Can we just write off all critical theory as bs peddled by the academia classes?
you know paglia loathes contemporary academia probably even more than you, right?
No.
Yes.
But there are a plethora of other ways
>>394983
Doesn't critical theory cause one to loath everything, except perhaps oneself?
>>395003
>Critical Theorist in training here
I hate myself even more because of it.
And yet they laugh about Medieval scholars measuring the length of angels wings.
>being white is bad and you should feel bad
>there should be more people of color everywhere just because
Yawn.
>>394976
>Can we just write off all critical theory as bs peddled by the academia classes?
No, that's not how critique works.
And it would be "academic" classes.
And you don't know what class theory is in the least.
And you've not demonstrated that within any reasonable class theory that an "academic class" exists.
And you've not claimed what critical theory is.
And when you actually get the fuck around to it, I'm expecting close text references.
Rule 6 dickhead.
>>394976
I don't care she's fucking adorable
look at her
>>394976
Paglia is critical of critics, though.
>>396991
She has this creepy porcelain doll look to her, almost Stepford Wife-ish.
>>394976
whose that girl/boy in the bottom right?
He/she looks really out of place
>>397709
I love how "creepy Stepford wife" became a pejorative for any cheerful, well dressed, well behaved woman. Even the moral of that dumb film probably is that feminist bitches get so obnoxious that their husbands would rather replace them with a robot.
>>396974
>And you don't know what class theory is in the least.
what MARXIST COMMIE PINKO theory is
>>394976
>fascist blondes
What is that even supposed to mean?
Taylor Swift advocates a militarian social state?
>>394976
>academia classes
There you go again, using words you don't understand.
For one it is academic, and two they are not class.
>>397765
Off the top of my head there are at least 6 non-marxist class theories
stratificationalist
decilist
quintilist
"social-capital"ite ala Bordeau
instinctual social democratic
anarchistic power based
instinctual tripartite
>>394976
If you oppose critical theory it is because you are an oppressor. Any you argument you give against it is false and designed only to protect your privilege. (I am assuming you are a white male, which is what my argument hinges on. And if you are not a white male, you have been brainwashed by white male patriarchy.)
if you don't want to make the same mistakes as them, no
american education can't handle critical theory without fucking it up and negating its entire purpose. good work america
>>397864 (You)
You forgot weber you stupid cunt.
>>398204
Not really as bad as forgetting civility.
>>394976
paglia is a legend
>>394976
Every time I see a cultural critic calling someone a "Nazi". Booooooring.
>>394976
>>397781
This is my fetish
>>398396
Falsifiers and morons don't deserve civility, they abandon it when they lie.
>>397781
>Taylor Swift advocates a militarian social state?
>>397749
Nice try you complete faggot. You find the human equivalent of a blow up doll attractive. Why live?
>>394983
Na, she is still a retard.
She just dislikes Foucault, and his legacy; but even then she dislikes him for the wrong reasons.
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>>394976
More like most people being shit at it.
>>398979
>implying the walking trash bag which constitutes most women's lives gives "personality"
The fact is that "stepford" women are rare is because its a hard ideal to accomplish. You sound as bitter as people who hate jocks for being joocy.
>>397709
That's what makes her so wonderful.
The cult of authenticity and sincerity is intolerable. Give me artificial beauty, scripted eloquence, and simulated purity.
>>397749
Pic related
>>399026
>>399037
>muh idealized femininity
This coming from the same website that regularly creams themselves over le epic manly beardxD pics.
>>396991
>adorable
>literally a hungry skeleton, and makes ass music to boot
If she dies, nothing of value would be lost.
>>399026
>>399037
>Feminism really is a woman's insecurity projected upon the world
>>399065
>r9k tier bitter
>"idealized" d-don't repress me b-by being desirable.
>implying this site like neo-beards
epic
>>396974
Not OP, but here is what Critical Theory is, from two Critical Theorists, Özlem Sensoy and Robin DiAngelo.
1/3
>>399083
>all this projecting
Goddamn lad, I was only pointing out reddit's hypocrisy.
>>399100
2/3
>>399107
3/3
>>396974
>an "academic class" exists.
Yeah it does. Why has political leftism been such a failure? Because it's by and for the academic class.
Marcuse, Foucault, Adorno and Hegel were pampered bourgeois faggots.
Affirmative action has been a failure, the war on poverty has been a failure, everything that the new left has done has failed because their philosophical foundation is broken.
