What caused the rampant homophobia and misogyny so prevalent in Jamaican culture ( especially in dancehall music ) not seen elsewhere?
Is it wrong to enjoy work featuring homophobic and misogynistic lyrics while advocating feminism and LGBT+ rights? ( I wouldn't spend a dollar on it though. )
Go be a whiny bitch elsewhere.
>>469144
>asking a question is being a whiny bitch
This is also really relevant to another question I have:
Dancehall music frequently is very... sensual and flamboyant, all the while being against that. Why is this?
Buju is the best.
Funnily enough, The Guardian says that enjoying Dancehall (which everyone should) is probably the best predictor of hating gays in Jamaica which is hilarious (source: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/jamaica-music-anti-gay-dancehall-homophobia )
I don't know what the real cause is but Africans are some of the most statistically homophobic people on the planet and it would surprise me if Jamaica's experience with the subject isn't linked to whatever causes it in Africa as well.
Homophobia and misogyny are prevalent everywhere that isn't the West (narrowly defined).
Even in developed countries in Asia you'd be pretty shocked at people's attitudes.
>>469127
The politics of an artist have fuck-all to do with the quality of his art, libtard.
>>469179
>implying I don't agree
just asking a question
It does certainly influence their art though.
>>469179
This is the most autistic post i have ever seen.
Of course the politics of an artist influence the art you retarded idiot.
>>469183
that's not what he was saying family
>>469172
>everywhere that isn't the West
While it isn't just as common in the West than as in the rest of the world, it's still definitely there.
>>469127
>while advocating feminism and LGBT+ rights?
take your gay agena and shove it, it's a very very very simple concept that is rooted in the essence of life that a MAN + WOMAN = CHILD
anything outside that is IRRATIONAL. faggot
>>469182
So don't worry about their politics. If their shit is fire, jam the fuck out.
>>469211
:) thank you for your insight
>>469213
I know, but what makes me self concious about this is how many people agree with and are influenced by the politics behind it.
By listening to it on YouTube or talking about it is contributing to its political influence, even though it goes directly against my beliefs.
It feels like I have to choose between rights/fun.
What is the obsession with these Jamaican singers with gays?
It's cliche to say, but I think there's often some truth to the biggest homophobes being closet fags. Why else would you ever bother thinking about the topic?
And/or perhaps pederasty is common in Jamaica.
>>469127
Speaking as a Jamaican American, some of it has to do with the fact that Jamaica is very religious, and takes the whole "kill gays" thing very seriously. I used to have a gay uncle before I was born, but my grandfather beat the shit out of him and disowned him. He apparently killed himself in New York.
>>469248
>Well, there is a lot of gay Jamaican porn, so I wouldn't be surprised.
And do you know this?
>>469255
>And do you know this?
They just said so.
>>469211
>everything I do is cold, calculated, and logical
Sure it is buddy
>>469127
>trying to impose your western values on a PoC culture
Fuck off. They are free to take their culture in any direction they choose. Wasn't enslaving them and sending them to the New World to pick sugar enough you fucks?
>>469265
shit bait
>>469267
I am not white. Any word against me from one of you fucking leftist crackers can be considered a microaggression against a Person of Color. Think carefully before you post. Dirty, fucking Ameripig
It's a shame Jamaica is such a violent shithole. An English speaking tropical island with great food and an interesting (if overplayed) popular culture should be a tourist mecca, but instead they compete in the commodity walled-off-resort where their language and culture is no advantage.
>>469274
What's even sadder is that most tourists that go there just stay cooped up in a resort, not knowing a thing about the beautiful culture they're visiting.
>>469258
When I tried looking up Jamaican stuff on xvideos, I got a lot of gay shit with it.
What are you implying anon?
>>469272
Get back to the cane fields.
>>469272
I sure hope you're white.
>actually calling yourself a colored person
>implying that's not racist
>>469303
>taking the b8
>>469274
There is some actually great stuff in Jamaica, but unless you're of Jamaican descent you can't see some of it. Now, if you want to see Jamaica done right, go to the Bahamas or Barbados.
>>469303
Colored Person =/= Person of Color. I should not have to explain this to you. Go and educated yourself, shitlord
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bimadewunmi/coloured-is-not-the-same-as-people-of-colour#.lwoyanJ1R
>>469127
>Is it wrong to enjoy work featuring homophobic and misogynistic lyrics while advocating feminism and LGBT+ rights? ( I wouldn't spend a dollar on it though. )
it's christian
>convert a group of people to Christianity
>suddenly decide to be friendly to gay people literally less than 20 years ago
>I JUST DONT GET IT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE, WHY ARE THEY SO HOMOPHOBIC??
>>469127
It came from European colonialism, homophobia is a result of anti-buggery laws and the persecution of gender and sexually variant people.
