Be honest now: How many of you play grand strategy games? Did you go into them because of an interest in history, or did you develop an interest in history partly because of them?
Interest in them because of history.
Hearts of Iron II blew my fucking mind. I could not believe it was a real game until I installed it.
>>494730
I came and stayed for the memes
t. Alberto barbosa
>>494730
me! I'm a huge World in Flames addict.
>Did you go into them because of an interest in history, or did you develop an interest in history partly because of them?
It's kind of cyclical for me. I think it very first started with the games, as my dad had my aforementioned vice in his basement and I started learning to play, which prompted me to study WW2 to try to figure out what the hell I was supposed to be doing, and that in turn led me to other things.
>>494730
I play them quite often now. Back when I was young I used to see my Dad play games like Europa Universalis II and Locamotion, then I gained a bit more interest than what I already had in history.
>>494730
>How many of you play grand strategy games?
see pic
>Did you go into them because of an interest in history, or did you develop an interest in history partly because of them?
the first
>>494748
>How many of you
Posts pic of game library
>>494748
>No Sengoku
You gotta have the whole collection m8
Total conversion mods to EUIV make me boner when HRE is made by more than 200 countries.
>>494730
Played CK II because I had an interest in the period and finished Total war Medieval II.
Lack of time and autism made me quit it after 30 hours of playing.
How many of you are from /gsg/?
>>494759
I'm not interest in jap CK2
I like the time period of EUIV the best, but EUIV is the shittiest game.
They're a good time waster.
>>494778
I thougut every gsg poster posted on his
Victoria II is the best grand strategy game ever. Anyone who disagrees is a faggot
>>494730
i've played every EU game since the original. i've always loved history and grand strategy games.
my dream is to mod or create such a game which incorporates history, sociology, demographics the development of legal systems and capitalism for a game that goes full autismo and appeals to 3 people.
basically crusader kings 1-2, eu1-4, hearts of iron, vics 1+2 plus maybe some good bits from the TW games but with mechanics steeped in theories which look at things like state legitimacy, functionality, social psychology and what have you, all mashed up into one sprawling game that requires a room sized supercomputer to run.
>>494818
Fuck sliders.
>>494820
Im one of those three it would appeal to
I wish you luck
>>494730
A bit of both I guess
>>494845
>he cant balance the budget
It's ok to tariff the shit out of the pops early game
>>494845
EU and HoI 2 also have sliders.
>>494793
Just out of curiosity, anyone knows why the flags are so messed up? My Byzantine flag shows up as Persia's for some reason.
>>494872
Bost your byzantium and ill tell you
>>494730
>did you develop an interest in history partly because of them?
Age of Empires III + Rise of Nations + Alpha Centauri
>>494918
>age of empires
Imblyong gsg game
>>494730
>Look at the picture
The Franks were drunk as they divided the realm.
>>494918
>Rise of Nations
gods game
>>494765
Which mod is that?
>>494958
MEIOU and Taxes
>>494987
Thank you. And for the timeline?
>>494987
Never mind, it wasn't active.
>>494820
That'd be pretty based desu.
>>494820
I once played EU3, but played it wrong so all countries kept attacking me, ultimately I conquered the world after a year of playing only EU3, while that wasn't the goal of the game. I learned some stuff about the 100 year war I suppose, but it's mostly geography, learning all the regions of the world.
>>494918
>Age of Empires
No not really anon try again.
>>494918
>AoE III
RTS
>RoN
RTS
>AC
4X (We must dissent)
Not a single grand strategy, lad.
i do, and i absolutely love it, but i'm running out of ideas, can anyone give me a good campaign idea?
>>495233
Start as Caligari in 867 and own all provinces next to the mediterranean sea by the end of the game
>>495264
a terrone empire?
>>495233
Are you playing with Horse Lords?
Because if so, try surviving a game in Perm with the earliest start date, the nomadic tribes are a pain in the ass.
>>495271
no i don't, i have pretty much every major DLC eccept horse lords
>>494730
I have ~450 hours in CK2, though nowadays I don't play it a lot. I play them because I like history and not the other way around. I didn't even know that this kind of games existed when I was starting to get interested in history.
>>494730
This is how i often play grand strategy game :
>Choose smallest nation on the map
>use money cheat
>Conquest the whole map
>>495362
are you me?
i've long since acknowledged the fact that these games are vehicles for imagining cools worlds.
