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Why couldn't National Socialist Germany just stay within their borders. England and France basically tore up the treaty of Versailles and the armament prohibition on Germany the late 1930s.
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he wanted to united the germanic peoples under one flag
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>>357830
People have been saying that the NatSoc style of economics necessitated the invasion of other countries. Hitler's justification was that he was saving diaspora Germans from discrimination.
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>>357843
Then Hitler should have invited them from their lands to live in the German state. In the same way Israel does today.
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>>357830

Because their foreign policy goals were always to make war on the USSR and seize a good chunk of it.
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>guys maybe favoring your own culture and ethnicity over other people's might lead to a racist and imperialist worldview
>maybe David Duke lied to us
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>>357861
germans were like 95 million people at that point. He wanted to be self sufficient and not have to rely on western hegemony to feed his people

hence the living space
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>>357993
actually he relied more on eastern breadbaskets and mines, not western hegemony
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Lebensraum - Living space.
Hitler decided that for Germany to be self-sufficient and 'great' they needed to be bigger
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>>358187
Just think we could have a nice friendly video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2w4lwQRtc if things panned out for Hitler.
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>>358222

>Elbow room
>Lebensraum

Coincidence? I think not.
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>>357843
I really fucking hate being called germanic, we've been de facto independent since fucking burgundy created the estates general.
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They thought their "living space" should be bigger, because they didn't play seriously the colonial game. If Hitler only wanted to unite "germanic people" he wouldn't have invaded Poland or Memel.
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>>358282

>speaker of germanic hates being called germanic

How did we get this keked?
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It was an integral part of their ideology as well as the only way to keep on without their economy failing.
That being said Hitler just shouldn't've gassed the Jews and he would be remembered as Germany's Napoleon.
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>>357830
Because they were a bunch of degenerates and psychopaths that preferred electing a fucking ultrafascist beast than more sensible candidates, because they were throwing a tantrum about how they had lost the money they used to bang some prostitutes in the sin city that was Berlin in the 1920s.
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>>357830

The biggest reason would be that Hitler felt that Germany simply needed a whole lot more land in order to sustain itself. In his book, Hitler talks about farming and predicts that people will starve to death unless agricultural output is increased dramatically to feed the growing population. So basically, he was wanted a shitload more farmland. The problem that he was talking about was real, but it was solved by genetic research rather than simply increasing farmland.
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at any rate, the Eastern Front was 100% going to happen at their current national and ideological rates

mongoose and cobra situation

condolences to Poland for always being stuck between the two
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>>358182
either way, the point stands.
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>Enclaves
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>>357830
>>357850
despite Hitlers attempts to hide it, the German economy was going to shit and invading other countries was seen as one way to solve that.
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>>359918

They invaded Poland for Danzig, a part of Prussia and the old German Empire.
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shortened German declaration of War for reference

For months a problem has tormented all of us. Long ago the Diktat of Versailles bestowed this problem on us. In its depravity and degeneracy it has now become insufferable. Danzig was a German city and is a German city! The Corridor was German and is German!

These regions owe their cultural development exclusively to the German Volk. Without this Volk, these eastern regions would still be plunged in the depths of barbarism.

[…]

As always, I sought to bring about a change by peaceful means, by offering proposals to remedy this situation. […]

[…] the Diktat of Versailles does not constitute law for us Germans. You simply cannot […] proclaim a signature to represent sanctified law when it was extorted by […] threatening to starve millions of human beings if he failed to comply!
[…]

[talk about how Poles are torturing Germans and unwilling to stop]

There were attempts to justify recriminations against ethnic Germans by claiming that these constituted a response to prior "provocations."

[…]

Similar events repeated themselves in the course of last night. And this after the recent perpetration of twenty-one border transgressions in the span of one single night.

[…]

Germany is not pursuing any interests in the West. The West Wall delineates the Reich's border for all time. […]

[we guarantee neutral states neutrality]. We are deadly serious(es ist us heiliger Ernst)in making this assertion.

[talk about declaring peace with Russia]

Russia and Germany fought each other in the World War only to suffer its consequences equally in the end. This shall not happen a second time!
[…]
This night for the first time Polish regular soldiers fired on our own territory. We have now been returning the fire since 5:45 a.m.![5](Seit 5.45 Uhr wird jetzt zurückgeschossen!)Henceforth, bomb will be met with bomb.
[…]
There is one word which I have never known and this word is: capitulation!
[…]
Deutschland — Sieg Heil!
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>>360315
I know, but if he had been a clever dictator he would have known that invading Polonia was like declaring war on the others great powers. At least he could have waited more time.
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>>357830
>muh Lebensraum
>muh Juden did this
>muh unstobbable prussian military supremacy
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>>357830
I don't know, to be honest family.

