What do you think is the saddest historical event?
>>352110
Fire bombing of Dresden
>>352110
>Those fucking eyes
Hitler not getting accepted to that prestigious art school
>>352110
The Norman conquest of England, that moment doomed the entire British isles to a future of endless French autism.
Of course it would be frogs who would smother the most vibrant and fiercely independent peoples of Europe in the crib.
>>352115
>>352131
Norman reforms permitted England to achieve greatness instead of having an Ireland-tier history
>>352110
The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
> "Sopherl! Sopherl! Sterbe nicht! Bleib' am Leben für unsere Kinder!
> "Sophie! Sophie! Don't die! Live for our children!"
-The Archduke's last words to his wife, who died a few minutes before he did.
>>352149
Greatness, in the very French sense of indiscriminately going to war is not great.
>>352110
When the USSR didn't nuke the USA to death.
>>352156
WW1 as a whole was a fucking tragedy.
>>352156
Oh my god.
>>352110
Massacre of the Russian Royal Family is really saddening to read about
>>352170
Yep.
Collapse of Roman principiate in the west
Seriously, can you even imagine how depressing it must have been to live in the late empire?
>Plagues lasting decades
>Two thirds of the empire secede and are not brought back into it for years
>Trade routes collapse, depopulating the cities and forcing citizens to accept serfdom on estates of the elite
>Military leaders constantly in terror for their lives backstabbing each other over nothing and fighting gigantic civil wars with each other so that they can call themselves king pimp until some other butthurt elite comes along and starts another civil war
>Gigantic hordes of literal barbarians rushing over the borders in desperate search for food/money/bling before being paid to rush back out again to fight off the next horde of barbarians
>Supreme office decays from benevolent despotism into clusterfuck of warlords, then decays further into figurehead role entangled by court ceremony while the clusterfuck of warlords restrict themselves to puppeting the emperor in support of their own local ambitions
>Half the Roman world told to just go manage its own affairs
>All this horrible shit goes on for century after century, generation after generation of people across huge swathes of Europe never knowing political stability or the barest hint of safety and security from the state that ostensibly controlled their lives
No wonder these faggots turned to Christ en masse, it must be easy to hope for a cushy afterlife when reality is so shit
>>352182
I've always felt very indifferent about it.
Millions of people of all ages died in the Russian Civil War, the Romanovs don't seem much more important than anyone else who died.
>>352193
I don't know, it maybe is just the indecency of how it was done.
>>352182
Definitely this. Probably as much for the symbolism as for the event itself. The goodness of the Empire cut down by the cold evil of communism.
>>352170
Agreed WW1 seems like such a meaningless waste. Wilfred Owen's 'Dulce et decorum est' captures this well.
>>352114
Those of the eyes of a man who realized he just fucked up majorly, and will have mental anguish from it for the rest of his life.
>>352170
>all those dead chemist and engineers
>literal hell on earth
>chemical warfare
>all because of nationalism and secret alliances
Was there really ever a worse time in human history?
>>352114
That's the point. Ivan has done something he can never take back, and in killing his own son he's realized the monster he's become.
>>352193
>you will never be as hard to kill as Rasputin
>>352254
WWII.
>>352254
>because of nationalism
Not even, it was because of a retarded web of mutual aggression treaties that they somehow thought wouldn't backfire.
>>352254
Probably the time before civilization was a set in stone thing.
Life fucking sucked if nature was being even remotely a bitch.
>>352254
I never understood how nationalism helped to cause WWI. I mean, I know it was only a contributing factor, but does anybody know where I can read up on it in detail?
>>352265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1SpJ15HadE
Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Terrible stuff.
>>352269
Short version
Every country was getting to the point where they were going to murder one another mostly because Germany and Austria were trying to get ahead while England and France were getting pissed at Germany and Austria.
The people of the countries were begging to kill some foreigner. Mostly Germany because they all thought themselves to be the best.
>>352110
Any of the countless genocides I guess.
>>352115
He had the chance to go to architecture school, but it was either the war or something else that prevented him. Seems like he had a passion in that anyways judging from all the designs of the "new reich" he had Speer draw up.
>>352110
Prince Charles leaving Scotland by Skye
>>352261
Was WWII really worse than WWI?
I'm just talking about the battlefield here. WWII on the civilian front was obviously way worse.
>>352309
For the battlefield (in the western front anyway) WWII was a little better given how brutal and tedious the western front of WWI was.
>>352309
The conditions in the trenches were pretty awful. Worse compared to WW2.
>>352261
>implying
Oh yeah it was real shitty, but it wasn't as bad as The War To End All Wars.
By then new technology was mostly understood and the whole then boiled down to a blitz by Germany where is just ran around sticking its flags everywhere and Russia+Allies tearing them down again and replacing them with their own because Hitler can't hold on to shit, including his own sanity and life.