>what would an english speaking empire that encompased all of north western europe look like?
>how would the place names be rendered?
>what would mainz or copengahgen look like if they were within the UK and had been subjected to the fusion of british and continental architecural styles?
>what would danish accented english sound like - would it sound like yorkshire english?
these are things i think about when i'm playing
It's a bit more casual but I play Civ IV. I just like the grander scope of it compared to Paradox games. Civ V sucks, unfortunately.
>>494730
I play them but I suck at them, so I mainly use mods that allow me to just play it like map-painter lite
Video games started my interest in history, if Rise of Nations had never existed I would have never discovered Alexander the Great and through him Napoleon, or I would have, but I wouldn't be a 10 year old who suddenly got a mind boner for great generals.
I never picked up grand strat til I was older (18+) though games like the total war series I played a lot
>tfw 2000 hours in Rome 2
>they're adding infamy and coalitions to CK2
>>495655
Civ V sucks?
>>495937
But it's not simplified. In 5, you have to manually control all your units every turns, while in 4 you can just group them and move them all at the same time.
>>495082
>Railroad Tycoon2 is still my favourite.
Such a great soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knqk15l2vZ8
>>494730
always been intressted in history
total war series pushed me over the edge and made it more of a "hobby"
>>495929
All civ games suck t b h
>>494738
>Merchant Roman Empire
into the trash it goes.jpg
I love most Paradox games, but lately I've felt they're too bland and don't have enough history in them. Sure HIP/SWMH for CK2 is great, and there are other amazing mods, but there are dozens of things that aren't there. Now if someone could make a mod on just the HRE for CK2 (just the HRE and minor outlying provinces as the map) with a super historical background I'd be happy for another year or so.
I can't even remember why I started playing them. I had a decent interest in history prior to playing them, but playing them was definitely the transition between "upper-level high school historical knowledge" and "hey brah wanna here about the Herrschaft (sorry, Herschaft in the period tongue) Werle and these random Kurdish emirates?"
I think my first one was Victoria I since it was the only one that would run on my shitty computer.
I can't actually get interested. I want to be interested, because I am interested in history, but I'm just too much of a pleb to get anywhere, so I get frustrated and eventually quit.
My interest in history came first. But grand strategy has had a hold on me ever since I first played rome:tw.
>>495929
Yep. If you really want to know why spend some time reading Sullla (one of the best Civ players) destroy the game on his website (now down).
Two key articles:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150218002146/http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Civ5/whatwentwrong.html (the main text starts half-way down the page)
https://web.archive.org/web/20150219075513/http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Civ5/bnwreview.html
>The fact of the matter is that Civ5 is trying to masquerade as a tactical combat game. But it isn't a tactical combat game; the Civilization games are empire-building games, and combat has never been more than one element among many. The designers of Civ5 tried to turn the game into something that it isn't, and they ended up breaking the game in the process. We ended up with a very mediocre wargame mashed together with a subpar empire-builder.
The TL;DR is that Civ V is a dumbed down and mechanically broken game that appeals to people that don't actually know how to play Civ properly. Civ veterans hate it but it's actually very popular with noob players because of its design. That's because the game gets players to do things all the time... so noob players think that they are playing a game and making choices, but veterans know that its just busywork the presents the illusion of playing a game, and that actual strategic choices are either absent or shallow compared to any of the previous games.
>>496098
Tried just fucking around with cheats and stuff? It's a good way to learn the mechanics of the game and not get raped constantly while doing it.
Pretty sure it's how I learned how to play most gsgs
>>494730
I played Darkest Hour until I got bored with it. Thinking of uninstalling
I really hate end dates and like to play these kinds of games indefinitely. Also regret buying it over an earlier EU or Vicky.
>>496133
It's not hard to extend the end dates in games, senpai
>>496137
That's just one of my problems with it, it's boring.
How complex are Paradox games (CKII compared to Civ 5?
>>496152
there's no comparison, paradox are way more complex. Although the CK series in general has a lot of family management.
>>494730
>play grand strategy games? Did you go into them because of an interest in history?
yes, my interest in history and geopolitical borders got me into grand strategies.
>>496152
Much more complex. There are some relatively short tutorials for CKII on Youtube, you should watch one and see how it compares.
Why is there even an interest in Civ on this board? That game isn't historically accurate whatsoever.
Also it's a 4X not a grand strategy.
Where next friends?
