So do we all agree the unification of Germany is the worst thing to happen to European civilization since the black death?
>>427158
What ought to have happened then?
Stayed as small states? Unified as smaller nations?
>>427158
Cant we all agree that humanity is the worst thing for humanity since humanity?
>>427158
No the best
>>427193
It would have been much better if they stayed as small states, them becoming unified ruined the balance of power in the European theatre and ultimately destroyed Europe culturally, economically and militarily.
Unified France was much worse.
The worst thing to happen to European civilization was communism.
>>427220
Invented by a German
>>427223
>German
>>427223
>invented communism
>gave rise to Nazism
>major cause in the downfall of the Roman empire
>letting in 1 million+ immigrants from Syria etc in a single year
>Two world wars
Germany can not do anything right.
>>427212
>all the French in one country
>all the English in one country
>all the Russians in one country
>all the Germans in separate counties
Their unification was inevitable. The fact that their unification threw off the balance of power just meant that the balance of power was short sighted and meant to be overthrown. The only unfortunate thing about this was it's outcome.
>>427212
>It would have been much better if they stayed as small states, them becoming unified ruined the balance of power in the European theatre and ultimately destroyed Europe culturally, economically and militarily.
No, I think the intrusion was American.
> inb4 pretending to have an isolationist policy
>>427263
Just because it was going to happen doesn't change the fact when it did happen it caused the utter destruction of the entire continent. Now Europe exists as an American colony with American values. Thanks Germany.
>>427280
No, his grandpa was. Marx was a Lutheran and considered himself to be German.
>>427292
Why do you only blame Germany for this and not the UK, France, Russia etc?
>>427280
He was German
>>427301
>considered himself to be German
Irrelevant.
>>427301
>you're only jewish if you feel like it
It's a hereditary thing
>>427308
No, he was really a Jew just like every other communist in Germany.
>>427307
This. Europe could be a superpower if they weren't insistent on destroying Germany. I sometimes wonder if those in power who refused to negotiate would reconsider if they could see what Europe has become today.
>>427307
Russia can be totally blamed for ruining the east after adopting the German philosophy of Communism but what did the UK and France do?
>>427319
Europe shouldn't be a single entity it should be a region. Again more Americanisation "Let's become the united states of Europe! Much relevance and power. Unity via diversity :DDD" Fuck off Hanz
>>427335
Not really what my point was you fucking shill, I was generalizing that Europe as a region could still be as powerful as it used to be without being a unified entity, i.e. the people that conquered the Earth.
>>427320
The UK has been warmongering, dividing and conquering as they've seen fit forever and then they loose their shit when Germany unites and rapidly starts overtaking them as a global power.
The point is, all of the blame shouldn't be shifted onto Germany. WW1 was a disaster waiting to happen and the UK/France were lucky the odds were stacked in their favor.
>>427212
>ruined the balance of power
The unification of germany 1871 was followed by a for that time exceptionally peceful period.
>>427382
True, more thanks to good diplomacy, but the nations built up during that period of peace. The German industry boomed, as did the populations in most nations, with Germany already have a big base compared to e.g France who used to boast a larger populace. It's not like nothing happened during those peaceful years - there was growth all around.
Everytime I walk down the street in Amsterdam and brown skinned Hijabi women speaking English I just think "Thanks Germany"
>>427490
>immigration to europe is spearheaded by jews
>germany fought against jews
???
>>427544
More like Germany chimping out as hard as they did gave the Jews a blank check.
>>427550
Keep making excuses and blaming the country that at least tried
Yes.
Unfortunately only the French cared about preventing it, and they slipped up when they supported Prussia over Austria in the War of Austrian Succession, still seeing Austria as the bigger threat.
The English on the other hand supported Prussian imperialism because they thought a united Germany would be good for countering France.
>>427556
Germany was never going to win, and in 'trying' they took down European nationalism with them.
>>427544
>immigration to europe is spearheaded by jews
First of all Germans are the main culprits today for immigration due to their open borders with the whole Syrian affair. But more importantly after ww2 (which could be blamed on either the Germans, Russians or Poles) Europe was fukin rekt and called for her colonial subjects to replace manpower.
Obviously it wasnt all Germany (ie Idi Amin going full angry cuck tier and expelling the Indians resulting in them having to go the UK for refuge) but nevertheless Germany historically and contemporary can be seen as the sole or main encourager , in one way or another, for non-Westerns to emigrate to Europe
>>427544
They were the ones who got Jews in power in Russia.
