>>508080
>the American Civil War was about Slavery and the southerners fought so they could keep torturing those poor slaves ;_;
I was taught this until ninth grade. I probably didn't get this narrative as much though because I went to high school in Alabama.
>>509483
He was. The Crucible comparison is not apt. Witches didn't exist. Soviet infiltration of the US intelligence community and high ranking posts was extensive. Look at the testimony of Whittaker Chambers and what he had to say about people like Alger Hiss.
I've got no stories about bad history teachers because both my High School teacher and university lecturer (I did two units just for fun) were fucking fantastic and really made me love the subject.
Only story I can share is when my HS teacher called one of the girls in the class a slut without her realising it. I still laugh.
Once they brought in these two guys who gave a slideshow presentation about how Israel has a historic right to the land of Palestine.
>>509364
This is the most retarded presentism desu.
>>509553
6/10 b8, friend. Made me anxious to bayonet some uppity rebels for a sec.
>>503777
My history teacher told me World War I was irrelevant and there is no point in studying it worth a damn, and we should just focus on everything before it Franco-Prussian War and past it World War II +.
>>509596
:^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiQzhPDhiWU
>no pants in the middle ages
>>509602
ew
>>504324
>The first definition I got for "mammal" was that it was the animals who gave birth to babies/not eggs.
>being this pedantic
>BUT MUH MONOTREMES
>>503777
My jewish AP world history teacher spent 80% of the world war 2 unit talking about muh 6,000,000 jews
>>509651
>Doesn't know about viviparous reptiles
>>508106
Tfw I did the same on my Advanced History classes. By the start of senior year my teacher just let me so whatever I wanted in classes and she would grade me A regardless. I was in this IB thing in school I ended up being the best one in the test. I wonder if I should have picked history instead of a CS major.
>>503931
>Geography
>political
How? Maybe Geography is different in Switzerland, but how can you turn a class that is basically learning a bunch of flags and drawing borders on a map into a political hugbox?
>>509651
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live-bearing_aquarium_fish
BEHOLD: A MAMMAL!
>>509534
Killing guaranis makes me so hard gurl!
My history teacher told me that Serbia single handedly started World War1 and kickstarted the worlds economy starting with the United States industry
>>507631
He was Roman Catholic, and never excommunicated.
>>509675
Geography isn't emphasized much in our education and is usually combined with other aspects of social studies. He's either pulling it out of his ass or had a really really shit education
>>509675
>basically learning a bunch of flags and drawing borders on a map into a political hugbox
pic related :^)
>>503777
>during the war of 1812 the British invaded the US so they could bring the colonies back under their control
>>503934
tell that to the irish
I grew up in rural East Texas, so I don't even know where I'd start.
I suppose the most memorable was when I ended up in a yelling match with Coach Ryzman when he tried to teach that the fertile crescent was likely humanity's beginning and widely considered to be a shoe-in for the true location of the Garden of Eden, and that all indications pointed to the Mesopotamians being in contact with some sort of singular god figure. Ugh.
>ww1 can be simplified to 4 basic causes that you're not allowed to refute and have to memorize
>austria caused ww1 because somehow they weren't supposed to get mad over the assassination of the heir to their throne
>crusaders invaded the holy land just because they wanted to conquer stuff and the muslims were the only victims
>adolf hitler was an immature manchild idiot that was also evil and we should spend more time on his mustache than germany's political climate
>we won the war of 1812, oh and let's totally ignore Napoleonic wars in the process
>feel guilty about natives
>constantly emphasizing the fact that the people we're talking about are "old whit men" like this is somehow unexpected and bad
thanks, canada
>>505552
He almost certainly wasn't a Christian, though.
Probably not an atheist either.
>>509675
>>509792
I love actual Geography. I think it's great, I really do.
The geography teachers I had were internationalist, multiculturalist shills who could also simultaneously condemn globalization when applied to capitalism or (especially) free trade. They would condemn the hyperaggressive neoconservative foreign policy and then praise the interventionism of certain liberal leaders such as Clinton or Kennedy.
