What does /his/ think of outlaws and murderers as folk heroes? Are any of them actually worthy of the veneration they receive?
i think some are a testament to human endurance and ingenuity.
like a natural disaster.
>outlaws and murders
>worthy of the veneration they receive
Gee, what do you think OP?
If Billy the Kid is a folk hero I don't see why Ted Bundy shouldn't be one too.
>>427891
>think of... murderers
They're murderers.
>>worthy of veneration
No.
>>427976
But it happened a long time ago so it's okay
>>427891
Is Billy the Kid venerated? I suppose you could say Peckinpah did in Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, but that was him making a film about the death of the West through a more human angle than The Wild Bunch, and chose it as a story to do so.
Isn't nearly all of what he did exaggerated or made up anyway?
>>427891
Go read Hobsbawm's Bandits, then post an interesting thread.
The landschlekt are pretty respected.
Jesse James is and was a hero, to the point that the guy who killed him in the name of the law was ridiculed for the rest of his life as a coward and murdered.
Ned Kelly is one of, if not the most, popular people in Australia's history. He's seen as a working class hero who stood up to the establishment, specifically the thuggish cops at the time. Kind of an Australian-Irish Robin Hood character in armour who robbed banks and killed police.
>>428633
That's quite a story, the wikipedia page is long but worth the read.
>>428563
>Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
Such a great film, actually most of Peckinpah's films, particularly his Westerns, are amazing. The death of Wild West and the closing of the frontier/the arrival of modern civilization is definitely a common theme to his work.
>>428751
It's easy to see why everyone here idolises him isn't it. It's quite a story. Australians are very much a supporter of what we perceive as the underdog for some reason. But still, he was a murderer who robbed people for a living. He would just be a footnote in history if not for the armour.
>>428963
Incompetent murderer who fucked up bank robberies and killed some police. The more interesting question is why Australian folk culture loves a man most notable for being a cop killer, despite his gross incompetence.
>>428967
Because FTP
>>428973
ACAB.
>>428978
>>428967
The armour makes for great action figures
http://archive.bangordailynews.com/2005/12/19/howards-hermit-former-great-northern-paper-employee-finds-only-known-photo-of-hiram-johnson/
Tfw my dad would go past his camp to go fishing when he was a child...
wouldn't call him a murderer (some would) but certainly an outlaw for most of his life
How about slightly more modern outlaws, like Bonnie and Clyde? They're extremely romanticized.
>>427945
Billy the Kid was no saint, but comparing him to Ted Bundy is idiotic.
>>428963
>He would just be a footnote in history if not for the armour.
His use of language, especially in the Jerilderie Letter, sets him apart from any other outlaw in history
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ned_Kelly
He is basically the only real-life Robin Hood who ever existed
>>428967
>Incompetent murderer who fucked up bank robberies
His robberies were successful though. It was his last stand at Glenrowan that was a spectacular catastrophe
>>428620
The Jesse James/Robin Hood myth was manufactured entirely by buttravaged Southerners
You won't find a single historian these days who views Jesse James in a positive light
>>427891
>Are any of them actually worthy of the veneration they receive?
Pancho Villa and that's basically it.
>inb that's Emiliano Zapta
I know, I don't have a picture of Pancho Villa and am too lazy to go search and save one.
Deal with it.
You know what he looks like, use your imagination.
>>433072
But he was so handsome...
Short answer, yes
>>427891
>Are any of them actually worthy of the veneration they receive?
They are when they removed kebab.
>>427891
Why do people like action movies?
>umad?