WW1 on the other hand we were still figuring out new weapons. and not only that, but everyone was on fair ground. It wasn't like any other major battle they had in a while. The whole thing played out in Europe like a tragic drama until the very end, and the atrocities done there as well in turkey and china with the Armenian genocide and Japanese conquest of china could be compared to the Holocaust easily.
There is too much to talk about that makes WW1 vastly more horrific than WW2, not to play Hitler and Hiroshima down or anything, but it really doesn't dig that deep once you get past the reasonably hard to miss holocaust.
>>352309
I mean you got to move and see different places, didn't have a risk of drowning in your lungs and it was dry some of the time.
Also field maneuvers werent based on how many of your comrades died while trying to cross no mans land.
Basically anything involving American Indians in the 19th-20th centuries, but Wounded Knee always makes me upset when I read/think about it.
>>352309
It depends. The Western front (France/NAfrica/Italy) was much "cleaner" than any other theater. That said, the Pacific in general, China in particular, and a special mention for Russia too, was absolutely awful for both soldiers and the civilians. Japanese soldiers during the closing years of the war were just run ragged, and they were fucking living the high life compared to early-Sino-Japanese war Chinese soldiers.
And the Japanese were just awful to every enemy force they encountered, so most of what they got was justified as revenge.
The Russian front is a goddamn mess, and a slaughter on both sides. The Germans raped and pillaged their way into Russia and Russia raped and pillaged its way back out.
In comparison, even the pitched, bloody battles in the Western Front were polite skirmishes.
>>352320
>study organic chemistry
>find out that mustard gas acts as an agent that delivers HCl acid directly to the lungs and gives two molecules for everyone one molecule of mustard gas
Jesus Christ how horrifying
>>352320
>Play down Hiroshima
>Best possible end to the wars
>>352309
>>352320
So neither of you have any idea of the experience of German and Spanish soldiers in WW2 under the absurdly dense barrages of American and Russian artillery?
Gotcha.
Trenchfoot and gas might seem qualitatively more horrific to somehow make WW1 worse than WW2, but the winters of Eastern Europe, density of artillery from the Allied forces, and far more advanced machine guns, along with the absolute height of aerial warfare including bombing in all of human history, and THEN entailing the nuclear bombings of Japan at the final moment, all leave WW2 with far greater significance than WW1.
WW1 is somewhat worse qualitatively, but the scale and experience of destruction in WW2 is still the greatest, most destructive and otherwise horrific war in human history.
Read about the Spanish Blue Division. Soldiers getting artilleried for days, grabbing at the ankles of Russians as they finally assault their positions. The Spaniards were insanely tenacious.
the day of judgement, obviously
>>352309
>>352314
>>352315
Pretty shit for all sides family. When people talk about the "cushy" american soldiers, people don't realize they had fucking supply problems. The battle of Metz, and Hurtgen Forest, and the Bulge are good examples of some shit the best of the war got. Over 200% casualty rates in some cases. Then you must look at Berlin, Stalingrad, Kirsk, Iwo Jima.
>>352364
I fucking love this painting
>>352110
Fucker deserved it.
>>352350
I know that if america hadn't dropped the bomb, we would have probably invaded turned japan into a shithole varying from Korea to the middle east, but the fact that the bomb was used at all is an important note in history nonetheless.
>>352110
Your posting.
Columbine.
The whole ordeal was just fucked.
>>352438
>handful of schoolkids dying
>worse than wars, sackings and regicide
>>352489
Not saying it's worse than wars. But this shit inspired every school shooting since.
>>352489
Not that guy but it pretty much changed how kids in the US go to school.
Before it was that you had to worry about atom bombs dropping now it's some guy coming in to shoot up the school because they're petty. It's scary as fuck because you're pretty much told it's going to happen at some point.
>>352501
>inspired every school shooting since
I don't think so jim. It was the first to get a lot of media attention because it was in a middle upper class white neighborhood. I'm not down playing how horrific it was but that's the reason it sticks out so much.
NEOLITHIC REVOLUTION
Though it might not have been as large in simple millions of human lives as certain other genocides, what the Khmer Rouge put Cambodia through was especially hellish and possessively cruel, especially when you consider that it resulted in the death of about the third of an entire nation's people.
>>352110
>hits his son in the head with scepter
>is shocked when he dies
What kind of leader you want family?
>>352280
Get fucked weeb
>>352513
Well it's confirmed it inspired Cho who killed 33 at Virginia Tech and Adam Lanza who killed 27 first graders at Sandy Hook. And there has been 50 other school shootings with like 4 or more people dead since Columbine.
>>352541
*purposively cruel
>>352576
>Sandy Hook
Implying Nolan wasn't behind them all.
