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Is there any evidence whatsoever to support the theory that Jesus Christ was in fact a Buddhist or became a Buddhist during an exile to the Far East?
Sometimes I like to make myself believe this is true because it explains why so much of his teachings align with that of Buddhist teachings.
I suppose it could just be Christianity just ripping off the concepts of another religion though.
pretty sure he was jewish senpai
It's not that Jesus ripped off Buddhism but that the truth is the same whether you're Christian or Buddhist. Present moment mindfulness, the ephemeral nature of reality, the futility of worldly ambition - these are universal truths that are not confined to certain geographical areas or time periods
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>>44464
And if I'm not mistaken Liberalism also preaches such messages and values.
I constantly have fantasies about being the first person to witness the second comming of Christ to where he heals me and turns me into a female. From that point forward, I live to serve him the best of my abilities as a Christian woman. He assigns me a new name since I owe it to him.
>>44464
>the truth is the same whether you're Christian or Buddhist.
Shit tier meme beliefs
Christians believe Jesus Christ is God and the only way to reconcile ourselves to Him is by accepting His sacrifice and submitting to Him as Lord, and allowing His Holy Spirit to conform us to His standard of Holiness.
Where does Buddhism (or any religion) teach this?
I kind of want to become a Buddhist monk or nun, but the problems are that I have become addicted to modern technology such as the Internet and I'm a defective human being (tranny mtf).
>>44702
>I'm a defective human being
We were all born defective, but Christ has given us the chance to be born again.
>>44327
There's not really any evidence that Jesus was a Buddhist, and claims of evidence that he traveled to India are outright bullshit. But given that Greek thought had some buddhist influences via both conquests in India and missionaries and that Jewish thought at that time was heavily influenced by Greek thought there may be some tenuous connection there. It's pretty much impossible to prove though, and there's no evidence of any major influence.
He is in Hindu texts as well
>>44810
No He isn't
>>44327
Do you see any similarity between the two? Because I don't. Maybe in method, but not in doctrine.
>>44327
He was actually just ripping off Stoicism and shoehorning it into Jewish mythology.
Jesus' way of life mirrors Buddha somewhat, but it's much more likely that he was influenced by the Greek cynics than any East Asian religion.
>>44928
People with only surface level understanding of religion dumb it all down to "they all teach not to be a shitty person, so they all must be the same!" without realizing the importance of religions means of not being a shitty person. Christianity specifically teaches that we can only do it through Christ.
It wouldn't make any sense, since Jesus was a radical Jewish preacher. His entire message was based around Judaism, and how to clean it up. Christianity and Buddhism also don't align very well. Maybe in some very general ways, but lots of other religions would share those similarities as well; at their core, they're very different religions.
They are framed similarly, however, and that's because they were both reactionary religions. Christianity was founded as a reaction to Roman role and unhappiness with the state of Judaism at the time. Jesus spends a lot of time criticizing and framing the "right way" in terms of opposition. Buddhism was started as a reaction to Hinduism and Jainism, and Siddartha similarly frames a lot of his teachings as critiques.
>>44928
>Maybe in method, but not in doctrine.
ON THE CONTRARY; BUDDHISM, AND CHRISTIANITY, ARE SIMILAR IN DOCTRINE, BUT DISSIMILAR IN METHODOLOGY.
>>45022
>>44983
Mixing Greek thought into the local religion was all the rage in Iudaea.
>>44464
that is a very nice view and one that I share, but given that the vast majority of Christians don't agree I think that you are barking up the wrong tree
on a related topic you should read pic related, its central theme is the unifying factors between all world religions
>>44850
There is plenty of Jesus outside the Bible especially Hindu texts like srimad bhagavatam I believe and also bhavishya puruna
All religion is from the same area pretty much, if you ever notice how Brahma and Saraswati sound like Abraham and Sara is not just a coincidence, or the phonetic Christ and Krsna sound as well..
>>45054
>Christianity was founded as a reaction to Roman role and unhappiness with the state of Judaism at the time. Jesus spends a lot of time criticizing and framing the "right way" in terms of opposition.
He did? All I remember is the "render unto Caesar" bit, but other than that He mainly focused on schooling the pharisees, unless I'm forgetting something? I don't remember Him ever speaking on how to oppose justly at all.
>>45087
Kekt
>>45118
>forgot pic
>>45150
All of those sources are either fake or drastically stretched.
Post one, go ahead.
>the phonetic Christ and Krsna sound as well..
dumb
>>44327
Are not we all buddhas to a degree? Any wise statement is essentially credited towards a "buddhist" way of life.
>>45185
Why are they fake because you don't believe in them?
>>44626
Amida Buddhism has similar although not exact beliefs in regards to all of humanity being saved through the grace of Amitabha who will lead his followers to the "Pure Land"
He is also the Buddha of love. Sounds pretty similar to Christianity.
>>45295
Because the theologian community would have acknowledged it by now
>>45323
>He is also the Buddha of love. Sounds pretty similar to Christianity.
Except that Buddha probably didn't even exist.
>>45159
>He did?
Yes. A lot of the values that Jesus talks about are in direct opposition to Roman values. The weak being powerful, the sick having value, not judging people, and the other sermon on the mount-type things he talks about all subvert Roman values pretty heavily. His main problem was with the Pharisees, because they were closer, but it's obvious he didn't like Roman occupation, either.
>>44327
Graeco-Buddhism was well established by 300 BCE and flourished until c. 10 CE. Its influence has been mostly eastward but Seneca the Younger, a Roman contemporary of Jesus the Christ's time from modern day Spain, mentions silk road exchanges between the Kushan Empire and the Roman. Establishing direct relation is impossible, but there's no reason to assume that second-/third-hand influence didn't happen. Judeans and Romans were both into mystery and foreign cults and religions, and Jesus could have easily either traveled to the East or have been introduced to foreign moralist concepts, only to then integrate them into the Second Temple Judean religion.
>>45400
>The weak being powerful, the sick having value, not judging people, and the other sermon on the mount-type things he talks about all subvert Roman values pretty heavily.