>>427591
>mfw the guy who brought the idea that jews caused Germany to lose ww1 was the one who allowed Lenin and co entry to Russia
>mfw the jew 'haters' where the biggest jew enablers
Ludendorff the fukin lad
>>427544
>muh jews
literally fuck off you retards, you idiots are why nationalism died.
>>427219
explain
>>427738
It's filled with the French
>>428308
when and how was france unified
Germany IS Europe.
I want Anglos to go and stay go.
>>428347
Here is a webm of Germans welcoming "New Germans" but they don't speak German so the signs had to be written in Arabic.
>>428382
This is what happens when Anglo enslavers break the spirit of true Europeans. Britain is the reason it is a sin to be European.
>>428424
>Britain is the reason it is a sin to be European.
Maybe if a certain country didn't go full autism and art gassing everyone that wasn't the right sort of German we wouldn't have this sort of reactionary deliberately importing non westerners to the west.
>>428424
France is an equally bad offender desu. And Germany for that matter considering they're the biggest nigger loving shills in Europe right now.
>>428439
They didn't gas enough of them then.
>>427158
Wouldn't say the unification itself was bad, more so the timing of unification. Maybe a unification 100 years earlier then the balance of power would be able to adapt in Europa.
>karl marx, luther and hitler are germans
The Allied powers should have been partiotoned that damn country like what they did to the Polish-Lithuania hundred years ago or erased it on the world map one and forever.
>>428439
Maybe if Britain hadn't declared war Germany could have gone through with it's plan to reunite Germany and ship the Jews off to other countries as they originally planned.
>>428554
Maybe if Germany didn't develop the habit of starting wars it couldn't finish it wouldn't have been as much of a problem.
Itt: Anglos afraid of Teutonic greatness.
>>428561
Germany didn't want to go to war with Britain and France. Germany just wanted to unite Germany again after France and Britain tore Germany apart at the end of World War One.
>>428566
>France and Britain tore Germany apart at the end of World War One
Clearly they didn't go far enough.
>>428569
>try to unite the heart of Germany and fail time and time again due to subversion from England
>finally unite Germany and try to become the shining example of European strength as was Germany's birthright
>fail due to literally the whole world trying to keep Europe down
>try one more time but fail again due to British and French agression
>learn from mistakes and try to make a more inclusive and economically oriented Europe and try to act as the middle man between Western Europe and Russia instead of the punching bag of all three
>British do nothing but bitch about the EU
Britain truly is the worst part of Europe.
>>428566
>Germany didn't want to go to war with Britain and France.
Then they shouldn't have attacked a country that France and Britain said they would go to war over
>>428672
>You better not take back the lands we stole from you else we will steal even more shit from you.
Poland was just an excuse to make sure Germany stayed weak. If Poland were really such a big deal then France and Britain would have declared war on the USSR as well.
>>428682
Germany shouldn't exist m8
There's no such thing as stealing from them
>>427158
Agreed, Kleindeustchland was a mistake. Großdeustchland would've saved Europe, especially if you throw in Luxembourg and Switzerland just for shits n giggles
>>428683
No wonder the British government puts so much money into class A documentaries. It takes that much money to rewrite all of history in their favor.
Were Germans ever decent people before they unified, or were they always such ISIS tier psychopathic assholes with delusions of racial superiority but only lacked the means to constantly ruin everything?
>>428686
Now you get a WW1 where Germany is in a even more shitty position.
>>427311
matrilineal
>>427356
No wonder that they are massively asshurt about the EU when they sacrifices their empire to Prevent German Domination of Europe(Which was only delayed by the world wars not stopped)
>>428566
is that why they annexed places like austria and czechoslovakia
that is places that have never been germany
>>427558
>The English on the other hand supported Prussian imperialism
It's always the perfidious albion.
The prussians/germans were just the autistic manchild, thrashing around europe with his retard strength
>>427220
Not communism, but leftism in general.
>>429045
t. Albrecht Babenboscher
>>427158
you mean since fall of Rome
>Germans in charge of not ruining Europe
>>427220
Can you empirically prove that using peer reviewed historical journals or are you merely stating an uninformed opinion?
>>428682
> If Poland were really such a big deal then France and Britain would have declared war on the USSR as well.