The murder of Emperor Aurelian.
>>352513
>Before it was that you had to worry about atom bombs dropping now it's some guy coming in to shoot up the school because they're petty. It's scary as fuck because you're pretty much told it's going to happen at some point.
The fuck? Really? That's just creating a self-fulfilling prophecy
>>352594
See the fnords?
>>352594
I don't know if you're from outside the US but they used to have duck and cover drills.
In my school district from about 2000 we've always had the stranger has entered the building scenarios. People are on edge about this sort of shit. Mostly because it keeps happening.
>>352615
>they used to have duck and cover drills.
In the 60's. I went to school in the late 80's and 90's and we never did any duck and cover drills, unless you count earthquake or tornado drills.
>>352203
>goodness
>>352267
It's a myth that civilization made it better for the average man.
If nature was a bitch, civilization also was hell. The agricultural revolution brought many new things human bodies weren't adapted to such as plagues and even a new diet we haven't even adapted to still, which is why we crave food that is unhealthy for us in large amounts.
>>352300
>He had the chance to go to architecture school, but it was either the war or something else that prevented him.
According to Wikipedia it required him to go back to secondary school, which he had dropped out of and he decided no to and instead be a bum in Vienna
>>352110
History has a lot of sad events. The 10 saddest, based on a combination of brutality, scale, and circumstances:
1. The Killing of John Lennon
2. The assassination of JFK
3. The Vietnam War
4. 1967 Detroit Race Riots
5. September 11
6. 1800 Lewis and Clark expidition(for opening the road for killing of more indians)
7. Election of Andrew Jackson(the chief indian-killer himself)
8. Election of ronald reagan (led the road to alot of latin american killings)
9. Columbine
10. Disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa
>>352878
nice b8
>>352576
I always found Sandy Hook to be particularly depressing because of all the stuff I have in common with the shooter. Apparently he would have talks about homosexual relationships with some of his gaming friends and i've done a lot of that.
>>352878
need a source for this beight
>>352963
The guy was pretty bright.
Surprising more people don't talk about him anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLHCuzW3-uA
>>353012
>>352110
Prolly the Black Death.
People literally thought it was the end of the world, and no one had any understanding of why it was happening.
#1066
#never4get
#icrieevrytiem
Magda Goebbels final farewell letter to her captured eldest son Harald...
...
My beloved son,
By now we have been in the Führerbunker for six days already—daddy, your six little siblings and I, for the sake of giving our national socialistic lives the only possible honourable end. You shall know that I stayed here against daddy's will, and that even on last Sunday the Führer wanted to help me to get out. You know your mother—we have the same blood, for me there was no wavering. Our glorious idea is ruined and with it everything beautiful and marvelous that I have known in my life.
The world that comes after the Führer and national socialism is not any longer worth living in and therefore I took the children with me, for they are too good for the life that would follow, and a merciful God will understand me when I will give them the salvation.
The children are wonderful, there never is a word of complaint nor crying. The impacts are shaking the bunker. The elder kids cover the younger ones, their presence is a blessing and they are making the Führer smile once in a while. May God help that I have the strength to perform the last and hardest. We only have one goal left: loyalty to the Führer even in death. Harald, my dear son—I want to give you what I learned in life: be loyal! Loyal to yourself, loyal to the people and loyal to your country.
Be proud of us and try to keep us in dear memory .
Mother
That time when the usa pushed several military dictatorships in my continent because we liked Russia more.
>>353074
was this written before or after she killed all 6 of his brothers and sisters in their sleep?
>>353090
It was written two days before the event.
>>353051
Sad to be sure, but it was a very important development for humanity. The labor shortage allowed the common folk to leverage their much-needed labor for greater privileges and concessions, and began to unravel the fabric of feudalism and pave the way for something like a middle class.
Frankly we could use another one of those to rebalance the scales. Sucks if you're one of the ones to die, however.
>>353101
Oh I agree with you, it was a great time era or prosperity in the vacuum left from 25-40% of the population of Europe disappearing in the span of 10 or so years.
It's sad to admit, but the less humans on Earth the better it is for everyone.
The whole 20th century.
>>352438
>the blood on those perfectly good books
>Gets blamed for the loss of the Tirpitz
>jailed
>Inquiry finds him in the right.
>Hitler demands he exonerates himself through war
>returns to the fighting, broken mentally and emotionally
>April 4th, 1945
>US Bombers over Buchen
>In his ME-262 he goes out to intercept them.
>Fights like a devil. every bomber he downs potentially saves dozens of lives
>Runs out of ammunition
>Get's on his radio
>Calls his wingman.
>"...Theo? Heinrich here. Have just shot down two bombers. No more ammunition. I'm going to ram. Auf Wiedersehen, see you in Valhalla..."