Those, in no way, imply that He's referring specifically to Roman values. He's simply speaking on how God chooses to bless the rejected, rather than the powerful. He even healed a centurion's child, and commended him for his great faith.
>>44590
that's because liberalism is christianity without christ bud
>>45479
Moreover, Jesus was not afraid to specifically call out groups if He felt the desire, as He did constantly to the pharisees, scribes, tax collectors etc
>>45387
But is it really any more "probable" that jesus existed?
>>45339
Not really. Hindu texts are older and more reliable talking about Oneness with God once you open up to it's teaching, despite the many who praise idols, Hinduism holds the essential philosophy about the Soul, the One Highest God (which is the same in all religions, to an extent) and how to get there (yoga, the real one not this class you go to to meet people and stretch)
Jesus even mentions the third eye and yoga in Matthew if you look at it in a proper context. "Stay close to my yoke" the root word in Sanskrit is yuj, or yoke, and is the root for the word Yoga.
Matthew 6:22 Jesus mentions the treasure of the eye, not the two eyes(physical) the eye(spiritual, thrid eye)
He was heavily devoted to God and bringing this knowledge to the area of Jeruselem because the souls were hevaily conditioned at the time, hence why Jesus starts off in the Bible as around 30, so obviously He was somewhere else if they didn't record Him being in Jerusalem or wherever.
>>45577
Yes. The great majority of historians accept that Jesus existed.
>>45479
He was living in a Roman world, and those values were pretty inherent to the Roman culture everyone was exposed to. What do you think he was doing? His values are basically phrased as "the Romans don't value you because of X, but I do, so listen to me."
>>45578
Okay, instead of seeping through all of your bullshit, I ask one thing
Show me ONE reputable scholar that backs you up.
This is seriously David Icke tier bullshit
>>44590
I want to respond with "maximum kek" because your post is funny, but im not sure if that violates the serious spirit of this board yet.
>>45541
And the gospels weren't written by him. They were written by people who were actively selling their religion to Roman citizens. Do you think they'd have Jesus directly come out and say "Fuck the Romans?"
Too bad Christianity was hijacked into faith without works and condemn your neighbour.
Jesus taught gold, and the world made it shit.
Jesus wanted is to love, and many "christians" are intolerant and I am also guilty of the same. All people are free to to good or bad and recieve according to their works is a tenet in every "religion", and teachings of Christ and Buddha can be (not always) easily defiled by basing it on structure
>>45601
Whatever, I still dont see it mattering when your comparing the ideological similarities of both figures.
>>44327
Pure BS.
Pretty much every religion tries to claim Jesus desu.
Muslims claim him, Buddhists claim him, Zoroastrians claim him, Manichaeans claim him.
But they all alter or outright deny the things he did or the things he taught. They say "Oh well the Christians changed it". Well if all we know, we got from the Christians, then what the hell do we know? How can you claim that he's a holy man when you conveniently change the very core of what he said to a completely different teaching and paradigm.
>>45577
Jesus, or a figure who inspired him, is generally thought to have existed, non-religious accounts of his life are pretty sparse though and it's hard to say how much he resembled the mythical Jesus seen in the gospels.
>>45641
That wasn't good enough for you?
Hindus talk about Brahman (which is God, the oneness thereof) and how to get there. Jesus taught people how to get to God, however in a place that obviously did not want Him to because He claimed to be God as well, though many gospels are just perspectives of what people seen Jesus as and most are credible definately.
It is a pretty valid hypothesis, because it makes sense why this stuff would be hiding from a collective mass of people, especially by thr Carholic Church but this is why there is violence because of difference in opinion causing wars which is not of God but of misbehaved men.
>>45387
Which Buddha didn't exist?
>>45662
>Do you think they'd have Jesus directly come out and say "Fuck the Romans?"
Well Paul essentially came out and said "fuck your gods". Not to mention Peter telling the Jews "you fools killed the messiah". I don't think they were too concerned with offending anyone.
Also, its very naive to say the apostles were "selling" their religion. This implies they were doing it for some sort of gain, but all they actually had to gain was torture and death
>>45695
It matters because Jesus specifically said that He alone is the way to God. If what He said is true, then its of the utmost importance to discern whether His claim has more validity than this nonexistent Buddha.
>>45759
>You can be a non-shitty person without Christ in your life. Buddhists do that everyday.
Well you have a different definition of "non-shitty" than the Creator of the universe. He demands perfection, because He is perfect.
>>45717
And if the figure that did exist is so different, then I would argue that it counts that the colloquial jesus didn't exist. Horses exist, but whatever conceptual deviation resulted in unicorns doesn't make unicorns real.
>>45706
The Christians probably changed much of what Jesus the Jew taught too.
>>44626
Regardless of their respective metaphysics the behavior of a saint and Bodhisattva are p much identical so either way, a life aligned with the divine/truth/the sharks, whatever is the same across all times and cultures
>>45815
But him existing or not existing doesn't change that the supposed messages of both figures were similar.
>>45815
>Well you have a different definition of "non-shitty" than the Creator of the universe. He demands perfection, because He is perfect.
Nobody is made perfect, you mora. Your autism is fueling your narcissism again.
>>45862
The dharma*
>>45850
>Jesus the Jew
I love this meme as much as the next person, but you and I both know it's bullshit.
The word Jew in the Bible is used to refer to Israelites, who weren't Jews in the same sense they are today. The Jews of today are heretics that appropriated heathen beliefs from Babylon and denied their messiah. They have a holy book called the Talmud that supercedes the Torah, and holy traditions that also supercede the Torah. The Pharisees are the precursors to the jews of today, and they were the very people that Jesus denounced.
>>45850
A whole group of people took over Jesus and His teaching which is in not only 4 easily available texts in the Bible, but in many places outside the Bible, however the constitution of organized religion has made Jesus into a white guy who only like Catholics and burns people in hellfire for whatever reason. "If you don't believe what I believe you should be slaughtered by the masses" is not what Jesus taught whatsoever and the fact people did that is true that we are literally are living in an age of irreligion
>>44327
No.