France had plans to bomb Baku and attack Caucasus region in general, whereas the Brits and French were planning an intervention in Finland through Norway that fell through with Nazi invasion.
Why do the allies blame Germany for world war 1? There are people in this thread that still unironically blame them.
>>428686
>prussia
>bavaria
>austria
>together
aaaahahahahahaha
>>429137
Because of the overwhelming evidence supporting German aggression as the step between regional war and world war, mandated by German military strategy that considered offensive to be the foremost way for German reich to survive?
>>427158
Didn't go well for Prussia itself at least.
>>429142
>overwhelming evidence of german aggression
They didnt even start the war you mong
>>429148
> Told Austrians to go forward with aggresion towards Serbia
> Declared War on Russia
> Declared War on France
> Declared War and invaded Luxemburg and Belgium
> Intervene in Finnish, Ukrainian, Estonian and Russian civil war in crude and bloody manner
> No aggression
>>429137
educate yourself please and stop memeing on his with your shit tier dumbster humour
>>429148
>>427391
>>429155
Since I'm a Finn I know they didnt intervene in Finnish civil war in a bloody manner. I have to wonder how much your other points are out of your ass.
>>427335
You will never compete with China if you don't accept that being a small continent of small states will never equal one big country.
>>427158
No. Germany losing the First World War was the worst thing to happen.
>>429185
> Since I'm a Finn I know they didnt intervene in Finnish civil war in a bloody manner.
> Occupation of Finnish capital using military force
> Setting up of concentration camps to kill Finns
> Not bloody
Finnish cucks, everyone!
>>429192
Well not any more bloody than the locals. We were killing communists for years after that too.
>>427544
If he holocaust had never happened, modern Germany and Europe and general wouldn't have these massive white guilt issues and feel inclined to let millions of immigrants into their countries every year just to prove how progressive and non-racist they are.
>>429184
>Ireland
>>429194
> Well not any more bloody than the locals.
That wasn't my point. Finnish gov at least had some pretense of legitimacy of using force. But when German army kills Finns, sets up concentration camps, trains Finnish nationalist terrorists during the war and plays spheres of influence in East Europe? It's pretty aggressive.
>>427158
>t. Anglo
I'm pretty sure the unification of Germany was a godsend that ended that fuck-confusing area of Europe with its Holy-Roman-Empire-But-We-Exist-Really-As-Tiny-States Bullshit.
>>427158
Never has been a /int/ or /gsg/ regular, but are Germanboos so annoying that hating Germany became a meme?
ITT the eternal Anglo
>>427158
No you're thinking of the French revolution
>>429222
Mate, Germany was divided to just 30 or so states after Napoleonics. After that, the only place with too many German states was central Germany with quite a few city states.
>>429245
>30 or so states.
>In an area THAT small
M8....
Furthermore those states were one upping each other all the time leading to shit wars. Germany is literally like Europe's Historic Cockfighting Ring from 1500's-1800's.
>>429249
Of the 30, 20 or so were central German city states. Outside of them you have medium sized Hannover, Wurttenburg, Baden, Mecklenburg, Saxony, Holstein and Oldenburg.
>>429252
>Enclaves
I threw up.
Some may call it bad, some may call it good ... I just love the memes that have been created out of the events
>>427263
>French in one country
>what are normans
>what are bretons
>what are south frenchs
>all the English in one country
>what are scots
>what are irish
>what are anglo irish
>all the Russians in one country
CAME ON M8 B8 HARDER
>>427259
>>Two world wars
Not paying attention in history calss
Are you american?
>>429361
>comparing modern Bretons and even Normands (lel) to modern Irish or Scots
>>429378
wait were there there m8
>>427259
They can lose alright
>>429388
*three
>>429388
No but Germany didnt start ww1 neither have they fault for it.
>>429384
In 1870 Bretons and Normans were a thing
>>428554
>maybe if we allowed germany to kill all the jews and slavs everything would be fine
>>427280
Actually he was an atheist who had been born as a lutheran who had jewish ancestry.
>>429415
ha haa
well memed ^^ :-D
>>427750
Hegel was into kabbalah.
>>429097
>Albrecht Babenboscher
Why do i read it as Alberto Barbarossa with the picture of a smiling nigga in my head?
>>427591
>>427609
>conveniently ignore that the Americans allowed Trotsky, the founder of the Red Army; to live in NY on a pension before being given safe passage to Russia by their own government, the Canadians, and the British
>the early Soviet regime was bankrolled by financial elites within the US
Operation Earnest Voice is in full force today.