>>353117
>>Gets blamed for the loss of the Tirpitz
Damn, just read about that.
It's fucking retarded to defame a fucking ace which will just affect morale more on top of the sinking. Why didn't they just blame it on some random radar/radio operator who may or may not even exist?
Or just attribute it to obviously superior Allied espionage sabotage and no one gets fucked up for something that probably wasn't anyone's fault in the first place.
>>353117
It's better than dying on the ground by firebombs. Or getting captured by russians, sent into their work camps, and forced to fly for them for years to come.
>>352156
Was going to be my answer. He died begging his wife not to die so the kids wouldn't be alone.
The whole assassination attempt was a comedy until it ended in tragedy.
I'd also add the assassination of Caesar. What seals it for me was him covering his face with his toga when he saw Brutus among the conspirators.
>>352876
I wonder what kind of degenerate activities he partook in as a bum in Vienna. We know he was beta and super shy around women so probably lots of hookers (didn't he have syphillis?). He didn't drink or smoke, and I assume was against drugs. Must of been hard to make friends living that life.
>>352203
>"Goodness"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yaoting
>Dick cut off months before it would be rendered pointless
>>352115
Only sad thing about that was his art.
>>352112
For the last time...
THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH TARGETING CIVILIAN CENTERS IN ORDER TO GET ENEMY GOVERNMENTS TO CAPITULATE FASTER
>>352878
>The Killing of John Lennon
Oh lawd helpmeh pleeez. An overrated, washed up, shitlord of a rockstar got shot by some faggot.
>>353291
well at least someone bit.
>>352110
1453
>>353032
>some autistic faggot thinks he knows better than licensed psyc. professionals.
>tries to defend pedophilia
>>352367
>Over 200% casualty rates
>for every soldier you deploy two or more die
Kek
>>353309
>die
Casualty figures include wounded, faggot.
>>353312
ur mums a casualtee
>>353287
Then I suppose you're fine with what happened at London, Rotterdam and Belgrade as well?
>>352110
The execution of Louis XVI of France by a band of savage idlers and Masons.
>>353312
Sorry
>>over 200% casualty rates
>for every soldier you deploy two die or are injured
Inb4 receive Purple Heart for eggshell fragment in eye
>>353327
Morals have no place in war. Nations fight to win, not handcuff themselves behind the guise of what is "moral"
>>353344
So you arent opposed to the use of chemical weapons? Biological weapons? Torture?
>>353344
insofar as war is tied to public opinion, there is a certain sense of "morality" in war. Can't really get away with the whole loot and burn shtick these days, too many cameras.
>>353349
no. the issue is using those will result in your defeat. its sort of the same as using nukes and the idea of "mutually assured destruction". Use chem weapons and you have the world against you.
>>352156
Franz Ferdinand deserved to be assassinated. Gavrilo Princip had it right
Beslan is particularly horrifying in my opinion, both the attack and the fuck up that followed
>they threw those thermobaric fire bomb shit with hostages still inside
>>352156
Jesus Christ
I wonder what happened to the kids
>>353357
Serbia should have been a victim of one of the many genocides of the last century, rather than a perpetrator.
>>352110
I think it was the russian-ottoman war from 1735, if it hadn't been for the Belgrade peace, the ottoman empire would have been abolished much earlier than 1923.
>>353071
>>353443
This was meant for the Magda goebles post
>>353074
>>353074
No
>>353344
>Morals have no place in war.
Thats strange, because morals was the main reason to fuck up Germany during WWI peace talks, and practically cause WWII to happen.
>>353012
thats well articulated/thoughtful
>>353394
buttmad croat
sry bud serbs don't get genocided cuz they're actually good at fighting
>>353491
All of those reparations were forgotten, though. It was only a shock initially, then people wised up and saw they are stupidly high, and they were ignored.
WWII happened because too many germans lived outside of Germany, and the nationalists wanted to change that.
>>353495
They weren't stupidly high though. At their worst, they were 2% of the operating budget of the German Government.
2 FUCKING PERCENT.
Germans were just butthurt at all.
>and the nationalists wanted to change that.
They must have been real happy with the way the war ended then.
>>353394
But Serbia was a victim of a string of genocides.
1 4 5 3
4 5
5 4
3 5 4 1
>>353500
>didn't just seek to annex all areas with german populations, but a lot more than that
After the war started and they were winning? Sure, plans were made to capitalize as much as possible.
Before the war started? No, germans only. You shouldnt forget where Prussia stood, there were german cities as far as the fucking Baltics.
One of the biggest german cities is now Russian.
>>353508
That seems to suggest they didn't want that war, which they certainly did.
Read Mein Kampf ffs, Hitler explicitly said that uniting all germans in one state was necessary in order to expand beyond that territory, which he saw as necessity for survival for any people.