But apparently there were Buddhist missionaries in the Hellenistic world, so a Buddhist inspiration may not be as far fetched.
Still don't think they had much to do with each other though.
>>45689
Depressing but true. Paul in particular made up some shit that haunts us to this day.
>>44327
>>46059
Which ones?
>>45971
Christianity doesn't preach reincarnation.
>>46095
Reincarnation is essentialy being born a bunch of times until one fully finds God, and doesn't have to return to the material world we live in, just because a typical Christian doesn't preach it doesn't mean that Jesus did not believe in reincarnation or that it is not real
>>46079
The role of women in the church comes to mind; Jesus was very respectful of them (Mary Magdalene, the Samarian woman at the well, not throwing the first stone at an adultress) but Paul came along and wrote lots of 'submit to your husband' stuff and forbade them to teach the Bible - not surprising, since he started out as a Pharisee himself.
>>46095
>Christianity doesn't preach reincarnation.
No shit
>>46095
Gotta mention though that there wasn't a clear cut form of christianity apparently until held congress about what to include into the offical canon. Reincarnation was part of the christian hemisphere of believes until that. Not mainstream maybe but it was there.
>>46205
>Paul came along and wrote lots of 'submit to your husband' stuff and forbade them to teach the Bible
This is in the OT as well. Peter also wrote on wives submission to their husbands in in his first epistle.
>>46205
Blessed are the women who become men
This is a spiritual meaning of how women do have a sense of being inferior when ot comes to submission, most feel the need for a man, have flip out moments that create all sorts of problems, yet are our mothers and also a source of comfort.
Man, heavily patriarchs control in ways that benefit one into finding structure or control others with domination.
There is no male.
There is no female.
>>45971
>Well Siddhartha probably didn't exist.
Positions on Siddhartha's historicity are pretty similar to those on Jesus. His existence, general era, and the broad strokes of his life are generally thought to be known but the specifics of his teachings compared to the teachings attributed to him by his religion and the specific events of his life are unknown and probably unknowable.
>>44327
Not really. The principles of Buddhism are fundamentally different from those of any of the Abrahamic religions. While superficially similarities might exist, there's no reason to believe that Christ was drawing inspiration from Buddhism. He was explicitly drawing upon Talmudic tradition. Later reformers of the movement who did adopt elements from other religions, but generally from those prominent in the region, not distant traditions like Buddhism.
The best way to think of Christianity is a de-tribalization of Judaism. Separating the religion from the ethnic Jews to anyone who wants to convert made Christianity a viable missionary religion, and also made it very appealing to rulers who wanted a unifying religious tradition that was not specifically tied to any one ethnic group.
Islam was a different experiment, in that it was not de-tribalized, and was fundamentally an Arabic religion until the Turks essentially co-opted it. The two religions are excellent examples of the power of ideological identity, albeit in different ways. In China today, Christianity is the fastest growing religion, whereas Islam has stagnated--this is because the Chinese feel no affinity towards Arabic culture, having their own storied history. Christianity on the other hand is culture-neutral, and so can find purchase even in a country like China.
>>46294
Did Jesus really care that much about the old testament?
>>46411
Jesus quoted the old testament many times, and even said he had come to fulfill its law.
So yes.
And btw, Jesus is God, which means he wrote the old testament.
>>46439
>yes
I don't know man. The god of the new testament and the god of the old testament are pretty different. I'm pretty sure Jesus was against stonings and so on.
>>46469
Jesus is not god nor the holy ghost.
>>46390
It is only buddhist because you give it a title, if it wasn't called buddhist it is called wisdom, and if it is wise it might as well be buddhist.
Christianty might not exactly be the same as Judaism because according the Gnostic traditions the material world is a prison created from a false god and many gnostics were the first Christians, but the Church claimed Gnosticism a heresy and then adopted the Judaism and made it one religion, and there is a huge distinction between the God of the OR and God of the NT, but is not in the Bible because the Church is most likely Antichrist to the degree that we don't get the liberation techniques but rely on rituals, and creates faith without works, as long as you believe you don't need to be a good person, just donate to the church "you're healed"
Anyone else see
>>46293
>Gotta mention though that there wasn't a clear cut form of christianity apparently until held congress about what to include into the offical canon.
The canonization process was gradual and never covered all of Christianity. Even today there are several major competing canons, and many minor ones.
There is no biblical canon covering the whole religion and there never has been.
>>46469
Jesus didn't write OT, the OT has also been hijacked, unfortunately this happened
>>46505
Very different
See ->>46617
>>46530
Because you lack faith that is a simple fact doesn't matter what "facts" you bring to the table the internet is a place of opinions and constant trolling and the most unreliable source for all information
>>46658
Sure sure. There's a canon for catholicism though and the church was mostly unified for most of it's history. At least in western europe. Orthodox christianity has it's unique canon too.
>>46730
>Because you lack faith that is a simple fact doesn't matter what "facts" you bring to the table the internet is a place of opinions and constant trolling and the most unreliable source for all information
Jesus is not god. There's a thing called holy trinity you know?
>>46505
>The god of the new testament and the god of the old testament are pretty different.
No they aren't
>>46778
You don't need to give defintion to God, even in the trinity, it is just a small way to explain something that in the material plane is not able to even begin properly the inability to fathom God through words alone
>>46852
According to Gnostic tradition they are different, it is very important to take note of.
There are many Creation stories, especially the Sumerian (being the oldest) that describe beings making men, and if you look into it God is not these creator "gods" but yet they are inside Hin as we all are inside God. So they say (;
>>46889
This is just your personal fan fiction. I didn't make the rules of christianity. You literally find nobody besides some offshoot sect that will say Jesus was god. He might have been an aspect of god, but not god himself. A limb isn't you either.
>>46957
Gnostic tradition has nothing to do with Jesus. It was made over a hundred years after Christ died, and offered "secret wisdom" to appeal to Greeks who still valued philosophy over truth.
>>46999
"I am not a divider am I?"
