The Peloponnesian War.
Was it the first war fought for no good reason at all?
There was good reason.
>>458900
Athena was too strong and Sparta was afraid? That's a good one, yeah.
>>458918
Yes it is.
>>458928
Let's look at the outcome:
Both side lay in ruins.
Democracy is lost.
Ionia returns to the Persians.
Lost opportunity of Greek unity
Greece would never be relevant in world history again.
Wow.
>>458942
Intents =/= results
Not that I disagree with you. It was hegemonic dick waving all the way.
>>458942
I never said the results were good.
>>458942
So Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Alexander, Euclid, etcetera are all irrelevant?
>>458962
Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle proliferated on the peace and prosperity BEFORE the war in question.
>>458962
Alexander was a cool guy but he was from Macedon, a bit far away in time and space from the war
>>458987
"Macedonians literally aren't Greeks."
-Ancient Greeks
I think I'll take their word for it.
>>458993
Great source my man.
http://www.cc.ece.ntua.gr/~conster/English/PageData/anc_historiographers.htm
But anyway, it's still wrong to say that Aristotle proliferated before the War started, when he hadn't even been bloody born yet.
>>458987
It was irrelevant until out of nowhere came Alexander and saved the shit.
That said, things could have been better if the war didn't happen.
>>459019
Irrelevant in what eay? Are you only counting war and conquest as relevant? Is philosophy not important in history?
>>459024
Well. Socrates, not even the father of philosophy, started doing his thing while the war was going.
I doubt Athens could have started it all from scratch after the war.
>>459033
Greece was still not irrelevant. Plato and Aristotle's systems laid the foundations for Philosophy and Science for years after, hardly irrelevant.
>>459044
Ok, I guess it was not totally irrelevant. But it still laid in ruins after the war, not a nice outcome.
Sparta should have been all like "It all cool Athens, we brothers, we kicked ass in the last war, good times"
>>459073
>Sparta should have been all
spartans were literally on an ideological opposite in terms of how people should be governed to athens
that would never happen
>>459321
let's say that you are USA and China grows too powerful.
Would it be Ok to go to war for that reason alone?
>Was it the first war fought for no good reason at all?
Lol. Xerxes' pride = source of greek war.
>>459332
Source of Persian war, sorry.
>>459332
good point
>>458942
>Greece would never be relevant in world history again.
I didn't know one thousand years of the Greek ERE buffering Europe from the Muslims is irrelevant.