>>352110
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laki#Consequences_in_Iceland
This is the single event that wiped out the greatest % of a nation in history, 25% of all humans dead, Around 80% of sheep, 50% of cattle and 50% of horses died.
The mass expulsion of Germans from the Eastern territories following the end of the second world war. I get why it was necessary, but holy shit did so many innocent people die from malnutrition, neglect and illness.
>>353517
>Read Mein Kampf ffs,
>Hitler explicitly said
Hitler didnt write Mein Kampf. His notes compose a very small part of the book.
Besides, every single country in the world at the time had plans made to annex all of its neighbors. Its just how things were done.
We still hadnt gotten the whole "war is terrible" realization right, and much of the pre-WWII elite was the same as the pre-WWI guys, who thought war is a very honorable thing, and expected a ruler to go to war. If he didnt, he was considered weak.
>>353287
Except that it doesn't get enemy governments to capitulate faster. It doesn't even work.
![news-graphics-2008-_656926a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FemeVpg.jpg "news-graphics-2008-_656926a[1].jpg")
>>353280
he might have been a weak strategist and a lunatic leader but he was a good artist.
>pic very related: but he has more complex and beautiful stuff
>>352269
nationalism was probably the only thing keeping the fight on, since after the first weeks no one knew exactly why were they fighting...
it was one of the most stupid wars i've ever heard about in my entire life, triggered because muh monarchy ties and because every leaders in every country were somehow related to each other in some degree.
but for the poor sods fighting on the battlefield there was no better reason to fight besides "we were told to" - no ideals, no hope for a better future, no protecting our lands from unlawful invaders - just shooting for the sake of shooting.
>>353524
>Besides, every single country in the world at the time had plans made to annex all of its neighbors
In which case your point stands refuted, doesn't it?
>Hitler didnt write Mein Kampf. His notes compose a very small part of the book
[citation needed]
Also, this wouldn't change the books status as an authoritative source on nazi intentions.
![s6sncot[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EG9edMy.jpg "s6sncot[1].jpg")
>>352259
the myth was debunked a few years ago.
according to those historians he was killed quite quickly but his killers invented the whole story just to show how demonic he was.
and according to some other sources the british secret services were behind his death
http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/03/06/rasputin-didnt-die-like-the-legends-say/
>(d)ic related
>>353326
y-you take that back
>>353544
>Also, this wouldn't change the books status as an authoritative source on nazi intentions.
If you ever thought Mein Kampf is a good source on nazi intentions, you are choking on century old propaganda.
The book was meant to convince uneducated 30 year old bachelors to vote for the nazis, and nothing else. It has no other purpose and no deeper meaning.
Hannibal's campaign in Italy was pretty tragic
He lost his home city after fighting in foreign lands for years, his brothers were murdered one by one (Mago dying of his wounds on his ship back to Cartage was pretty sad, as was Hasdrubals head being delivered in a box to Hannibal Se7en style)
After that tragedy he spent the rest of his life getting betrayed as a mercenary king, constantly being hounded by the Romans as if he was a classical version of Osama, only to take poison after being betrayed with his last words being
>"Let us relieve the Romans from the anxiety they have so long experienced, since they think it tries their patience too much to wait for an old man's death."
I know he had his glorious victories but I just feel remorse for him, he tried so hard
>>353074
why did they used führer- prefix to so many fucking things?
was hitler considering to start a trademark thematic park with neat shit like the führerrollercoaster, führerbumper cars, etc because it certainly sounds like that
>>353560
Lost half his army on the way there.
Lost his eye in a swamp to some bug.
Lost his brothers one by one.
Lost the war through no fault of his own, simply because the government back home wouldnt commit to resupplying him with ships, bringing more soldiers and siege engines.
Did everything right, and lost everything. Near the end he had one last change to beat the romans, and instead of being allowed to lead the main greek army, he was told to command a small naval battle of little consequence.
>>353344
>He doesn't know about the Geneva treaty.
>>353568
Really? I thought it was because of his use of elephants
>>353562
Its how the german language works.
You start with sausage, and end up with grillonstickwithcabbagesausage.
The soviets picked it up in some industries, they put tzar in front of many experimental weapons - tzar bomb, tzar plane, tzar tank, etc.
>>353553
>century old propaganda.
The book is less than a century old, how does this work? Also, if it was only for 30yo bachelors, why did the nazis try to make every household own at least one copy? Also, do you have anything to back this up, or is the book just too embarrassing to nazis so they'll try their usual shtick of denying as much as they can get away with? How many more steps of denial until you'll portray Hitler as a member of the french resistance?
>>353579
>The soviets picked it up in some industries, they put tzar in front of many experimental weapons - tzar bomb, tzar plane, tzar tank, etc.