Many people look at their guru as God due to the guru's wisdom which is not uncommon
God is within us, and on the outside of us, and above us. What makes you think this is personal fan fiction? There is no difference between what you and I have to say
>>47017
Depending the "gnostic" tradition but much of it was before Jesus, when people knew the "creator god" was not the real transcendental God.
However God plays an active role in both these, being the real breath of life.
This whole "God of Abraham" thing should br "God of Jesus" if you are not a Jew, all religion is an attempt of finding the One God, even though the lore behind many religions can have its historical faults to certain extents and differences in opinion or statements cause tension.
>>47064
Yes there is a difference. You say Jesus is god and I say he isn't. At least as far christianity is concerned.
>>47203
Usually when I hear God used by itself with no qualifiers it refers to the entire trinity, with God the Father being used when referring to the specific person that is neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit.
God in three persons.
>>47203
Trying to definr things that don't need defintion. "Son of God" or "One being with the father" and you are all "sons of God" and "should unite with the Father"
Jesus was the perfect Son, the rest of us fall short, however we also have to at least attempt to understand His way to "heaven" which is pretty much all this is saying. We are "gods" of our own reality so to speak, but One God is forever holding all things in balance with total indifference.
>>47270
Yes, they are aspects of god.
>>47270
It is all the same. God is Jesus on Earth and God is the Holy Spirit, right from wrong. Jesus is The Holy Spirit, a soul telling us to unite with God, Jesus is the Father, for He was before all beings with the Father in the real beginning, God's plan for when the Earth gets corrupted and needs resolve. The Holy Spirit is God, for if the spirit of God is not holy it is not God and the Holy Spirit is Jesus, the Jesus who is very much alive today in many beings
>>44327
Due to his years lived in Egypt, probably Alexandria, he is probably more likely to be a neo-platonist.
>>47391
Is that your headcanon or somebody actually say that?
Jesus is both God and human. To deny Jesus as God would to be to deny the nature of his sacrifice; Jesus cannot forgive the totality of our sins if he is not divine. His sacrifice would ultimately fall short, like our sacrifices, if he were human. To deny Jesus as human would to deny the meaning of his sacrifice; if he is divine, his suffering is ultimately futile and meaningless, as he has sacrificed nothing if the pain isn't real.
Theology & Philosophy should just go back to /lit/.
>>47513
If he was god there would be no sacrifice. That's the point.
>>47488
Maybe I forgot this is 4chan and people don't actually care about logical discussion rather they care about bad jokes which are anonymous and do not last. "Forget what this guy said" because I have a funny joke I need to say, and most people miss out on stuff that not only gets presented to them, but neglect the fact it was even in front of them.
You could get off the internet anon you have potential to go to real resources for answers
>>47534
According to what you have to say sure, but it points out man would kill God because men are stupud and have no clue what the fuck is going on.
>>47488
It's mostly basic trinitarian doctrine, which is the position of most denominations today. It was a schismatic issue in the early church though.
>>47621
Hey man, I care about a logical discussion. But I believe the official stance of mainstream christianity is that Jesus is not god. Everything else is heresy. Quite literally.
>>47701
I'm willing to admit I'm wrong though if someone provides a somewhat offical source that says otherwise.
>>45759
>east asian philosophy
>buddhism as propagated by ashoka was east asian philosophy
gook pls.
>>47701
Heresy is also a definition, "if it isn't ours, it is damned"
Let it be, all things are as they are
>>47488
That's what the catholics believe senpai
>>47742
Nevermind I got my wires crossed apparently. Looks like the bible really does say Jesus is god.
Jesus is God.
God the Father is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
But there is only one God.
>fug thats dum makes no sence
I wouldn't expect the very nature of God's being to be fathomed by mortal creations.
>>47742
>someone give me source evidence
Implying people on 4chan are going to provide you with facts
Go to a library dude, the internet is a bad place to ask for shit like this, make up your own mind and be real to yourself
You are being very conditional not accepting something because somebody else hasn't done the work yet, many of you are, we have to ability to do this stuff ourselves, but many don't and expect someone else to do it to blame those who did not do it because it makes them feel less shameful
We are all guilty to some degree
>>47883
I didn't ask you to walk over water, I just asked for a source.
>>47701
No, the official stance of mainstream Christianity is trinitarianism. There is a single God who exists in three expressions. God the Father, the god of Abraham and the old testament. God the Son, who is Jesus Christ and whose sacrifice on the cross paid for the sins of the world. And the Holy Spirit.
This is summed up in the diagram here >>47676 and is also laid out in the Apostle's Creed, used in the liturgy of the Catholic Church and many Protestant Churches. This lays out the basic beliefs that many churches consider essential to being Christian.
I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy Catholick Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
>>47701
>mainstream christianity
What the fuck are you on about? There are different sects of christianity, and sects in those sects too. I'm assuming you were raised in a Protestant country, because this is common knowledge where I live
>>47913
Go find it even though it is in front of you
>>47928
Most protestants are trinitarian as well. Most likely he was raised without much religious influence at all.
>>47701
I dont know what mainstream youre looking at, but Jesus is clearly called God by the majority of Christian churches I know of.
>>44626
Idiot. You're only considering the small differences while completely ignoring the huge similarities.
>>44327
How can Jesus rip of Buddha if they're best friends?
>>47998
If he was god why didn't he just step down from the cross and punch the romans in the face? Why was he disappointed by Judas? Isn't god allknowing?
>>48077
Something about fulfilling the prophesy, dieing for our sins, and opening up the gates of heaven, or some shit.
>>47983
I'm sure there are sects with a decent number of followers that don't believe in it, as I think I've heard my protestant relatives talking how God isn't Jesus nor the Holy Spirit.
>>48114
>dieing for our sins
Does this mean god is dead or something?
>>48124
There are some, but there aren't very many. They're probably referring to the separate persons of the Godhead (God the Father vs Jesus vs the Holy Spirit) unless they're something unusual like Jehovah's Witnesses.
>>48067
How can Jobs rip off Woz if they're best friends?
>>48168
God killed himself and brought himself back to life. God died, but God is not dead.
>>45578
d-do you know know that the Bible is written in greek, not english? The greek word for yoke is zygós.
that bible quote (Matt 6:22) is also referring to the whole "if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out" theology He taught.
