Why did the charismatic future leader of Germany have such a poor war record. Sure he got his Iron Cross, but he never made corporal. You'd think a nations leader would be at least a Captain? Even in this picture he doesn't look like much of a leader.
>>472776
Hitler was actually a puppet. Heinrich Himmer was the one pulling the strings.
Apparently he was autistic as fuck until the end of the war. The mustard gas attack he received in 1918 was what supposedly removed the betaness out of him and allowed him to become the most powerful man in the world. Shit I'd take the risk of mustard gas if it bumped up my charisma like that.
>>472787
Heinrich Himmler was even more autistic than Hitler. He was the complete opposite of the "ubermensch". Only because he was friends with Hitler he was able to keep his job. Just look how pathetic he looks. The Russian prisoner on the other side of the fence looks more capable.
>>472776
>survive ww1
>battle from the beginning to the end
>gassed, lose sight and voice
>win iron cross second and first class
>supposedly refuse promotion
>wounded by shrapnel
>personally write commander to bring him back to the front while at the hospital
not in chronological order, but those are his major milestones. He also befriended a dog and got all his artwork and drawings stolen by some asshole in the trenches.
>>472776
that's not hitler, that's roger estep
>>472797
>>472798
His regiment suffered MASSIVE causalities. That and being in the war for all 4 years of it, there would be plenty of spots open for promotion. Germany was losing men and needed people with experience as replacements. The fact that Hitler was unable to make rank with those favorable conditions make me wonder. In all his pictures of the war he's always at the end facing away from people. Shouldn't the future leader of a nation be right in the middle with a big smile on his face?
Was it autism, and the rest of German high command having to hide it from the general population?
>>472845
>mfw the majority of Hitler's inner circle were all autists who got off on the idea of an ideal genetically superior Aryan man
>>472845
It takes a lot to knock the meek NEET in Vienna out of a guy. Gustl's memoirs of those days are a great read.
Take alook at www.thebeststorynevertold.tv them you will understand te truth about mein fuhrer.
Heilhitler heil
>>472776
He was a bit autistic being a (frustrated) arts student and all that, but mainly what happened it's that he was a foreigner in the german army. He had it harder than others.
>>472827
Thought the bottom right guy was Tojo at first glance.
>>472827
>The fact that Hitler was unable to make rank with those favorable conditions make me wonder.
It's like he was a foreigner enlisted in German army. Oh wait, he was.
>>472819
I have never seen someone thinking 'YOU ON ME, ONE ON ONE FAGGOT' so hard in my life.
>>472972
Why was he so keen in joining a Bavarian regiment?
>>472977
And that faggot with the glasses is the leader of the fucking SS.... I mean jesus christ, he looks like the kid that the losers tease in school. What kind of example were they making having a guy like Himmler lead the SS? Someone who looked a bit more like pic related should of had the job.
>>473030
I think he was living in Munich at the time.
>>473042
Guys like pic related were too busying getting mowed down on the Eastern Front in the Das Reich, or Totenkopf division.
>>473030
Possibly because of Bavaria's cultural and geographic closeness to Austria?
>>473042
Cause Himmler was good at running the SS
Turned them from a small group of security guards into a huge organization that ran Germany's security infrastructure, fielded its own army, and went on a bunch of silly adventures to justify their weird racial theories
>>473030
Because he really, really hated the Hapsburgs, and there was a chance that if he left to finally stop draft dodging Austria, he'd not be able to get back to Germany.
>>473030
I was told that he didn't want to join the Habsburg army because he didn't want to fight side by side with slavs.
>>473065
Even if he wasn't fighting for the Habsburg's he was still fighting for a bunch of politicians, something I thought he was against considering his bohemian lifestyle. Seems odd he would enlist in the first place unless it so he could be a German citizen. He was a wehrboo before there was even a Wehrmacht.
Why couldn't he get promoted yet was able to rise through the ranks of the NSDAP so quick?
>>472791
>you'll never be blinded by mustard gas and emerge as a highly charismatic man that can rule an empire
>>473114
Run an empire
Get rekt to the ground
Lol
>>473103
He was member #33 of the DAP before it became the NSDAP. He basically got in on the ground floor.
>>472776
He was apparently standoffish and prudish. He was so disliked that they made him a courier. His job was to sprint unarmed between trenches, repeatedly exposing himself to fire. It was basically a death sentence but it's been said of Hitler that he had the devil's own luck.