I recommend reading Boy Wives and Female Husbands to better understand same sex attraction in Africa.
>>469325
I never converted any Jamaicans to Christianity ( at least knowingly ) and I did not have the mental capacity to have opinions on LGBT rights 20 years ago.
Just because something has been bad for a while doesn't mean it is not changeable.
p.s your post is slightly incoherent
>Jamaican family.
>Lived in Jamaica for a bit.
>Completely unable to address the OPs question.
This sucks.
All I know is that we inherited Britain's buggery laws as a colony. I can't really speak to how virulently anti-gay the country is. It's way more extreme than even the music makes it seem, and it honestly doesn't make much sense to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmu7SvFTbnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AyRwOqTp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILXVpFQVEbw
>Enjoy this pretty Jamaican crytptid
>>469344
I witnessed a gay Jamaican getting chopped with a machete a few years ago when my family moved back.
>>469127
Blacks hate gays and women. Christianity hates gays. Combine the two with drugs and cult worship of a king on another continent (i.e. retardism) and you get Rastafarianism.
Love me some first wave ska though.
>>469346
The most I've ever seen was my cousins chasing a cross-dresser down the street throwing garbage and stones.
>>469127
religion and fear of sexual advances made by men are probably major factors
maybe also reaction formation by repressed homosexuals and disdain for anal sex and getting poop on their dick
>>469351
Also there's nothing wrong with enjoying whatever you enjoy no matter what it's message is. That's the problems with lefties: they don't allow themselves to enjoy anything.
>>469343
>I never converted any Jamaicans to Christianity ( at least knowingly ) and I did not have the mental capacity to have opinions on LGBT rights 20 years ago.
no one says you personally do it you stupid faggot.
>>469357
>>I JUST DONT GET IT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE, WHY ARE THEY SO HOMOPHOBIC??
seems at least a little personal
>>469351
Rastafari ('Rastafarianism' isn't a proper term) isn't a mainstream religion on the island. Jamaica is mostly comprised of Christian Protestants.
faggots are annoying and people hate them
what more do you want?
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>>469343
>I never converted any Jamaicans to Christianity ( at least knowingly ) and I did not have the mental capacity to have opinions on LGBT rights 20 years ago.
Okay? I didnt say you personally do that, it's supposed to mock the people that say things like that.
>Just because something has been bad for a while doesn't mean it is not changeable.
I'm aware of this.
>p.s your post is slightly incoherent
probably because i quoted the wrong thing. Here's what I meant to quote
>What caused the rampant homophobia and misogyny so prevalent in Jamaican culture
>>469364
>Christian Protestants.
found the problem
>>469351
>cult worship of a king on another continent
One who looked nothing like most Jamaicans, except maybe the Syrian ones. Well, besides the hair anyway.
>>469364
rastafari for most is syncretic, it merges christianity with itself
the stat. significantly increases if you count people who syncretize protestantism and rastafari
also it can be rastafarianism but it's improper
>>469351
>>469378
Being cool as fuck knows know skin color or barriers.
Fucking commies.
>>469396
>knows know
>>469343
The arrogance and feigned ignorance of the Western liberal is here for all to see.
>fuck others up
>deny all knowledge
Fuck off.
>>469400
>>>fuck others up
>>deny all knowledge
When did I do this?
>>469403
i hope you know 'But I didn't PERSONALLY do that' is not an argument.
There's a bitter undercurrent of loathing in this thread, something to do with 'muh librels' and 'muh conservative blacks' and not enough answering of the OP's questions.
>>469398
>mfw a commie corrects my grammar.
It was not the CURRENT YEAR. It was the CURRENT YEAR - 20.
>>469127
>tfw Buju got locked up trying to smuggle cocaine
>>469430
>mfw one of the pieces of evidence in the trial was a guy in his crew bragging about killing my uncle.
I hope they're all getting dicked to pieces in prison, but they're probably living it up in there.
>>469169
Pre colonial or post colonial because the introduction of Christianity and Islam which was earlier had a big impact.
>>469488
I'm looking into it. Here's some Jamaican memes in the meantime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgR_c2zr2O0
>>469503
Like not saying it was LGBT friendly but like man the social brainwashing and upheaval was pretty drastic.
>>469504
i can only understand like 2 words but still leled
>>469521
Yeah who knew slavery could change a people?
>>469286
>tfw you will never join the annual "Chase the Gays aways" event
I guess harassing women in burka and Durkas-Durkas back in Tunisia will do.
>>469568
I was talking about Africa.
>>469595
....who knew what imperialism, colonialism and forced labor do to a people.
>>469274
>>469575
I have such a hard time explaining Jamaica to people. Like, it's a shithole, but it's a pleasant shithole. The people there are unbelievably friendly and nice, but as soon as they hear "gay", they're like werewolves under a full moon. The criminal are the same, super friendly until you're in their way. You can see how much they appreciate life in their day-to-day lives, but they turn around and dehumanize people so easily...
