If there is a Form of the Good, doesn't that mean there is a form of the Evil? If evil is just an absence of the Form of the Good, then is the world fundamentally evil and can only be redeemed insofar as it participates in the Good?
>>349203
How did you jump from evil being to absence of Good to the world is evil?
>>349203
Good and evil are value judgements, they require a subjective observer. They are a person/group/culture going "We like this, and don't like that other stuff." They have form in that we can perceive a strict situation and ideal "good" and "evil" aspects or results, but they have no bearing on the actual aspects or results. Well, aside from influencing how observers react to them.
>>349686
Anon started from the position that the universe is initially empty of "Good" form and is being filled, rather than starting with the universe filled with "Good" and slowly drained.
>>349203
There's multiple answers to this. One is that there is a form of evil. In this understanding good and evil are balanced and can even have a certain harmony, they co-exist as equal opposites. The Gnostic God Abraxas represents this pretty well. He is the ultimate creator who made both good and evil. He created the love of the good mother and the wrath of the evil mother. Another example of this represented is Zoroastrianism where there one supreme God that represents all good and the Devil that represents all evil is made from his shadow.
The other answer is that "evil is the absence of good" or the "misinterpretation of good". For instance they may use the Form of killing to murder, they may even murder very well but they will murder the innocent man.
There is the third option that evil is only perspective and Forms do not have value judgements but this is harder to comply with the form theory because the value judgements them-self would have a form.
Forms are shit
>>350591
Thanks.
>>349963
>valid value judgments require a subjective observer
Incorrect, they require an objective viewer.
Ever try to settle an argument without a judge or referee?
>>349203
Dualism is a bad drug anon. It looks alright, but it sours in the belly.
Evil can be nothing but a twisted good.
Yes, in a materialistic sense. I don't know about you, but my copy of The Republic has a diagram explaining the different renditions of the interpretations of reality. At the very bottom is the most basic material needs like food and shelter, and then once these are attained, you can start understanding the structures and material representations of the universe around you, like engineering and architecture. The path to 'The Good' is first preceded by an understanding of the geometric relations of the universe, one of the finest examples is Euclid's Elements, pure logic. Once understanding has been attained a perception, fundamentally, of the relations of the universe will be attained, that CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be explained.
This is God, and it is synonymous, in my opinion, with Plato's conception of 'The Good'.
>>349203
Who cares, platonic forms are retarded anyway.
>>352692
Only if you interpret them in the most literal way.
>>352510
The judge/referee is there SPECIFICALLY to use their subjective values to interpret objective rules.