>>496152
They're complex to the point that you NEED to read the manuals to play them, you can't go in blind because you'll start losing immediately. You can't "learn as you go" or "learn from experience", you'll ruin your economy before you even get going, get your armies raped and destroyed and be some faggots buttslave within a few months and you won't have learned a damn thing other than you need to read the fucking manual.
>>496152
HoI > Victoria > CK >>> EU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civ
regarding complexity
>>496164
east is always the correct answer.
>>496168
In what way is CKII more complex than EU4? The map is restricted to Europe, North Africa and Near East compared to the globe in EU4. I ask this since CKII was released first and I'm leaning towards either title to play a Paradox game.
>>496181
EU4 is not complex at all, it's just a map painting simulator. HoI has the warfare autism, Vicky has the pop micromanagement, CK has the dynasties. EU has nothing.
>>496163
Because it's still a fun game with vague historical connections?
>>496181
CKII is focused more on internal politics, managing a feudal state where everyone under you is jockeying for power, and the success of your dynasty over any one "nation", while EUIV is all about painting the world map blurple and all there is to do is declare war.
Honestly, it's more about what time period you find more interesting more than anything.
>>496194
>historical connections
There's barely any.
>Gandhi nukes Cyrus' New York City after being attacked by Persian artillery
>>496163
>he doesn't know about fun
>he doesn't know about custom scenarios and total mods
http://www.realism-invictus.com
>>496200
Theme, not dirrect correlation to history.
>>496201
>turn based autism
>fun
I'd rather watch paint dry.
>>496204
Why are you even in this thread?
>>496203
That's like saying Thor (the comics and movie) has a historical theme just because it features superheroes named after Norse mythology.
>>496206
Why? None of the good Paradox grand strategies are turn based garbage.
>>496208
>spreadsheet simulator that plays itself
Look we can sling shit at each other all day but I'd rather not. I like both kinds of games. If you don't that's cool.
>>496207
I thnink Civ is a step above something like that. I gues it get what ypu're coming from
>>496200
Imagine you roll Gandhi and when you get to the modern era you find that you have to run pacifism as a civic and you can't build any nukes. Where's the fun in that?
It's not meant to be an Earth history simulator, it's meant to be an empire building simulator that draws from human history for things like its tech tree and so on.
Although there actually is a popular mod that aims to make it more of a history simulator (why anyone would want that is beyond me), and it ships with the last expansion pack of Civ IV.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhye%27s_and_Fall_of_Civilization
>>496233
Dude I have no problem if you enjoy playing Epic Mickey or whatever the fuck, it's just the little fact that it's not history related and thus doesn't really belong here.
>>494820
>my dream is to mod or create such a game which incorporates history, sociology, demographics the development of legal systems and capitalism for a game that goes full autismo and appeals to 3 people.
Victoria 2 HPM right?
>>496245
It is history related. You're trying to say it isn't a history simulator, and I've explained that it is once you run custom games. You're either ignoring that or, more likely, being an asshole just because you like your Paradox toys more than the other kids' Firaxis toys.
>>496274
It isn't really, it's just a vague 4X game with random historical figures slapped on it as leaders. I mean you enjoy Civ and that's fine, but it's not really a /his/ game.
>>496281
How is Rhye's and Fall of Civilization "just a vague 4X game with random historical figures slapped on it as leaders"?
>>496281
BTW I will definitely grant you that it is "just a vague 4X game with random historical figures slapped on it as leaders" by default, it's only custom scenarios and so on that redeem it.
>>494730
I play huge amount of total war and it was thing that got me even more interested in history
>>494730
I've never taking a big liking to them. I play them on occasion, but Civilization is easy as fuck while CK2 AI murders me the instant I spawn. I prefer stuff like Mount and Blade- I AM the medieval general.
>>496288
Nobody knows what the fuck that is. Probably some obscure mod nobody plays.
>>496349
It literally came added on with Civ 4 bts mods. Cavemen2cosmos is some obscure shit comparatively
>>496332
How realistic is Total War?
>>496370
not very but there are usually tons of mods that address historical accuracy and realism.
They're also not very difficult to star modding on your own after some tutorials.
RO2 for muh wehraboo Obersturmführer fix
Hearts of Iron III/Vicky 2 for autism fix
Knights of Honor for fun
>>496373
shame that the newer version of the game are not very mod friendly. MedII was the last truly modable game. Newer games you can't even touch the campaign map.