Critical theory was never intended to help anyone, just aid in the western intelligentsia's self righteous circle jerk.
It's hard to manage from the ivory tower when you can't even see the ground.
>>399122
There isn't. Critical theory essentially boils down to "Cis Het White Men of Protestant backgrounds are satsn incarnate"
>>399120
>academic class
Again.
The word class, does not mean what you think it means clearly.
Academics work in 9-5 jobs for a not great wage, they are not a separate class.
They work like the rest of us, just instead of an open plan office they work in a faculty or research lab.
>>398187
Quality bait
>>399122
It's just "upper middle class white academics saving the poor marginalized shitskins"
It truly is no surprise that black communities have only stagnated in shit since these keks took the helm 50 years ago.
>>399163
>if I keep quibbling over semantics maybe I can distract him from his actually valid argument
>>399163
>they are not a separate class.
Yes they are, dumb fuck. And the truly marginalized groups in the west will never get anywhere until they tell the academic class to fuck off.
>>399172
Can't you take your fucking racist shitposting back to /pol/?
This is not /pol/ 2.0.
>>399185
Only whites can be racist you dumb honkey pinko faggot.
>>399182
Qualify what a class is then prove that academic are that.
>>399174
>valid argument
har har
He doesn't understand what something is, Critical Theory, and then he mistakenly accuses academics of being both a class and promoting it purely because it is good for intellectual masturbation.
Critical Theory in Social Sciences is just making sure you question assumptions and methodology throughout your analysis and research.
He's an idiot.
Personally as a layman I keep wondering if I should even bother with this shit considering it clearly didn't work and led to a lot of bloodshed. Like, I feel like I might as well could learn from reading the hammer of the witches.
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>>399182
>Believing in classes
>>399100
Jesus Christ anon where do you study at because it seems to be to be above what you read at high-school but bellow university level.
What book is this from.
>>399201
>Qualify what a class is then prove that academic are that.
A group with like traits and social status. The academic class has a clerical role in society and powerful influence over our culture, they need to be recognized as such. Usually career parasites who get off on trying to "fix" those dumb dirty poor brown people.
Their only true motivation is protecting their own cushy union salaries, evidenced by the massive bloat within academia. Apparently selling children worthless degrees is going to stop oppression somehow. What these charlatans don't realize is that they themselves are an oppressor class and their ideologies of "critique and resistence" are nothing but controlled opposition.
>>399248
Ignoring the existence of classes is as retarded as ignoring the existence of races. Especial in countries like the US where the vast majority of people are cemented into whatever class they're born in and never leave it.
>>399268
Amuse me by attempting to define these classes and finding individuals who fit neatly into your definition.
>>399250
This is from the book "Is Everyone Really Equal?" By Özlem Sensoy and Robin DiAngelo. It was required reading for a diversity in education class I had to take in uni. Needless to say, I don't believe a single word of this shit, but I love posting in whenever Social Justice or Critical Theory comes up.
>>399268
It's stupid too assume there's just three classes. I think. Especially if you think everybody is an individual.
>>399341
You're right, there are only 2 classes. Producers and public sector parasites.
Academics are usually the latter.
>>399262
>share traits and social status
In no way do all, or even most, academics share the same social or economic status.
University professors and researchers earn vastly different wages and live very different lives depending on where they work and in which fields.
And in no way can they be said to have greater political influence, and even the few highly respected political science professors, none have any more than your average man.
And even then these elite few are just advisers, whose ideas can easily be dismissed by anyone with actual power,
Your claim is ridiculous, try visiting a university and meeting some people out in the world before making these ridiculous generalisations.
>>399362
No there are alphas and betas. Chad thundercocks and Walter Mitties. This is about as sound as critical theory.
>>399367
You are simply wrong. The same claim of "we r all diffent lolz" can be made of any class of people.
I know you like to pretend you're smarter and better educated than the stupid proles, but I have been to university. I was pursuing a humanities degree until I got the fuck out of that anti-intellectual quagmire and into STEM.
Back to your ideologically homogenous ivory tower echo chamber.
>>399341
There are only three classes.
Those who work.
Those who pray.
Those who fight.
>>399406
Do you believe this?
>>399301
>Immigrants(perceived)
>>399406
I can feel the autism from here
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>>399406
>>399385
>>399362
You are all wrong. There are big enders and little enders and that is the end of the discussion
>>399367
>And in no way can they be said to have greater political influence, and even the few highly respected political science professors, none have any more than your average man.
