ITT: inaccurate but good /his/ films. I'll start.
>>344689
Is that the Mongoria movie with the ghengis and the khans
That was a good one
Once upon a time in China is a great very inaccurate movie
So was Ip Man
>>344689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbd-yjd06c
Sadly, the three of them never came back from the dead to have one last discussion.
Troy (2004)
Sean Bean, Eric Bana and Peter o'Tool carried that movie.
>>344689
Kingdom of Heaven
>>344689
Monthy Python and the holy grail desu senpai
>>344689
Kingdom of Heaven
>>346033
For Balian
2 handed sword
No mail mittens
No nasal helmet
Indian made butted mail IIRC
For Saladin
16th century Ottoman helmet
Weird ass cape
Possible curved sword (he would have had a straight one just like the Europeans)
Weird ass scale armor
Middle in the fucking desert
Burning shit???
I'd still give it a an 8 if you meant extended edition.
>>346049
Y E S
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>>346033
And beat me to it. I must commend on your taste.
>>344689
>>346068
I think this is one of the best scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91L7LhH-wg
>>346083
I fucking adore the Tim the enchanter scene up until they enter the cave I think it's comedic genius
And how in the cave the animator has a heart attack I fucking died laughing
That film is so nostalgic
I still have it on dvd from when I was like 12
The last legion (2007)
Movie based on a book by Valerio Massimo Manfredi.
In the book the lady was roman, in the movie she's from india. Wtf???
Inaccurate speech, sensual scenes added. No sex. Wtf???
I will not spoiler the end, but wtf???
>>346063
The directors cut is only version worth mentioning
I'd say the Crusader armor isn't too off. At least they didn't have the plate armor as far as i remember.
Saladin's armor looks like Mamluk style helmet from the period, though the scale armor should be mail. Also his sword is in fact a strait sword
>>346070
hello there, fellow patrician
>>346077
Good one.
>>346093
I doubt Indians and Romans ever irl
>>346077
I was thinking this too. It's great for seeing what a Scandinavian "kingdom" might have looked like in early medieval days (sans the platemail). Also imo it makes you feel a sort of mythology. Like I can see Swedes or whatever genuinely thinking there are jotunn monsters off deep in the forest and oracles with the help of Odin gave you guidance for protection from the dark spirits the lurk in the night.
>>346111
They probably did. They had quite good trade relations even if they had the whole Middle East as a go between.
>>346077
>Lo there do I see my father; Lo there do I see my mother, my sisters and my brothers; Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning. Lo, they do call me, they bid me take my place among them, in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.
>>346111
Romans met Indians and Chinese. They delivered gifts to Augustus.
>>346111
They did, it's with chinese that you can be skeptical.
>>346218
Sure, but the Romans did entertain Indian ambassadors in their cities and I'm sure Indians probably did something similar for Romans.
>>344689
Red Cliff
>>346218
According to Florus, both Indians and Chinese (or other asians) sent envoys to Rome deliver in gifts of precious stones and elephants. He specifically States that they had a complexion that was very different from theirs so it could have been Indians or other middle easterners.
According to Chinese records, Romans sent envoys either by Antoninus or Marcus Aurelius, and the Chinese say this was the first time the two had ever had direct contact.
Either way, the Romans clearly knew of China and India.
>>344689
Hero
>>346218
Yes, but there's evidence of indians coming to Augustus with gifts. Also to Constantine.
India is not like with the case of east asia and south east asia, where there's evidence of trade but probably no Roman travelled there. It was far away so indian presence in roman lands was surely rare, but happened.
>>346269
There's no evidence that Florus was talking about the chinese here. Seres can mean a lot of things, pretty much everyone east of Iran that is not well-known enough.
It's literally the first time I hear about those romans being sent to China, and I can't find shit on google about it.
Decent flick
>>346170
>tfw there will never be a movie about Liam Neeson and his merry band of misfits fighting the good fight
What? Like 'Rob Roy'?
