What was life like for the average person in Nazi Germany?
Like the book 1984
>>399518
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>>399472
Similar to any other european life. Exept they had modern health campaign such as "cigarettes are bad for your health ! Even the fuhrer stopped smoking" and of course anti jewish propaganda.
The common mistake is to believe germans were different from us in the way they handled their population.
Diabolisation of nazism is still strong nowadays but in fact even america liked the national socialism movement before the war.
>>399472
1933-1939? pretty good, unemployment down, inflation under control, communists stop bombing shit, law and order for the most part (at least on the outside)
>>399518
only if you were a jew or anything else that Hitler didnt like
also they didnt really brainwash the population either
Better then in the Weimar republic, still it never reached the quallity of live the people had in the Second empire (compared to their times ofc.)
>>399518
Nah son. Neville Henderson and Shirer didn't seem to indicate anything remotely to 1984 in either of their memoirs or writings. Speer didn't either even though he may be impartial according to some.
>>399518
So it was like modern day America?
>>400163
yeah, except you could be thrown in a death camp for talking shit about the government, or for just being a part of a group of people hitler didn't like.
here u go
I don't really want to start a new thread because I'm not sure if it's necessary
Why did people stand by their Jewish faith if history has always been so harsh towards them?
Do they have true faith?
>>400458
yeah instead they leave their country living in fear of being deported
>>400462
Maybe if they'd stayed inside their own borders, the USSR wouldn't have had to smash their little strudeljerk.
>>400462
I literally wrote that 2 years ago as a piece of fiction
>step out
>see this
>>401044
ebin
>>400462
>Combat soldiers could get near Hitler without handing over their weapons
>There was no anti-American propoganda
>muh Autobahn (a project of the Weimar Republic)
>Hitler loved his people
>"Hans Schmidt"
Seems legit
>>400462
>to snitch on our parents was frowned upon
absolute bullshit
>At the very time when America's allies, the Soviets
I mean yeah, we were 'Allies', but it was more of an Enemy Mine scenario. Besides, just cause some Cossack commies were doing awful things doesn't excuse some Tectonic fascists doing the same
>destroyed most of the Christian churches in Russia and Ukraine
What's Kristallnacht?
>No small businessman was stopped from opening his own store.
Unless, you know, he was Jewish or Black or Gay or yada yada yada
>six million unemployed
Not the most famous time that numeral has been used in German statistics
>German movie industry produced about 100 feature films per year
>50 were propaganda
50 per year? Or over all? If it's per year then that's literally half the movies (which sounds accurate), if it's over all I have a hard time believing that.
>Jesse Owens is shown several times and mentioned favorably
Oh you Jerries sure did love ol' Jesse, Mr. Hitler was a BIG fan
>the entire last paragraph
just nah
>Germany under Hitler was quite different from what the media would have you believe
Media? Are you referring to history? The Media stopped covering Hitler's Germany in '45
>>402116
>Tectonic
I'm a fucking idiot. *Teutonic
>>399472
America Now.
>>402116
Commies killed like a million cossacks my friend, back when there weren't that many cossacks to even go around
>>402116
>black and jewish people are now German citizens
Plus the rest of the bullshit you posted.
All you did is say "no that's not right" to personal testimony.
>>400462
You know even if this was 100% genuine, the dude was a fucking kid. Unless you had some really abusive parents or something, you'll have nostalgic feelings about your childhood.
>>403021
He was in the HJ and in the SS I believe. He went to war.
If you go to Bavaria and get to know the people and come to their house parties, they still like Hitler and National Socialism.
I've also interviewed a man who was in the HJ, he said the same thing about.
Question; if you were a Yid living in Germany when the Nazis came into power, were you given the opportunity to leave the country, or were you simply rounded-up regardless of whether you wanted to stay or leave?
>>403032
Most were middle class and had more wealth than the majority of Germans, I doubt they would leave
>>402116
I honestly thought you're gonna actually refute that post and instead you managed to deliver a catastrophic shitpost.
>commie cossacks
>blacks in Germany (all of the 100 odd Namibians I guess)
>Kristallnacht somehow related to churches
>>400462
I don't even know what to believe anymore.
>>401024
Well USSR wasnt staying in their borders either.
>>403032
If you left, you had to leave behind all your assets, including cash.
You basically were allowed to leave with the coat on your back, which also made it basically impossible to leave, because no one wants immigrants who can't support themselves for longer than an afternoon.
Which is why you have such an outflow of Germany's best and brightest. Ironically, rather then anyone who could be construed as a 'parasite' the only people who could leave were people who could be reliably certain they could move to a foreign country and immediately achieve self-sufficiency, without any assets.