>>496406
Shogun 2 has a mod that changes the map. Newer ones can be modded
This book my mom gave me when I was little about the history of mankind with a biblical slant up to the present day. Liberals would shit themselves over how "eurocentric" it is, I didn't care about all that though, I was fascinated by the step by step progress made, going from a world where the best you could hope for was to secure food for yourself and your family and avoid being killed by rival tribes to one with gas lights and locomotives.
To the Rhine, my brothers, to the Rhine
I was wondering, do GSG help you understand history a bit more? I mean, the mechanics and shit in there are made to stimulate actual history.
>>496427
I would be agaisnt the Biblical stuff.
>>496627
It helps me understand geography a dickload more. Not history so much other than info included in in the decisions you make and events.
>>496627
You mostly learn a lot of historical terms relating to geography, dynasties, persons, culture, etc., but you don't actually learn much about what those terms actually mean or refer to. At most you pick up a trivial amount of history through osmosis.
It's a bit like the Heisig Method for learning moonrunes, where you memorise the names of the characters ('dragon' 'noodle') but you still don't know how to pronounce them or use them in a sentence, only for history.
>>496623
Is this hoi2 or darkest hour cause I just bought darkest hour, said fuck it and went to play hoi3. Have you seen the "World War Wednesdays" by paradox? Its a playthrough of hoi4.
>>496627
Meh, it helps you in the same sense a trivial pursuit game would help you. It's there but you won't really learn anything from it if you aren't interested to begin with.
>>494730
btw do anyone knows of grand strategy games outside of paradox ones ?
>>496155
>that brazil
t. brazilian
>>494820
I want this.
desu I want a game that has paradox style campaigns with total war's battles.
>>496803
this plus mount and blade player character. fuck the future cant come soon enough
Got in for the history, stayed in for the autism.
>>495042
1356-1856. It basically is everything EU IV should be, I never even played the game without it.
>>495068
It's active already, just released a patch that works with Cossacks.
>>494730
I play EU3/4, CK2, HOI3, Vicky2.
I started because of an interest in history, but EU4 and CK2 woke up my interest in history between 400 and 1789; before that I was only interested in history post ~1789 and before 400 (so a big gap between the Roman Empire falling and the timeperiod around which the french revolution starts happening)
Any fellow wargame players here?
>>496127
>no vicky 2
>total war
>nearly 1250 hours on EUIV
pleb detected.
>>496129
>>495655
Civ 5 was a piece of shit when first released but the two expansions have made huge improvements. I regularly play both Civ 4 and 5 now, they're both good in their own ways. Civ 5 has far better systems for military and diplomacy. Civ 4 I think is a bit better for city building and the like, but Civ 5 has its advantages in these aspects too.
I'd encourage anyone who dismissed Civ 5 when they first played it to pick up the expansions and try it again if you can get them for cheap in a sale or something.
>>496127
>total war
>grand strategy
>>496855
ye
ded genre bros 4 lyfe
>>495655
my nigger
do you play RFC:dawn of civilization?
>>496245
>hes never played an rfc mod
kek
>>496098
>Install eu4
>play France
Have fun. As long as you don't do anything stupid, you can't lose. Alternatively, play Portugal, go colonial and basically ignore Europe entirely.
>>495082
You need Simutrans, friend. With the Britain 128 pakset, its full on with the attention to detail and complexity.
>>494730
Parents bought me and my brother AOE 2 the conquers (they saw it was cheaper than AOE 2 and didn't understand it was an expansion) I got into city builders and now crusader kings
>>496129
that article is so old and not even good
>>496281
>historical figures
>not /his/
but a fighting game with historical leaders would no doubt be /his/. you're just some buttblasted paradox fanboy
>>496349
>Probably some obscure mod nobody plays.
its shipped on the fucking disk with the game
>>496288
Rhye's and Fall really isn't that great. It's fun, but it still pales in comparison to something like the Paradox grand strats as a historical strategy game.
I have nothing against Civ, I have 1200 hours or somethinf in IV and V combined and I enjoy both of them, but they're really not /his/ games. They're just 4x games with a historical theme, as opposed to the Paradox grand strats that make at least a passing attempt at simulating history.
See, a game having loose a historical backdrop isn't enough to qualify it as a /his/ game, because historical themes are so common in both video games and every other form of media. Would you call Saving Private Ryan a /his/ movie?
