why didn't George V save them?
>>412160
cuz he a bitch, nigga. Nicky sided with the wrong cousin. When you turn on the Kaiser, there Will be helm to pay.
>>412160
Because the mob known as popular democracy wanted to condemn them to their fates at the hands of the Revolutionaries.
Moral of the story: Never trust Democracy.
>>412160
He was already dead by the time the news got to London.
>>412219
Nicholas II was a cunt.
>>412452
>dude was a cunt
>better kill his family!
>>412464
ENOUGH
reminder that communist filth killed this qt in cold blood
>>412196
>helm to pay
>>412196
Fun fact; Will actually tried to save him and tried to arrange a train to take him to Germany
George V didn't want to grant the family aslyum because 1) Nicholas II and Alexandra were unpopular as fuck in England, 2) he thought it would spark revolutionary fervor in England, which was growing at that time and 3) unless the temporary government literally handed the family over, rescuing them would involve sending armed forces into the heart of Russia to fight their way to the family, get them, and fight their way outside of Russia.
However, the last point should be held with the caveat that 'rescue' was only necessary because the British government wouldn't take them when they were being offered up freely. The British ambassador to Russia entered into talks almost immediatley with the provisional government about sending them to England to safety. The provisional government agreed to do so, but George V, prime minister Lloyd George, and others in the upper ranks of the British government wouldn't take the necessary steps to go from talking about taking the family and actually taking them.
To emphasize how unpopular the idea of granting them aslyum in England was, note that there were actually articles in British newspapers saying that they hoped Nicholas and Alexandra and the family would not be granted British asylum, because it would be an insult to 'our Russian friends' whose revolution as a response to unjust treatment by our enemies (aka, Nicholas II & family).
>>412562
Not before they mingled fluids with her if you know what I mean...
Just a reminder of how brutal their executions were; the Bolsheviks commander in charge of the execution forgot to assign a set target for each man, and it was conducted in a enclosed room. All resulting in, once the shooting started, a wild disorganized scene which took 20 fucking minutes to accomplish which should have been done in 1:
From Viktor Netrebin's account
"The family of Citizen Romanov went into the room and arranged itself across the wall then we entered. Nicholas stood in front of Alexei. As I looked over my comrades' shoulders, I saw Alexei, sickly looking and waxy, watching with wide, curious eyes as he followed our movements. I suddenly thought how very short his sad life had been, and I silently prayed we would all be good shots.
The shooting was complete chaos. Vyrubova [sic] tried to protect herself with the pillows. After the first shots, I saw Alexei frozen in his chair, and his ashen face was covered with his father's blood as he sat there, unmoving in terror. One of the younger daughters died when she was shot in the back. Comrade Ermakov finished off a daughter by stabbing her in the chest over and over, and I remember Comrade Yurovsky shooting Tatiana in front of me; her head seemed to explode in a shower of blood and brains. The scene was sickening: the room was chaos, with blood and body fluids and brains all over the floor, and several comrades got sick at the sight."
>>412690
Wilhelm II = Best cousin ever.
>>412577
It's a pun on Wilhelm you dumb cunt
>>412772
>Comrade Ermakov finished off a daughter by stabbing her in the chest over and over
Ermakov later boasted that it was Anastasia he stabbed over and over. Ermakov was a sick fuck, though. He's the one who initially wanted Yurovsky to let him and his 'men' take the family into the woods to kill--god knows how brutal it would have been if Yurovsky agreed. At least the executioner you quoted seemed to have some sort of pity and wanted it over with quickly.
>tfw Ermakov's grave is routinely vandalized
>>412562
>>412832
These reactionary tears so sweet
>>412889
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Elisabeth_of_Hesse_and_by_Rhine_(1864%E2%80%931918)
BOLSHEVIK STRONK
>>412889
>hurrr look at these people who don't approve of murdering politically useless women and children
>>412907
>Murder is only ok when people we deem "noble" do it
>>412910
Where did I say that at all? Where did anyone in this thread say that?
Oh wait, I'm expecting edgelords to use logic. My bad.
They were already doomed due to Rasputin's spell.
>>412904
>Bolsheviks are psychopaths
What a surprise.
>>412910
>Murder is okay when Bolsheviks do it
>>412914
>I got a boner looking a picture of a girl who died nearly 100 years ago
>Therefore communism is ebil and communists are all edgelords!
>>412930
I mean, are today's communists not edgelords? 90% of the time they're social rejects/fedora tippers. (I'm not him)
>>412930
Winter break came early, eh?