Despite their bitching, the Nazis put as many roadblocks as they could in the way of Jews leaving.
>>399472
Shitty. Not just in terms of political repression, either. Even if you're a 100% pure blooded aryan who's totally into all of this, you're still dealing with food shortages, inflation, declining wages, and the disappearances of luxuries like most fruits.
By 1938, a Pineapple was considered a wonderful engagement gift, more impressive than a gold ring.
>>403030
Well that sounds interesting since Bavaria was never a major nazi stronghold and was more catholic reactionary. Most nazi votes came from protestant rural areas in the north.
>>403004
>black and jewish people are now German citizens
Are you serious?
>>399618
>Nazi Germany
>didn't brainwash the population
the things I read on this board...
>>400163
We're more like Brave New World than 1984, m8
>>399472
Depends on whether one was an average German or an average "undesirable".
>>400945
>jewish faith
It has never been about religion it has always been about the Jews as a race...I pray you do know that the Jews are a race and not just a religion.
They would let women into combat roles before they stopped killing Jews.
>>403066
Didn't all the Nuremberg rallies and all that fancy propaganda shit take place in Bavaria? I know Hitler had a fondness for the place. He enlisted in a Bavarian regiment for WW1 and had a house there in the 20s. Despite not being bombed to shit, Bavaria had a strong presence in Nazi history.
>>400945
Jews are a nation/ethnicity. Judaism is the religion of this ethnicity.
>>404741
Yeah nah they brainwashed people. Kids especially. They grew up getting those ideas about being the superior race etc.
>>405011
>Yeah nah they brainwashed people. Kids especially
Define "brainwashed".
>They grew up getting those ideas about being the superior race etc.
The things I read on this board. Hitler Youth and BDM didn't "brainwash" anyone, it was basically a summer camp but gender roles and nationalism were taught.
>>404591
Dühring, pls
>>399472
Probably depends on which year you consider.
Pre war? Very high living standards compared to most European countries at the time.
1944-45? Horrible
>>405022
>gender roles and nationalism were taught.
plus unconditional obedience and religious worship of the party and hitler as well as all that national rebirth yadda yadda
>>403065
Does this mean that that the holocaust was a way to seize assets and not the result of a delusional madman?
Theft is ultimately less insane than theocratic genocide.
>>405034
>unconditional obedience
*Discipline
>worship of the party and Hitler
No, it was love of Germany
>>405051
What?
>>405070
It's just the /pol/ boogeyman, pay no attention to him
>>405070
Fuck oof you defend Nazis. Go back to your cancer containment board
can we have just 1 edgy hitler thread at a time
>>405110
Hitler was evil. Period. I fucking hate you /pol/
>>405131
I never claimed the contrary. What I said is that living conditions in pre war Nazi Germany where objectively better than say, Italy or Spain.
It has nothing to do with supporting nazism
>>405368
This
>>399472
Varied. Unemployment went down but so did wages. There were no unions and the employer was often almighty. The working class suffered.
Party propaganda was everywhere. People were pressured into donating money into various Nazi causes. Much of it ended up in politicians pockets. Google Robert Ley, the appointed Labour front leader of the Nazis. He was very corrupt.
Almost all pre-nazi organizations were banned or retooled into overt nazi replacements. Womens rights were greatly reduced and viewed as leftist and dangerous.
Jokes at the party's expense could end up getting you fingered by neighbors or friends to the Gestapo. Unlike other regimes, this type of everyday rebellion rarely led to anything but a slap on a wrist for first time offenders.
Read the book "The third reich in power". It deals with the subject extensively. It also describes the multitude of leagues within the reich created to raise the living standards of the ordinary German citizen. For instance, through these organizations, theater and cinema tickets were exceptionally cheap, as were some leisure cruises.
>>404741
>Blacks and Jews are not Germans.
Says who? Many jews who fought for Germany in WW1 considered themselves german. Being a jew and german are not mutually exclusive. The idea of a unified jewish "culture" or "nationality" is a modern concept.
>>399472
>>405737
You can only find half jews
Blacks are most certainly not Germans
>>405748
Again, says who? Source? Definition of german? German is a nationality, jew and black are not. Jew is a religion and black is a skin color. They are not mutually exclusive so back that statement up, shut up or go back to /pol/ where that kind of retardation is allowed.
>>405748
there were ~10 black people in germany, nobody cared about them.
its not the best example.
>>405747
There's so much bullshit here.
The Third Reich was enormously corrupt.
And the Volkswagen factory did not produce a single car for any consumer during WW2. The money was poured into thhe armament industry.
What would have happened to Hitler had he been captured alive?
