Why is Evola so popular nowadays?
I don't get his fans either. He seems to be popular with authoritarian types but he's about as anti-fascist as you can possibly get.
>>476687
Was he the guy that wrote Ride the Tiger?
God that was fucking shit.
>>476687
Pareto is better. Read Pareto.
He taps into something many people are realizing about history.
If french fucks like Foucault are right, that everything is political, then history can never be genuine. It will instead be argued over and reconstructed and lied outright about.
This is mythic history. Evola only saw that how you view history is more important than what actually happened.
If thinking you came from a hyborean race that founded Atlantis makes your life more heroic and worth living then believe it; don't let your brain be cucked by PC revisionist history that tries to tell you everyone is exactly the same.
>>476740
>If thinking you came from a hyborean race that founded Atlantis makes your life more heroic and worth living then believe it; don't let your brain be cucked by PC revisionist history that tries to tell you everyone is exactly the same.
>one brand of ethnocentric revisionism is better than another
So, what, you think afrocentrists have the right idea?
>>476751
In a Nietzschean mindset yes. Since both sides are simply the perspective of the other, yeah. But just the same that doesn't mean Eurocentrists have to give them any ground and vice versa.
>>476714
This. Pareto (and his pals Mosca and Michels) are like Evola without the mythical faggotry.
>>476740
Man, the day the right manages to use the intellectual weaponry left by post-structuralists against the left itself... it will be beautiful.
>>476770
Well, I find that just shuts down debate. If people don't clash ideas and aren't open to revising their own theories, debate produces nothing and your thesis has no worth except for you and your own because it doesn't have to hold up to scrutiny.
Also, Nietzsche wouldn't endorse someone's attitude of perceiving oneself as an extension of his ancestors or of the society he is part of.
>>476787
yeah you're so right
He provides a Western alternative to secular thought without requiring you to believe in God.
Because the Männerbund is the only defense of the individual against the growing power of the centralized state in an age where every single autonomous intermediary corps of society has been subjugated to central authority or corrupted by ideological adherence to it's propositions.
>>476751
Calling it "right is" retarded, but they are still making the best choice for themselves.
Why would they want to learn "factual" history where they get fucked by whitey literally at every turn. where they were so outclassed in any life preserving metric that their entire last several hundred years of historical facts were basically dictated by whites.
Better to "we wuz kingz"
Similarly white kids growing up now with 0 guidance will do better for themselves to "we wuz kingz"
>>476787
soon.
there are still some wrinkles, but I think the zeitgeist is prepping for something massive.
I think we need a right wing return to Hegel.
>>476792
Don't be so black and white about it. "mythical history" does not replace facts.
But the "debate" you are talking about is already useless and politicized. all you are doing is plugging a leak with something that gives your life motivation and direction.
Nietzsche might not have leaned on the idea of race, but he did lean on a historical tradition. Your mythic history does not need to be race based. Its entirely possible to see yourself as a champion of almost anything you give a fuck about. Most people are already inadvertently living some mythic fantasy in their own heads about being a "rational" or "scientific" or "peaceful" or "religious" literally wherever.
I don't get him. He eschewed central power and authority yet he hated liberalism
>>476687
He thought Italian fascism had potential originally and critiqued it mainly for not being right-wing enough. His criticisms of fascism are nothing like those of the Antifa crowd.
>The previous phase, limited in its extent, had been that of the Romantic hero: the man who feels himself alone in the face of divine indifference, and the superior individual who despite everything reaffirms himself in a tragic context. He breaks accepted laws, but not in the sense of denying their validity but rather he claims for himself exceptional rights to what is forbidden, be it good or ill. The process exhausts itself in Max Stirner, who saw in all morality the ultimate form of the divine fetish that was to be destroyed. He denounced the beyond that exists within man and tries to give him rules as being a new heaven, that is merely the insidious transposition of the external, theological beyond, which has been negated.
STIRNERFAGS BTFO
>>476831
What is feudalism
>>476830
>Why would they want to learn "factual" history where they get fucked by whitey literally at every turn. where they were so outclassed in any life preserving metric that their entire last several hundred years of historical facts were basically dictated by whites.
Because things happened. They may understand their current position better and their sociopolitical theories could have some basis in facts rather than just good feelings.
>>476830
>but he did lean on a historical tradition.
Nietzsche didn't endorse tradition in any way. The ubermensch is not a follower, and this doesn't just refer to how he isn't subservient to other men; the ubermensch isn't subservient to any ideology other than Nietzsche's brand of egoism. Riding other people's coattails (mythical or real) is not life-affirming.
Personally, I don't think searching meaning and direction in the unchangeable past, especially a mythical one, is very constructive.
>>476889
What kind of retard wants feudalism
>>476881
>He denounced the beyond that exists within man and tries to give him rules as being a new heaven, that is merely the insidious transposition of the external, theological beyond, which has been negated.
Spooktacular.
>>476916
Landed gentry.
>>476831
He saw in the moral suppositions of liberalism the tool under which central power and authority would grow.
>>476931
By the way, he couldn't have hated liberalism so much if he corresponded with Benedetto Croce. He hated the French Revolution, indeed, but their work wasn't so much the fulfillment of liberalism as the destruction of it's own social basis.
