Can someone explain to me why sexuality changed so much in art with modernity? Art was rife with sexuality since ancient times, but it almost invariably portrayed with humorous undertones (even religiously, phallic worship often involved comedy about the dick's size). It doesn't seem like it was until the early modern period, that sex in art started to be portrayed as something solemn. What caused this change?
Basically, the Victorians fucked it all up for everyone.
Very simplistic but that's the long and short of it.
>>495228
But the solemn depiction of sex in art seem to begin more with the early modern period, than with the Victorian Period. It's rampant by the Victorian Period, though, and sex as a humorous motif in art is almost extinct, but the transformation starts much earlier.
Many women don't like humorus of phallic do they?
Christianity as a whole toned down the sexuality of Europe (Garden Gnomes are relics of ancient Roman religion. Pic related. You took the head off and gave the cock a jerk for good luck). The Japs still have giant cock statues.
A series of religious revivals, several returns to some strain of puritanism, and feminism are all responsible (at some time or another) for saying "Sex is bad" in America. Europe is a bit less prudish.
>>495287
Men didn't necessarily either when the context wasn't appropriate. Probably one of the reasons statues were done with small dicks so much is that large dicks were indicative of sexuality, which was a comedic motif, and that would detract from the solemnity of a statue. But as for the idea that women throughout the ages have generally thought of the phallus as something that shouldn't be treated comically, doesn't really have any basis.
>>495338
Christianity certainly toned down worship of sex, but it didn't change sexuality as a humorous motif in art (which it was even in worship). What I'm asking is how sex became something *solemn* in art, which didn't happen until long after Christianity became dominant as state religion. Solemn doesn't necessarily mean sexuality being frowned upon--it includes sex as being glamorized as solemn as well.
I think the start of seriousity has a relation to the population increase and the change of perspectives to large family.
In last hundred years, many pepole have became not to like having many childen.
>>495493
Modernity started a lot longer than a hundred years ago, though.
In modernity, the role of arts have changed.
In moden era, there is less need for a religion, culture or community to make an obstacle humorus sexual arts.
Alternatively, descriptive style arts has became being needed for commurtial or academic purpose.
>>495573
Sounds interesting, but not entirely coherent enough for me to make total sense of.
>>495493
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>>495347
Greeks considered small dicks to be esthetically pleasing while big dicks were a sign of barbarity and savagery.
>>495976
Not really. Big dicks were just comedic. They were considered repulsive beyond that. It would be like having a clown nose on the statue.
i think it is a result of a change in patronage and reception of art and started well before modernism
>>496001
>not really
>then agrees with me
>>495338
>The Japs still have giant cock statues.
That's why many of Hentai things in japan.
>>496017
Being comedic doesn't mean they were seen as a sign of barbarity and savagery.
That's becouse the genitals had lost their mystique.
Everything mysteric and holy are often describe as metaphor, other living things and deformed appearance in arts.
>>496056
Yes it does.
I think as humanity "modernized" they began to think of sex as something more crass and something that should be behind doors instead of out in the open. For whatever reason people became ashamed of genitalia.
Additionally patronage did change, and people who want to set themselves apart as rich (as patrons do) want murals done that show their influence on a community, not necessarily giant phalluses everywhere.
>>495338
>Christianity as a whole toned down the sexuality of Europe
only because Christianity is not mundane hedonism, which leads many liberals and libertarians to fail to understand any non-mundane hedonistic doctrine.
reminder that hedonism is the
-the belief in some self
-the existence of the self goes at least into
-- the desires
---of aversion towards pains
---of avidity towards pleasures
--the experiences of pains and pleasures themselves
sex is the foremost activity in which hedonists identify themselves, then comes other pleasures such as foods, travels, music, cars.
as soon as you leave hedonism, you embrace a doctrine which explicitly deals with the desires. the most famous doctrines hold the principle of equanimity/equipoise/ataraxia as one of the highest principle: this is what the liberals who are more hedonistic than anything else will never understand and this is why the liberals mock the christian [=those who meditate and contemplate] in thinking that the christians denigrate pleasures [which means sex] since liberals cannot into anything else than mundane hedonism.
>>495218
> Can someone explain to me why sexuality changed so much in art with modernity?
It barely changed. There has always been a tremendous volume of bawdy, lewd, and pornographic art, but with the advent of mass media it became improper to acknowledge this in any material that might fall into the hands of children or authoritarian moralists.
>>496199
>it became improper to acknowledge this in any material that might fall into the hands of children or authoritarian moralists.
Authoritarian moralists and children, always ruining things for the rest of us.
>>496089
>Socrates is barbaric and savage in Aristophanes
>>496146
I don't think you get it. Sex didn't become less common in art with modernity (not at all), what I'm saying is it became something solemn instead of something comedic. Solemn doesn't necessarily mean shameful, it was sometimes glamorized, but the attitude of solemnity toward sexuality is very different from the attitude of flippancy.
>>496431
it didn't become more solemn though. what art are you thinking of?
>>495927
kek
>>496495
>>496534
Zeus knocking up the mother of Perseus.
>>496544
>>496548
>>496421
>Socrates is barbaric and savage
FTFY
>>496561
oh you are actually referring to early modern.
likely it happened the same way art in general became something solemn.
>>496561
Is he using that blanket to hide a shart
>>496679
Oh I just noticed. I think you're right.
The end of humorus penis = The end of abstract paintings
and IMAO
End of phallus worship = End of local religion