>>429488
Continued.
>inb4 tinfoil accusations by retards who can't read
>>429438
Are you from /b/?
Please leave...or have a look into a history book.
Was Poland historically German territory? Did Slavs migrate there recently?
>>429199
The Irish have 100 million people in the diaspora.
>>429556
It was originally Polish and colonized by the Germans in the Middle Ages. Then after ww1, a border was drawn along ethnic lines. After ww2 Stalin just said "lol, fuck it" and polonized the whole of Konigsberg, Silesia and Eastern Prussia.
>>429577
>>429578
>>429556
It depends on how far back you go. The area was settled by Eastern Germanic tribes in 2-3 century AD, but they migrated south to became Goths and the rest was assimilated by slavs in 7-9th century, up to Elbe. Then Germans started to push back since 11th century onward and by 20th century they mostly assimilated slavs in Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia. Then WW2 happened and Stalin wanted to weaken Germany and to compensate Poland for the land it lost in the east so he made a new border on Oder, accidentally restoring Poland to 11th century borders. Millions of Germans became refuges and millions of Poles moved in to resettle the area.
>>429553
you mean the history books which would mention things such as the german invasion of france, of belgium, of giving austria the blank cheque, of dishing out ultimatums to other sovereign powers, that is, actions that are in no way compatible with your 'jerries dindu nuffin ;_;' memery?
>>429578
Saxon Sorbians!
>>427316
Every German had a little Jew in them. The Marxist intelligentia of the 1920's was overwhelmingly made up from Jews however. No wonder it was such a fertile ground for various antisemitic parties in the 20's, the Red Scare was a big part of the rise of Fascism.
>>427158
It started Austria's downfall so no
>>429184
>Ireland
>>429578
>be medieval german
>immigrate eastward
>"ooga booga we be wantin sum special rights"
>"estern yurop is for da germans!"
>"this land is ours now!"
This is exactly what people accuse Muslims of doing in Europe today. Germans confirmed for worse than Muslims
>>429763
>medieval germans migrated into slavic welfare state
This is /his/, everybody.
>>429609
Krauts dindu noffin, they were good goys, ignore belgian lies
>>427158
Disagree. Americans are the worst thing to happen to European civilization. Literally nothing good ever came from that tumor of a country.
>>429556
Part of Germany was used to make Poland after World War 1, yes.
>>429771
Not him but that is essentially what happened, not ooga booga welfare but they were indeed immigrants invited and granted privileges by the local kings, especially in places like Bohemia and Hungary.
>Bohemian king invites Germans to settle in Sudetenland
>700 years later
>SUDETENLAND SHOULD BE GERMANY BECAUSE GERMANS LIVE THERE
>>430362
To make an analogy, it would be like Turkey demanding annexation of the Turkish-speaking areas of Germany right now.
>>428836
>austria
>not german
>sudetenland
>not german
go read a history book
>>429155
so everyone is allowed to assist their allies, but when germany does exactly this, everyone gets asshurt?
how hypocrite can you get...
>>430471
Sudetenland was never German, it always belonged to the Bohemian crown.
>>430496
that doesnt change the fact that
a) the bohemian crown belonged to german royality for a pretty long time
b) sudetenland was full of germans, so why shouldnt they have a right to belong to their ethnical nation?
>>430518
>Germans invite Turks to a German city
>German city becomes majority Turkish
>Turks start crying about seceding
Does Turkey have a right to annex this city from Germany? Yes or no?
>>427204
this
If Kaiser Willy Two hadn't insisted on making such a big navy Britain wouldn't have hated them.
If Kaiser Willy Two hadn't been such an autist and hadn't pissed of the Russians then everything would have been fine.
Fuck Austria
>you will never live in a world where the German Empire annexes German Austria and dismantles them into several smaller states, including a German monarchy in Banat
https://www.change.org/p/united-states-president-european-union-assembly-european-union-forced-disassemblement?utm_source=guides&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_created
SIGN THIS PETITION FOR THE CHANGE WE'VE ALL NEEDED
>>431339
>If Kaiser Willy Two hadn't insisted on making such a big navy Britain wouldn't have hated them.
Alright, who decides who is allowed to have the biggest navy?
>>431387
The one's with the biggest navy.
>>431392
And did the guy with the biggest navy always have the biggest navy?
