Why didn't Stalin and Hitler just team up? Together, they would have both been unstoppable.
>>391585
Because Hitler literally thought that Bolshevism was an international Jewish plot?
>>391585
They did. It was absolutely essential for the success of the Polish, French and first Finnish campaigns.
they did and they broke it off
also they were polar opposites politically
>>391585
Because Stalin was a paranoid, greedy red bastard
>>391585
because the whole point of nazism was being anti-commie?
>>391596
anti agression treaties are not teaming up
>>391717
Nope, it was being anti-jew. This gives you the somewhat orwellian option of either seeing Stalin as an ally against the Weltfinzjudentum that controls the west, or as judeo-bolshevik tyrant, depending on your strategic outlook.
>>391881
No, but agreeing to dismember a third nation is teaming up.
>>391585
I recall seeing a documentary saying they did team up at some point, but one of them fucked up and the relationship shortly broke.
Not sure if it was Stalin or Mussolini though.
>>391971
Not really. The Russian and German forces never actually worked together. Even if Poland had actually been able to fight back theres no way in hell we would have seen Germans fighting alongside Russians.
>>392013
Search for the Molotov Ribbentrop pact. Ah fuck it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
>>391585
>why didn't the left-wing Communists and the right-wing Nazis just team up together?
KEK
>>392092
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
>>391600
Not really, the only issue was private property and while Nazi Germany, on the surface, respected private property, businesses conducted their work in accordance to the Reichstag.
Hitler's objective was to fuck up Russia tbqhfam.
Because Hitler hated the communists. In fact when the German reichstag got burnt down the first thing Hitler did was to blame the communists.
In fact the whole Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was created just so Hitler wouldn't have to deal with a two front war
>>391585
most of everything they did was because their shit was fucking unstable. being unstable together would not have made them a stronger force.
>>392106
>Having a no-attack aggreement is teaming up.
>>394556
If you do it in secret and don't tell anybody else, then yeah.
>>391585
They had absolutely no reason to do team up, that's why.
>>391585
perfidious albion
/thread.
>>392092
>Nazis
>right wing
Because communism is all about freedom while fascism is all about tyranny.
Right? Or do I have them reversed?
>>391585
>Teaming-up with Russia
Russia is the final boss of world conquest. You need to kill off Russia if you want to rule the world.
>>396247
So, if Russia is the final boss, what happens when you win?
Does the game stop?
Nobody said something about lebensraum?
The point of Hitler's ideology was to conquer slavic land and create a lebensraum for the germanic people. Russia was always an objective for Hitler. He didn't care for England and actually hoped they would sue for peace in the start of the war. The slavic lands were always the goal of Hitler. So the people saying Hitler shouldn't have invaded are simply not aware about his vision. His 'kampf'.
Ofcourse it might not have been the ideal move in hindsight, for Hitler it was necessary.
>>396239
The left-right dichotomy is based on equality vs. hierarchy.
>>391585
They wouldn't stop making fun of each others moustaches.
Why do you think they teamed up to invade Poland? Even then, the killing power of the Winged Hussars and their lances of destruction was feared and respected.
>>396353
So are you agreeing with me that communism and fascism both are very hierarchical and favor the elite or favored members?
>>396379
No, I'm not. Communists are correct when they say that communism has never been tried. In a communist society, there would be no state or money and everyone would be equal. Of course, this society is physically impossible. "Communism" in practice has just been kleptocratic dictatorships.
>>392059
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lw%C3%B3w_%281939%29
Western education. Is it guilt that prevents them from understanding the nature of the Nazi-Soviet alliance? There's a book that helps with that. It's called The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin.
I'd also recommend books by Victor Suvorov.
>>392059
>never actually worked together
>no way in hell we would have seen Germans fighting alongside Russians
>>396353
Nazism isn't actually very hierarchical, technically all Germans in Germany were considered equal.
>>392059
>The Russian and German forces never actually worked together.
The Soviets were flat out giving the Germans training in return for military aid, what more do you want?