That's something different entirely. The Führerbunker isn't named for the Führer, it is called that way because it't the Führer's bunker.
>>353601
Fuhrerbunnker - the main bunker, or the big bunker.
Tzarbunker - the main bunker, or the big bunker.
>>353595
I am not a nazi though. I dislike nationalism even.
However unlike most people commenting here, I have both read the book, and know what the government policies were.
The book is fiction. Its a pamphlet to gather support from an angry people. Its Donald Trump tier populism.
>The book is less than a century old, how does this work?
Its an expression, a century doesnt always mean 100 years to the day. And the book is nearly 90 years old, if I remember correctly.
>>353610
German here, nope. The main bunker would be called Hauptbunker. The Führerbunker is the bunker of the Führer.
>>353619
Pretty sure Fuhrerbunnker implies the Fuhrer of Bunkers, the best bunker, and so on.
Like tzar bomb is the Tzar of Bombs, the biggest bomb.
>>353624
führerbunker implies the bunker of the führer
>>353625
No, it implies the fuhrer of all bunkers.
>>353562
>why did they used führer- prefix to so many fucking things?
Because every totalitarian state has to talk like an autist.
>>353617
Then back your shit up, first by showing le some evidence that Hitler wasn't he author, and then by pointing out the actual discrepancies between the book and the nazi policies.
Also, Donald Trump tier populism with the support from angry peoe seems like a pretty accurate description of what the nazis were going for in general.
>a century doesnt always mean 100 years to the day
That is literally what it means breh.
>>353625
wasn't that the wolf's lair though?
>>353194
yeah that far more tragic than the wholsale extermination of the jews....
>>353629
Hitler had a guy come over to his jail cell, and dictated for a few hours a text he titled Four and a Half Years of Struggle against Lies, Stupidity and Cowardice.
This text was later heavily edited and expanded and renamed Mein Kamph, and published.
Fucking google it, its not hidden information.
>being autistic about calling 90 years "a century" in a casual sentence
Gas yourself.
>>353626
That would be Bunkerführer, which is completely nonsensical. By your logic, the Führerhauptquartier would be the Führer of head quarters.
>>353635
Yes, its the main headquarter.
>>353629
He's not saying Hitler wasn't the author. He's saying Hitler was a constant, invertebrate liar. Which is true.
Mein Kampf is full of fabrications, distortions and outright lies.
>>353636
Fucking kill yourself, and stop arguing with people who actually speak the language.
>>353641
kanker
With all the americans in the thread Im suprised the Trail of Tears hasnt come up.
>>353634
I know that he dictated it, but not to some guy who came over, but to Rudolf Hess himself. And you can tell from the text that it was the same guy's work start to finish.
Virtually every book is edited in some way, so that's anything but an argument.
>>353642
So you put Handschuhen on your shoes, right?
>>353626
that would be a bunkerführer
>>353650
Shoes for the hand. Hand for the shoes doesnt even make sense. Are you trying to prove me right, lad?
>>353636
God you're retarded.
>>353637
I know thar, but what he's denying is the status of Mein Kampf as a source on nazi ideology and intentions, not on Hitler's life. And why would he lie about his intentions when the book was meant to make people agree with said intentions that doesn't even make any fucking sense.
>>353656
but if the führerbunker according to you is the führer of bunkers, then surely handschuhe must be hands for the shoes?
>>353661
Right, and schusswaffe is a fast firing gun, not a gun for fast people.
>>353667
Schuss doesn't mean fast, it means shot. The literal translattion would be shotweapon, a weapon that shoots.
>>352346
Same here, was really fascinated and realized people were literally having acid burns in their lungs
>>352269
Aside from creating international tensions, the match that lit the powderkeg of the Balkans was the struggle of pan-slavism that pit Serbia (plus Russia, then France and Britain) against Austria-Hungary (plus Germany).
Anyway, WWI would have never happened if Bismarck hadn't been sacked or at least replaced by complete buffoons. He built Europe's strongest nation, protected it with a net of diplomacy, only to have it fucked up by two set of retards that got the entire world to kick their ass back to back, eventually having the whole thing split in half (and forever democratized, although that was inevitable).
>>353630
The Fuhrerbunker was located near the Reich Chancellery. The Wolf's Lair was in East Prussia.
>>353671
You mean the shot of weapons. A schusswaffe shoots rifles.
>>352110
The moment that man achieved consciousness.
>>353646
I suppose we default to being contrarian, and our generation was taught in depth about the crimes against Native Americans, so we hear about it a lot.
I personally believe that manifest destiny resulted in a more politically sound world, but I wouldn't say it should excuse the barbarianism.