You are conveniently ignoring the past 50 years of lefist activism.
>>399403
>my professors failed me for being a contrarian mongoloid and now I hate the humanities
>>399442
University students misread some superstar continental philosophers and do some stupid shit.
This doesn't put all academics in a separate social class.
And only the last 20 years of student activism have been cancer.
Sure we can hate identity politics movements, but they made real change happen for gays and blacks.
>>399442
Every time I see something related to fat activists and all this "body positivity" bullshit, it makes me even feel even more motivated to lose weight and get /fit/.
>>399464
>they made real change happen for gays and blacks.
>implying that change was a good thing
>>399464
> but they made real change happen for gays and blacks.
Really? Sure they might be more accepted but are assless chaps and ghetto prisons really positive change?
>>399464
>they made real change happen for gays and blacks.
>change for blacks
Are you fucking stupid? Black people have been in the same position, protesting the same shit since the birth of the new left 50 years ago.
>>399122
>>399129
>>399163
>>398187
>>396974
Two words: CULTURAL MARXISM
Basically a bunch of Marxists realized that traditional Marxism (applied to economic classes) would never be able to get their Socialistic society they wanted since people tend to prefer capitalism when given the freedom ( so the problem: FREEDOM). So instead they focused on developing a whole new school of philosophy on 'social institutionalism.'
>But social institutions don't actually exist!
Exactly, but this vague abstraction gives them enough leeway to develop this bullshit know as Critical Theory. They applied legitimate Foucault and Marxist critique to a non-existent bogeyman.
>The Institution?
Society!
>The Proletariat?
Minorities! (remember; individualism need not apply)
>The Bourgeoisie?
Western Culture and Whites!
They teach that Minorities (in this case, anybody with less income or power) are slaves to the Whites (anyone who makes more money), but they don't know it because they are just SO OPRESSED.
They actually divide Freedom into two classes (Freedom from, and Freedom to) and put a preference on one over the other, thus putting an actual value on Freedom. It's the same old far leftist narrative that Freedom doesn't actually exist and you should just trust 'us' with your freedoms. This is why Socialism is making a comeback (and how a Socialistic is actually getting votes to become President); Marxist ideals are being placed into the minds of people without them knowing it. This is what Critical Theory is really about.
The actual theory is complete bullshit, this is why modern protesters (Wallstreet protestors, BLM, etc), SJWs, and far leftist have such a contradictory rhetoric; Critical Theorists are just pandering to blind idealists in order to achieve their agenda. And I also encourage anons to look up some Frankfurt videos on youtube. You can actually watch the bullshit happen in real time, (just wait if you thought those book summary's were confusing!)
>>399524
You honestly think black people haven't progressed in social and economic status in the last 50 years?
>>399560
ohboyherewegoagain.jpg
>>399630
No, they're all Uncle Tom now, while we had authentic black people before.
>>396991
>that fashion sense
Kill it, before people start copying her.
>>399630
Not past the civil rights ammendment of 67, no.
>>399630
How much of that progress can be attributed to identity politics?
>>399645
B-but I don't think the jews are bad.
>>394976
Yes.
t. academic
>>394976
Yes but Paglia is the one exception.
She's not really critical theory, too. More like cultural studies with a somewhat traditionalist bent.
She's really good IMO, and she can actually write.
>>394976
Maybe we can actually have a discussion about this, instead of the usual 4chan circlejerk, because I feel like Paglia is getting flak for all the wrong reasons. Let's discuss what was actually said in context:
“In our own wide-open modern era of independent careers, girl squads can help women advance if they avoid presenting a silly, regressive public image — as in the tittering, tongues-out mugging of Swift’s bear-hugging posse. Swift herself should retire that obnoxious Nazi Barbie routine of wheeling out friends and celebrities as performance props, an exhibitionistic overkill that Lara Marie Schoenhals brilliantly parodied in her scathing viral video ‘Please Welcome to the Stage.' Girl squads ought to be about mentoring, exchanging advice and experience and launching exciting and innovative joint projects. Women need to study the immensely productive dynamic of male bonding in history. With their results-oriented teamwork, men largely have escaped the sexual jealousy, emotionalism and spiteful turf wars that sometimes dog women.”