>by the Allies
>by the Soviets
>>405828
>execution
>execution and being paraded around moscow
>>402116
>Oh you Jerries sure did love ol' Jesse, Mr. Hitler was a BIG fan
when will this meme die? Hitler didn't snub Jesse Owens. On the first day he shook hands with only the German winners, then the Olympic committee told him he had to shake hands with all the winners or none, so Hitler opted for the latter and skipped the medal ceremonies from then on. On the day of Owens' victory Hitler left the stadium before the race even began. Owens himself felt that Hitler had been unfairly treated by the international media
"Hitler had a certain time to come to the stadium and a certain time to leave. It happened he had to leave before the victory ceremony after the 100 meters. But before he left I was on my way to a broadcast and passed near his box. He waved at me and I waved back. I think it was bad taste to criticize the 'man of the hour' in another country."
Also, Hitler reportedly shook Jesse Owens' hand at one point out of view of the cameras. As for the rest of Germany according to fellow American athlete James LuValle, who won bronze in the 400 meters, Owens arrived in Berlin to a throng of fans, many of them young girls, yelling "Wo ist Jesse? Wo ist Jesse?" Many of them had come with scissors and had begun snipping at Owens' clothing, forcing him to retreat back onto the train.
But don't forget, it's the Germans who were brainwashed by propaganda during WW2
>>405872
>tfw when he got back to America some waitress said "we don't serve niggers here" and he threw his gold medal into the river
>>405882
There are plenty of black and jewish germans, dont be silly. Now back that statement up with something if you want credibility.
>>405907
They aren't native germans though, spud
>>405923
A black person born in germany is a native german. One is a skin color, the other a nationality. Some jews have lived in Germany for longer than some christian families. They are more german thsn those christians.
>>405942
>Germany
>country name literally means land of the Germanic people
>>405942
Seriously? It's called "BLUT und Böden" for a reason.
>>405968
someone post the cap with
>a dog born in a stable is a horse
>>405968
Please provide an actual argument rather than pointing out linguistic curiosities. With thst type of thinking, there are no saxons or normans in english. Nationalities are an ever present evolving definition and has always been. Go ask a Celtiberian descendant from the 3rd century AD if he considered himself Roman.
>>405977
I am aware of the outdated national socialist theory of blood and soil. Since it is retarded, and I am not, I do not take it into consideration.
>>405942
>A black person born in germany is a native german
Define "native". He could be "nationally German" but never ethnic German
>>406024
And what is ethnicslly german? Thats an impossible term to define.
Because lets be frank, what you mean by ethnically german is a white person whose family comes from germany right? But what if 200 years ago they were in fact slavs who migrated into germany?
To define someone as ethnically german is outdated. It's an arbitraty invention by nationalists. Back in medieval times, the term "german" meant people from the Holy Roman Empire and the definition evolved from there.
>>406076
>what you mean by ethnically german is a white person whose family comes from germany right?
No, someone who is genetically German.
>slavs who migrated into germany?
No, they would be ethnic Slavs, until they were diluted enough with the ethnic German population over time so their offspring could be considered ethnically German, or if there were many of them they would form their own ethnicity (see Anglo-Saxon)
>To define someone as ethnically german is outdated
says who? Globalists who couldn't care less about your people, country, and culture?
>It's an arbitraty invention by nationalists.
Wrong. the concept of "Germany" as a nation is a nationalist concept, which can include different groups (Dutch, Scandinavian, English) at a whim.
>Back in medieval times, the term "german" meant people from the Holy Roman Empire and the definition evolved from there.
Maybe because the HRE had only German nations in it for most of the time?
>>406143
>No, someone who is genetically German.
There's no such thing.
From the wikipedia article:
>Germans (German: Deutsche) are a Germanic ethnic group native to Central Europe,[3] who share a common German ancestry, culture and history, and speak the German language as their native language.
There is no genetic german group. Let's assume you're the son of a german colonist and african wife in the 1910's and you are brought back to Germany after the collapse of the German empire. You have no connection with your african roots but you are educated in the german school system, brought up with the german language and learn german history and partake in the current political discourse.
You are german.
>>406076
>Back in medieval times, the term "german" meant people from the Holy Roman Empire
no it didn't you cretin. German, then as now, meant ethnic Germans. There were plenty of non-German minorities within the HRE (Czechs, Italians, Croats, etc) and none of them were considered German just because they were within the Empire.
>>406143
>Maybe because the HRE had only German nations in it for most of the time?
this is incorrect
>>406185
You are german.
NO.
