Why shouldn't we revive pagan religions? What do we know about celtic religion?
Do you want to revive Pagan religions because you think they're cool or because you believe in the gods and worldviews encompassed by them?
Because they are dumb shit for fat fedoralords who wan't to feel powerful because centuries ago some people he isn't related to because even his ancestors were beta were warriors.
>Romans beating Ireland
>Vikings beating Ireland
>Brits beating Ireland
They consumed & dissolved all their antagonists.
>>480717
To reply your first question, the second one must be answered first: Not enough.
And so, you may understand why we cant resurrect them.
>>480770
>vikings beating ireland
Battle of Clontarf proves otherwise vikings didn't beat anyone who wasn't a farmer
Paganism is literally MUH HERITAGE
>>480717
Because you dont actually believe in the gods? You may as well say you believe in R'hllor from game of thrones at least then you can also imagine banging Mellisandre.
Pagan beliefs have evolved into folklore and superstition. Trying to bring them back in their original form is impossible. The true original beliefs have been lost, so any "reconstruction" is partially bullshit anyway. Also, most of the lost pagan religions involved human sacrifice, so they're not coming back.
Aren't pagan religions self-defeating? If you honor your ancestors' gods you have to honor the fact that they chose Christianity.
Christianity holds pretty much the same values as paganism anyway excepting the "turn the other cheek" stuff.
>>480780
Indeed, as Islam will shape the future of Europe to come.
>>480833
>Christianity holds pretty much the same values as paganism
Really?
If you don't have anything intelligent to say, don't say anything.
I know we're on 4chan, but come on.
>>480864
Name one significant difference except the one I already pointed out dumbass.
Both prohibit theft, murder, adultery, envy, hedonism, premarital sex for women, drunkenness, homosexuality, command obedience to hierarchical authority figures such as parents, kings, nobility, slave-masters, etc., consider war legitimate and praiseworthy, consider sacramental, material worship to be extremely important, direct their worship to a pantheon, have thousands of patrons, consider family to be paramount, have strong senses of providence, believe in helping the least members of society, have strong distinctions between sacred and profane. And more.
>>480940
>>480864
Be careful generalising pagan religions. Norse and Celtic beliefs are very different, as are the old religions of Southern and Eastern Europe, not to mention the Egyptian and Roman religions, all of which fall under the description of Paganism. Each of these religions had completely different beliefs, some close to Christianity, some different.
>>480841
A bit wordy for a put-down, but Hitler is as always right.
>>480790
Vikings were farmers, dipshit.
>>480940
Former Germanic heathen turned Christian here:
There's a big BIG difference in christian and reconstructed heathen ethics, the most noticeable to an outsider to both being in-group/out-group distinction.
Protective laws (shit like don't steal, don't lie, don't kill, etc) don't apply to foreigners/outsiders/people not in your "tribe" in reconstructed germanic thought.
Christian ethics apply whether the christian is dealing with christians or non-christians.
>consider war legitimate and praiseworthy
War isn't praiseworthy in christianity, being seen as a necessary evil of last resort.
War is praiseworthy in heathenry, being considered an act of worship in some cases.
There is also the shame-guilt distinction as to how christians and heathens deal with improper behaviour.
In heathenry, correction of improper behaviour comes about when the community actively shames and ostracizes the "sinner" such that they correct themselves in order to restore social standing. This system only allows for the correct of overt sin, such as discovered adultry.
In christianity, correction (ideally) comes about from contrition, that is, personal awareness of improper behaviour based on internalized understanding of doctrine. This allows for guilt to be felt for non-overt sins, such as un-acted upon lust.
Reconstructed heathenry also has a different (and in my opinion, facile) conception of theism and it's necessity in general.
>>480717
neo-paganism is a meme "religion"
What's that, a druid Assassin?
>>483965
so is christianity.
>>480770
>>Romans beating Ireland
never happened
>>Vikings beating Ireland
never happened and Ireland was christian
>>Brits beating Ireland
happened but Ireland had been christian since before the English. In fact it was largely Irish missionaries who converted the English.
We can't revive a pagan religion because pagan religions come out of the spirit of the people. We have to let them develop organically. That's the difference between paganism and "religion" like christianity. Christianity is an artifical system forced into the soul of the population, paganism is derived directly out of the soul of the people.
>>480717
There is absolutely no written evidence for Celtic religious tradition that does not come from Christian clergy sources, so there's no way to know what they were really doing.
Pope Gregory wrote about Germanic Pagans using Meditteranean Pagan practices, which they probably didn't, for example.
>>483661
>Former Germanic heathen turned Christian
So you were a moron, and now you're an idiot.