Christianity and Buddihism are fundmentally different. They are only alike on the most superficial and meaningless levels.
Buddhism is about erasing sufferings. It accomplishes this by severing the suffer from attachment and creating transcendence.
Christianity is about dealing with an imaginary concept called sin. It accomplishes this by having you worship Jesus to receive imaginary forgivness for your imagenary sin. In other words non of the concepts exist beyound your willingness to imagine they exist. The violent hatred for other faiths (pain promised to non-beleivers, long history of trying to destroy other faiths) also seems to be very unBuhidist.
There is however the idea that Jesus never intended his teachings to be something so trivial (and it's probably the historical truth). This is the idea that after he died his followers created new dogma to justify why their teacher was overcame by his enemies, they had to explain it was all part of an elborate plan. And they revenged themself against his executioners through the idea that those that disobeyed their teacher would suffer and those that obeyed would be rewarded.
If you take this path than Jesus's teachings seem to be a guide for the weak and powerless to feel special. Being oppressed, being poor, even having people mock you and your faith are all things he says make one blessed. The submissive nature of his teachings, turning the other cheek, and never dare speaking ill of Rome is a message to be content with the world and your misfortunes. In this regard it is not like Buddah.
It should be noted that Buddah (and other real philosophers) give detailed explanation for why their ideas will work out exactly the way they say and why such results of desirable. Jesus does no such thing, it's simply a list of commands to be obeyed.
Jesus is also only concerned with the poor or discriminated. He has a social message. While Buddah doesn't look at things in a social context at all.
>>48224
So there was supposed to be a time where there wasn't any god?
Saint Young Men a best.
>>48241
Yoga is essentialy the science of the mind and connection with God. There is a reason why it ended up as yoke in English. Jesus taught the way to the Father, simple stuff
>>48255
This might sound weird, but I consider buddhism a meta religion. Buddhism as a system is just a tool that has to be discarded once it filled it's purpose. I'm pretty sure buddhist don't deny the existence of gods, or one god, but they think even the gods suffer.
>>44464
>the futility of worldly ambition
send me all your money and then kill yourself. You got a PayPal?
>>48262
this
>>48258
Depends on who you ask. The exact theology of what happened when Jesus was dead varies. The Catholics believe he went to hell.
>>45087
Huh. Is there a religious group/sect in that area of Japan that believes this or has a church based around it?
>>48198
Nah, I remember they explicitly denying the Holy Trinity
>unless they're something unusual like Jehovah's Witnesses.
I believe that could be true in my relative's case. The city I live is majoritaly catholic, much like I am, people here just call them "believers" without much regard to what kind of sect of protestantism they are from.
>>44327
Are you talking about Zen, Mahayana, Theravada, Indian, Tibetan, or American Buddhism?
Likewise, are you talking about Catholicism, Coptic Christianity, Orthodox Greek/Russian, Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anglicanism, Baptism, Pentecostalism, or Chinese Christianity?
>>48411
Why would he go to hell? Seriously. For killing himself?
>>48305
yes, the reason was it was a common word in equivalence to the latin (translated from greek) word during the time the Bible was translated into (modern)english, in 1582 by french catholics (Douay–Rheims Bible), then copied over, word for word, into the protestant King James Bible in 1611.
>>48544
To free the hells, this is also a buddhist teaching
>>48544
Partly because the phrasing is archaic and means something more like the realm of the dead than specifically the realm of the damned in that context. There's also a whole thing about him freeing all the righteous souls who died before he came.
>>48544
to redeem all the souls that where righteous and whoever would follow Him.
St. John the Baptist also temporarily went to hell to prepare them for the coming of Christ, like he did on earth, even though Catholics, Orthodox, Coptics, and to some extant Anglicans and Lutherans believe him to be the model example of a man.
>>48642
So does this mean there isn't a hell anymore?
>>48544
He wasn't being punished in Hell. He was saving the righteous people who were unlucky enough to have died before him.
>>45323
So the thing about Pure Land is NOT that Amnitaba is GOD or the one person to believe in, just that Sidhartha's words are no longer relevant in OUR world but Amnitabe has his own world where his words toward enlightenment are still relevant and will lead you to enlightenment. He is NOT a god as you suggest.
>>47017
No, the gnosic tradition became distinct from Christianity about one hundred years after Jesus died. Before that they were largely part of the same Greek Christian movement. Early Christan practiced all sorts of mystic practices that would never fly in the Orthodox or Catholic Church today
>>48729
Why are you asking me?
Hell is a place for the wicked, those who earned serious karma for evil deeds. Perhaps Earth is hell, and we keep being reborn here as a punishment so suffer the physical life until we find God (not just reading the Bible, I mean really out there, beyond all preconceptions) and live free with Him and love all beings, even out enemies
That is my take
>>48819
If he went to hell to save their souls it wouldn't make any sense unless he was time travelling to a future hell that consists future generations. Otherwise he has to do it again every couple of hundred years.
>>48729
No, it means that all those who died before 33 A.D. got a chance to go to heaven. It helps erase that grey area of "what about those who where good people, but where born before the messiah could redeem them?" He redeemed everyone for eternity. In Orthodoxy, there is usually the bones of Adam under His Cross in the icons, as symbolism of the Crucifixion brings life into the world that Adam brought death into. Also we was crucified on the traditional burial ground of Adam in the jewish folklore, even jews admit that in the Talmud.
>>48815
>Early Christan practiced all sorts of mystic practices that would never fly in the Orthodox or Catholic Church today
There was a lot of that in various contemporary jewish sects as well.
>>44626
The Christian beliefs are not what Jesus had in mind. He did not want to be worshipped as a God, he recognized he was a God because God was within him and all other human beings.
Jesus would never have been Buddhist because he was a black and there is absolutely zero evidence of blacks being Buddhist at that time. Jesus was just a man who could utilize the superconductivity of his melanin.
