People are always talking about historical inaccuracies in movies. What are some of the most historically accurate movies out there? Pic obviously unrelated
>>409404
Tora Tora Tora is pretty accurate.
Which is why its so fucking boring.
>>409430
He's actually got a PhD in History; he knows more than you.
>>409404
There isn't one. Some odious tosser will always complain about the buttons being from the wrong decade or the uniforms being too green or the dirt road being wrong or the crops being wrong or the lighting being too bright.
Pic unrelated...
Maybe, possibly Theirs is the Glory, seeing as most of the actors were real soldiers in the battle it's portraying.
>>409438
<citation needed>
>>409444
>Theirs Is The Glory
This looks pretty incredible. Probably not another film like it our there
>>409404
My history teacher said Braveheart was the most historically accurate movie he's ever watched
I quite enjoy Alexander for attempting to portray the time period in as correct a frame as possible.
The historical events are all thrown together to form a cohesive narrative. But it does depict a proper macedonian phalanx, cavalry charge, non-cliché greek soldiers and most of all - it isn't filled with moral relativists like all other historical films.
Gettysburg? It was adapted, literally line for line, from the Killer Angels. Granted, the conversations are nearly all speculative but for a 6 hour movie? It leaves nothing uncovered.
Do series count?
>>409404
>What are some of the most historically accurate movies out there?
The Patriot
Saving Private Ryan
Pearl Harbor
The Thin Red Line
>>410032
I looked at the battles in Troy the other day, the Greeks had Hittite shields for some reason?
>>410135
>Saving Private Ryan
That was not accurate, there was uproar from D-Day survivors over that.
>>410135
lel
>people will fall for this
>>410032
That film was awful, truly the biggest letdown ever.
>>410080
Iirc, the soldiers were all veteran reenactors. It was a very accurate film.
>>410144
>uproar from D-Day survivors over that
Really? All I heard was many of the veterans walking out of theaters because the scene was so realistic.
Black Hawk Down, Platoon. Generally the more recent events are depicted more accurately.
>>410080
Gettysburg gets the 'looks' right but it is way too sappy and inaccurate esp. with regard to the southern commanders. Who all just happen to be complete gentlemen fighting for liberty and freedom and don't want this terrible war at all and when the idea of slavery is entertained for a brief moment, it is only so it can be denounced.
>>410166
That happened to my grand father. He made it a few minutes in and had to leave. He wasn't on the beaches but parachuted in the morning of.
>>410192
Longstreet held no slaves. Armistead, who gave the speech in the scene I believe you're referencing, did not either. He was a military lifer.
>>410208
This wasn't my grandfathers first World War 2 film. And yes, portraying battlefield conditions accurately does add to a films historical....accuracy.
Fuck you're stupid.
>>410234
>does add to a films historical.
You just omitted that you're wrong, then you call me stupid?
>>410028
>>410151
You can get a history degree without studying anything from prior to the 20th century. It shouldn't be suprising that some historians and history teachers don't know much about something. The subject is so broad that it's almost mandatory to specialise in something. A teacher interested in steam technology and the industrial revolution might not even know that the beaker people even existed or that the war of the Spanish Succession happened.
Even a medieval historian has so many topics to choose from they may not know what's wrong with Braveheart if they hadn't covered medieval Scotland or England or medieval warfare.
>>410032
flashbacks and fuccboi drama
>>410270
The .... was a literary pause. As in, I can't believe I have to spell this out for you.
There is a reason why Saving Private Ryan's battlefield conditions portrayal is heralded and The Longest Day's is not.
Historical accuracy makes movies boring since real life doesn't work like the structure of a 2 hour movie.
That being said there's still no excuse for some movies being so inaccurate.
>>410365
Pic related is probably the best single example of being TOO historically accurate.
The film is more or less spot on with it's accuracy (with the exception of it's retarded attempt to make slavery not seem all that bad), but the actual movie itself is complete shit. Stephen Lang's performance is basically the only good thing about it.
Gettysburg was a better Civil War movie purely because it focused on a single battle and didn't try to portray like 3 years of fighting in 4 hours.
>>410436
Downfall was historically accurate as fuck. A nearly 2 hour film set mostly in a fucking bunker. Yet it was very engaging and entertaining.
Plus the bitch playing Traudl was hot as fuck.
>>410456
Expanding on what you said, and my Gettysburg comment, I guess what i'm trying to get at is that autismal historical accuracy works best in a really, really specific scenario or situation rather than a film that tries to cover a really broad topic.
>>410208
Well if you're talking about the story of Saving Private Ryan, yeah, it's fictional. What's your gripe?
>>410461
I see. Yeah you're right.
Sidenote, does anyone wish the scene in Pearl Harbor where FDR is talking to the war cabinet actually happened?
Historical Accuracy in movies:
God Tier:
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Good Tier:
>The Longest Day
Mid tier:
Alexander, Spartacus, Zulu
Low tier:
Braveheart, The Patriot.