>>346305
I said it could have been other Asians. Anybody around central Asia is a possibility. Still India was definitely involved.
And according to the Chinese Rome sent their own people around 166 CE.
But yes you're correct in that the problem is Seres could mean a lot of things and its unclear exactly who the Romans were speaking of.
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GToxWws.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93MIxAf-c&t=0m30s
>>344689
Kagemusha
>>346322
>And according to the Chinese Rome sent their own people around 166 CE.
I insist on a source.
They literally had to undersell how wildly successful he was, which is pretty hilarious.
>>346170
Excalibur?
>>346350
>Hill, John E. (2009).Through the Jade Gate to Rome: A Study of the Silk Routes during the Later Han Dynasty, First to Second Centuries CE. BookSurge.ISBN978-1-4392-2134-1.
>Pulleyblank, Edwin G.: "The Roman Empire as Known to Han China",Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 119, No. 1 (1999)
>Thorley, J. (1971),The Silk Trade between China and the Roman Empire at Its Height, 'Circa' A. D. 90-130,Greece & Rome,Vol. 18, No. 1 (1971)
>>346351
I thought it was terrible, because they made it seem like he won because of luck and asspulls to make it a nationalistic action flick.
not sure about inaccuracy, but it's a real good movie
>>346351
Great movie visually, ship experts in Japan were literally shocked how accurate they modeled the boats in the film. However, they pretty much got the combat backwards. The Korean advantage was in Cannons, arrows, and naval tactics, while the Japanese utterly wrecked them almost every time they fought hand-to-hand, but their only real naval tactic was to close up and board ASAP. But it shows the Japanese using archer volleys, musketry, and big fleets while the Koreans only win after they get boarded.
>>344689
>>346326
Why does throat singing and chest whisteling sound so awesome?
>>344689
>>344689
Bitch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid is a classic.
>>346544
Kek *Butch
![300px-Glory[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bwpxYRB.jpg "300px-Glory[1].jpg")
>>344689
Damn nigga, I never know a japs was playing Genghis in that movie.
I thought some Siberian or shit are doing it.
>>346152
fucking love this movie, I remember watching it for the first time in a music class in 9th grade, all of the kids loved it
>>346508
Peckinpah was so badass
>>344689
oh yeah, almost forgot that new ass Genghis Khan film, Mongol. I liked It, at least.
Lincoln's assassination is amazing
Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained were honestly extremely fun to watch
Braveheart
>>346378
It's a bit biased towards Puyi.
>>346351
>no turtle ships
That was the biggest blunder on the director's part
>>346809
>a remake of blazing saddles
What? It's tone was completely different.
>>346273
oh yea
>mfw Pendragon cvcks Gorlois, fvcks and impregnates his wife a the same time that the cvck dies painfully in battle
>>346615
I love the happy ending
>>346785
Exceptionally boring for a contemporary audience.
>>346309
Ivan the Terrible is even better.
>>346615
the only inaccuracy is that the regiment was consisted almost entirely of northern volunteers, which were represented in the film but erroneously alongside a majority of freed slaves.
otherwise it's really accurate in its depiction of the military culture, race relations, and battles
>>346854
what was inaccurate about this? the fact that Japs have souls?
>>346854
What inaccuracies did this movie have?
>tfw no Mel Gibson Fall of Constantinople movie
>>346152
I came to post this, my second favorite film of all time. First being Ghostbusters.
There's just so much about Amadeus to love. The larger than life scale, the hamming it up, the sheer majesty of it. I don't even care that it's terribly inaccurate to the lives of those men, it's a wonderful movie.
>>346004
That achilles scene, when Pitt is mugging away and O'Toole phones it in but still looks and sounds amazing
>>346273
In fairness that's based on myth and not history to begin with.
But even then it strays away.
>>344689
Flesh and Blood
That beginning seige is amazing
>>346378
It kinda makes the stance of "Puyi never did anything wrong, except that time he sold out his people to the Japanese just so he could feel like an emperor again", but it's actually surprisingly accurate otherwise.