>>473135
Still if he was so magically charismatic like everyone said he was, he would charming the pants off his unit and getting promoted like a mad man. Hell he would probably get the Pour Le Merit. But instead he couldn't get corporal because he leaders thought he lacked leadership material. He was also considered aloof and loner by his fellow soldiers.
>>473174
It's almost like people can change over a decade.
>>473220
I know, right? It's almost as if history has to do with people and not squirrels and donkeys
>>473220
By the end of the war he was 28 years old. Seems a bit old for such a radical personality change don't you think?
>>473241
Major life events can change people. I don't claim to know anything about Hitler, but as a 46 year old man, I can tell you that I'm not the same person I was at 28.
>>473241
It wasn't really a personality change, he just gained an outlet to sperg out out people were inspired by his passion
>>473249
>46 year old man
>on 4chan
I thought being 23 years old is old enough around here.How did you find 4chan? ( my parents is around your age and they cant even used the remote properly )
>>473276
I've worked with computers and the internet most of my life so I'm a bit different than the average middle aged person. I don't even remember how I initially found 4chan, but it was around 2005 or 2006 and it's all been downhill from there.
>>472776
according to former comrades, he refused to be considered for promotion
>>473276
4chan has been around since 2003 man. Drawing the line at 23 being old is a bit much, I am 27 myself. I'm willing to bet you will find older anons on this board, like on /k/.
>>473272
Why wasn't he sperging out in the military? He wanted a great Germany. Instead he's hiding in the trenches drawing pictures or petting cats instead of rallying the troops and being a charismatic sergeant that was loved by all.
But in your view do you think was a wierdo and hidden by the public, and only brought out to sperg out in his speeches?
>>473343
>But in your view do you think was a wierdo and hidden by the public, and only brought out to sperg out in his speeches?
Hitler absolutely was a weirdo who only let people see a consciously crafted image, even in private.
As for why he wasn't a charismatic leader during the war, Charisma is a function of a person's role in society. Hitler did not change so much as society changed, to make Hitler charismatic.
>>473378
Charisma on a basic level is a social skill that allows people to like you more, regardless of the content of your speech. What do you mean that society changed to allow Hitler to be charismatic? That it was more accepting of his views?
Instead of charismatic I see him as an actor that gave speeches. Like you mentioned he had to have a consciously crafted image that was well hidden from public so they couldn't see his power level. Most of the high level people he dealt with didn't have positive opinions of him. In a personal social interaction Hitler was no Bill Clinton.
>>473406
>Charisma on a basic level is a social skill that allows people to like you more, regardless of the content of your speech.
No. If there is an inherent individual component of charisma, it is strictly secondary.
>What do you mean that society changed to allow Hitler to be charismatic? That it was more accepting of his views?
Not just his views, but his format of presentation, etc. etc.
He was sperging out in the Men's Home he lived in in Vienna, and his audience literally told him to shut the fuck up.
I'll give a concrete, albeit extreme example: A person who's very charismatic in personal interactions can be an uncharismatic boor on 4chan and viceversa. This isn't just the function of things like social anxiety, but knowledge of board culture, use of the medium, etc. etc. They know how to post in a way to get screen-capped. 4chan allows them to be charismatic.
Similarly with Hitler, where he fullfilled a specific function within Weimar Politics that allowed him to be charismatic, while in the German Army made him simply annoying.
>Like you mentioned he had to have a consciously crafted image that was well hidden from public so they couldn't see his power level. Most of the high level people he dealt with didn't have positive opinions of him. In a personal social interaction Hitler was no Bill Clinton.
If you look at contemporary sources though, Hitler's carefully crafted images worked more than we like to admit. And I do mean images. That was part of the careful crafting when you saw him in private, even if you were a Nazi: he would very carefully shape and change his personality and the facts of his existence to prey on your psychology.
>>473434
Right his interactions with the public were finely crafted. The lighting the architecture, everything at those events was part of the show. As was Hitler. But off stage I imagine he wasn't what you consider someone with the best of social skills. This is a large reason why his private life was hidden. There is evidence of him going on sperg rants at dinner about how you should be a vegetarian, while giving graphic descriptions of animal death. Goring imo would be the charismatic one. He had the social graces and charm that Hitler lacked.