I love the country enough that I almost want to go on a DESIGNATED SHITTING STREETS rant, but I can't deny it's problems. It's at least getting better across the board socially, though.
>>469622
For a people who smoke a lot of weed, they can turn friendly and welcoming to violent really fast.
Speaking of, every single time I go to Jamaica to visit family, I get offered weed by at least three Indians.
It stems from Jamaica being a "Christian nation."
>>469127
>Is it wrong to enjoy work featuring homophobic and misogynistic lyrics while advocating feminism and LGBT+ rights? ( I wouldn't spend a dollar on it though. )
Of course not. There are people who listen to black metal but they aren't satanists, people who listen to heavily Five Percenter/Nation of Islam influenced hip hop but aren't either of those groups.
>>469211
looks like we got a closeted faggot here
>>469127
>while advocating feminism and LGBT+ rights
I think facebook and tumblr would be a better place to ask.
>>471334
"Are you a paedophile or support paedophilia?"
--you
>>469127
The Jews want the blacks to impregnate as many women as possible, and create coloureds and mixed-race mongrels to combat the Aryan, so they support that by encouraging anti-homo propaganda in non-white countries.
>ooga booga kill dya hyomosexuals mon
>ehehehe here is your record deal goy
>>469127
Define homophobia and misogyny.
I am neither afraid of homosexuals nor do I hate women, but homosexuality is immoral and women are creatures of the home and child.
>>471534
Do you try to force these ideas on others who disagree?
>>469127
>feminism and LBGT+
What in the fucking fuck is this bullshit. Are we just taking on a plus because we much be in total acceptance of everything and everyone otherwise you're a shitlord etc. etc.?
Also
>Women
>rights
>fags
>rights
>Man
>rights
Ha.
>>471550
asexuals, genderqueer, etc.
Otherkin and shit like that is horrible
>>471543
Do I force? What is force? Tying them down and yelling at them?
Getting them fired from their job if they don't agree?
Socially and economically terrorizing them to no end with a crusade of "justice" againts "prejudice"?
No. I don't, but I also won't censure myself or not promote natural social coercion into those positions.
The "left" on the other hand WILL force me to swallow their totalitarian ideology of "tolerance" like some kind of mental sadomasicism, by means I mentioned in the former portion of my post.
>>471558
None of those exist.
If there is a plus, then it must include all, including pedophiles, zoophiles, and so on.
You cannot just draw the arbitrary line and say "that's stupid" without reason.
The most common reason is
>WHY DO YOU CARE?
>IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!
>IT'S "LOVE", WHY DO YOU HATE LOVE?
>BUT I HAVE MY RIIIIGGGGHHTTS
And so on.
You either refuse them all or accept them all.
Pick one.
>>471566
I mean do you think it should be illegal for women to work or gays to be together, or legal for transgender people to be evicted from there homes just for being transgender (this happens in the US still)
>>471578
>None of those exist.
So what are they then? Ghosts?
>If there is a plus, then it must include all
If you like chocolate ice cream and some other kinds, it does not mean you only eat ice cream and love all kinds of ice cream, including cockroach, human, and pubic hair flavours.
>>471605
Homosexuals should be institutionalized and remediated to capacity. There are many companies that do this today with thousands of succesful conversions. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.
Women should be socially coerced into homely positions, they love to follow social trends and directions so it will just take a change in the education system to do this. Women can work as needed, but it shouldn't be promoted as it over saturates the market. Second wave "worker women" feminism was spawned by big money who figured out they could tax each household double.
>transgender people get evicted
Well first off, transgender people shouldn't ever be recognized nor supported. It goes againts every biological notion and function, and there is hardly any evidence to support it. It is a mental illness. Don't cite the APA or I will ravage your ass hole. The rise of transgenderism has reached biblical doomsday proportions. It is a product of wealth and leasiure, and ruinous totalitarian ideology of tolerance.
They probably got evicted for a reason, and if not its because the landlord doesn't want a psyco on his property who is pumping themselves full of hormones.
>So what are they, ghosts?
Mentally ill, and need to be institutionalized and remediated.
>some shitty metaphore trying to rationalize your inconsistencies
It doesn't work that way, I don't like any flavor of ice-cream other than vanilla, so do the absolute majority of people in this world. Some people do however "like" (that is think they like) cockroach flavored ice-cream.
Would you not classify a man eating pubic hair ice-cream as mentally ill?
>>471633
>transgender people shouldn't ever be recognized nor supported. It goes againts every biological notion and function, and there is hardly any evidence to support it. It is a mental illness
Transgenderism is a mental illness, like depression or anxiety. It doesn't mean it is wrong.
>Well first off, transgender people shouldn't ever be recognized nor supported
should've used a different example...