If you haven't seen it, stop what you're doing, torrent it, and go watch it. This is a great film on every level.
And it has one of my favorite lines in a movie
>I'll jump first.
>Nope.
Butch: Then you jump first.
>No, I said!
Butch: What's the matter with you?!
>I can't swim!
>Why, you crazy — the fall'll probably kill ya!
>>347795
messed up the formatting there.
I have a weakness for this one. Just a good old fashioned morality play about the importance of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>>346278
remember thinking that by some miracle every arrow had missed Jet Li in that execution scene first time I watched it.
>>347795
Actually a lot of that movie WAS historically accurate. They researched it pretty solidly, those two were cartoonish in their antics a lot of the time.
>>346033
That scene where that retard starts beating up men at arms in full armour with his fists was fucking stupid.
>>346266
seconded
Not the best film ever but Centurion was pretty good
Except for that Noel Clark bastard
>>346808
All those fake abs. Not like there were more than four people doing any acting, at least get some actually fit men.
>>347860
Its just really small scale, i think. Roman times stories work better with more men and grander things.
>>347886
True. I watched it more for the ancient Briton porn.
>>347877
Dude the actors trained their asses off. The airbrushing was for sake of consistency.
>>346004
I honestly liked how it tried to explain the later myths in a rational manner. Like Achilles was hit with like 10 arrows by Paris, but he managed to pull all of them out, aside from the one in his heel. So when his troops find him dead, there's just one visible wound on his heel.
>>347988
My favorite movie of all time, just ahead of Night of the Hunter.
>>348025
My 2nd favorite.
a bridge too far
>>348047
That hilarious scene where the Joseph II has to explain how to have sex to Louis XVI. The whole setting in general is gorgeous and decadent. Like a modern day Amadeus.
Considering who made it, Nixon was a rather sympathetic portrayal of the man. This and Frost/Nixon really put a human face on hi. He wasn't pleasant by any means, but he had the county's interests at heart. His paranoia and self esteem problems were his downfall.
>>346762
This is actually pretty historically accurate.
I don't know if it is inacurate or not?
Gary Oldman as Beethoven fuck yeah.
>there will never be a movie about the situation in 16th century europe showing all the major players without demonization of either side
>>348127
A movie without demonizing would be dull.
The only way to be unbiased is to demonize everyone, or demonize based on class - like the leaders being power hungry and out of touch, while the soldiers are patriots and so on.
Gotta have bad guys.
Hitler: Rise to Evil. Ignoring the utterly, hilariously inaccurate at places (Hitler beating his dog in the Trenches, tricking a Jewish Captain into giving him his Iron Cross, an Incestuous relationship with his niece) it was a decent portrayal of younger Hitler by Robert Carlyle and Peter O'Tool as Hindenburg was pure perfection, as was Peter Stormare playing a skinny Ernst Rohm.
>>348129
Why not just have people with different ideals instead of the evil king who is fucking everyone over because he is a cunt ?
>>346063
>Possible curved sword (he would have had a straight one just like the Europeans)
This was post 900 AD Middle East. The mastery of Turkic Cavalry warfare meant Sabers were fucking everywhere. The Middle Eastern straight sword starts declining from hereon out.
>>348135
Second up in my Hitler selection is the by far even more fictional tale of Max.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jrs7qk503Y
A Jewish Art dealer tries to mentor a young, fresh from the war Hitler. Heartbreaking movie. Find it if you can and watch it.
>>346063
>Curved Sword
>>346402
Mein neger
>>346808
>>347877
I've recently heard a defense of it that made me change how I see it, my friend basically told me that given how much the average person knows about different peoples throughout the ages that showing us accurate Persians wouldn't surprise us anywhere near as much as they surprised the Spartans, since they had only gotten to see them once (dead ones) at Marathon, so they showed all that wild shit to try and make the audience feel the shock of encountering an entirely new peoples.
I don't buy it 100% though.
>>348248
Always remember it's based off a comic, a comic focused on a visual story, not a history book.