>The problem of the limitation of Power, so it was supposed, only arose from the defective solution found in earlier times for the problem of the formation of Power. If the source of government is undefiled, then liberty is the offspring, not, as formerly, of its weakness, but of its strength; it is no longer Power's growth that will be antisocial, but any obstacle which it is sought to oppose to its growth. Thus it happened that the enemies of Power became the fanatical agents of its growth and realized in a few months the absolutism which had for centuries eluded the grasp of the monarchy.
>The French monarchy had spent whole centuries in dissolving all the various forces in society which resisted its will— yet it had still left in being some few scattered remnants of the institutions of the Middle Ages. What next? The Constituent Assembly made a clean sweep of all these last remaining obstacles: independence of the clergy, tradition of the nobility, municipal bodies of towns, syndicates of guilds, States provincial, local Parliaments, hereditary offices, all disappeared in a day, not to make way for more liberal institutions, but to enrich with their effects, and to augment still further, the central authority.
>So complete was the work of destruction of the makeweights which the wild men of the Revolution effected, that for many generations to come the French nation, with no other object before its eyes than the state, would come to place in it all hope and all fear, would seek unceasingly to change its ministers, and would lose in the end the instinct of association and the tendency to form societies within society, which had in other days been the precious bulwarks of liberty.
Bertrand de Jouvenel, On Power
>ITT: I am the warrior of my daydreams
>>476687
He provides a veneer of respectability to venting the bigoted attitudes their pseudo-tribal affiliations dictate they espouse.
>>476687
>Why is Evola so popular nowadays?
Because lots of people are dissatisfied with the shallow consumerism of modern capitalist societies, but in the wake of the debacle that was 20th century communism/socialism, they do not see leftist politics as a viable alternative. Particularly because most people never read anything more than "Ride the Tiger" (thus avoiding most of the weird esoteric stuff) Evola appears to present a viable third path that denounces materialism while still maintaining a strong sense of identity and personal dignity.
In many ways, Evola lets the reader indulge in a sort of sanitized fascism, with all the glorification of tradition and strength and will, but very little of the overt racism and totalitarianism that makes fascism so unpalatable today.
>>476881
I'm retarded. What is he saying here? that max stirner refutes himself?
>>477134
How condescending, I am sure your the same type of person who prefers Stirner over Nietzsche
>>477249
so it's fascism for pussies?
>>477271
It's fascism without resorting to da juice and other boogeymen.
>>477266
Nietzsche is more poetic, Stirner is much more "pure" in the sense that he convoys a sense of detachment rather than passion.
not that guy tho
Who /iron pilled/ here?
>>477274
so it's for people who want to feel they have a striving by ignoring the actual things to strive for AKA rid this world of immorality and spiritual disease (which could, for all purposes, be synonymous with exterminating the jews)?
why not practice buddhism instead?
>>477286
ahahah
this guy here
so righteous ahah
>>477261
Stirner makes ego his god
>>477290
you know it might sound ignorant of me to say this, but marx had a point in his criticism of stirner "saint max."
a person doesn't necessarily become free simply because he realizes he's a slave, that's stupid as fuck and illogical. naturally, if a person is a slave and comes to that realization, being a non slave would be his goal. if what evola preaches is just for an individual to "ride the tiger" without doing any riding at all (aka destroying the kikes) then it's just pointless bravado. sort of how nietzsche wasn't an ubermensch despite writing thus spake Zarathustra
and now back to stirner, stirner actually was the creative nothing, the unique one
>>477308
actually scratch that part about naturally, if slavery is convenient for that individual then he wouldn't strive to remove his chains, but let's say that for the sake of our argument is is inconvenient.
>>477308
>naturally, if a person is a slave and comes to that realization, being a non slave would be his goal
i totally disagree. one can be a proud slave. in a healthy society that wouldn't be a weird thing in my opinion.
>>477326
nO, we're all unique
Evola doesn't say anything that can't be deconstructed thoroughly.
It doesn't matter what kind of ideals you espouse, or what appeals to traditions use if you cannot convince people that it is superior to being ironic.
>>477333
you make me feel speciaL
>>477338
special can mean great which is an attribute. attributes cannot define the creative nothing.
>>477347
creativity is an attribute
>>477308
see: >>477319
Evola preaches about how social roles are viewed differently in a traditional society. The local baker wouldn't be seen as a pleb due to his monetary status, but rather an artist. Obviously, there are those that are of higher "status" than others, but it's not due to financial means. You have to basically ignore historical materialism and step into Evola's mindset to see how he looks at societies. There is a difference between a divine king and a president.
>>476904
Can we all agree that Nietzsche BTFO Evola before Evola was even born?
>>477768
nah
>>477319
>one can be a proud slave. in a healthy society that wouldn't be a weird thing in my opinion.
If you are the slave to someone bad ass and you are actually give real responsibilities and a chance to be creative (as the more educated slaves were) than that's something to take pride in.
I think he had autism
>>476787
But they can't. Their lies have to be believed to work to their advantage.
If they start claiming that nothing is true, they undermine everything they care about.