>>352254
The nationalism of that era made the people ready to go to war, but the leaders would have done so in any case. We have to remember that everyone was imagining an 1800's type of war, which was seen as a very romantic affair where brave men met and fought for glory. Nobody could fathom the reality of 20th century warfare at the outbreak of the war.
>>352110
Hiroshima
Not only did it change war and foreign affairs forever, but the idea of people being turned to dust in an instant is horrifying
>>353812
>Not only did it change war
That doesn't happen, ever.
World War One is without any doubt the worst thing that ever happened. Apart from costing millions of lives, destroying countless nations and ruining war forever, it directly caused
>World War Two
>Communism
>Fascism
>Radical Nationalism
>The end of the hopes for pan-asian and pan-islamic relations
>The league of nations
>>353632
Who gives a shit? I might feel worse if they didn't throw the shit up in my face from the time I was born. At this point, it's overplayed.
>>353821
radical nationalism was a thing already
as was communism
and it was not the sole cause of world war two, things such as the sino japanese war and the great depression having a key and possibly even more important role
>>353874
Wrong on every point, the former two were brought from the fringe to universal dominance and the latter two were a result of WW1's effects.
>>353878
your claim:
WW1 directly caused communism
real life:
even if we disregard thought and action that could very well be labelled as communistic throughout history, the communist manifesto is published in 1848, and ww1 begins in 1914 and ends in 1918
>great depression and the sino japanese conflict were key factors in the events leading up to ww2
>Wrong on every point
ok lel
Birth of Islam
>>352280
It's not even the worst thing the US did to Japan, let alone the worst thing in WW2.
>>354135
While I don't disagree, the birth of the atomic age is pretty terrifying.
>>353524
>Hitler didnt write Mein Kampf. His notes compose a very small part of the book.
What? Hitler authored and published Mein Kampf.
>>352110
The invention of hierarchy?
>>353194
>I'd also add the assassination of Caesar.
There's a legend that he had something like 20 stabwounds, but only 1 was deep enough to be a fatal one.
>>354315
I'm pretty sure that was in the autopsy with the legend being that the final blow was the only fatal one and it was delivered by Brutus. But there really isn't anyway to confirm that. Just makes for good story telling.
>>353646
FUCKING INDIANS GET OFF MY LAND REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>353344
M-MUH NINE ELEVENSES NEVER FORGET PEARL HABERS D: D: D:
>>352822
When i was in maybe 1st through 4th grade we did nuke drills. Born in 89.
>>353775
:-|
>>352110
Germany losing WW2
>>352110
The decline and extinction of the greatest life form this planet has ever produced, the great race that invented, built, and discovered basically everything.
>>354297
The same eyes appear on someone whenever I discuss the topic of religion. Dem crazy eyes are freaky mahn.
>>354522
this desu
>>352156
Sometimes I have trouble wrapping my head around the fact that people in the past -- and especially in premodernity, and especially famous figures in power -- genuinely loved their family and friends as idealistically as we do. I can't help but cynically suspect that everything they did was self-serving in some obvious or obscure way.
But when something as clear as that, or as the Tzar and his wife's genuine concern for their children, become apparent, I can't help feeling choked up or teary-eyed.
>>353287
hi israel
>>352156
THIS FIRE IS OUTTA CONTROL IT'S GONNA BURN THIS CITY
>>352590
The murder of Gracien gets me, actually.
It seemed like he actually wanted to do his best, even though he didn't necessarily care for military matters -- then Maximus revolted just because he assumed Theodosius would support him; his men defected and he was forced to flee; then he was caught thanks to further betrayal and unceremoniously executed at the age of 24.
I wonder if he could have been a capable Augustus going forward.
>>352110
The fall of the French commune
>>353387
Read the historical novel "Leviathan" by Scott Westerfeld, it discusses that.
>>352191
Trood. I feel so anguished every time I read about the 4-6th century A.D
>>352110
The loss of talented young men in all wars.
I can't help but think we're poorer for the loss of so many potentially great engineers, chemists, academics, artists etc.
>>352114
isn't it a reference to the picture of Cronus
>>353635
TOP KEK
>>352149
except for the fact they were more advanced than the Normans in every way apart from architecture and Military
Does The Great Dying in the Americas count as a historical event? It was like the greatest human catastrophe since the eruption of Mt. Toba.
>>352110
The moment everybody's childhood innocence dies and realises the harshness and brutality of our world
it still hurts...
>>352110
Fall of the Roman Empire
>>352267
Pre-agricultural humanity seemed fairly chill, actually. A good hunt would bring food for your small tribe for a while, and people had so much free time they fucked their way into agriculture become a necessity.
>>356014
That book series was the shit
>>352489
Of course, the actual conditions present in wars and sackings and so on are worse, but with those, there's generally some context and some strong reason that groups of people decide to murder one another. You can spend lifetimes researching the complex factors of every type that lead to wars. On the other hand, there's something intensely disturbing in situations where people kill for no reason beyond a desire to kill.