>>348274
Just because its a comic doesn't mean that it has to be wild and inaccurate, historie and Vinland saga are proof of it.
>>348248
>>348274
Note how the film has a framing device of that one-eyed dude telling the story of Thermopylae to his comrades right before the battle of Plataea. It's obviously meant to be an unreliable narrator, and not a 100% accurate retelling of the events.
This doesn't apply to the sequel afaik though.
>>346615
what's inaccurate about it?
>>348304
>Just because its a comic
No, it doesn't mean it has to be inaccurate, but Millar's intent was to do a "cool" comic, not a accurate (nor, supposedly, good) one.
>>344689
>>348135
I watched this in my history A level.
There's a bit where Hitler's coming back from the war and while walking through Munich he sees some Communists trying to decapitate a statue of the Kaiser before the Freikorps show up and start shooting. The point of the scene is for Hitler to see this and go "wow I sure do love fascist mobs etc." but it doesn't make sense that there would be a statue of the Prussian Kaiser in Bavaria. Bavarians hate Prussians.
>>346273
A good watch on LSD
Also this
https://youtu.be/cRRvzjkzu2U
Technically a mini-series rather than a movie, but my copy of it isn't broken into episodes so I'll count it regardless.
>>346063
Stop nitpicking anon, a lot of the points you try to make are false.
Balian wears a helmet in the movie in multiple parts
Gloves were a thing since the the classical age and are found in a lot of manuscripts.
It´s a mamluke helmet
What the hell is wrong with the cape
Sword is straight as fuck
Scale was not uncommen in the Middle East
It´s not in the middle of the desert, its next to constantinopel during it´s siege.
Film is still pretty in-accurate
>>348587
Constantinopel should read Jerusalem, I am dumb
>>348367
It was a fine comic. Nothing approaching Miller's best, but lovingly made in re-visioning a classic tale of war.
>>348504
is it good? isnt it just a melodrama soap opera love and romance kind of thing?
>>346737
What was innacurate about it?
>>348304
Vinland Saga is not exactly accurate either...
>>348304
>Vinland saga
kek
>vikings running at lightning speed carrying their ships on their backs
>protagonist is some super powered edgy kid
>Norsemen are some sort of demigods
>>344689
GOAT roman film
>>348769
half of vikingboos take their knowledge about them from that fucking manga
thanks Japan
>>348110
Apart from wrist watches on the zulu warriors
>>348135
>hilariously inaccurate
>an Incestuous relationship with his niece
Isn't that true?
not quite what the OP wanted since it's not real history, but I loved the way this movie shows different time periods and the plot was a thousand times more interesting than I ever would have guessed
the different eras feel like they're done well and i'd bet there's enough for the real geeks to sperg out over whatever mistakes there are
>>348135
>hitler beating the dog
this is when I turned it off. Im no stormfag, but you already know its going to be shit when its called "Rise of Evil"
>>348110
>Look, the Zulus are dancing for us because they respect us for beating them!
complete and utter horseshit that makes me cringe. Other than that, its a good movie
>>347860
I liked this to. simple little adventure movie and not SUPER EPIX BATTLES! Plus that rainy highlands enviorment was comfy.
Only thing I didnt like was Tatums bullshit attempt at a British accent, especially since everyone else just spoke with their regular American accent
>>348111
I remember watching this as a kid. That scene where he got to eat airdropped supplies stuck to my mind.
>>348822
The sex itself is merely a rumor, albeit from high ranking members of Nazi command. It is fact he love his niece in an inappropriate fashion, and it is fact he was sexually abnormal.
>>348769
Also
>Buddhist vikings.
Might not be false though.
>>347802
Max comfy /his/ movie
it was interesting and had some good lines too, also Sean Bean is great as Odyssey
No love for the French & Indian war?
>>348822
He was obsessed with her, that is true, but the sexualization of the relationship was rumors spread by the ass blasted Strasser brothers, one murdered in the Night of the Long Knives, the other exiled by Hitler and Germany entirely.