So, if Paglia's core argument is that Taylor Swift commodifies female identity as a mindless, tittering band of brainless bombshells, is she really that far out of line in her criticisms? Of course, the "Nazi" descriptor is always going to ruffle feathers and she knew that when she wrote the piece, but it's an intentionally bombastic way of illustrating regressive conservatism from within the feminist movement - one which sees women as sort of paper tigers who have no real agenda for equality or liberation, but just take the mantle as an excuse to be "fierce, fab, and totally, like omg perf." Her schoolyard bully comparison feels justified in this context, as that paradigm is certainly juvenile and doesn't present an image of female empowerment. The "mean girls" don't stop being "mean girls" after high school, they just change their tactics.
>>394976
>>396991
Relevant
>>399776
>goes to /b/
Shit taste
>>399770
I think it's kinda strange, and untypical for Paglia, to suggest that women should emulate certain parts of historically-masculine institutions. Usually her argument goes something like: [traditional gender thing] is considered regressive anti-women, let me show you why [traditional gender thing] is actually liberating and empowering contrary to what feminists think.
As such I would have thought she would appreciate Taylor Swift for her kittenish and girly performance, in opposition to, say, Miley Cyrus, whom Paglia basically called a slut without any sense of mystique and style.
This article actually seems very much like on-the-nose-feminism.
>>399759
She chose to attack Taylor Swift for being a blonde.
What kinda of name is "Swift" anyway?
Is this her actual name?
Sounds like a dog.
>>399770
The "Nazi" descriptor really is what shows Paglia's profound lack of historical awareness, considering that women played a dynamic and assertive role in the National Socialist government and society to an extent that was unheard of elsewhere at the time.
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>>399824
You sound like a butthurt little-ender
>>399770
I see it's fair enough criticism. It's a shame that "critical theory" has co-opted the term causing people like OP to reactively reject fair critique.
>>399813
>I think it's kinda strange, and untypical for Paglia, to suggest that women should emulate certain parts of historically-masculine institutions.
This is an interesting point, but I do not think she is explictly exhorting a shift from negative female in-group dynamics to traditionally masculine ones. Rather, her point is that Taylor Swift's "squad" is regressive and anti-women because it represents an attack on female liberation and choice. She does not rejects out of hand the desire for some women to be beautiful, happy, and expressive. A united front in feminism does not necessitate every woman fit a counter-culture mold, but rather that they avoid attacking one another for differences in lifestyle choice. This might seem counter-intuitive if you see Paglia's article as an attack on Taylor's choices as a woman, but the rebuttal to that would be the feminist interpretation of not being tolerant of intolerance. Should feminists, and women in general, accept that the role models for young girls are essentially a gang of exhibitionist dolls who really lack values beyond #squadgoals?
>This article actually seems very much like on-the-nose-feminism.
On the contrary, while feminism - through its interations - has often stressed a united front, it also celebrates the autonomy of women to behave as they please, and Paglia sees Swift as someone trying to remove that right.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-takes-taylor-swift-845827
Paglia's article
>>399828
Wasn't the NSDAP really going for that traditional primarily-mothers vibe? That's the picture I've been getting.
>>399406
Georges Dumézil pls
>>399819
She chose to attack Taylor Swift because she's leading the charge in what appears to be a pro-feminist movement, but is really just a rebranding of "mean girl" clique culture that's been traditionally harmful to solidarity amongst women. Paglia does seem to have a weird thing against blondes specifically, though.
All that's been going in this thread is swiftaboos are arguing that an attack against their waifu is somehow signalling the last days of Rome of postmodern academia.
>>399438
I typically peel an egg from the side.
>>399871
>With their results-oriented teamwork, men largely have escaped the sexual jealousy, emotionalism and spiteful turf wars that sometimes dog women.
She should really browse /r9k/ sometimes.
>>399301
Two-Spirit
Ok what does that mean?
>>400171
Maybe... multiple personality disorder?
>>400171
>Made up bullshit that was coined in the last five years that lets me put something interesting on my job application
>>394976
>Can we just write off all critical theory as bs
Yes
All critical theorists should be introduced to the dialectic of the thesis (their head) and its antithesis (a M16) and see if they can figure out the synthesis before it happens.
>>394976
No, critical theory is good. Since you brought up feminism: feminist epistemology is about making sure the definition of marginalized is impacted by the perspective of the marginalized. That's an incredibly important academic goal.
Just because a lot of people use it the wrong way doesn't make it invalid. Let alone make the entire idea of critical reflection invalid.
I get your overall wish to purge the record though.
>>399120
>>an "academic class" exists.
>Why has political leftism been such a failure? Because it's by and for the academic class.
This isn't evidence that an academic class exists. The rest of the post is mindless prating.