Stalin even wanted to join the Axis which was refused only because the USSR couldn't guarantee stopping to meddle with Europe instead of just focusing on fucking Asia.
>>391585
>Americans
>>396411
>in communism, there would be no state
Please explain the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and the creation of the Workers' Council, or Soviet, and the essence of Central Planning. And don't argue about the "withering away" of The State if it is given all the power it needs to operate Communism by its ideological nature in order to destroy Family, Religion, Property, and Nation. And not to mention that the 10 planks of Marxism requires state power and enforcement to achieve a utopia without opposition, and as Marx agreed with Darwin, humans are disposable animals and society progresses through violence, and in this case violent revolution of the workers were essential to achieve the Dictatorship of the Proletariat as what happened when Lenin came to power with the slogan "All Power to the Soviets."
>>396873
>Americans
>>391589
Why would you crop such a perfect image? You really are making me nervous.
>>396873
Exactly. Communism is impossible. We're not really disagreeing.
>>394578
>wanting to protect your people from nazis is teaming up with nazis if you do it in secret!!!!
>>396942
What you were saying is that there never was a Communistic society because of "no state" when the whole point of Communism is the power of state authority to enforce a workers' utopia. That's what I was saying. However, yes, Communism is a failure, mainly due to being either not radical enough and the need for reforms because of economic failures or being too radical to where it kills off too many people and become disposed of through internal/external opposition.
>>391585
The whole point of Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union was because he knew Stalin planned to backstab and invade Hitler's occupied Western Europe when weakened. Stalin did everything he could to make WW2 happen and aided Hitler in everything, only to have the Red Army mobilized and ready to intervene and enter the war as an attacker to "liberate" Europe and win the "World Revolution" through force.
>>391585
>why don't putin and obama just team up
>>397044
>when the whole point of Communism is the power of state authority to enforce a workers' utopia.
That's a socialism, not communism. The "dictatorship of the proletariat" is supposed to be a stepping stone to communism.
>>397205
Not the guy you replied to, but that's about the most horseshit concept that ever came from Marx.
Like, how in the fuck do you transition from an outright state terror to a stateless utopia? Did he believe the ruling class will just step down on its own and the state will magically vanish?
>>392092
This. Even today the left and right can't ever team up no matter how desperately they need to.
>>397074
Pretty brilliant, why didn't it work?
>>396251
no you get a domination victory and then cry for wasting 24+ hours of you life.
>>397208
>Like, how in the fuck do you transition from an outright state terror to a stateless utopia?
In marx with the elimination of all classes except the proletariat, the society necessarily becomes classless, because Marx's use of "the state" refers to a classed monopoly of violence.
Marx's "state" is a growing movement of workers councils and democratic sites, which mobilise columns of workers militia to repress the prior classes. The internally hyper-democratic structure of "the state" means that the totalisation of the state results in a pure society.
Read something, seriously, try this: https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/1919/06/workers-democracy.htm (Gramsci, 1919).
>>391585
Fascists don't hate capitalism enough and communists don't hate Jews enough.
>>397315
Oh, those crazy right wing national socialists.
>>391585
they did. for a little while.
but they couldn't trust each other since they were both paranoid whack jobs
>>391585
>Hitler teaming up with filth Bolsheviks he fought against his whole political career.
>Stalin teaming up with an imperialistic, corporatist dictatorship who thought Slavs were subhumans.
Really, was there any other option but eventual war?
>>397355
jews
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>>397355
Murica
Molotov's meetings, even as outlined in cursory works, are fucking hilarious. Its just meeting upon meeting of this guy calling the Nazi's out of their diplomatic bullshit and the Nazis not able to comprehend it.
http://strawpoll.me/6232910/
>>397355
It kinda worked from Berlin to Bulgaria.
Best friends forever.
>>391589
>people still think that he was selling it as a literal jewish conspiracy
god damn Goebbels was a genius
Stalin:
>yeah man we won't attack we but we have a right to attack Romania and claim the oil you are using to fight your war with Britian
Thus ending the pact.
