Why does everyone seem so intent on destroying pieces of history now? Whether it's the Middle East, Europe or America everyone seems intent on destroying artifacts of the past. Is it just the time we live in or have other nations and cultures done similar removals as they evolved?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12056281/Thousands-of-guns-in-British-museums-could-be-mutilated-under-new-law-from-Brussels.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/us/new-orleans-confederate-monuments-vote/
>>441048
The best 21st century work of religious art was made by some idiots destroying a stone buddha.
>>441055
You're just bullshitting me right?
>>441057
Nope. This is a more realistic depiction of the buddha than those stone faced po faced asian men seen in thai stone craft.
>>441069
I don't get it..
They're just a bunch of stones.
Stop being such a bleeding-heart libtard.
>>441048
>Europe
Examples?
>>441083
The presence of the absence is more powerful than the presence of the presence. It'd be like doing a cartoon of Luke/Acts where you never depicted Jesus.
>>441069
Buddha, ha-ha-ha, such a nice joke!
Probably that was a statue of ancient king or hero.
>>441093
Brits are ruining some machineguns because of a new law in Brussels.
As for OP, it was likely standard practice at times to destroy artifacts linking to the past especially if they go against the current narrative.
Perhaps we will see the same happen in our lifetime, but I think information spreading is so widely spread that it will all be for naught. Just a shame to lose that history though.
>>441083
Muslims destroyed the statue in Afghanistan. Now there's a 3d buddha in its place.
>>441093
He's talking about his link involving the weapons housed in museums. The EU is trying to get more gun control in place in the wake of the Paris attacks. Some proponents are trying to make it so the Museums would have to deactivate their guns, essentially destroying them.
>>441048
They destroy pieces of history because you care more about pieces of history being destroyed than you care about millions of lives being destroyed by imperialist adventurism and power consolidation.
You need to consider that history honestly isn't good enough.
>>441112
>care about millions of lives being destroyed
what the hell does that have to do with the topic? If anything, the destruction of historical crap is a side effect of 'imperialist adventurism and power consolidation'
>>441112
>They destroy pieces of history because you care more about pieces of history being destroyed than you care about millions of lives being destroyed by imperialist adventurism and power consolidation.
Where does it mention destroying monuments for those reasons in the Koran?
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>>441048
It used to be called "iconoclasm"
It was the destruction of icons representing the conquered.
It's a display of power by conquerors.
And yes, stuff like destroying Confederate landmarks, historical weapons, religious icons, and all the purging of literature from vanquished dynasties in Imperial China count.
Iconoclasm is literally the worst thing you can do to the dead, and anyone who practices it are scum.
>>441069
Thats deep man very deep
>>441151
In my house, all three buddhists cracked beer and ate meat to celebrate.
>>441144
>fucking iconodules shitting up this thread.
>>441048
Thanks to the internet, an entire generation of gullible people are being funneled into extremist ideologies. In the west, liberals are destroying anything they can that is "problematic". Meanwhile in the middle east, they're busy destroying every monument that isn't Islamic.
>>441158
In this day and age, thanks to the cheapening of the stamp duties, any person can take any newspaper of their choice, allowing dangerous outlets like the Black Dwarf to print sedition and heresy, resulting in the gullible mobility being caught by demagogues into Jacobin extremism. In our Universities, dissenters and catholics are at large, destroying the basis of the Church of England. Meanwhile on the Continent, Napoleon is busy destroying every institution of christendom and right rule and substituting atheism.
>>441112
>millions of lives being destroyed by imperialist adventurism and power consolidation
What the hell are you even talking about? The guns are being destroyed because they technically fall under a category of weapon that some bureaucrats in Brussels consider to be dangerous.
>>441163
Fascinating, but it says nothing about whether either of those statements are accurate. I'd say more circulation of extreme ideology in any medium leads to more people doing insane shit.
>>441170
>I'd say more circulation of extreme ideology in any medium leads to more people doing insane shit.
Got any multiple summary monographs agreeing that ideology drives social action? Because that is a FUCKING controversial statement.
>>441144
There is literally nothing wrong with removing / destroying monuments to people that went to war to keep slavery and the people that died for that purpose died pointless deaths that shouldn't be honored.