I had one geography professor stand there and try to tell us that importing labor from other countries was great, because they do jobs that nobody else wants to do. It's just racist that they aren't given amnesty automatically, that borders exist anyway, and have to work under the table to earn a living, and often earn less than the federally mandated minimum wage.
In America, it goes a little beyond actual geography. In America, the lines between the humanities and social sciences are blended together and you cannot tell what you're actually studying. All you know is that you're drowning in left-wing postmodern dogma. In their crusade against everything sane, they have defined their antithesis, and then when people like me condemn their left-wing hugboxes, I get attacked for wanting a right-wing hugbox. I don't want a right-wing hugbox, I just want to study fucking geography in geography class and history in history class and political science in political science class.
>>505592
His own words are the least credible, you fool.
Everything Hitler did was to control the population or to control his officials.
>>503777
Just that no one before the middle ages wore pants by a female history teacher that said she was the teacher, had the degree, and I had failed my previous history class (because I didn't do homework).
It was ridiculous.
>>507256
This, also got the "if you didn't have blue eyes and blonde hair you'd be glassed"
>>506013
same thing happened to me (i'm greek as well)
>>509473
There were, but he never caught any, because he was a politician, not a spook
>>504249
speak for yourself, I ended up with a real hardass of a teacher who ended up giving me some of the best collage prep ever. Still value that class even after getting by B.A in history, working on masters now.
>Vietnam
>teacher talks about the French for 5 minutes and then we just watched Platoon
>WW2
>teacher was a bit more elaborate, but half of the lessons involved us watching Enemy at the Gates
>le russians had no guns and shot each other in the back, GO AMERICA NUMBER 1 WON WAR
Nice guy, shit tier teacher.
>>503777
Industrial revolution was payed for by SLAVES.
>>503777
Muslims in history class literally did a presentation on Canada's army fighting in Vietnam.
"The Vietcong feared our helicopters"
I can't remember much specifically besides this one
>The Nazis supported a big government
>Nationalists support a big government
>This somehow means that the Nazis were more Nationalist than Socialist and were thus Extreme Right Wing
>>510308
I had a Geography teacher who said that the term 1st world and 3rd world was originally supposed to be about how developed the USA and its Allies were compared to the rest of the World
Not history related but my history teacher once took the class to the School Oval sat us down and then had a discussion with us about his drug experiences during his youth, this was the entire lesson
>>511941
>"they called them the devil's chariot"
>Nasheed intensifies
>>509524
Mine was too. Social studies is the area that most school systems just could not give less of a shit about, and coaches have to teach something, they can't be a coach only.
My US history class's required reading includes "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States" and Edward Bellamy's "Looking Backward" and a recommendation to read "A People's History of the United States". But the teacher encouraged debate and his favorite student was the outspoken conservative. Can't really complain.
>>503855
Everybody is a Marxist the some way everybody is a Darwinist. The prescription was not legitimate but the analysis is as scientific as most of the stuff taught in school.
How can you say you'd prefer to be counter informed than to be given access to the original sources of thought and ideology.
I do not understand your anti leftism america. /pollacks base it on anti semitism but I do not understand where other perhaps better informed cool headed people find the passion for this.
>>511997
That's the general view most americans hold about the term though. That's why the term is still even used.
>>503777
Had a history teacher argue with my freind that Edgar Allan Po was from Britain, she also continuously made the argument that native Americans had no sense of property and were entirely peaceful.
>>503777
Why is this thread in existence? It is due to the fact that the world is a lie.
>>513858
>Had a history teacher argue with my freind that Edgar Allan Po was from Britain
To be fair I always assumed Poe was British because he was a decent writer
>Armenia was never a part of the Soviet Union
>>513971
There's no "to be fair" about it. A teacher needs to know what they are teaching.
Not that bad, but I remember in a casual conversation with a history teacher in junior high after I read an article on the anniversary of British abolition of slavery. I mentioned to him that the British banned slavery before the U.S. did, yet he said America was the first country to ban slavery or did it before Britain. I knew I was right but the conflicted with my goody two shoes notion at the time that teachers could never be wrong, so I dropped the topic. It still bothers me to this day for some reason.