To him Geli was the embodiment of German maidenhood and as a result he zealously defended her from everything and everyone. Her death was a result to his actions.
>>348139
>>348151
I'll dig up a source but it's important to remember that even the Mamluks were using straight swords.
>>348587
He wear the helmet for five seconds before throwing it off.
He doesn't have mail mittens like I said.
The helmet looks more like the Ottoman version.
Wearing a cape seems rather pointless in a battle and especially in the middle east.
Scale was not uncommon but mail was better so that should be what the leader of the bunch was wearing.
Jerusalem is not in the middle of the desert, it should be way greener without sand dunes and shit.
>>346808
Bait.
>>349699
nope. 300 was one of the best cinema experiences of the previous decade. I fucking love it.
>>348819
Are you implying the Zulus couldn't have invented the wrist watch? Go back to /pol/ please.
>>349716
does such a thing as accurate /his/ films exist?
>>346093
The book is actually quite decent. That movie was a steaming pile of cock.
>>349737
Blackadder
>>349732
Dead serious
>>349716
It's actually crazy how faithful to the comic it is, downright to the same angles and shit.
>>348875
>testudo used to fight in a melee in the first half hour
i stopped watching because of that does that make me an autist
>>349752
>>349728
But did they invent the fucking aurochs?
>>349785
Do you think the Eternal Jew was a good movie?
>>349785
Fuck off.
>>349798
I haven't seen it. How is it relevant to the discussion?
>>349805
Because 300 is its modern equivalent with the racebaiting, you dolt.
>>346091
Don't know if you know this, but John Cleese forgot the actual name of Tim the Enchanter. So when asked in the scene he just said what came to mind
"Tiiiiim?"
>>349826
Are you not capable of rating a movie beyond what ideological message is it trying to convey? Like cinematography, editing, music, makeup, costumes, sets, you know, technical stuff which actually makes the difference between a good and a bad film?
I mean I don't use the word pleb often but you are literally a pleb.
>>349805
>>349850
>Outside the current political parallels, some critics have raised more general questions about the film's (300) ideological orientation. The New York Post's Kyle Smith wrote that the film would have pleased "Adolf's boys,"[97] and Slate's Dana Stevens compares the film to The Eternal Jew, "as a textbook example of how race-baiting fantasy and nationalist myth can serve as an incitement to total war."[98] Roger Moore, a critic for the Orlando Sentinel, relates 300 to Susan Sontag's definition of "fascist art."[99] Alleanza Nazionale, an Italian neoconservative political party formed from the collapse of the neo-fascist party MSI, has used imagery from the work within candidate propaganda posters titled: "Defend your values, your civilization, your district".[
I don't really see how anyone can like this movie without either being an actual racist, or someone who is a apologist for Frank Miller and Zach Synder. Its a fantasy movie, there's nothing even remotely historical outside of vaguely following the Spartan stand at Thermopylae.
>Persians are evil
>Persians are hrode of blacks and mongoloids
>Persians use rhinos
>Persians have gunpowder and explosive charged weapons
>Spartans are super Nordic white "aryan" blonde dudes who don't use any armor
>beyond what ideological message it is trying to convey
Cinematography was literally nothing but slow-mo edits, overly exaggerated blood spray, the music was nothing notable, the make up was awful and so were the customes.
Its a bad movie by any definition.
>>349850
>pleb
Go back to /tv/. Its a bad movie. Even if you want to to isolate 300's flaws down to technical and production values alone, its fights were as crap as its comic oriented filming and the shitty slow-mo used and abused at every turn.
>>349826
And what race baiting was in 300?
>>346762
I thought Zulu was fairly spot on
>>349881
>can't do anything but answer me with a deflective response
What race baiting wasn't there in 300? Why were all the Persians played by African and oriental or Arab actors? Why was there a deliberate contrast between light skinned, Nordic, fair haired "Europeans" and the "dark masses" of Asia?
You aren't going to win this.
>>349881
>I'm only pretending to be retarded
>>349902
You swallowed his bait. He already won.