>>441069
Doesn't Bhudda has more primary sources confirming his life than Christ
>>441192
>Doesn't Bhudda has more primary sources confirming his life than Christ
Last time I read up here's the jimmy:
Earliest text, physical remains: Jesus: 300ish, Buddha: 500ish
Earliest text, creation of text by text analysis: Jesus: by at least 150, Buddha: 200
Then again buddhism doesn't hinge on a "historical guatama," and the major findings of the peak of buddhist philosophy (250-1250) involve demonstration by ontological introspection.
>>441192
There are no primary sources for the Buddha that survive.
>>441192
No.
The New Testament is the most reliable story of antiquity.
>now
got some news for you
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>>441178
>multiple summary monographs
>to prove that indoctrinating people in an ideology and constantly reinforcing it makes people believe that ideology is true
It's nice that you learned the word monograph yesterday, but you need to pull your college sophomore head out of your college sophomore ass. Kudos on restraining yourself from calling it a "problematic" statement though.
>>441208
>reliability
If you're referring to the texts we've received being hypothesised as being reliable to the texts as they were redacted then yes.
If you're imputing that the story refers to actual events then no.
>>441212
You're posting Maoist propaganda and advocating liberal idealism as an inhering and natural structure of reality. Good job mate.
Read Gramsci, then Lukacs, then Frankfurt, the the Autonomists, then the German praxis school, then some reception studies from the 19th century labour movement.
>>441144
partly true. the conquered were also represented in monuments showing the conquerors as victors though. but the same destruction (transformation) of signs is not only present in iconoclasm but damnatio memoriae -- from antiquity, through the turn of modernity in the french revolution, and beyond
>>441069
Fuck off your god damn retard.
>>441226
Read something. I'd recommend Gateless Gate. There's a useful copy in Zen Flesh Zen Bones.
>>441220
>Maoist
>>441069
This guy knows what's up
>Graeco-Buddhism was a mistake
>t. Buddha
>>441237
but there is nothing more interesting and valuable than allah and he forbids idols
>>441242
There's a reasonable argument to be made for Juche in that period, but I apologise for not opening your specious little fucking image when you're making extraordinarily large claims about how social relationships work.
The devil wants people to have no sovereign identity.
It's all part of the New World Order agenda.
>>441220
>You're posting Maoist propaganda and advocating liberal idealism as an inhering and natural structure of reality. Good job mate.
No, I'm posting DPRK propaganda to make fun of you asking for a monograph to prove the obvious. Your yapping about "inhering the natural structure of reality" has nothing to do with anything said here and is completely off-topic. I remember writing that way when I was a 21 year old college kid. I look back at everything I wrote then and cringe at it today.
>Read Gramsci, then Lukacs, then Frankfurt, the the Autonomists, then the German praxis school, then some reception studies from the 19th century labour movement.
Ask your parents how to not be an irritating fedora tipping pseudo-intellectual who spews an endless stream of bullshit sophistry.
>>441287
Thanks for supply no sources for your extraordinary claim.
I will stick with my quite well respected disciplinary position that ideology is the result of the material relations between people, rather than a result of people being made to think things.
If you really care try Abercrombie _Class Structure and Knowledge_
You are a fucking shitposter.
>>441293
If you want to be taken seriously, don't act like a caricature. The next time you want to have a serious discussion with someone, act like an adult. Resist the urge to sperg out about all the books you've read.
>>441251
I'm a different anon busting your balls over not recognizing hangeul and hanzi.
>There's a reasonable argument to be made for Juche in that period
Not at all, Juche was from the beginning stylized as a socialism specific to Korea, whereas Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is universal and seen as the latest stage of Marxist theory. The Leninism of the USSR was more influential among Korean communists but Kim Il-Sung took power and instated Juche instead.
>>441315
No, cunt. Read the sticky. Your complete unawareness of debates on ideology and your unwillingness to back your claims breaks the requirement for a high level of discourse.
If you want to spout shit with no evidence fuck off to another board.
>>441323
From a thumbnail? When someone's being uninspectedly idealist? Are you shitting me.
>Juche was from the beginning
An attempt to cater to the Maoist faction while maintaining Kim rule, slowly transformed by the Kim faction as they eliminated alternate power source after alternate power source. Juche borrowed more from Maoism than from Stalinism, from the beginning.
>Kim faction being leninists
Like fucking arse. Kim turned on the Russian faction only less fast than he turned on the Korean working class or the "stay behind" faction.
>>441048
>removing the CSA memorials
And you know that this us only on the table because media shits are directing inflated racial tension onto historical symbolism and memorials.