>>412937
Why are the social rejects considered edgy? I get the fedora tippers for sure but why the social rejects? It may seem that people who (openly) say that they're communists are just doing it to be edgy, but myself and I imagine others genuinely think that communism is either an inevitability, or a viable model for civilizations.
>>412910
>murder, lies, looting, rape, genocides are ok if it's for the revolution
>>412713
>revolution as a response to unjust treatment by our enemies
yeah, they had it coming... and that's how monarchies get substituted by republics leading to an ultimately unavoidable wiping of the whole bloodline - but for fuck sake killing women and children is so morally wrong
it would be like today bashar al-assad's family getting brutally murdered by the revolutionaries and/or terrorists... i would be ok with his face being smashed by a rock but killing everyone around would be such a disgusting act
>>413158
>he thinks Assad is worse than the Army of Conquest
It turns out the U.S. lied about him using chemical weapons (chemical weapons were used, but it was proven that the rebels were the ones using them). Don't you think you might want to reconsider whether or not you want the Army of Conquest to run Syria?
>>413158
As terrible as it sounds, you have to go after any possible heirs lest they come back later and try to reclaim the throne.
That's part of the issue revolutionary France had.
>>413184
Also, don't forget that the PKK backs Assad, and look at what they accomplished
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava#Democratic_Confederalism
>>413197
Oh there's no question that what the Bolsheiviks did was horrible. But there was a logic to it beyond "fuck the nobility."
Just condemning a terrible act without looking into the reasons behind it takes away from the real horror of it - that the perpetrator most likely believed they were justified.
>>412804
It was also a pun on pickelhauben.
>>413189
>As terrible as it sounds, you have to go after any possible heirs lest they come back later and try to reclaim the throne.
Russian women have no claim to the throne.
The reason they killed the entire family (down to the daughters, teenage boy, servants and all but one dog)was, to quote Trotsky, in order to: "frighten, horrify, and dishearten the enemy, [and] also in order to shake up our own ranks to show that there was no going back."
Basically: "we are willing to slaughter women with no political power or claims. Do you really want to keep fighting against us? Do you want to even think about stepping out of line now?"
![portugal_25abril1974[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VZSsfSU.jpg "portugal_25abril1974[1].jpg")
>>413184
instead of making baseless assumptions you could simply give me a credible source about the claim the rebels used chemical weapons
still... i could "be rooting" for the free syrian army but since they sold their souls to the devil while the rest of the world watched them being massacred i can no longer support anyone in the conflict
>>413189
i know,that was exactly my point.
for example,in portugal we had a revolution in 1974;it was known as the "carnation revolution" because instead of starting an armed rebelion the army decided it was a better idea to place a carnation on the muzzle of their rifles to propagate the idea of peace.
needless to say that 40 years later most of the families deposed by the coup are still around making a buck in somehow related activities to those they were doing before
so it might be ultimately necessary for a revolution to succeed or else it would be just a tail wagging to scare the flies that would come back later-but i still couldn't do it
>>413227
>"frighten, horrify, and dishearten the enemy, [and] also in order to shake up our own ranks to show that there was no going back."
lel sounds exactly like something charles manson would say
>>413239
At least it's better than back during the French Revolution when the Monarchs of Europe decided they needed to go to war with France seven times because France absolutely needed a Bourbon king.
>>413227
>tfw there's no "does the dog die?" for history
>>412713
Basically this.
>>413239
>instead of making baseless assumptions you could simply give me a credible source about the claim the rebels used chemical weapons
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf
>>413261
for me the major irony was to start a massive coalition to destroy the "usurper" and let the ideas they defended be the weight keeping them down.
e.g.: no social mobility - which made stupid shits be in charge of thousands of lives on the battlefield because they were naturally better due to their noble blood
while in the grande armée if you were good you could start as a foot soldier and end up being a marshal thus maximizing the men's moral and efficiency (plus the whole "liberté, egalité, fraternité" ideals/propaganda) while the others usually fought because the king said so
>>413192
You're confusing the PKK with the YPG
>>412452
Not really, just useless and indecisive
Nicholas was a family man who didn't like ruling, but saw it as a necessary burden
Bloody Sunday (which people have attributed to Nicholas) was ordered by his uncle (Grand Duke Vladimir?) since Nicholas wasn't even in St. Petersburg
However I do understood the strategic reasons for his execution
Alexandra kind of deserved it for letting a charlatan from a Siberian BDSM cult influence her decision while Nicholas was at the front
The children, servants, and dogs literally dindu nuffin
Also this is his post-abdication diary
>http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/ndiaries1917.html
>>413239
>i can no longer support anyone in the conflict
I'd support Assad, if you don't want the Syrian branch of Al Qaeda running the country. Assad's government is largely secular, that is why Saudi Arabia hates it.