I'd be pretty happy with Austria and Sudeten. That's pretty much a complete Germany. They should've played it cooler with Poland instead of declaring war on the whole world. Greed is bad.
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>>360821
He didn't have more time. Rearmament was costing him a lot of money. And he needed to invade countries and steal their resources (and their gold reserves to stay afloat).
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>>360821
>>360512
WW1 started for much more ridiculous reasons than WW2. Do you seriously think the Allies had no reason to have intervened over Poland when they intervened because of fucking Serbia 20 years earlier?
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>>360863
They didn't intervene on behalf of Serbia. That was Russia. The rest was domino effect.
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>>360854
Ya but having poland between your clay makes the map look really ugly, hitler being an artist probably had map autism and needed to redraw the borders.
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>>360910
Except interwar Poland is best and fairest borders if you only include Danzig into German Prussia
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Because for Hitler it was never about ethnicity and always about money and resources.

I mean some of you guys are utter retards, you don't trust modern politicians yet for some reason think politicians 70 years ago were honest people.
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>>360951
No fuck off poland should get 0 german clay
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>>357830
Well, first off he wanted to, as the meme goes, unite the German peoples under one flag.
Second, your second sentence is exactly why. Hitler didn't believe Britain & France would actually go to war to save Poland, considering they'd let him annex Austria, Rhine, and Czecho-Slovakia already.
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>>361164
>anything except Pommern
>German clay
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>>361171
1. Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält,
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt -
|: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt. :|

2. Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten schönen Klang,
Uns zu edler Tat begeistern
Unser ganzes Leben lang.
|: Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang. :|
3. Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Für das deutsche Vaterland!
Danach laßt uns alle streben
Brüderlich mit Herz und Hand!
Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Sind des Glückes Unterpfand.
|: Blüh' im Glanze dieses Glückes,
Blühe, deutsches Vaterland. :|

(4. Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Und im Unglück nun erst recht.
Nur im Unglück kann die Liebe
Zeigen, ob sie stark und echt.
Und so soll es weiterklingen
Von Geschlechte zu Geschlecht:
|: Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Und im Unglück nun erst recht. :| )
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>>360984
What do you expect from a bunch of people who worship Hitler and the Nazis?
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>>361261
No one worships hitler you retard, but that doesn't mean that some politicians can't be better than others.
For example trump actually wants america to improve while merkel actively participates in the destruction of her country.
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>>357830
he should have gone to the allies and made a trade all the Germanic lands he wanted in exchange for being a buffer against communism
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>>360281
Do you know anything about economics? I study macroeconomics, and what you are saying is not only untrue, it's impossible.
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>>361588
stop lying on the internet
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>>357830
Because jewpuppet brits and frenchfries wanted another war. Not only was Poland blocking East Prussia from the fatherland, they were horribly mistreating the German population. It was only logical for him to invade Poland and punish them for the injustice committed towards his people.
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>>360951
Gib back Katowice, mine factories.
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>>361588
I study macro and you are retarded man
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>>361619

Fuck off back to /pol/
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>>357830

The only reason the German "economy" worked was because Hitler created jobs out of thin air for the war machinery.

Even before the allies and the russians fucked us, our economy was completely down the drain. After 1945 there was pretty much nothing but black market.

There's records of people eating dogs, cats, rats, all kinds of nasty shit. Adolf fucked this country like no one managed to fuck it up before him.

Fucking austrians, man.
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>>360062

>German equals germanic

kill yourself, scum
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>>360113

Friendly reminder that Hitler was not "democractically elected", but rather had SA squads roam the streets of Germany in search of "communists" (anyone remotely "leftist", but also centrists. even conservatives) days before elections. He never had a majority before that, without cheap tricks and violence he would have never made it.

More on this: Reichstagsbrand, Dolchstoßlegende, Machtergreifung et cetera.

Read up, nigga.
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>>361247

>>>/tumblr/
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>>361274

>No one worships hitler you retard

have you ever been to /pol/?
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>>361588

so are you going to grace him with an actual reply or just spout some appeals to authority like the worthless piece of shit you are?

seeing as you are educated on the subject you should easily be able to give an elaborate reply.

>>361921
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>>357830

because "muh lebensraum"

the fact that the rest of Europe had colonial empires worried Germany which didn't, because increasing development meant increasing globalization.

other European powers were able to source their needs from their colonial holdings, while Germany was dependent upon other European nations for its development needs.

Germany's solution was to try and get a share of their empires and gain more land area to support a larger population so they could be self-sufficient too.
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