Why was Agincourt such a shitshow?
>>423068
France cant, and never could into war
>>423068
Go to /tg/ and the the Osprey pdf hookup.
>>423068
Because the French all wanted a piece of the action and be the first to fight in what would be a great victory, the completely left behind the thousands of crossbowmen and common soldiers and went charging off.
Because the soil around Azincourt is sticky, even on a mild day. The field had been deeply ploughed and churned up even more by the cavalry components horses warming up, so they were marching into a sticky quagmire.
The French chose the battlefield which could have been a massive advantage, but both sides just sort of stood around until the English took the initiative and moved closer, making the French now fight on their terms.
A classic case of terrain trumping numbers. There were more French than English, but they couldn't all fit on the quite narrow field, funnelling them into a small space where their numbers actually proved a disadvantage.
Also letting agents scout, with all the French battle plans, be captured and then not changing the plan. That was a crap idea too.
>>423074
And yet they won the Hundred Years War. They won it so hard the English king had a massive mental breakdown and his advisors started a civil war over who to blame for losing.
Mud + cavalry charge
>>423192
The only cavalry charge at Agincourt was on the flanks, in the hope theyd break through and be fucking up the English from behind whilst the rest of the army advanced.
The heroic/stupid charge at Agincourt was done on foot.
>>423157
>They won it because the English king had a massive mental breakdown
Fixed
>>423068
Better question is where does the meme that the French knights were mounted when they charged comes from?
Both your pic and this retard >>423192 suggest it
In reality, the French charge was on foot.
It's very important because the main factor for its failure was the exhaustion caused by running for 1km in the mud while wearing heavy armor
>>423233
Probably the same place the meme that they were mown down with arrow fire comes from: A lot of the "popular imagery" surrounding Agincourt actually comes from Crecy almost 70 years earlier.
I'm not really sure why though, desu.
>>423228
He only had his breakdown after hearing of the loss of Bordeaux. Though he'd been fairly limp waisted and incompetent prior to that.
>>423074
>>423228
Trying to hard, britcuck
Why did you guys lose every medieval war you fought against the frogs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_War_%281202%E2%80%9314%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barons'_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saintonge_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Saint-Sardos
(+ the two widely know: 1066 and HYW)
>>423233
People mixing up Agincourt with other battles like Crecy.
The Olivier version of Henry V shows the French charging on horseback, which is the most popular depiction of the battle and has seeped into everyone else's portrayal.
Mud
>>423259
Facts from both battles tend to be mixed and branded as Agincourt for people outside Great Britain I'd imagine. Most people outside GB probably haven't even heard of Crecy.
French cavalry was forced into a muddy valley and then surrounded by man at arms. Any other answer is shit.
>>423068
>it had been pissing down before the battle
>french camped next to freshly ploughed field that was effectively a quagmire
>french get haughy and charge into the field and get stuck
>longbowmen kill the french while there bogged down
repeat last two until done
>>425592
>cavalry
>infantry
>valley
>open, flat field
>have shit bowmakers despite having the best trees for making bows
>just shit out a bunch of really really long bows to increase poundage instead of making composite bows
>win on account of mud
>long bows attain almost mythical status in the British mythos
Now that I think about it...
>mud at Agnicourt
>weather destroying Spanish invasion fleet
>weather keeping German recon planes from spotting the invasion of Normandy
Do the English have a weather machine?
>>425634
We wish... Do you really think we would let it piss down 365 days a year if we had any control at all over it.
>>425634
By Agincourt pretty much all yew for bow making was imported. England is one of the worst places for growing yew straight.
The longbow has a mythical status because Agincourt wasn't a one off. Being the weapon of THE English folk hero probably helps a lot too.
>>425634
They borrowed one from the Japs.
>>423068
ENGLISH ARROWS CAN'T PIERCE STEEL PLATES. AGINCOURT WAS AN INSIDE JOB
>>425634
>weather machine
Perhaps Shakespeare was right...
KING HENRY V
Come, go we in procession to the village.
And be it death proclaimed through our host
To boast of this or take the praise from God
Which is his only.
FLUELLEN
Is it not lawful, an please your majesty, to tell
how many is killed?
KING HENRY V
Yes, captain; but with this acknowledgement,
That God fought for us.
>>425678
Island nations larger than 50,000 sq miles are OP. Please nerf.
>>425696
Also, you are all now aware that Fluellen's dialogue is written in a wierd way in Henry V, because he has a ridiculous comedy Welsh accent.
>>423068
to be honest Agincourt was meant to be a french victory. The entire campaign was victorious for the frogs, they surrounded the britons, outnumbered them and could have easily destroyed them.
There's the mud, of course, but not only : The knights charged too early. They didn't listen to their commander, and all made a huge charge for glory.
Also I found a neat little map : http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/nord-pas-de-calais/azincourt-1415-d-ou-venaient-les-chevaliers-francais-morts-la-bataille-797853.html
It's the location of every known french knight who died at Agincourt.
>>423252
don't forget literally the most terrible 4 years of french resistance in 1914 - 1918.
>commander orders your french company to charge the enemy trench
>you and a handful of men make it to the other side
>the rest of the company ripped apart by bullets
>gained 10 yards
>victory
>>425654
lol
>>425586
In Czechia is Crecy far more popular than Agincourt because our king managed to get himself killed there.
>>426726
TOHO BOHDÁ NEBUDE
>>423252
>french
>calling anybody else a cuck
wew
>>423233
Later medieval plate weighed less than 50lbs
If yomping through a muddy field in about 3 stone of gear knackers you out you need to do more phys. Blame fat shit Frenchmen
>>429266
Internet tough guy detected
I'm sure you'd have no problem running for 1km in the mud with a 50lbs armor + 20 lbs sword + shield and with the visor lowered (= harder to breath)
Was it the incompotence of French generals that made them lose at agincourt and many other battles?
>>429280
Yeah, I wouldn't. For a start I run through mud with ~3 stone of kit+a rifle failry regularly on OTC exercises as well as playing rugby and lifting to a locally competitive standard.
Besides, they wouldn't have started running until they were within arrow range
>>429296
Forgot to say
>20lb sword and shield
Hahaha no, even a zweihander wouldn't weigh more than 10lbs (most swords were about 5) and shields were largely obsolete
>>426528
Reminder that the French accomplished all their pbjectives at day 1 of the Somme while the brits lost 20'000+ for pretty much no gains.
>>429296
>For a start I run through mud with ~3 stone of kit+a rifle failry regularly on OTC exercises as well as playing rugby and lifting to a locally competitive standard.
But I doubt you engage in melee fight afterward
Also, a muddy Rugby field is nothing like a wild one
>>429346
>Also, a muddy Rugby field is nothing like a wild one
Obviously, but a muddy field in Sennybridge is. And running through that for a few hundred yards may be a bit tiring but not enough to affect your effectveness.
>>429352
> implying that the mud in Sennybridge is as sticky and heavy as the mud at Azincourt
> implying that the fields in Sennybridge are recently ploughed about a foot deep
>>429363
>implying that the mud in Sennybridge is as sticky and heavy as the mud at Azincourt
Considering a lot of it is very boggy and putting your foot in the wrong place can end up in you going knee-deep (even when it hasn't been raining), I'd say it could be
>>429374
And does it then stick to you in big, heavy clumps?
>>425634
>>just shit out a bunch of really really long bows to increase poundage instead of making composite bows
Rain makes composite bows fall apart, they aren't suited to the weather of Northwest Europe