>>431398
Nah but they at least had what it took to remain at the top.
Something the Jerries didn't.
>>431402
>at least had what it took to remain at the top
>not even giving the other party to prove they can be at the top
I don't really know what Jerries are.
>>431417
>giving other people a chance to usurp your position
That's exactly how you lose your spot at the top.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_used_for_Germans#Jerry
>>431417
>*giving the chance
>>431423
>That's exactly how you lose your spot at the top.
This may be a logic reason to go to war with someone from the perspective of the guy with the spot at the top, but it's not justified from a morally, reasonable and ethically standpoint.
At least you are justifying declaring war over a dick waving contest. Like kicking someone in the crotch before he can take his dick out.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_used_for_Germans#Jerry
I guess that's fitting in some way.
>>429578
way to prove his point senpai, germans were a minority in all areas of the II Polish Republic
besides, it looks like that map considers every village where a few people know german as ethnically german clay
>>431443
>dickwaving contest
>entire empire built on control of the seas
>hostile power is building up a navy to contest that and potentially starve your island
>not a reasonable excuse to align yourself with said country's enemies
>>431443
Go read a book on geopolitics you insufferable idiot.
>Muh morals
>Muh sentimentality
>>431451
>>431455
It all comes back to:
>>431387 >Alright, who decides who is allowed to have the biggest navy?
Because fuck this country beyond repair with the Treaty of Versailles, so that the resentment can give birth to the monster that is called Nazi-Germany, because someone feared some more boats
I already said with>>431443 >This may be a logic reason to go to war with someone from the perspective of the guy with the spot at the top
That there really is some understandable logic behind it from the perspective of England. Jesus.
>>431478
Hindsight is 20/20, Champion.
There is literally nothing wrong with Germany
>>431478
You know it was the French that wanted to fuck Germany even harder, and only England and the USA calmed those fuckers down long enough to lighten the treaty
>>431490
It upsets the balance of power in Europe horribly. If all the german speaking territories were added it'd be even worse
>>431504
Right of self determination for everyone!*
*Except the Germans
>>431513
Well a north german and a south german state that aren't unified would make the situation easier
>>431513
Realistically no other state in Europe should want a unified Germany.
>>431519
For who?
>>431525
>self determination
>other state
Why does it matter?
>>431526
The rest of Europe. A unified Germany is too big to be just another country but way too small to be a total hegemon, so it really makes their relations with other countries awkward, especially when things go sour.
>>431531
Because the German state upset the balance after Westphalia and brought a new power who looked to stick it's dick in the race.
1871 caused a multitude of problems and set Europe on a one way path to self destruction.
>>431501
Honestly, I'm trying to find out who commanded germany to restrict its navy after WWI and I can't find out if it's either GB or France.
>>429742
Best answer so far in this thread.
AEIOU
>>431536
Sounds like Europe couldn't handle much if it only took one nation to throw off the balance? Also; why would it matter to the peoples of Germany what some country or the other thought of their unification? The people were well within their right to enjoy being part of Germany.
>>431534
And why would this matter to Germans? Why should any other country/people(s) get to do their thing with them being left behind? Sounds to me like the rest of Europe should've juts nutted up instead blaming German unification for everything that went wrong in Europe.
>>431552
>why would this matter to Germans?
Because Germans live in Europe? Living next to countries that all hate you and that you can't beat into submission is bad for the economy, and really bad for international relations
>>431552
>sounds like Europe couldn't handle much if it only took one nation to throw off the balance?
That's exactly it. The European powers had gone to great lengths to ensure that the right amount of power was in the rights hands following firstly Westphalia and then the French Revolutionary Wars. However, Germany presented a new problem. It was ambitious, young and believed it had something to prove. So it meddled. It meddled and meddled and ruined a careful alliance system which looked to alienate France and keep the rest of Europe in peace. By breaking important alliances to further it's own ambitions it ruined Europe. This is why no other nation in the area wanted a unified Germany.
The second part of your post is irrelevant.
>>431576
>"g-guys, could you stop determining your own f-fate... pls... t-the status q-quo we've created is a b-bit shaky...?"
Lame
>>431566
Bit much on the "everyone hated Germany front". They had pretty decent relations with large portion of Europe for a long time, untill things went tits up. So again; why would it matter what other countries 'want'?