>>441048
They who control the past control the present, and they who control the present control the future.
>>441144
It the Earth is a another type of "iconoclasm", without common name.
It was the destruction of icons representing the conquerors after restoration power of the conquered.
It's a display of restored power by conquered.
Destroyed items had markers of "yellow race".
Guess, there is can be Mystery of the Mongols. The Buddhists might had used statues much more later as double meaning in different centuries.
>>441048
Because in the instences you provided, O.P. people do not like being held accountable to their history. They only want to remember the good stuff and not the bad. They would rather remember the triangular trade and the flow of goods and rise of the US economic powerhouse that was the south than remember it was built on slaves. People do not like to remember that the world they live in was forged by the gun. They would rather live in the shiny glow of history rather than embrace the entierty of it.
Now with the case of the middle east history destruction, they are just asshats who refuse to think about a past before Muhammad. The fuckers.
>>441186
faggot
>>441048
>now?
Huguenot scums started the job long ago.
>>441419
boy-rapist detected
>>441353
It's a futile endeavor. It will only serve to radicalize people and convince the crazier among them that they were right to be suspicious of the government. In a country like the US, it's very difficult to suppress an ideology, particularly one as entrenched as southern fondness for the good old days of the Confederacy.
Instead of rednecks harmlessly slapping bumper stickers on their shitkicker truck, you have radicals throwing bombs because their cultural identity is under attack. They're gonna create the thing that they fear.
At least those people have an agenda. People burying back historical artefacts or destroying archeological sites in my country do it because 01. money; 02. ignorance and stupidity; 03. lack of funding.
It's painful.
>>441186
>Why remember the past when you can just whitewash everything and pretend it never was?
>>441629
True words
>>441048
Because the Assyrians enslaved the Jews.
>>441048
Even if some new damnatio memoriae is tried out, it would be extremely hard to completely fulfill it because we nowadays have internet and technology which allow us mass sharing and storage of documents. And almost all relevant archives today have their storage digitalized and free for anyone to look at. Unless of course someone goes full retard by proclaiming censorship of the internet and going witch hunting.
Of course destroying monuments and artifacts is always tragic and must be stopped but at least today we are in much better position since we have numerous non-physical backup reserves if something is lost.
>>441629
>They're gonna create the thing that they fear.
Implying this wasn't the goal all along: manufacturing a domestic insurrection to justify larger power grabs.
>>441104
They were Buddhas that got destroyed dipshit
>>441048
>>442564
>Since the beginning of modern age, society has given up on pursuing absolute values. It’s come to place the relative, comparative worldview as its center. However, it’s not because we no longer need any absolutes in our lives… Rather, it’s simply because we came to see them as sour grapes and started eliminating them.We thought, “It’s hard to adhere to those values, so let’s just pretend that such ideas never existed from the start.”
>-Shogo Makishima (Psycho Pass anime)
Because the morals, values and history those pieces represent become sour grapes to idiots who think it's better to just destroy them and slide into degeneracy and hedonism. There is a reason why pretty much every ancient apocalyptic writings have moral/value decline as one of the key things that caused the end of civilization. Contempt for these things ended the world as they knew it and would/does for future generations. Same damn thing now. Idiots would give up Morals/God/Justice, etc. to lay with the 'Whore of Babylon'
>Tuesday early in the morninge severall of our soilders inhabitinge the out parts of the towne sallied out unto the house of one Penrudduck a papist and beinge basely affronted by him and his dogge entred his house and pillaged him to the purpose this day also the soildiers got into the Church defaced the auntient and sacred glased picturs and Burned the holy railes
>Wensday Mr Love gave us a famous sermon this day also the soildiers brought the holy railes from Chissick and burned them in our towne at chissick they also intended to pillage the Lord of Portlands house and also Doctor Ducke but by our Commanders they were prevented This day our soldiers generally manifested their dislike of our Leiftenant Colonell who is a Godamme blade and doubtlesse hatch in Hell and wee all desire that ether the Parlaiment would depose him or God convert him or the Divill fetch him away quick This day Towards even our Regiment marched to Uxbridge but I wa[s] left behind to bringe up 30 men with ammunition the next mornin[g]
>Thursday I marched towards Uxbridge and at Hillington one mile from Uxbridge the railes beinge gone wee got the surplasse to make us and handcherchers and one of our soildiers ware it to uxbridge this day the Railes of Uxbridge formerly removed was with the service boock burned this even Mr Hardinge gave us a worthy sermon
>>441083
>"Of course you're befuddled, Vaccha. Of course you're confused. Deep, Vaccha, is this phenomenon, hard to see, hard to realize, tranquil, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. For those with other views, other practices, other satisfactions, other aims, other teachers, it is difficult to know. That being the case, I will now put some questions to you. Answer as you see fit. What do you think, Vaccha: If a fire were burning in front of you, would you know that, 'This fire is burning in front of me'? If the fire burning in front of you were to go out, would you know that, 'This fire burning in front of me has gone out'? And suppose someone were to ask you, 'This fire that has gone out in front of you, in which direction from here has it gone? East? West? North? Or south?' Thus asked, how would you reply?"