>>496167
Fucking bullshit, I worked out everything as I went along for CKII and the EU games. CKII in particular is not hard at all, because the game progresses along just fine without you doing anything so trial and error is fine.
Victoria: Empire Under the Sun is may fav grand strategy game. I've brought glory to the British Empire many times.
The Hearts of Iron games are all based too. Although in one incredibly long game I played as Germany I basically won WW2 (defeated Britain and Soviets) and dropped atomic bombs on America but America refused to surrender. Even when the east coast was ash and their industrial rating was in the toilet. Odd.
>>496164
break truce and holy war a duchy, create duchy to restore prestige, repeat
>>495233
I recently had a great campaign with the messalians, starting in Sokotra. Spreading a glorious empire of christian incest out from the horn of Africa.
>>495233
I did a Zoroastrian India game where I forced all my vassals to marry Greeks so we we all white Panjabis
>>497467
>whitening your dynasty
I thought I was the only one. My Solomonid dynasty was 100% Nordic after a century or so.
Should I start with EU1 since it's simpler to comprehend everything? I see everyone saying to start with EU3 or whatever but that shit boggles my mind.
>>496050
The focus on them changed from being vaguely inclined towards history simulators to simply being complex strategy game, because the former made people complain about railroading.
>>497550
EU1 and 2 are dogshit, EU3 with all the DLC looks complicated but it should take more than a few hours to get into, just start as Spain or France and you can't fail. CK2 is probably the best game desu, but its very different from the rest so it wont teach you much
>>497566
Shouldn't*
>>496861
Played Rome: TW II.
It's rather simpler than EU, but campaigns can be fun even without doing the mass combat yourself, which is usually regarded as the core of TW. I resolved 90% automatically.
>>496129
>Look at my superior taste in videogames!
Kek, fucking pathetic
Are there any history games that AREN'T strategy games?
>>497632
There's plenty, but vast majority of them are WW2 games.
>>496815
>m&b character customization
>with gsg elements
You can do that in CK2, unless you refer to armor, then go play a rpg
Have you accepted Kojak as your lord and savior yet???
t. kojak
>>497089
there are mods that make it plenty better
>>496861
>mods
>>496164
>England in anatolia
How did that go down?
>>494730
I play them for the love of kebap removal.
Love of history came first. Used to super love CK2 but then they started to do some hardcore balancing and it hasn't been as fun for me anymore. I wasn't really a map painting player but they destroyed all the tactics I used to survive, basically. One day I want to make a babby cheater mod that un-nerfs CK2, even re-adding things like making a retinue gives you a decent general for it. Good times.
>>494730
>Did you go into them because of an interest in history
This, I wanted to recreate battlefields from ancient famous battles et cetera.
I'm that guy with the table full of model soldiers, only I don't have a table or model soldiers, I have software.
>>494730
I got into them because of an interest in nationalism. I liked to play as my own country and steamroll the planet.
Always loved the history and games, so grand strategy games were natural choice.
I already got bored the heck out of Eu and CK2 and quit, probally because I didin't want to play west europe nations.
>>496855
I started with wargames, steel panthers was best there was. Kinda moved to other stradegy games as I didin't find anything like that again.
>>495082
I prefer RT3, if only because nostalgia.
>>499708
Simutrans friend. I'm not ashamed to shill game since its free, but there's nothing quite like setting up a long route, setting up the signalling system for max efficiency and then watching it all work as anticipated.
shit is literally cash.
>>494820
There was a guy in the game dev general who tried to piece together a grand strategy game. It's an overwhelming task. I'd reccomend beginning making a small board game with a map instead of going to do all out on a big time consuming project.
>>495233
Have you done Erik the Heathen before?
The last Germanic noble of any note in 1066, a Duke in Sweden with a claim on the Kingdom.
It can be a nightmare but if you succeed and reform the Germanic Religion you can form a Viking Empire in the High Middle Ages, which is just a million times more fun than doing it in the earlier start dates.
>>495708
That's going to make the mid game pagans games impossible.
Did Coalitions even fucking happen back then? I always found it weird having Coalitions in early game EU4 let alone CK2.
>>496152
It's one of those things that seems ridiculously complex at first, but a lot of the shit in the game either runs itself or doesn't really matter.
Once you get a hang of playing you'll be near the end of a campaign and suddenly start realising what everything does.
>>496684
Darkest Hour
I've played EU 3 a crazy amount of hours.
How different is EU 4?