>>431585
ok at this point I can only assume you're an autist who doesn't understand why keeping good relations with the surrounding people is important
>>431585
We're trying to have a political and historical discussion on why German unification was bad and you're coming in here like this is discussion on /pol/.
Fuck off.
>>431591
They did that pretty well untill Wilhelm started splerging out. So when exactly did they start actively being dicks towards anyone but the French?
Besides, if the status quo you've created is threatened by only one actor; you might want to reevaluate how potent it was to begin with.
Furthermore; Germany had inherited Prussia's role in the Holy alliance and even furthered their alliances with stuff like the League of Three Emperors and the Triple Alliance.
>>431598
>/pol/
Yeah, nice 'discussion' if your point can't even hold up to scrutiny, lmao.
>>431602
Constantly asking "why should they care?" Is not scrutiny when we're talking about geopolitics.
>>431610
Well yeah, fair point
>>431602
>pretty well for 30 years
>in its ~50 year history
Also
>threatened by one actor
It was an actor that the other nations knew they had no chance of stopping easily and they really didn't want it to happen
Really it's not that complicated why other countries didn't want a unified germany
It was basically a greater Prusdia, which was already military state. Expanding it couldn't do anything to ameliorate the situation
>>431339
>>431504
>>431519
>>431525
>>431534
>>431536
>>431566
>>431576
>>431613
so basically, the only thing you are saying is:
"hey germans, we cant deal with your nation, so suck it up and fuck your right for self determination. as the little hypocrits we are, we are just to comfortable with the current situation to give you the same right as any other nation, while still feeling morally superior."
>>434108
>self determination
?
The Germans ruled themselves and therefore had self determination. The other powers of Europe expected that the german people would stay divided between two countries as they had ever since Prussia became a thing.
Also, two notes: the other countries obviously didn't care about self determination as they all had colonies, and the Germans didn't either, because the Austrian Empire ruled over a laundry list of other peoples
>>434125
>The other powers of Europe expected
Well, that's where they were wrong then, weren't they?
>>434139
Ok?
>>434145
Yes
>>427212
Except without a unified Germany Russia would just have dominated European politics at the turn of the century
>>434167
>Except without a unified Germany Russia would just have dominated European politics at the turn of the century
>implying Germany isn't the force of good in Europe
>every time something is fucked up in Europe we fuck it up even more
>we pay for this with money, sweat and blood
>you frogs and tommys can blame it on us
>what follows is an even stronger and better Europe
Now, prove me wrong.
>>434185
>force of good
>fucks things up even more
>>434193
In a short term. We just fasten up the process and so spare europeans from unnecessary suffering
>>434193
The same can be said about literally every other player in Europe, save San Marino who is a good boy never din du nuffin bad
>>434125
and in their self determination, they decided to create one single state, just like any other major country in europe had done at one point in history.
as a free and sovereign people, why shouldnt they? because other countries fear for their power? well, than the proper question for this thread should be "european fear about the unification of germany is the worst thing to happen to europe"
>>434220
>they decided
*prussia forced
And I've said this a thousand times already, the other countries had legitimate fears of a unified, militarized Germany, and it would probably have been in the Germans' best interest to not unify
germanophiles fuck off
>>434228
>*prussia forced
>what is 1848
the german people wanted a united nation-state, and prussia delivered.
>probably have been in the Germans' best interest to not unify
best joke in this thread. germany is the leading force of the EU, although they were beaten in two world wars. a position they never could achieve without being a united country.
on the other side, there is not one positive effect for the german people for being divided.
>>434232
germanophobes should equally fuck off
>>434242
>1848
Pro tip: underground student societies don't count as the general populace
>the EU
Which was formed when Germany was divided for the second time. And regardless, we're talking about the Germany between 1871 and 1918
>>434259
>1848
>underground societies
Now you're just outright lying.
>>434263
The burschenshaften were illegal
>>434259
>Pro tip: underground student societies don't count as the general populace
thats bullshit, and you know it.
>Which was formed when Germany was divided for the second time
irrelevant. it started to dominate it when germany was re-united.
>we're talking about the Germany between 1871 and 1918
no, you were talking about how great it would have been for germans to stay divided. and thats just outright untruth.
germany was the leading force in science and innovation between 1871 and 1918, and today it is the power house of europe.
you still havent delivered one example why it would be better for germans to stay divided, so i must asume you are talking out of your ass because you fear the bad and scary germans.