>>413298
Democratic confederalism is an explicitly PKK ideology, they came up with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Confederalism
This is why the U.S. has such negative sentiments about Rojava
>When it comes to Rojava, Russia is approaching the Kurds with a significant amount of caution as it does not want to open up another military front against Assad. The USA however, is openly hostile towards Rojava. The USA went as far as not allowing entrance to Salih Muslim into the USA for a conference. During the Geneva Conferences, despite Russia's insistence, the USA was adamant in blocking an independent Kurdish delegation from attending the conference. Currently, both the USA and the Turkish government are imposing their policies on Rojava through the agency of the KDP. However, it can't be said that they are being successful.
>>413302
>The children, servants, and dogs literally dindu nuffin
the dog was a part of the rebel alliance and a traitor
>>413294
Well it also helped that France had completely revamped their military, allowing them to mobilize an ungodly amount of men.
>>413318
They shot the dog?
>>413316
The PKK backs Assad
http://www.tamilguardian.com/article.asp?articleid=4676
>>413315
>A report by Interpol published in 1992 states that the PKK, along with nearly 178 Kurdish organizations were suspected of illegal drug trade involvement. Also Interpol's chief narcotics officer Iqbal Hussain Rizvi stated in 1992 that the PKK was also heavily involved in drug trafficking, but didn't show any evidences[115] Members of the PKK have been designated narcotics traffickers by the U.S. Department of the Treasury.[64] However, The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany's domestic security agency, echoed this finding in its 2011 Annual Report on the Protection of the Constitution, stating that despite the U.S Department of Treasury designation, there was "no evidence that the organisational structures of the PKK are directly involved in drug trafficking".[116]
>>412959
Well anon, then you might be clinically retarded.
>>413322
Looks like it. Pandora's box once opened can't be closed, and once subhuman scum tastes blood they go in a frenzy rampage killing everything in sight.
>>413335
>>413325
BASED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QwfpdBz6wY
>>413322
Two of them. Anastasia carried her lapdog with her when they were told to go into the basement. The dog either died during that massacre or was shot afterwards. His body was later found by the Whites. Another dog was killed in the house when they went back to go through the family's things, because it kept barking. His body wasn't found by there were some dog bones later found near the area that could have been his.
The third dog--Alexei's--was kept alive by a Red guard until they fled the area. The Whites found it at the house, half-starved, and it was taken out of Russia to Britain, where it died some years later.
Actually, the dog in the photo I posted (Joy) is the one that lived.
>>413325
I don't know, mang... PKK sounds too much like a terrorist organization similar to hamas and they even have a similar rivalry against a rotten nation (israel and turkey - both deserving to be nuked for decades now)
But the kurds are still probably one of the last revelevant people in the middle east and to me they're very similar to the scottish before the annexation in terms of history/principles: honorable and courageous but always repressed by a bigger dog
>>413325
Even better
Also they get Turkey assblasted like no other
>>413325
>>413316
>>413354
>>413379
There is another good friend who is fighting for assad.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-soldier-motorola-seen-fighting-in-syria-2015-9
>>413285
i won't be able to read all of that today but for now i see too many "if's" and "may's"
and i find it quite hard to trace an attack like that with an high degree of certainty
but whoever launched that shit is a fucking psycho
if it was assad he knew he would probably trigger a coalition against himself and lose the little support he had outside at the time
if it were the rebelious it would be even worse since they bombed themselves in order to cause a wave of sympathy and revenge
>>413418
If they honestly completely and totally used "chemical weapons", do you think he would still be in power today?
Really?
There's a reason the media dropped it, because he didn't do it.
He even drove the UN reporters out there.
>>413334
Ebin man, simply ebin
P.S. xD
>>413390
>immoral mercenaries
why do they take so long to die?
>>413459
>What is a vanguard
>What is emancipation of the proletariat
But go on just calling me a ebil gommunist
I would support Assad if he wasn't allied with the Russians. Russians are literally the worst scourge this planet has ever seen.