>>48945
That is certainly true. They probably did not draw the strict line between prayer and magic we do today.
its also worth noting that traditional Christianity (Catholic/Orthodox) has a structure very similar to Greek mystery cults. Of course the church maintains this was all handed down from on high, but to anyone without faith it appears to follow the same models of development you see everywhere else.
>>48019
>One religion says A man is God incarnate and dies to absolve us of sin and rescue us from hell
>The other doesnt
>small differences
wew lad
>>48912
Perhaps that is why He is coming back because we live in Kali and just by going online you can see the irreligious principle.
He most likely went to "hell" to get people into "heaven" and also is with is into helping us escape our own hell (illusion, sin, material greed) and bring us to heaven (liberation, truth, salvation)
>>45514
Liberalism is literally the antithesis of Christ, jackass. Christ teaches love, not tolerance. Stop perverting God, degenerate.
>“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
>leave your life of sin.
>leave your life of sin.
Notice how it doesn't say, "Keep practicing sodomy because NO H8 :DDDDD"
>>49052
Orthodoxy claims to be doing the 2nd Temple period rituals, modified for Christ in mind.
Looking at it, you can see even in the Talmud, Temple Judaism was decently similar.
>>49079
So is the Jesus that came back the Jesus that already faught the apocalypse and threw satan and his lackies into the firey lake?
>>49186
Ask Him
I am sure with the amount of evil in the world today we haven't seen the worst of what could happen
>>49186
technically God exists outside time, so He already did everything before He did anything
>>49228
>jesus dies on the cross
>jesus dies
>jesus travels to the future, saves hell, and fights the apocalypse
>jesus travels back to the past and rolls the boulder to the side
>>49278
Makes perfect sense.
>>49278
0/10
By the way, to the folks that are saying Amnitabha = Jesus I'd like to point out that there are a few things about Pure Land that you need to understand
1: Vajryana is considered a JOKE by most people in the Buddhist space.
2:Even AMONG Vajryana Pure Land is considered a joke by some
3: There isn't even a consensus on what Amnitaba meant by calling out to him some think you have to say his name only once, some think you have to do it 10 times, and others think you have to dedicate your entire life to calling out to Amnitabha for help
4: Getting to the Pure Land isn't like getting to Heaven because once you are there you have to dedicate your life IN the Pure Land to following Amnitabhas words.
It's not the end of the line like Christianity, there is such a misunderstanding of Buddhism in this thread it's shocking.
>>49455
Amnitabha is a compromise for people who didn't have the time. It's a mantra. Afaik they tell you to nevermind the meaning of the words, that's not the purpose of the exercise.
>>49516
Well basically what Amnitabha said was "ask me for help and I'll let you in my land where my words still apply" and everyone argues about the words. Personally I've done the ten times method because I mean why not? But over all Pure Land is a hodgepodge of beliefs that not even the practitioners can agree on, which is like a lot of religions and other aspects of Buddhism but I feel like it weakens the Jesus comparison.
Any Buddhism that isn't the Greater Vehicle is wrong anyway.
>>49455
Don't worry, buddy, almost everyone is getting everything wrong with Christianity ITT as well.
It's always tough to remember the average armchair theologian doesn't know about the desert fathers.
>>49625
I can't comment on the Christian aspect just the Buddhist part but I mean most of what I've said about Buddhism isn't even hard to learn.
>>48364
if you weren't such a memey faggot you'd know that just means that lasting fulfillment can never come from outside of oneself instead of "420 blaze up sell my house lmfao". but sick nasty burn tho bro
>>49600
It's just a meditation method where you try to repeat word until they lose meaning. Then you're born into the pure land where you can reach enlightenment.
>>49721
that's what some people believe yes, Others say it's a life long commitment, others say you need to call out to him once. What you are describing is in no way unique to Pure Land also reaching the Pure Land means that you then can work towards enlightenment, it is not guaranteed just that you have a Buddha whose words will never stop being relevant like Siddhartha's have or will.
I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make.
>>49816
I imagine if that buddha existed he had a lot of students who wanted to get enlightened and basically told him to call upon his name and he would help them. But it was more like a trick to get them meditating with an easy to follow method. No books, no learning, just the mantra.
>>44590
You are mistaken. Or joking.
>>44626
>and then there's this autist
Greg solomon pls go
>>49978
That's what some subscribers to Pure Land think yeah, saying the words has always been important in all forms of Buddhism, my main point in this thread has been that no one can really agree remotely on how Pure Land works.
>>48976
>God was within him and all other human beings.
What was the lie that Satan told Eve again?
>>50110
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you." Luke 17:10
this parallels the buddha's statement that enlightenment can not be achieved by grasping at externalities, but only as an inner condition. an inner condition that we are all born with but must work at to keep pure
>>46205
Weren't those parts not in legit Paul epistles though?
>>45815
>He demands perfection, because He is perfect.
God is Love and God loves us. There is no demanding in love. Relationships don't work that way.
>>50423
What the hell does that have to do with what I asked, or the conversation? Did you respond to the wrong post m8?
>>50536
>"If you love me, follow my commands" -Jesus
>>50536
you do realize Christianity is about fatherly love, not marital love, yeah?
There's more than one kinda of love.
It's possible there was some Indian influence on Judean thought, but I can't imagine it would be anything close to the Hellenistic influence during the time of Jesus.
>>50801
https://books.google.com/books?id=Ar94ZG89uhQC&pg=PA556&lpg=PA556&dq=jesus+if+you+love+me+keep+my+commandments+exegesis&source=bl&ots=LCeqgy0nEV&sig=7SpPZZ1tTZm35TZpOPScV33btA0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBWoVChMIkfyej9PwyAIVxLIeCh3J6AKr#v=onepage&q=jesus%20if%20you%20love%20me%20keep%20my%20commandments%20exegesis&f=false
When you love someone, you will want to please them and make them happy. You're not following the commandments out of obedience but out of love.
>>50857
Christianity is about agape love- the love of sacrifice. Just as Jesus sacrificed for us, we do so for others.
>>44327
Buddhist monks traveled as far as Egypt and Macedon, so its not entirely unlikely.