>>349908
>his bait
>"won"
>>349857
>lol I'll just pull whatever SJW horseshit out of my ass
It's narrative about ancient Greeks as told by Ancient Greeks. It's no mystery they were xenophobic and racist. It's also a common trope in both fantasy and history to demonize the villains of the story.
> Its a fantasy movie, there's nothing even remotely historical outside of vaguely following the Spartan stand at Thermopylae.
YES, THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT YOU TARD.
Do you honestly believe Miller or Synder had any sort of agenda behind a fucking swords n blood flick?
>>348135
>mayg boovy abood gidler :DDDD
>win awrds :DDD
ebin
>>349902
>light skinned, Nordic, fair haired Europeans
Uh ...
>>349926
We already had enough of your autism in the 300 thread.
>It's narrative about ancient Greeks as told by ancient Greeks
Uh uh.
"Its 90% historically accurate" - Zach Synder.
>Do you honestly believe Miller or Synder had any sort of agenda behind a fucking swords n blood flick?
Anyone with knowledge about Frank Miller knows he has an agenda against Iranians and Middle Easterners in general, you fucking retard.
>>349902
>Why were all the Persians played by African and oriental or Arab actors?
Because they share a common skin tone. Because the fucking Persians recruiting everyone from Africa to the Orient.
>Why was there a deliberate contrast between light skinned, Nordic, fair haired "Europeans" and the "dark masses" of Asia?
Because that's how it was portrayed in the Comics. The Greeks weren't universally white as often depicted in media, but they were on average lighter in skin tone than your average Persian.
>>346049
That was crazy accurate though, moreso than the usual adaptations of Arthurian myths. Like the anarchosyndycalist peasant communes, which were a real thing, except in Germany, not England. Or Lancelot being an omnicidal maniact is close to how he was in Mallory's work.
How accurate is pic related? It pretty much consists in everyone bumming around the woods/trenches/hospital for 4 years. The only historical parts are during the time skips when Wilhelm talks of battles that are happening.
Either way, I fucking loved this.
>>349965
>Because they share a common skin tone.
Wrong.
>Because Persians recruiting everyone from Africa to the Orient.
Wrong.
>Greeks
>on average lighter in skin tone than your average Persian.
Wrong. Xenophon as one of many sources describes himself and other Greeks as being swarthy, olive-skinned, and "sunkissed" in complexion while Persians are stated to be pale and fairer skinned.
You have literally no idea what you are talking about. There were no rhinos used by the Persians or war elephants brought over to invade Greece, Persians did not ever actively use African levies or troops in any capacity in any of its empires or dynasties, and it never had any god damn Oriental/Far Easterners either.
Its 100% a fantasy film with racebait and overly blatant ideological thematics about East vs West while demonizing Iranians and Persians. It doesn't matter what your defense is, both Miller and Synder have defended the movie as being historically accurate and Miller has a well known agenda given his last 10 to 15 years of comments about Middle Easterners, Iranians, and Muslims.
If you want to like this trashy movie be my guest but don't defend it from a historical perspective.
>>349942
>Uh uh.
"Its 90% historically accurate" - Zach Synder.
You do know people can speak broadly on a matter, correct? Beyond what was obvious theatrics, much of the movie depicted the historical account correctly.
> Frank Miller knows he has an agenda against Iranians and Middle Easterners
Some of which I agree with. And yet you've failed to establish it's existence in 300.
Bretty good film with great combat scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJZttzblHFQ
>>349994
>Poles are more anti-semitic than the nazis themselves
It was pretty much picrelated: the movie. And I'm not even Polish.
>>350021
>You do know people can speak broadly on a matter, correct?
90% in a context of Persians being non-white sub-saharan African men, rhinos, mutants, and sub-human degenerates in terms of sexuality and morals right? That's the context here he's speaking on.
>Beyond what was obvious theatrics, much of the movie depicted the historical account correctly.