>>434280
Saying the 1848 revolutions were only student unions and then misspelling BurschensChaften is a bit much. They took part in it, but weren't the main actors nor were they the only ones.
Amazing how terrified of a strong Germany Europe still is.
>>434281
>that's bullshit and you know it
No, most of the working class people were conservative when it came to political order, fearing change
>you're talking about how great it is that the Germans should stay divided
That's patenetly incorrect. I said that a unified Germany messed up the carefully constructed political order of Europe.
>>434300
>most of the working class people were conservative when it came to political order, fearing change
Literally peasant uprisings up the yin yang. Wtf are you blabbing about?
>>434307
Demanding food isn't the same as trying to redo the political structure of an entire region
>>434313
In a geopolitical sense
>>434322
explain why this would be better for the german people.
>>434315
>"Baden was the first state in Germany to have popular unrest, despite the liberal reforms.Baden happened to be one of the most liberal states in Germany. After the news of the February Days in Paris reached Baden, there were several unorganized instances of peasants burning the mansions of local aristocrats and threatening them."
Oh look, you're full of shite.
>>434340
Like I've said before, unifying Germany caused a lot of problems with the relations with other nations, especially after Bismarck left. If they hadn't unified, most of those problems wouldn't have happened to such an extent.
>>434315
You do know people can ask for both food and political change right? One doesn't exclude the other. In fact most revolutions have people asking for both.
>>434354
Literally who cares? The Germs wanted to be one state, and how is to say that they shouldn't be allowed? Just because some other twats on the other side of the border got ther panties in a twist? Honestly, what kind of stupid shit is this?
>>434355
Those two groups are typically fairly disjoint, even to the point where they infight excessively e.g. The french revolution
>>434354
so, the germans best interest would be to keep their head down like a good boy, so no one gets angry at them? ignoring the great things they could (and have) achieved as a united people?
doesnt sound very convincing to me, and im glad the germans arent (or at least werent) such a cuck-tier nation.
>>434366
you told me to explain what I meant in a geopolitical sense, and I explained it in a geopolitical sense. I don't see what's confusing you so much about this.
>>434382
>A people's own choosing doesn't count towards geopolitics
Oh boy.
>Russia
>Not the Plague of Eurasia
>>434376
No they aren't, revolutionaries exploit the feelings of the average man. They say that by changing the social order in a particular way that their living conditions will improve (that they will get better food security for example). The peasants want change because they believe that will mean more food. The desire for food and change is one and the same. Just because their is infighting doesn't mean that they don't still want change. Stop back-pedaling.
>>434385
>tfw WWI was fought between Central Powers and the Entente encircling them instead of League of Three Emperors v Liberal Powers
>>434382
so not being a nation is a better geopolitical situation for a nation, than being a nation? you make no sense, buddy. just admit you are upset the germans took the same right as any other nation.
>>434384
Geopolitics is mostly the politics of international relations and placation. Unifying all of Germany in a short time frame violated that placation tenant
>>434404
>violated
Like it's some codified law that the German people broke when they spoke their desire for unification.
>Geopolitics (from Greek γῆ ge "earth, land" and πολιτιkή politikē "politics") is the study of the effects of geography (human and physical) on international politics and international relations.
Gee, it's as if people themselves have an effect on geopolitics in general.
>>434403
>you are upset
I'm not at all, I'm not European so I don't have an emotional hat in the ring.
The better in a geopolitical sense was that it was better for all of Europe if GERMANY had stayed divided
>>434404
Funny how it took 44 years for war to break out. Maybe their are more factors then "Germany unified therefore World War 1 was doomed to happen". Also by this logic nobody should express their desires for liberty or security because it "disturbs the peace".
>>434409
Now you're just being petulant. There are general rules to geopolitics that leaders try to follow to avoid instability and violence
>>434420
>rules to geopolitics
Okay what are these "rules" and how did German unification break them?
>>434415
>The better in a geopolitical sense was that it was better for all of Europe if GERMANY had stayed divided
that isnt what you said, read your own posts. you said it would be better for the german people to stay divided, and now you are trying to do damage control.
>>434385
What possibly upset somebody so much that they felt compelled to make this picture?
>>434415
>The better in a geopolitical sense was that
France remained divided
UK remained divided
Russia remained divided
Poland remained divided
Italy remained divided
Spain remained divided
You're a broken record.
>>434420
Geopolitics is a method of studying foreign policy to understand, explain and predict international political behaviour through geographical variables. These include area studies, climate, topography, demography, natural resources, and applied science of the region being evaluated.