>>352110
the invention of the Greek alphabet
>>356137
but without the greek alphabet we would have never had the latin one which you're using right now
>>352182
Reading the Wikipedia's entry is distressful considering that it's neutral and to the point. I can't imagine how an entire book on this subject would be.
>>353487
Get Jasenovac'd you gypsy fuck.
>>353074
>deny your children a future because "muh world not worth living in"
>expect God to understand
Fuck nazis
>>356150
but without the phoenician alphabet we would have never had ANY ALPHABET
>>352110
Burning of the library in Alexandria.
>>354522
>my land
>>356236
This. And I would put the sacking of the Baghdad Library a very close second. Humans are replaceable, but think how much the lose of those two libraries set humanity back.
>>353387
They lived in luxury all survived pass the WW2. The two sons were sent to Dachau after Anschluss for being monarchists and voicing opinion against . Due to their connections they got extremely good conditions there.
>>356236
Knowing the significance of this phrase.
>>352191
>Seriously, can you even imagine how depressing it must have been to live in the late empire?
A bit. I'm American after all.
>>353117
looks american as fuck
>>353690
"schusswaffe" = "Firearm"
Idiot.
>>353491
This is a fucking meme.
The rate at which they had to repay was scaled to their economy and could be stretched in time indefinitely.
Meanwhile, in 1870, the Germans asked so much in immediate payment it caused some major inflation in their economy and depleted French gold reserves.
The greedy fucks aren't who you think they are. Versailles treaty was fucking merciful.
>>352110
One of the saddest things for me personally is whenever people are discriminated against in some fashion, especially when its de jure discrimination.
Specifically, the Ozawa v. U.S (1922) Supreme court case was depressing. I almost cried when I read Ozawa's appeal to the court.
The saddest shit is when he said:
>" In name Benedict Arnold was an American, but at heart he was a traitor. In name I am not an American, but at heart I am a true American."
>>356712
I should add that the entire Chinese exclusion period in American politics was pretty sad.
Always thought Jim Crow racism was shitty, but for some reason the Asian exclusion made me feel more sympathetic; go figure.
>>355938
balestine bls no stab
>>356172
The girls would have, in all likelyhood, been raped and killed by Soviet soldiers anyway. I feel as though it would be better to suffocate them that gang rape, mutilate and cut their throats desu desu senpai
>>357241
You get shitposty at the end but I have to agree with your point. Normally I hate the idea of killing children to 'protect' them, but in that case it's a bit more understandable. I still don't agree with it but I can understand why she would.
Personally? 9/11 because I lost relatives
impersonally? Timurlane was a fucking asshole but honestly there's so many I can't decide
>>353886
I suspect he means that Lenin wouldn't have been sent to Russia and turned Tsarist Russia into the USSR, and Communism would instead remain some irrelevant theory.
Any regicide.
Also OP's birth.
>>353117
Those are some badass and oddly affecting last words.
>>352438
That's probably the most loyal friendship that has ever existed tho'
I wish I was so tight with someone he'd come with me on a murder-suicide spree.
>>353032
He's certainly not wrong. To catch a predator is downright sadistic.
The fourth paragraph is also Lanza practically telling his own experience with psychiatrists.
It's definitely not a bad post or argument but his inexperience in the topic shows.
>>353117
To be fair, putting the politics aside, that's a legitimately heroic life/death and he would've known it. People daydream about that kinda stuff. I doubt anybody daydreams over, say, dying of plague along with your whole family, thinking the world's ended and God's forsaken you.
>>353349
This is a blue board, so I can't post what artillery does to a person's body, but it ain't pretty. Arbitrarily choosing what instruments of war are okay and what aren't is the sort of pacifist luxury that can only exist when there's nothing at stake. No wonder Syria et al doesn't give a shit when some Western commentator decries their use of barrel bombs. If there is ever a WWIII, I guarantee nobody will be shying away from chemical weapons.
>>353522
>treat the people who would have genocided you really nicely!
I agree with these people
>>352336
>>353646
The genocide of Native Americans (tied with slavery). Growing up as a white American, I got amazed when I got older at the length of history for the rest of the world. Compared to the history of Asia and Europe, so little history of the Americas is well known before colonization. Sure it's getting better, but so much was destroyed outright, and there are cultures and histories that even members of tribes whose cultures and histories those are will never know. Here, an "old" building is one from the 1600s, I remember going to Europe for the first time and ancient shit is everywhere. Made me sad to think about how much has been lost.
When Perdiccas asked him at what times he wished to have his divine honours paid him, Alexander answered, "When you are happy." These were the last words of the King.
>>352156
I"m not sad, his kids are still richer than mine.
