Why were Vikings so fucking shit?
>>475779
Honestly vikings were pretty good, not nearly as great as pop culture makes them out to be. But the reaction against them on /his/ is equally inaccurate.
They accomplished some impressive things, they lost in a lot of spectacular ways. But at the end of the day shitty warriors don't make history.
>>475779
because other than raping, pillaging and killing innocent people they contributed exactly zero shit to the whole cultural progression of Europe. Even upon 'discovering' the new world, they left it uncolonised and frightened of indigenous people.
>>475901
No other group in the Early Middle Ages colonized America either.
And yes, Norsemen did much to change and influence northern Europe, and even then through Varangians and Normans effected all corners of Europe.
The North Germanic languages survived where East Germanic did not.
>>475913
>even then through Varangians and Normans effected all corners of Europe
no they didn't, not in the slightest bit. only normandy one could take into account.
varangians did zero, they were cheap, primitive bodyguards without political allegiance, that is the reason why they were used.
>>475901
>they contributed exactly zero shit to the whole cultural progression of Europe.
>what are normans
>what are rus
>>475930
>>475913
>varangians
>rus
not vikings, for the fact
>>475933
Varangians ruled the Rus dummy
>>475927
>no they didn't, not in the slightest bit.
Lel
>only normandy one could take into account.
And Sicily and Southern Italy, which they retook for Christianity. And the kingdoms they took in the middle east.
>varangians did zero, they were cheap, primitive bodyguards without political allegiance, that is the reason why they were used.
They were also the monarchs of the Rus, as well as Byzantine elite guardsmen.
>>475958
Pic related
>>475958
>>475950
>>475930
>we wuz vikins and sheit
still doing this crap, wasn't it like over two days ago? go speak with your ancestors clapitrap this shit you are spilling is regressing the whole /board
>>475958
>normans
>vikings
They spoke a French dialect, they followed French cultural traditions.
>>475982
Started by Norsemen. They were Carolingian Norsemen.
>>475994
They had Norse blood but they mixed with the Franks so that it would be stupid to call them "Norsemen." Normans are a Norse/Frank hybrid; they're their own thing, not Vikings.
>>475994
Yeah you're claiming that the conquest of Sicily was done by 'vikings', by that point they weren't.
>>476018
Ethnicity has nothing to do with it, we're talking about culture. Not that guy btw
>>476018
They are Carolingian Norsemen. Simple as that. They are not just Norsemen, nor are they your typical Romano-Gauls or Franks.
>>476026
Normans have Norse origin.
>>475972
>>we wuz vikins and sheit
Were they not?
>>476037
Okay, cool, by that logic lets say the British Empire was founded by Celtic Britons.
If you're culturally norse, and then you become culturally french, your achievements cannot be credited to being culturally norse. Are you retarded?
>>476046
still are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tj4_L-9edQ
>>476030
Norman culture cannot be compared with Norse culture in any significant way because it's a difference between a pagan tribal society and a Christian monarchy.
>>476053
I'm agreeing with you, you know.
>>476058
Then we are in heated agreement!
Because people on this board don't credit them for what they were actually good at. Anybody can pillage and plunder, but few were as good sailers and explorers as the vikings.
>>475933
How where the varangians not vikings? There was so many people in west goth that migrated to Greece that they didn't allowed any migrants to inherent property.
>>475901
>what are the Icelandic sagas
never understood why /his/ dislikes the vikings (maybe calling them norse would be more correct). yea, for they were for the most part raiders, traders or settlers, but they still managed to do some pretty impressive things
> Implying England wasn't conquered by the Norse
> Implying Norse weren't as important in creating England as the Saxons, Anglos and Normans
> Implying Celts or Romans had anything to do with it
> Implying the language we are writing in isn't a mongrelized Old Nordic
> Implying the Norse didn't create Scandinavia, the best place in the world to live
>>476165
Because 4chan is full of contrarian and hipster that dislike everything popular.
>>476037
To say that the Normans are Norse Vikings is like saying the Seljuks were pastoral horse archers, or that the Mughals were barbaric Mongols.