There are no rules to geopolitics, you mong.
>>434416
>there are more factors
I never said there weren't, but that german unification was one of the major background events that paved the way to the first world war.
>by this logic
And you're putting words in my mouth
>>434430
/pol/ has serious indepth discussions over who is and who is not white.
>>434436
>but that german unification was one of the major background events that paved the way to the first world war.
Like so many other things. Why not discuss those aswel? Why not talk about the ridiculous pan slavic movement spurring ethnic terrorism in Bosnia? Or everyone's willigness to go to war?
There is so much more to WWI than just Germany's unification and WWI could've been easily avoided even in spite of their unity.
>>434436
>And you're putting words in my mouth
nice way to dodge an argument. but his logic is conclusive, you cant deny that.
>>434436
So because the unification of their country was one of many causes of a global war that would happen in 44 years, the Germans shouldn't have formed a united country? Were the Germans supposed to be know in advance the complex web of events that caused World War 1?
German unification was bad because of the increased liberalism, not because of world wars that would've happened anyway.
>>427158
Stop right there, faggot.
Consider;
Exhibit A: Germany is responsible for the defeat of Russia in WW1 and its direct transition into a bunch of warring states for a period, before eventually coming about as the USSR.
Exhibit 2: Germany was instrumental in weakening the USSR to such a point where it could not fight the West and still hope for a good outcome.
Germany is the savior of Europe. Its Dark Knight, if you would.
>>434428
When I said better I meant it in a geopolitical sense
>>434434
And you're playing semantics. Geopolitics as a term refers to the politics of how countries deal with each other.
>>434427
Completely changing the structure of Central Europe in a very short timeframe goes against the more tempered approach preferred
>>434467
Meant to say Exhibit B. Sorry. On pain meds from wisdom teeth surgery.
>>434470
And yet everything about countries is shaped by the people. So again I ask you; why does it matter to the German people that other countries did not LIKE them unifying. Why couldn't they just abide the fact that Germany was there to stay, instead of spazzing out because they failed to compete with them?
By your measure it's shitty geopolitics on the side of the people that made such an easy to break status quo in Europe.
>>434470
>very short timeframe
Well it actually took a long time. Depending on where you'd like to cut the umbilical cord. There was a lot that went into the unification of Germany. It didn't happen overnight by any means. Also I'm still not seeing any rules Germany "broke". What is this "more tempered approach"?
>>434467
>Exhibit A
The worst thing to ever happen to Russia and most other countries in the former Russian Empire
>Exhibit B
It did not need to fight the West because it already controlled half of Europe thanks to Germany although it still could have invaded if it wanted and probably won because it had the largest and most experienced army the world had ever seen.
>>434447
>why not discuss those as well
Because the thread is about german unification?
>>434449
>his logic is conclusive
Except it isn't because I never said nor implied those things
>>434460
Given that any time a European country does a power grab, continental war breaks out afterwards (France, Spain), it wasn't unforseeable. It sucks that the Germans would have to be in separate countries but hey, c'est la vie
>>427259
Not to turn this into /pol/ but the final number is somewhere around 160-170 000, not 1 million.
>>434500
>OP: So do we all agree the unification of Germany is the worst thing to happen to European civilization since the black death?
There are many more things that were WORSE than German unfication. Especially in regards to "European Civilization" Whatever the fuck that means.
>>434500
you are so illogical its astounding.
>Except it isn't because I never said nor implied those things
the germans demanded the same right as any other country. i dont see were it would be inconclusive to compare that with people demanding liberty, e.g. rights.
you are refusing one group a certain right, so you have to live with assumptions that you would refuse other groups their rights as well. thats logic.
>>434500
>France
Well that was a lot more complicated than a power grab. There was a lot of conflict before Nappy started kicking in people's shit. Again people looked to him to protect them for foreign influence just like the Germans looked to Prussia to protect against foreign influence. Should the French not have rebelled because later it lead to the Napoleonic wars? I would say no and so would a lot of French people.
>continental war breaks out afterwards
See this is where I have a problem with your logic. Germany formed and then it took 44 years for anyone to declare war on them. A lot of things happened in between those events. France and Britain arguably took a lot more land inbetween those years. Why place the blame on German unification? Why are you trying so hard to make this parallel?
>>428554
sure is /pol/ in here desu