![1146554_601050146613630_1321152257_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zwk17Ya.jpg "1146554_601050146613630_1321152257_n[1].jpg")
>>413436
i'm pretty sure they did since there's footage (inb4 propaganda) of the people killed in the attacks - deaths with no wounds and survivors struggling to breath
>pic related: just look for "Ghouta chemical attack" and check for yourself the veracity of the attacks or non-attacks
>>413459
>He is fighting for what he believes in
following that logic the romanov where just in the wrong place at the wrong time and were just victims of the circumstances and the communists did nothing wrong
>He has some pretty great stories
i bet he does and most of them involving war crimes
>>413470
Explain to me, ideological failure, what is a "vanguard" and why are you no different from the people who support the "evil" and "oppressive" regime of global capitalism?
Please, because for every time I see your retarded ass in any thread, calling everyone "reactionaries", which you can't even define, I just laugh.
Go ahead child.
Explain it.
>>413492
>killing coffins
>war crimes
Kek, you're a Ukrainian arnt you.
>>413492
Literally propaganda.
>>413492
He's not questioning whether or not the attacks happened, he's questioning if it was Assad's guys that did it.
This thread was about Nicholas II and the Romanov family...
![warcrimes+17yrs+8[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/heDvRkk.jpg "warcrimes+17yrs+8[1].jpg")
>>413499
>Kek, you're a Ukrainian arnt you.
n-no, thanks... portuguese but i wouldn't have any problem to call brother to any ukranian fighter
>pic unrelated: not torture not being commited by putin's lapdogs/mercs against actual civilians defending their homes from the tzar's urges for imperialism
>>413495
Reactionary - Typically a conservative group, most concerned with maintaining of the status quo or current system.
Vanguard - The group of class-conscious revolutionaries who are supposed to either start or lead the revolution. This can include the most educated of the proletariat, or the most willing to start a revolution.
And here comes the part where you say something along the lines of "communism only works on paper" or "human nature", before ultimately resorting back to ad hominem. After which I'll decide it's not worth the time or effort to explain socialist concepts to someone who refuses to listen or consider opposing viewpoints. Finally you'll say how communism 60 gabillion dudes, and therefore is nowhere near as radical as the mystical and mysterious power of "the Invisible Hand of the Free-Market" (PBUI).
>>413519
>having files labeled "war crimes"
You're a coffin in Portugal.
Don't lie now.
Interrogation is not a war crime, regardless.
>pooteen is some big scary communist tzar monster!
>>412562
wasnt there some rumor about her being send to asia?
>>413529
>literally write "russia ukraine warcrimes" on google and look for a representative image
>ur a goffin rnt u :DD
i don't even know what the fuck is a coffin!
and most war crimes are commited during interrogation whether during or before just to break the men's spirit - and believe it or not wrecking someone's face until he's in a bloody pulp to get information is still torture and that's still a war crime but i'm pretty sure those sadistic animals couldn't care less about information and just do it for pleasure...
>>413418
It was physically impossible for him to be behind it.
>>413476
Compared to Turkey?
>>413528
>Typically a conservative group, most concerned with maintaining of the status quo or current system.
Incorrect. You're using nothing but an appropriation of the term, nothing can ever be used to describe the "status quo" because not even the neo-cons you're describing want the status quo.
Read a fucking book.
>The group of class-conscious revolutionaries who are supposed to either start or lead the revolution. This can include the most educated of the proletariat, or the most willing to start a revolution.
Nothing but a self justification for a hypocrite sitting in a cesspit of ideological failure. You're trying to include yourself in the line of "I'm not the bourgeoisie! Proletariat!" as you get skewered upon the bayonet of your "fellow" proletariat. The line you're drawing is arbitrary, and you just wish to benefit from the ultra violence that ensues.
hence your obsession with Stalin and telling people they will die.
The rest of your post is an obnoxious straw man, proving none other that you have no individual grasp of the concept, so you wish to just avoid the topic all together by saying
>its not worth my time
Of course you completely reject any notions that actually combat your ruinous and totalitarian ideology, namely the ones you pointed out, such as human nature, or that Communism only works when there is no state, and no outside competitive pressures that eventually destroy it. Or that somehow the death of every individual due to colonialism, imperialism, wars, and so on are all caused by capitalism, and the deaths caused by communism are either exaggerated (see my soviet source!) or not their fault
And no, I'm not a defender of the "free" market, because it doesn't exist, it never can as long as restrictive governments exist.
However, it is the best alternative for a stable society based on moderate growth. The problem is its infectious nature, that plagues both communism and capitalism. Subversive to the nth degree.