>>406185
Because African's have R1b or I1 haploid groups, right (^:
>>406192
Prove me wrong
>>406200
All of those are based on outdated and abritrary nationalistic ideas from the 19th century. I just typed out a realistic scenario depicting a black german. You can argue all you like but until you actually define what an ethnic german is that disproves what I typed, you will be forever the fool.
>>406221
the existence of the duchy, later the kingdom of bohemia proves that statement incorrect
>>406200
> Half of Germany isn't Germanic
Can't make this shit up, it's like I'm really on /int/.
>>406218
That map does not portray a blueprint for any one nationality. A northern german would have more incommon with a southern dane than a southern german.
>>406218
Yes some do
>>406233
also the italian realms, bits of modern day poland and the low countries
>>403048
Hans Schmidt was a holocaust denier and an anti-semite. Use that information any way you want.
>>406228
>All of those are based on outdated and arbitrary nationalistic ideas
Who says they're outdated? I re-read what your scenario, and I'll be a little more clear:
>You are culturally German
>You are not completely genetically German, but your offspring have a chance to be "very" genetically German in the future
>>406233
Ah yes, Bohemia. Bohemia is somewhat of an oddball since it was mixed Germanic/Slavic, but later became part of Austrian and heavily Germanized
>>406244
>Italian realms
they got lost pretty early
>bits of modern day poland
which were actually ethnically German (don't forget the expulsions of 1945)
>low countries
which were considered German until the formation of the Netherlands
>>406241
That's a sub-strand of R1b (R1b is celtic). Now give me one of I1
>>406283
>dogs born in a stable are horses
Not comperable to the subject at hand.
>>406289
>You are culturally German
>You are not completely genetically German, but your offspring have a chance to be "very" genetically German in the future
To be culturally german = ethnically german.
The idea of genetics is not appliceable, because a northern german has more incommon with a dane than a southern german. There is no definite genetic german identity.
>>406306
>a northern german has more incommon with a dane than a southern german
that doesn't sound wrong, but do you have any proof to back that up?
>>406318
Not at hand.
But remember that Germany lost a bit of it's northern borders to Denmark after WW1 and there are similar border disputes throughout history (Bismark stole a bit etc. etc.)
>>406289
>they got lost pretty early
but they werent, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Italy_%28Holy_Roman_Empire%29
>there are actually people that belive the holocaust happened
>>406287
Proofs (^:
>>406330
Yes, that's because the German's in North Schleswig were actually a minority. I still rest my case that culture=/=ethnicity
>>406318
He's pulling shit out his ass.
He is saying that because there is genetic variance in a country, genetics are invalid.
>>406411
>He is saying that because there is genetic variance in a country, genetics are invalid.
Yes, exactly. Thanks for proving my point.
treblinka literally unironically was NOT a death camp
750k people (!) were supposed to have been gassed with the diesel exhaust of a captured soviet tank, buried, dug up, and burnt to nothing on train tracks, bodies stacked 20 feet (at bare minimum, some say 4-5 stories) high, and burnt to ash with a space under the tracks of less than 1 meter for fuel
750 THOUSAND people were supposed to have been absolutely annihilated this way
this is fucking absurd, bodies do not burn like logs
also, the auschwitz 'gas chambers' ARE ADMITTED fakes, by the staff. they are supposed to depict what the gas chamber was like based on *eye witness testimony*
note I am not a stormweenie I'm not even white but this whole thing has been a gigantic LIE
and no I am not denying jews were treated like absolute shit, disgusting things happened to them, BUT mass gassings in the MILLIONS (!) certainly did not occur
don't believe me? read "one year in treblinka" which is THE NUMBER ONE SOURCE OF 750,000 deaths. the whole book is giant FAKE by a lying scheming fucking kike
read it for yourselves, make up your own mind
>Yes, exactly. Thanks for proving my point.
WRONG
Germans = several tribes with a very similiar language and common ethnic background. They later evolved, conquered and integrated Celtic, Roman and Slavic parts, again both ethnically and genetically.
>>406461
So you're saying that despite the fact that there is no one unifying genetic german makeup, that there is a genetic german group?
Read that one more time and tell me what part of that makes sense.
>>406439
>t. OneRaceHumanRace
They did it anon, some retard on a Mongolian finger painting appreciation board has disproven all of Genetics.
All without sources!
>>406472
>no one unifying genetic german makeup
There is NO country in the world that has complete genetic uniformity. HOWEVER there is a Celtic (R1b) and Germanic (I1) genetic group which have both influenced each other in Germany, with language, culture, and history bringing together both groups
>>406502
>There is NO country in the world that has complete genetic uniformity.
This is exactly my point. Ethnic groups are generally not defined by their genetic makeup these days, but rather their culture.
>>406508
>t. Antifascist Antiracist left leaning social piece of garbage