Ashoka sent them and he lists which kings he sent them to as well in his Edicts:
Amtiyoko (Antiochus, the Seleucid emperor)
Tulamaya (Ptolemy II in Egypt)
Maka (Magas in Cyrene, rebel brother of Ptolemy)
Antakana (Antigonus in Macedon)
>>48255
>imaginary concept
Sin is another way of phrasing our natural tendency to do things we consider bad (murder, lying, etc.)
>>50753
You just lost m8
>>44327
Jesus died in Japan
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-little-known-legend-of-jesus-in-japan-165354242/?no-ist
>>46021
Yep, this.
There are multiple explicit references to Greek monks and monasteries ("Yona," eg "Ionians") and Menander is actually held to have been an arhat (reached nirvana). Interestingly enough, it's not at all impossible that Christianity actually influenced the development of Mahayana Buddhism and its later more theistic incarnations.
>>49455
Pure Lands Buddhism isn't Vajrayana, first of all. Second of all, I don't think Pure Lands Buddhism is a joke to Chinese Buddhists.
>>49600
My nigga. Hinayanafags gettin btfo
Why discuss the similarities of christianity to buddhism when it was clearly influenced by zoroastrianism. If it was influenced by buddhism it was only through zoroaster
>>54187
You are daft if you can't read enough to see the HUGE influence that Pure Land has in the lightning way and the appeal it has to those not willing to commit to the betterment of all man instead of just themselves. I'm not denything that Hinayana Buddhism doesn't also have practitioners of Pure Land, what I AM saying is that anyone that isn't Mahayana is missing the point of Buddhism.
>>49991
He clearly is, he's writing as if he were Brian, who in recent seasons has become an insufferable pretentious douche. The file name would suggest that he looked up an image of brian just for this post.
>>44327
A number of recent books have proposed the idea that Buddha and Jesus are practically brothers. Close to the end of Living Buddha, Living Christ, Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh asserted, "When you are a truly happy Christian, you are also a Buddhist. And vice versa.
many Buddhist consider Jesus a type of buddha, a Samyaksambuddha
>>44590
Goes like this
Sri Lankan and Thailander etc westernize Buddhism in response to Protestant missionaries
Later gets picked up by West
Buddhists missionaries later make it more palatable to the west new age type by removing dogmatic elements
Finally it is watered down by rich white suburbanites who don't know jack("Reincarnation is a metaphor, Buddhism is not a religion/a peaceful religion).
>>54187
Hi, you know creating a pure land on earth, like Chinese Bhuddists want is different from Amnitabha's vision right?
The similarities between Jesus and Buddha are striking desu
>>44327
Someone really, really liked "Man from Earth".
>>44327
Jesus came 5 _centuries_ after Buddha.
New testament authors most certainly know Buddhism.
In those days people read all religion thing they can get their hands on, and wrote their own Bible. New testament is a small collection of those.
say you know messiah is coming from some Jewish book, and also read about Buddha...
>>44626
"If i don't go to hell, who go to hell?"
Sound similar to Christian human scarify to me.
>>45022
>Christianity specifically teaches that we can only do it through Christ.
yes and there were many many schools of christianity which were killed because some spergs could not stand them
not all christians believe that Christ is God btw.
>>44327
buddha is not a virgin
JC is a virgin
>>48332
>Buddhism as a system is just a tool
this is right, I remember this story that describes buddhism as like a raft that you use to get across a river, but then you dont carry the damn raft with you when you get across
If anyone abuses you to your face, strikes you with a fist, throw clods of earth at you, beats you with a stick or gives you a blow with a sword, you must put aside all worldly desires and considerations and train yourself like this: ‘My heart will be unwavering. No evil words shall I speak. I will live with compassion for the good of others, with a kindly heart, without resentment.’ Thus must you train yourself.
-- M.I,124
I like to belive the trinity is the same as the triple gem.
Just my personal head canon.
>>45387
There where 3 buddhas before Buddha Shakyamuni (Guatama), but they existed in pre-history so there is no written accounts about them.
>>44464
also this. Jesus wasn't a Buddha, but he probably was very highly realized. Maybe Buddhisattva level. He probably discovered this entirely on his own.
Buddha Amitabha is a celestial Buddha that exists in the western pure lure land. Amitabha reached enlightenment in a previous universe.
>>61291
>cont
>>54187
yes it is. The pure lands also exist in Vajrayana.
I studied in a Vajrayana monestary and we did regular meditation on Amitabha.
There are also Vajrayanists who meditate on the Buddha of the eastern purebland.
The whole point of Vajrayana is to include and harmonize all other buddhist teachings in one system. So saying a buddhist teaching is not Vajrayana is contradictory to Vajrayana.
>>49600
Any Buddhism that isn't the Greater Vehicle is wrong anyway.
Like I said above this is a contradiction.
Hinaya is included in Mahayana and Vajrayana.
Without understanding basic Hinaya teachings its impossible to understand Mahayana.
Greater doesnt mean "better" in this context. It means "more" as in its an extension of the teachings.
Please learn about the 3 turnings of the wheel of Dharma.
>>49455
kek. Everything except 4 is a lie.
There is mutual respect between Hinayana and Vajrayana. Oh the irony. Try meeting some actual monks or nuns from all schools before making statements. You will see there is a lot of tolerance.
I bet nobody talking about Buddhism here has actually read any sutras, been in a monestary, or met monks.
Just because you read a "introduction on Buddhism" doesnt make you an expert.
Reminder that there is a christian contemplation and prayer which corresponds more about the loving-kindness (metta) contemplation of the buddhist
so basically, Christianity is samatha meditation but has not developed an explicit vipassana meditation. some buddhist nun says that the mystics discovered vipassana meditation. but obviously, today, nobody talk about this in Christianity.
>>45647
>serious spirit
>on a Antarctic penguin hooting board
maximum kek
>>61850
I heard about that.
Apparently Ajahn Brahm pin pointed a path towards full enlightenment in the writings of Saint Teresa of Jesus.
>>61850
>But obviously, today, nobody talk about this in Christianity.
The Catholic Church does, they've released multiple treatise on this exact subject and even told off a bunch of priests for practising Buddhist medication.