Neither are acceptable.
>>413476
>I'd support Assad, but only if he accepted no help whatsoever and just let the West kill him and install al Qaeda in his place
Are you for real?
>>413557
>dehumanize those who I oppose
>everything they do is war crimes
I see nothing but some ruffing up, and its not even proof that its Russians.
>I dont know what a coffin is
Ukrainians call their soldiers "Cyborgs", go type into google translate and listen to it.
Then go type "coffin" in.
Coffin is cyborg backwards.
Russians made up the term to make fun of Ukrainian autism.
>>413568
>T*urkey
FTFY
>>413528
>mfw Hayek already BTFO socialists
>they still think they can recover by rewriting the rules of the economy to fit their perfect ideal
Oh I'm laughing.
>>413569
Here's to (You)
>>413476
Russia, whatever wickedness they have done and are capable of, is literally the savior of humanity here, they are trying to save the Middle East from becoming a Wahhabi shithole that launches constant attacks against the West. The U.S. is in bed with Saudi Arabia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mowe4ojo_iY
>>413595
Exactly what I expected from an infantilist.
>>413597
>savior of humanity
Or they're just trying to save the influence they have in the region. And their naval base.
>>413619
I don't care what their motivations are.
>>413619
>U.S. has been constantly destabilizing the middle east by toppling strong central, secular leaders
>WAAAA STOP STEPPING IN AND RUINING OUR PLANS
:<
>>413528
>most concerned with maintaining of the status quo
Status quo ante, actually.
>>413583
>dehumanize those who I oppose
>implying i needed to do that when they did it on a daily basis while the conflict lasted
from shelling civilians to urban areas for no reason but "we have shit that explodes (all rights reserved by the motherland ©) and we want to use it" to destroying civilian flights for giggles and shit because like everyone knows there's no difference between a jet fighter/attack helicopter/whatever the ukrainians use and a boeing
and if all of that and much more wasn't necessary, you also have the arbitrary acts of violence against captured soldiers which range from vicious attacks against unarmed captives by these thugs to force feeding them their insignias
>>413625
How did you get that out of my post?
>>413601
All you have done is claimed the definitions I provided were wrong, based on the assumptions you made about me as a person (whom you have never personally known). Additionally you argued that the definitions presented were wrong because it didn't fit the one that you had already invented for yourself before I even begin typing my post. If you want to legitimately argue about the definitions of both vanguard, and reactionary, let me know, until then don't let be interrupt your shitflinging tantrum.
>all this off topic
lel
>>413640
>deflecting criticism with general parodies and completely unrelated insults
well, besides the part of speaking english, you're also a living stereotype of the common russian
too bad your dreams of grandeur will never be anything but dreams of something that never happened and will never happen... but not all is lost - you people are still great and dying en masse when necessary and when not necessary at all.
>>413678
>shitposting tantrum
>communists cant even into discussion
I didn't dispute the "definition" of vanguard, I just told you why you're an ideological failure.
Anyway as another anon said, Hayek has already made you irrelevant for all of history. But I doubt you'll read outside of anything other than those little red books.
Like I said, you're an infantilist.
>>413697
*tips respectfully*
>>413721
>shitposting tantrum
>>413757
(You) (You) (You) (You) (You). That should hold (You) over
>>413784
>(You) (You) (You) (You) (You). That should hold (You) over
he was kinda busy fighting a war
>this same autistic communist always memeing and never actually discussing anything
>its not worth my time
>*tip*
Sigh, its sad that that faggot represents a similar position as the rest of well read leftists.
>>413517
qts
Killing people isn't cool. Necessary? Yea sometimes. Cool? No.
Killing someones daughter for being someones daughter? Really not cool.
>>413158
>i would be ok with his face being smashed by a rock
I guess you'd be okay with a sharia state too.
>>412690
Was that after or before he sent Lenin?
>>413334
Thank god there are sane people on /his/ i am depressed every time a thread about politics or Russia is made and see how many actual lefties are there here who spout retarded communist shit.
>>412713
>sending armed forces into the heart of Russia to fight their way to the family, get them, and fight their way outside of Russia.
Best idea for an alternative history action story ever
>>412160
Good night sweet royal family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN2JUMrCFe0
>>412910
That's 100% correct
>>417311
http://imgur.com/gallery/kXjMk
>>413594
Austrian economics are literally pseudoscience what the fuck are you talking about.
>>417503
>literally psudoscience
Go ahead, explain then.