And I've wanted to try crusader kings but it seems so deep.
How long would it take to get the hang of?
>>497566
>Recommending EU3
I think you've forgotten just how bad the border gore in that game gets.
If EU4 did one thing right it's reducing that massively, even if France will stick its dick into Spain occasionally.
>>500446
No sliders, instead there is mana (admin, dip, military)
More focus on diplomacy and AI isn't as retarded.
>CK
>deep
It's just more focus on managaing a dynasty and feudal kingdom.
>>500424
Alliances were functionally replaced by feudalism, but they did happen, notably between France and Scotland, England and Portugal, the Franks and Abbasids, and the Mongols attempted to make a French-Mongol alliance on several occasions. Coalitions like in EU4 though, no, not really.
>>500467
thanks
>>494730
I like painting maps
>>500446
As someone who hadn't played in EU3 in years when he first played EU4 I felt at home.
A lot of stuff looks different but it's mostly the same shit. The biggest (and worst) new feature is Monarch Points, that's how upgrades work now.
It's a casualised mechanic but for that reason it's not hard to grasp.
CK2 is quite a different game since you play as an individual person. It's all about managing your vassals and relationships with other characters. I'd say it would take a little longer to get the hang of.
The fun comes from doing shit like cucking your enemy's wife and castrating him, only to have him come back and attack you later with 12000 men while you're in another civil war.
Religion is also a more important aspect than in the EU games (It is called Crusader Kings after all) all the different Religious groups play pretty differently and have unique events so there's plenty of flavour.
>>500446
EU4 with all the new DLC stuff is okay
Estates, Parliamentary governments, orangists v statists and other mechanics are okay and add a nice amount of depth to the game
>>500509
well i've played an insane amount of hours of EU3 and I feel like I'm constantly learning things every time I play a different country. So I'm honestly kinda nervous about starting EU4.
It just seems overwhelming. Like is it really even worth the headache of learning a new system?
just finished
>>500529
It's basically the same shit. Only really game changing things I can think of are:
New fort mechanics: Now not every province will have a fort, however ones that do have forts will block enemy armies from progressing through any province which the fort province borders until the fort has been sieged, A great new feature which adds a lot more strategy. You can place a shit ton of forts on the border with a country like France and attrition the fuck out of them for example.
Colonial nations: Now a seperate nation will spawn when you have enough colonies in a certain area. You will rule over it like a vassal
The new Estate shit: Haven't played since this update so I dunno lol.
But that's really it.
>>500539
For what purpose?
>>500552
The fort shit pisses me off solely because I have watched AI armies walk clean through Star Fort provinces on my border.
>>496332
How is Attila compared to Rome 2?
I'm really not liking Rome 2 but i'm just too interested in the period to go back to shogun 2.
Vicky 2 is some good ass shit man. I swear i find myself playing it nearly every time i have nothing to do. I always find new stuff to do. My best game ever was Communist Ireland.
Threadly reminder that you don't develop interest in history because you are into grand strategy, nor vice versa. Some people are psychologically speaking to being prone to being into ideas, "shoulds", and grand scale things in general. That means you will naturally be both into history and strategy games. Fun fact: if you're in this thread you probaly are also into geopolitics, economies, you enjoy debating as a leisure activity and you are better than average at chess. Please read Myers Briggs/Carl Jung's theories on cognitive functions. Also pic related is my favorite grand strategy games.
>200 player online game, 1 for each country
>mature community
>>501653
Well for one I've never played chess in my life.
>>501653
>you probaly are also into geopolitics, economies, you enjoy debating as a leisure activity and you are better than average at chess
That's pretty much me in a nutshell. What is name of that game?
>>501656
Looks like Superpower 2. Really awful game by the way.
>>501674
Fuck off its one of the best games out there.
You liberals can't stand it because you have no understanding whatsover of economies. Every fucking game there's either a Bernie voter who makes all US companies state controlled or Shillary supporters raising taxes to 90%
>>501676
kektotupus
>>501677
dubtotupus
>>501676
>play superpower 2
>Be Vietnam
>raise taxes for everything to 100%
>get infinitive moneys
>Use it to buy every military arsenal on the market
>conquer the world
best economic simulator desu senpai
>>494820
I would play this. Wouldn't have any clue what I'd be doing but I'd play it regardless.
>>501676
"Liberal" has a meaning bro. Stop missusing it.
>>501831
Not in America