>>49012
Isn't India full with black people?
>>48255
>Buddhism is about erasing sufferings. It accomplishes this by severing the suffer from attachment and creating transcendence.
no buddhism is the phenomenology, a method in order to see how things are. the dharma is the doctrine of such-ness
>>63369
>dharma
>not dhamma
>>63404
>Nitpicking the difference in Pali and Sanskrit spelling for words that have exactly the same meaning.
Its like saying the english word "egg" has a different meaning then the dutch word "ei".
>>49186
>Jesus that came back the Jesus that already faught the apocalypse and threw satan and his lackies into the firey lake
Hell is different from the Second Death. Both are commonly referred as Hell, but they serve different purpose.
Reducing Jesus to the level of a eastern guru is just one of many methods used to diminish Him. If Jesus is just a guru then his words are wise, but if I decide to pick and chose his teachings then it's no big deal. If Jesus is just a guru then I am not accountable to him.
Jesus is not just a guru. Jesus in the Word of God made flesh, and all flesh will ultimately stand before Him and be held accountable. To take the knowledge of the ultimate revelation of God and reduce it to the level of eastern mysticism, is incredibly dangerous. God has given you great light and knowledge through the revelation of Jesus Christ... you don't reduce and rationalize Jesus to make him conform to your life, you conform your life to fit Jesus.
>>64186
Reducing god to just Jesus and considering everything else accident is just plain fucking stupid.
>>64186
They already fucked up God in Judaism when they started merging all the pantheon into one god. That's why he is an inconsistent figure.
>>63582
>Wicca listed as a religion
>Unitarians not
come on, man
ITT people really KNOW what they are talking about.
>>64584
You just gotta have faith
>>64584
>>64602
I don't believe in god.
But I still believe there are good religions
In Good Religions:
Good people go to heaven. Period.
Bad religion?
Good people can't go to heaven, unless...
>>64660
And who chooses who the good people are?
>>64660
For somebody that doesn't believe in God, he sure does seem to take an insurmountable amount of your time
>>64731
Believe me, normal people know good and bad.
Except Christians...
>>64907
>Except Christians..
>>44626
You're literally describing Islam. Traditional Christianity is about actions and forgiveness of sins, Jesus' whole point was that blindly obeying random laws is not the point.
>>64735
insurmountable amount of time? not really.
As a product of a religions based grade school system, I spend enough time to come to the conclusion. However, there are a lot of people still fell for it. I want to help...
>>64584
>>64660
>In Good Religions: Good people go to heaven. Period.
That's just laziness. Why create a complete set of rules, norms and values if every person will have a free pass?
That's what protestants tried to do and thanks to that a lot of people didn't give a shit their religion and forget everything. I mean, if you can go to heaven no matter what, why bother to learn about religion?
>>65107
So everybody are GOOD no matter what they DO??
So you are THE typical can't tell god from bad Christian.
>>64907
>>65083
>insurmountable amount of time? not really.
>still takes his time
> However, there are a lot of people still fell for it. I want to help...
So you want to spread your word? sounds familiar
http://atheismplus.com/
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2012/nov/09/confessions-of-an-internet-troll
>>65235
atheism is a crutch
1 – If there is no judge, there is no judgment.
2 – atheists suffered while they were a religious
3 – If God exists, their loved one went to Hell
5 – As an atheist, they can appear as intellectual elitists
basically, atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God
>>48526
Underrated desu sempai desu
>>65339
>I'm a special snowflake
>I got layers..like an onion
>>65284
>reality of God
>reality
>of God
my sides
>>65284
>the reality of God
>>64584
So you comprehend all those mysterious ways?
Which reality anyway?
>>59729
So is Buddhism basically just about learning to focus on the world around you?
Is the endgame of Buddhism someone who is completely immersed in their external surroundings?
>>65619
Whoa! whoa! whoa!
You want to actually talk about what the thread was posted for in the first place and not get side tracked by Christian vs atheist shitposting?
Where do you think we are buddy?
>>65659
A board that was created two days ago?
Now will you attempt to answer my question?
>>65704
You're on 4chan shitlord
Also look through the thread, jackass
>>65729
But I thought it was only Christian vs atheist shitposting :^)
Seriously am I completely wrong about Buddhism?
>>65619
>someone who is completely immersed in their external surroundings?
I always thought it was the opposite.
>>65780
So someone who focuses only on their thoughts?
>>65779
See>>55926 that's pretty much how the west is towards buddhism
Also
Buddhism is a mind virus that tries to convert lazy people to anti-intellectualism. Its concept of "enlightenment" is nothing more than striving to weaken one's mind until only the most superficial kind of consciousness remains. I think it's probably even worse than suicide.
It's pretty easy to get into it because it mostly doesn't make any sense, you just have to "contemplate" supposed paradoxes, which are in fact simple puns.
Enlightenment, at least, is the buddhist sense, is free yourself of desire, but then again, the desire of enlightenment is a desire of itself, but one will not achieve enlightenment if one does not desire for it, so in the end, you do not escape from desire, you are just letting the desire of no desire controlling your state of mind.
It is quite paradoxical, like nothingness does not exist, because even if it does, then we lose everything, we still have nothingness because it belongs outside of that everything, which is contradictory.
“Enlightenment is a destructive process. It
has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier. Enlightenment is the
crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing
through the facade of pretence. It's the
complete eradication of everything we
imagined to be true.”
―Adyashanti
>>47875
I thought it was obvious. God exists in all of his "kingdoms" so to speak, Jesus is God's presence on earth, or the toilet realm of mortals, the Holy Spirit is the omnipresence and the Father is the one inhabiting wherever heaven is. Three different manifestations of the one.
>>65830
That is much closer.
Connections to the outside world is karma, karma ties you to reality, reaching nirvana requires separating those bonds.
>>45087
Its like japanese mormonism.
Surprisingly less retarded though
>>65339
Just say that you're not a materialist.
Anyone read living buddha living christ
Such a dumb meme. There are hundreds of people from the east who Jesus is more similar to before some atheistic Buddha.