It happens to gays and bisexuals too, who just want to live.
>>some shitty metaphore trying to rationalize your inconsistencies
>pretending to not understand things because you disagree
The point is that just because some things are good, not ALL things in the same vein are good.
>Would you not classify a man eating pubic hair ice-cream as mentally ill?
ofc
>>471652
The treatment is wrong.
You remediate anxiety and depression with medication and therepy. Not continuing their depression.
You shouldn't be giving them hormones that support their mental delusions.
>it happens to gays and bisexuals
It is the landlords private property, he is to have freedom of association. If he doesn't want homosexuals and other sexual deviants living in his property, he should not be forced to accept them.
>the point is some things are good
How do you define them good or bad? Homosexuality is one of the biggest risk factors in our society today. It correlates with increase drug abuse, increased sexual activity, increased chance of contracting a sexual disease, increase alcohol consumption. It's a huge detriment to your health.
There are homosexuals who SEEK to contract HIV.
I would say that that ice-cream tastes like shit. Literal shit.
Who are you to say what flavor is what?
I'm just playing along with your loony metaphore. Stop whenever you wish.
I can tell you when homosexuality and whatnot develops if you wish.
>>471558
>asexuals
this is a meme
>genderqueer
:^)
>>471669
correlation and causation friendero, also if it does not directly affect you why do you want to stop people pursuing a lifestyle which they may enjoy? I'm a bisexual male and I form perfectly healthy relationships with both men and women, sexual ones and platonic ones. I do recreationally take drugs and I also drink but simply because sometimes that is what I want to do, how can you say that the left and its tolerance is totalitarian when you want to stop people from choosing for themselves? However don't strawman this as me saying you should shut up, you should be encouraged to hold whatever belief you see fit and that aligns with your world view as long as its not directly harming anyone else. I think you should just consider the point of view you are touting as just as totalitarian as those SJW's
>>469172
What about Thailand?
>>469356
you live in a strange reality
>>469127
Jamaica is old school, fire and brimstone, "da battyboys is gwan ta hell" christian, of the sort that you still find here and there in the west, mostly in norn iron.
Chritianity is a means to achieve respectability, pray for miracles and plug in to power networks in the more poverty beset countries. It also provides a philosophy for this life and hope for the next. Look at the mega churches in Nigeria and the rest of west Africa.
Prosperous societies tend not to need these things as other avenues to respectability open up, and the need for an overarching philosophy dwindles in necessity or other philosophies become available.
>>472431
>it doesn't affect you
But it does, people have friends, family, God forbid children that commit and delude themselves to these lifestyles.
Your useage of personal anecdote doesn't negate anything I said.
Also
>Muh correlation isn't causation
That only works with a weak g factor, faggot. These are most definatly causative and have a high correlation.
My wold view doesn't directly harm anyone else, it stops them from harming themselves.
>>472431
>supports the ominous drug trade by using them recreationally
>I'M NOT HURTING ANYONE ELSE
Your self is a "someone else".
>>471633
Biggotry is probably has worse effects tbqh
>>476076
This, drinking water always leads to death so stop doing it
>>469127
Rastafarianism is old school OT shit. They have much more in common with American fundamentalists than they do with liberals. Hell, their whole religion is founded in racial indentitarianism.
The only reason anyone other than the extreme right associates with them is because of "muh weed", which is retarded because even Neo-Nazis smoke weed.
>>469354
It's kind of mind-blowing that there would even be public cross dressers in such a virulently homophobic culture. Wouldn't there be a high probability of serious injury or death literally every time you did it in a populated area?
>>471633
Why does a mentally ill person "need" to be rehabilitated? Assuming they pose no danger to themselves and others, of course.
>>476089
fine then, legalise recreational drugs or allow me to produce them myself for me to take on a recreational basis
>>476076
explain how it stops people from harming themselves, surely repression and being told constantly that you have something wrong with you is going to cause a whole plethora of issues regarding mental health and substance abuse, henceforth we should teach children of all ages to be confident in themselves regardless of their sexual inclination and encourage healthy relationships with their friends, families and later their lovers. Is that such a bad idea?
>>476600
I am fully informed, I am not a "bigot".
You are, you are a bigot in the terms of spelling.
>>476622
Reduction of risk, you'd have a greater risk of dying without drinking water.
>>476804
Themselves is still a person. How selfish are you.
Also, they become total economic burdens, rather than temporary ones. If I could I would use a final solution.
>>476807
You're still hurting yourself.
Those secondary issues don't pose significant risk to your actual health. Especially since they can be remediated.
Yes, it is a bad idea. Because relationships, especially that of sexual deviance (10% of homosexuals have had sex with over a thousand men. That's fucking mad.) lead to self harming behavior.
Actually that relationship is self harming anyway, especially harmful if you have children