Read up on ww1 Hitler more. His superiors said that he refused to be promoted.
>>473479
But they also mention he was a loner and not considered leadership material. Maybe he might of made corporal, but what were his chances of making junior officer/ There's also the factor that he was considered a foreigner, but if he was truly that charismatic that wouldn't matter.
>be nationalist for Germany
>born in Austria
Why?
>>473605
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>>473462
But Hitler, when he wanted to, demonstrated plenty of social graces and charm. The sperg rants happened in his inner circle, which is a community where dealing with sperg rants was part of the social dynamic.
I'm saying that his interpersonal relations were just as finely crafted. Hitler could have social graces and charm to fit the situation.
>>473605
The borders between Austria and Germany had to do with monarchical inheritence.
As far as Hitler (and a lot of Germans, a number of them liberals) was concerned, he was a German, born in a part of Germany, that was owned by the Hapsburg dynasty.
The modern equivelent would be
>Be nationalist for China
>Born in Taiwan.
Or yeah
>>473625
>Be Russian Nationalist
>Born in whichever soviet breakaway republic.
>>473042
Who is that? Excuse my ignorance. He looks like the sniper in saving private Ryan who kills carpazo
>>473648
This is the basis for Anschluss as well.
>>473276
I saw a (purported) 55 year old guy shitposting on /b/. I'm 36 now but I still find things I would never have known about on this board. It's gotten me onto some interesting history
>>472776
Hitler and Mussolini did their grunt work competently.
Churchill did his high-stakes command duty in WWI poorly.
Has no bearing either way.
>>472787
Himmler has no power the moment he gave the RSHA over to Kaltenbrunner. Kaltenbrunner formed an alliance with Bormann and shut that autistic fucker down.
Even the top Waffen-SS commanders made sure he did not interact with their troops. Depp Dietrich even issued a decree banning Himmler from approaching his officers.
Why did Hitler suffer from hysterical blindness?
>>474035
Because he very much, subconsciously, saw himself as a god on a mission.
>>474009
Sepp*
>>472776
Read the biography done by his best friend
>yfw his political career and WW2 were art projects
>>472776
>You'd think a nations leader would be at least a Captain?
Emperor Trajan began as a fucking slave.
How does that hold up to your assumption?
>>474497
Emperor Trajan began as a governor's son. And a military commander. And a tribune. And a consul. What are you on about.
>>474512
One of them did, can't remember which, Trajan was the first that came to mind.
>>472776
nobility and stuff
>>472798
>gassed, lose sight and voice
Is that why his voice is so deep and magical? Because of mustard gas? Because maybe I should gas myself then.
>>476378
This is my thoughts as well.
>gas self with mustard gas
>become ultra charismatic
>>472827
>Shouldn't the future leader of a nation be right in the middle with a big smile on his face?
Yes
Because everyone smiles in war photos
>>473090
He might have been a painter but he was still very nationalistic and a proud ethnic German. He wanted to fight for Germany and for Germans, not for Hapsburgs and their mongrel empire.
The Germans actually tried to make him join the Austrian army first, but he deliberately failed the physical exam there and returned to Munich so he could join the Bavarian army instead. He was that adamant about it.
>>473503
>but if he was truly that charismatic that wouldn't matter.
I get the feeling you take your idea of charisma off /tg/.
>>476107
There are sources claiming he probably was a slave himself, not to mention Diocletian's father seemed to be one, and considering the origin being in Dalmatia, its very plausible.
Nitpicking aside, there are examples of rulers coming from less plausible circumstances than a corporal.
Basil I, a Byzantine emperor, begun as a descendant of peasants, and his first road to prominence came through contact with a member of a wealthy Byzantine family, where he later won the favor of Michael III after defeating a Bulgarian champion and displaying his qualities in taming horses.
These aren't the only examples that can be listed either.
>>472797
This Heinrich Hinmler was an autist, aspergers, etc. shit needs to stop. Aside from a stereotypical appearance he possessed virtually none of the traits.
He got women, he had a family, he was very cordial and sociable, he could make people laugh, etc. Traudl Junge said she never trusted him (probably a post-war opinion) but said there was no denying his charm.
>>472845
>yfw National Socialism was literally the beta uprising
>they lost
>>473605
>nationalist
>for another country
Has cuck'ing gone to far???