Shit tier:
300 (duh), Gladiator, Caligula, most movies that portray combat without formations.
Tang Dynasty best Dynasty!
well for tv shows a good one is Fall of Eagles made back in the 70s?i thought it was excellent
anyway,the longest day,zulu, the pianist
and a bridge to far was alright..some stuff was wrong with it but meh
>>410512
300 isn't a historical movie. Might as well include LOTR and Star Wars if you include 300.
>>410456
Shit was so realistic it makes Jew mad because Nazis were portrayed as human beings
10/10 drama
>>410512
The first 20 minutes of gladiator are not that bad.
>>410512
Why is The Longest Day greentexted? I was planning on watching it today.
>Go see Inglorious Bastards with large group
>Friends of friends come
>One guy at the end asks if that's how Hitler went out
>Convince him yeah, it was
>>410650
I originally had
>there are not movies in this category
But then I remembered the Longest Day. Forgot to remove the greentext though.
>>410636
Just because it's based on a comic doesn't change that it is based on an event when the comic is based on the event. It's more akin to complaining about the historical accuracy of War Horse than LOTR or Star Wars.
>>410699
It's based on historical events the same way Life of Brian or Excalibur is. Or even Conan the Barbarian.
>>410167
>Black Hawk Down
lmfao
>>410719
How many of those are based on an actual event specifically laid out with the names of the people at the battle, using the historical places, etc? This fake history apologism is so fucking retarded.
>bawww, it wasn't based on the actual battle!!!!
>used the name of the battle, the commanders at the battle, the belligerent forces at the battle, etc. Really only making stylistic changes and changes to equipment, weapons, and focusing on modern ideals.
Bitch, please, it's like saying "The Battle of the Bulge" movie, shit though it is, isn't based on history.
>>410751
Is life of Brian based on historical events? It explicitly is, as it takes place in a 1st century Judea during Jesus' times.
Do you see anyone crying that Brian didn't actually exist, that he couldn't have written grafitti in English on the walls etc? No, nobody cares because it's a fucking comedy. And 300 is a fucking fantasy film.
>>410764
This is why it is different: The 300 Spartans DID exist, Leonidas DID exist, Xerxes DID exist.
If Life of Brian was literally the story of Jesus with changed equipment, stylistic combat, changes in morality, then it would be comparable to 300.
>>410779
[samefag here]
In fact, I would be willing to say that Braveheart, the Patriot, and several other films no one says aren't based on history change significantly more about actually important stuff than 300 does.
>>410779
Where's the outrage about this film?
>>410828
>implying there isn't any
Haven't seen it.
But, srlsly, I supposed Braveheart, Pearl Harbor, The Patriot, etc. are also just fantasy?
>>410512
Gladiator is fucking awesome though.
>>410898
I think it's sufficient to say that a movie with Transformers-tier action sequences and magic is fucking fantasy.
>>409404
Master & Commander.
>>410898
Pearl Harbour is a romance movie that was supposed to be called Tennessee until Pearl Harbour was thrown into the mix to secure US military dollarydoos.
>>411008
Braveheart &the Patriot? I will give you Pearl Harbor due to my intense hatred of its Romance, but action sequences aren't everything, and, overall, Braveheart & the Patriot probably change more about the actual history than 300 does.
>>411092
I was talking about 300 you utter imbecile.
>>411108
And, again, that is purely stylistic (though it makes me angry too), apart from that, wardrobe, and political ideals, what does it change about the actual history?
Compare that to Braveheart, which changes all of the above, as well as significantly altering William Wallace's military campaigns.
Why did Japan attack the US in Pearl Harbour?
What was the point? Why not simply continue conquering china and stuff?
>>411017
The French were Americans in the book, so I hear
>>411092
The Patriot is obviously fictionalized but the relationship between Martin/Burwell vs Cornwallis has some threads of truth in the actual use of guerilla units by Nathanael Greene against Cornwallis.
Highly recommended.
>no one talks about this based movie.
You guys suck. The commitment to period accuracy was fucking on point. They fired cannons for sound effects and built an actual 1:1 replica ship that worked. Amazing. The music wasn't period correct but I'll forgive them that.
Damn master and commander was the goat.
>>411533
I don't really know how historically accurate it was but it was definitely a fucking awesome movie.
>>411533
>and built an actual 1:1 replica ship that worked
No, but they did actually buy a legit ship of the period from Canada, renovating it to match British designs of course. They also had an awesome "miniature" for otherwise unfilmable scenes, which was about the size of a small bus.
>>411533
A similar Gibson classic that is often cited as being the most historically accurate of the three bounty films made.
>>409404
Check out these sweet Byzantine costumes. The message had some of the best historically accurate costumes I've seen for that period.
>>410135
>Pearl Harbor
is that where they say "Japan attacked us, WW2 is about to start!" or something like that?