>>480753
>Because they are dumb shit for fat fedoralords who wan't to feel powerful because centuries ago some people he isn't related to because even his ancestors were beta were warriors.
This. But then, there are still millions who pray to a dead kike on a stick, so feel free, you aren't the only moron.
>>483661
>Former Germanic heathen turned Christian here:
why do I just not believe you...
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. Now I'm all out of gum!
>>484106
>There is absolutely no written evidence for Celtic religious tradition that does not come from Christian clergy sources
We have a couple from Caesar and Tacitus. But the veracity of the accounts is questionable.
Why not try and reform Pagan Religions into a modern viewpoint?
>>480717
druids were elitist wankers who kept all knowledge of rites to themselves
it's one of the main reasons so many pagans converted in the first place
>>484138
>Why not try and reform Pagan Religions into a modern viewpoint?
They did that in Iceland for example. In the end, there is just a general lack of interest in Religions whatsoever.
>>484138
Dumbing things down for mass appeal results in less interest. Look at Anglicanism.
>>484138
because the old pagan religions were for other people, living in another time. you can't revive it, just as you can't revive the people who have been dead 1000 years. a new paganism has to be completely new, and it has to develop over time. you can't just invent it in a day.
>>484142
>druids were elitist wankers who kept all knowledge of rites to themselves
They mainly just thought that [holy] knowledge shouldn't be written down, only passed orally. Plus, chiefs and kings were holy men of a kind too. So there was the chance that people didn't like the decentralisation.
>>484138
>Why not try and reform Religions into a modern viewpoint?
Because that's worked out so well for Protestants.
>>484131
They're not going to cover it in any kind of meaningful detail that would let someone else worship it.
How much could you tell from a Catholic church if you couldn't speak the language and didn't understand the imagery?
>>484109
>there are still millions who pray to a dead kike on a stick, so feel free, you aren't the only moron.
Want a sip of mountain dew, m80 ?
Heck, what kind of value system and doctrines would you are if you are a Worshiper of the Old Gods?
What kind of teachings from Norse Religion, Tengrism or Shamanism would influence your worldview?
>>484170
Apparently enough to keep it going for another 1000 years.
>>484170
>They're not going to cover it in any kind of meaningful detail that would let someone else worship it.
There is the theory that Caesar's man was a phony or reject druid who just told him a heap of stuff similar to their rites, but Tacitus' was closer to the real deal.
Yea, it's not perfect, but there's at least some of it.
>>484181
But then you're worshipping a Pagan Roman's interpretation of a religion which was still around and probably differed regionally for the next 500-600 years, it's not really doable in any kind of meaningful way. Celtic religious practice may have become more or less refined in that period, may have been more universally similar or differed more regionally. It's impossible to tell, and honestly it detracts more from the original religion if you're going to try and worship a sham.
>>484188
>it's not really doable in any kind of meaningful way.
Absolutely, but my original point was that we do have *some* possible recorded evidence from the period. Not just later Christian monks.
>It's impossible to tell, and honestly it detracts more from the original religion if you're going to try and worship a sham.
I concur, but that's really a different philosophical subject.
>>483661
I'm pretty sure you became a "heathen" because they were cool on the internet at some point. And then you converted to christianity because /pol/ thinks it's cool
>>480717
They practiced human sacrifice, and they didn't want you knowing anything about their religion.
That last one is especially important. If you want to be consistent with the teaching of the Celtic Religion, you should remain ignorant of their religion.
>>480790
>Clontarf
>A battle between the King of Leinster, and the King of Connacht
>Proves something about 'vikings'.
>>484113
Well, here's my big old dusty Thor statue next to my shiny and well treated collection of crosses and other Jesus paraphernalia.
>>486146
>I'm pretty sure you became a "heathen" because they were cool on the internet at some point
Nah, an IRL friend got me into it.
>And then you converted to christianity because /pol/ thinks it's cool
Nah, really, if any 4chan board could be blamed, it's /x/. Iranaeus' makes for good trolling material against gnostics, and gnosticism is the de facto religion over there.
Reading volumes upon volumes of materials from the church fathers eventually just convinced me of christendom's truth.
from shitposting to sanctification...
as for /pol/, everything there is new-right atheism; nothing about it's core philosophy is christian, and when it does appeal to christianity, it's only in those places that it coincides with the Nietzschean horrors that the board truly follows.
>>480790
Vikings never beat Ireland they set up a few cities and that's about it. When the Irish finally got fed up with the Vikings in Dublin and their Irish allies, the battle of clontarf happened. All the Vikings were slaughtered all 6000.
>>486823
Where can you buy a statue like that senpai?