It's true that it's their ancestry, but they absorbed so much cultural influence from the land they conquered and mixed heavily with its inhabitants to the point that their original traditions only vaguely survived.
>>476143
>what are the Icelandic sagas
nobody knows and nobody cares
>>476049
>Okay, cool, by that logic lets say the British Empire was founded by Celtic Britons.
More like the English have Germanic Tribes origins, and the rest has Celtic origins. It's not hard.
>If you're culturally norse, and then you become culturally french, your achievements cannot be credited to being culturally norse. Are you retarded?
It's origins were culturally Norse, and become something else. It was Carolingian when it made its strides but was born Norse.
>>476171
>Implying the language we are writing in isn't a mongrelized Old Nordic
Well both North Germanic (Norse) and our own West Germanic English came from Proto-Germanic. You're close.
Is this a /his/ forced meme or just one guy super butthurt about the Norse?
>>476297
>just one guy
certainly not one guy, the "vikings wuz warriors" is a shitty meme just like that niggerish "we wuz qings". what is amazing how much "muh ancestors speak to me" burgers are butthurt over that.
>>476261
Hence Carolingian Norsemen. Not Norse Norsemen.
>>476271
That's cuz u gay fahm
>>476322
Were they not fighters?
>>476322
I for one find it baffling. It's a tiny religious demographic, even on 4chan, and even among Germanic neo-pagans, literalists by no means comprise a majority of the movement.
>>476165
it's the biggest cultural-marxist indoctrination board on 4chins, which means that unironically they're trying to rewrite history on a history board
>>475901
>They contributed nothing.
Senpai. Clearly you know nothing about Ireland. Apart from their quarrels with the monks they did nothing wrong, they just bred, traded and buggered off. Pretty based if you ask me.
>>476432
>cultural Marxist
Take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.
>>475901
>they contributed exactly zero shit to the whole cultural progression of Europe.
system of writing,
shipbuilding,
compass stone,
navigation with stars,
had discovered islands and America,
religion with after-death life, better than jewish live-only-once crap,
norse style of poetry,
et cetera and so on and so forth
>>476493
>religion with after-death life,
To be fair, it wasn't an eternal after life.
>>476493
absolutely nothing you listed here brought Europe any further, absolutely everything listed was known before by other European cultures, was of better quality, of higher value and of more impact.
"Viking warriors" are a meme-sheet brought by Wagnerism and norseboos in the 19th century, and has now become popular through muh heritage burgerism.
>>476513
>absolutely everything listed was known before by other European cultures
Tell me more about shipbuilding into Wallahia
>>476513
Except for all the shit they did that you refuse to address.
Then again, you probably think pretending to be retarded was a masterful ruse.
>>476165
/his/ does not. Trolls push this counterfactual Norse-were-shit silliness.
MUH ANCESTHUURRZ SPEAK TO MEEE
WALHALALAA !!!! SNORRIII FLOOKI WITNESSS MEEEE
>ITT ancestors calling again
>>476534
>counterfactual Norse-were-shit silliness.
please, will niggers raping and killing also be considered some romantic warrior crap amongst afro-americans in 500 years?
>2150 A.D.
>"we niggas wuz great warriors"
>you raped and killed innocent women and children
>fuck you anon, we invented kool-aid, chicken an sheeit
>>476501
Do you want some theosophy?
Life as day and night, be awake or be sleep.
You think, you was born from nowhere, and you think you will go to nowhere at some day.
You already come once from nowhere,
So you can come from nowhere again.
>>476557
>pretending to be retarded
Why didn't I think of such a great ruse?
>>476575
>sunclock
>first invented 3500 BC by egyptians
>fucking progressive vikings
being retarded, such an intricate ruse
>>476557
You don't understand that the Vikings aren't just know because of the whole raiding thing, but because they sorta discovered America and were pretty good at the whole seafaring business compared to your average European (and the rest of the world) at the time, plus they sorta created the whole deal with the Normans and to a lesser extent Russia.
>>476601
>I will ignore all Viking influence, trade expansion, settlement, exploitation, and metalworking
>>476611
Fucking this.
>but muh empires
>waah vikings were just shitty raiders
Founding and exploring shit is important too.