>"That doesn't apply, Master Gotama. Any fire burning dependent on a sustenance of grass and timber, being unnourished — from having consumed that sustenance and not being offered any other — is classified simply as 'out'."
>"Even so, Vaccha, any physical form by which one describing the Buddha would describe him: That the Buddha has abandoned, its root destroyed, made like a palmyra stump, deprived of the conditions of development, not destined for future arising. Freed from the classification of form, Vaccha, the Buddha is deep, boundless, hard to fathom, like the sea. 'Reappears' doesn't apply. 'Does not reappear' doesn't apply. 'Both does & does not reappear' doesn't apply. 'Neither reappears nor does not reappear' doesn't apply.
>>441248
>This was a mistake
Shit taste detected
>>441069
>I did not want to destroy the Bamiyan Buddha. In fact, some foreigners came to me and said they would like to conduct the repair work of the Bamiyan Buddha that had been slightly damaged due to rains. This shocked me. I thought, these callous people have no regard for thousands of living human beings -- the Afghans who are dying of hunger, but they are so concerned about non-living objects like the Buddha. This was extremely deplorable. That is why I ordered its destruction. Had they come for humanitarian work, I would have never ordered the Buddha's destruction.
HE ACTUALLY DID IT, THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>444311
Wow what a dumbass. Well congrats omar you fucking dipshit you ruined a priceless artifact forever.
>>444472
>artifact
artefact
And he improved it forever.
>>444311
Why haven't we shot all muslims yet?
>>442564
>if you remove a monument to confederates it means that no one is ever going to talk about the civil war again!!!!!!!
Really, kid? Keeping those shitty monuments and flags is the whitewashing. You probably thing the civil war wasn't over the right to own slaves.
>>444311
Is this true? Absolutely based if so.
>>444472
>priceless
yep, you can't sell stone for gold, that's a fool's trade, if it was made out of gold, it would've been priceful.
>>444594
you need balls of watermelon size to do so, and accept the possibility of dying while in the process.
>>441144
>It used to be called "iconoclasm"
>It was the destruction of icons representing the conquered.
>It's a display of power by conquerors.
Not necessarily. Protestants would demolish and burn images of Christ because they felt the people had begun worshiping the images themselves rather than the spirit of the man.
ISIS is looting, smuggling, and selling most of it. They destroy what they can't move to sell. Partially for the propaganda value, because westerners with suburban sensibilities get upset.
>>444653
Fuck you, they're priceless relics of ancient history.
>>441158
They destroy Islamic things too, you dummy.
>>444311
Retard.
If he wanted to help his people, the billions of dollars over the centuries from tourism would have done the greatest good. Instead, now he's doomed his people to live in a desolate atavistic wasteland without any hope, forever.
Not to mention the revulsion toward Islam an act like that inspires in people around the world. Before, foreigners were indifferent to his people suffering, now they'd take delight in it.
>>444311
humans ain't worth shit
>>444669
No, those relics are "not muh islam"
>>441186
slaver is fucking great, but only non-whites should be put to slavery
>>444686
why so butthurt tho ? if you park your car in my land i will take it, and possibly your life too. its my land, whatever is on it i am free to do as i please, correct ? otherwise you are violating my rights. i heard that in some USA states you can shoot trespassers after your first warning.
>>444311
What a spiteful retard.
>>444717
Have you ever gotten angry at someone for destroying something nice that you can't have?
>>444311
He's right, I care more about statues because they are culture worth more than what current muslims can produce.
>>444895
only if i'm a faggot. but what's nice about a big ass stone statue of a chink ?
>>444921
If you don't value history why the fuck are you browsing this board?