A run down of my Australian schooling non-elective history classes:
>Aboriginals; Rainbow serpents'n'shit
>Australian Gold Rush, starvation'n'shit (we had this awesome role playing board game kind of like the Oregon Trail game Americans always talk about)
>Aboriginals, nomads'n'shit
>The First Fleet; those aboriginals we've been teaching you about? we fucked them up pretty bad
>WWI; Gallipoli, trenches and barbed wire. P.S Germans Suck
>WWII; Nazi bad, Spitfire Good. Literally only learnt about battle of Britain, No Japan, No Northern Africa
Elective Ancient History Classes (last two years of schooling)
>Origin of man, their links to aboriginals
>Genghis Kahn
>Alexander the Great
>Chinese Dynasties
>Spartans and Greeks
>>514094
What state are you in?
Here in Queensland education was:
1. Abos
2. The First Fleet
3. Later Convicts
4. WW1
5. WW2
6. Cold War
7. Arab-Israeli Wars for some reason
8. WW1 Again
9. The First Fleet again for some reason
>>514117
Queensland as well. The core High School SOSE teachers were all humanities and English teachers rather than history teachers, so we learnt most stuff through vague poetry no one could really understand.
When it came to elective history (which was not a requisite so not many people did it) you could choose from Ancient and Modern history and the teachers were much better.
Core-history is bloody awful though
>>514141
I was talking about Modern History though my Ancient History experience was pretty much the same as yours
>In grade 12 history class.
>talking about Hitler.
>Teacher makes some comment about rounding up Jews (Don't remember exact words).
>Dumb girl who thinks she's smart interrupts:
>"Actually Miss, Hitler had everyone in Europe with brown hair arrested because that was the only way they could tell if you were Jewish or not."
>Long awkward pause.
Also had somebody in my class.who thought the cold war was because the US and Russia fought each other in WW2.
>>514157
Ah right, my bad. I never took Modern History but from what I heard from peers it focused on the two World Wars, Industrial Revolution, Colonialism, Cold War that kind of stuff
>>514213
>Hitler had himself arrested
>>507740
did she really fucking believe that about the helmets?
japanese only start fighting in 1939?
Jesus christ
>>503777
the biggest outright inaccuracy I saw was never history, but in geography, when a teacher insisted that Australia wasn't a continent, and that Greenland wasn't the largest non-continental island on earth due to Australia not being a continent.
6th grade history was very obviously biased to the regional culture of where I was (Appalachia), covering the Reformation in a very anti-catholic light and ignoring abuses like the dissolution of monasteries and the 30 years war. it wasn't inaccurate per se, but made the reformers out to be more heroic than they were by omission.
being taught about the Jackson presidency and indian removal by an Eastern band Cherokee teacher was lulzworthy. besides his crimes against Indians, all I know about Jackson comes from memes due to how inadequate my instruction on him was.
learning civil war history from a white teacher in a black majority region of Mississippi was pretty awesome, especially in a city that was a major battlefield back in the day. not inaccurate...just fucking awesome.
>>507740
>Caligula assigned his horse as a consul
This is what he was said to have done by people who there at the time. Now, I'd be the first person to say that you can't necessarily take records of Caligula at face value, but then again you can't just automatically assume that they were all bullshit just because we know the chroniclers didn't like caligula very much.
>>507289
you and your friend are heroes to whatever nation you live in.
>>514555
Well continents are often fairly arbitrary so by many standards Australia isn't a continent
A technicality in my country's school system means that if a teacher is qualified to teach a subject they can technically teach anything with no extra training.
So I had a biology teacher trying to teach us history.
It was an absolute nightmare.
>>505545
Nop
>>503777
Took AP European History my grade 11 year of high school. Teacher taught everyone that Operation Torch was the allied invasion of Italy, along with the "fact" that "if the allies wouldn't have invaded Europe, the Germans would've lost to the Bolsheviks anyway. She also spent the whole year saying that wars weren't important to European history overall. Along with tons of other cringe worthy shit.