No, it wasn't. Can you show me when Spartans fought without armor in serious battles against other armies or nations? When Persians used gunpowder or explosive ordinance? When magic actually existed?
>You failed to establish it's existence in 300.
That connection has already been repeatedly established and proven, you aren't fooling anyone here with this sort of obstinate backpedaling claiming contrary.
>>350045
I can't read Polish so your pic is lost on me.
But yeah, the Polish section was a bit cringe-worthy. They did let Viktor go in the end but them not giving two fucks about the train full of Jews was a bit much.
>>350071
It's a Pole saying "Beat the Jew mr. German, chop chop!" and the German is like "Please no ..."
>>349857
Christ have you never even fucking read Herodotus?
Actually, to everyone talking about the "historical accuracy" and "race baiting," have you read any Greek historians at all? Of course it fits the goddamn fascist aesthetic; of course it portrays Persians as evil wizards and Spartans as the good ol' boys; it's based off the goddamn Greek historian. All the memorable lines are literally translated Herodotus (madness/Sparta, we'll fight in the shade, etc) as well as the massive scale of the fighting and what you are somehow calling "inaccuracies." Of course the phalanxes break; it's depicting Greek dark age fighting. It was never accurate in detail because neither are our sources. This is how people have thought and felt about the battle for millennia, not how the battle was.
Further, the movie sets up the narrative as a goddamn motivational speech before Platea. If you know any literary theory at all, you've probably heard that sometimes, narrators aren't reliable. Hint hint.
Aren't you people supposed to be interested in history? How the fuck do you study historians if you can't think critically about a goddamn some action movie?
300 is like LOTR in the sense that it's pure fantasy, even if it deals with events that actually happened.
Being asspained about 300 for innacuracy is like being asspained over the Illiad and Odyssey as non-accurate because it has Greek gods intervening on behalf of the fighting parties, monsters and magic.
I'm a sucker for movies about pre-columbian/ early colonial mesoamerica. This and Aguirre are both pretty awesome.
>>346278
I only watch american propaganda. Thanks.
>>349785
Well it kept doing the "slow down then speed up" gimmick a little too much
>>350127
>his tribe telling him to put some burn shit on his dick so he can get his wife preggo
Man ancient banter at its best.
>>350089
No one accepts Herodotus bullshit like when he said the Persians brought giant fucking ants you piece of shit. The story's creator and movie's director both are associating with it being accurate as an actual historical representation rather then a fictional fantasy adaption, you dong.
>>350165
>you piece of shit
Man you sure are angry.
>>350172
Man you sure are stupid.
>>349933
He has impeccable teeth for that time period,
>>350164
lmao yeah, I forgot about that scene
Say what you want about Mel Gibson, but no one can deny he's involved himself in some great movies.
>>350174
I'm not the guy you were replying to, by the way. It's just hilarious how you're foaming at the mouth and squirming over nothing.
>>348504
Fucking love this movie. Its not that inaccurate right?
>>350184
I'm not the guy you were replying to, by the way. It's just hilarious how you're claiming things that aren't true without actually rebuking anything he said and then trying to poison the well.
I was in fact the anon that even said if you want to like 300 go ahead but don't pretend its a good movie or anything but propaganda and fantasy racebaiting neo-con bullshit.
>>350197
I only claimed that he's going full berserk and calling people pieces of shit because they like a movie, that's all.
>>350211
I don't see anything berserk about his posts being harsh in response to your own for above mentioned reasons.
>>350215
>response to your own
I didn't post that drivel about Herodotos.
>>350089
>Christ have you never even fucking read Herodotus?
>Actually, to everyone talking about the "historical accuracy" and "race baiting," have you read any Greek historians at all?
Have you? I don't recall stuff like that in Herodotus or Xenophon. Herodotus has pretty deep portrayals of the Persian rulers, Cyrus is a great and enlightened man, Cambyzes is weak, Darius is a schemer, etc, etc. None of them are giant bondage piercing-wearing metrosexual Brazilians.Ditto for their subordinates and armies. They're consistently portrayed as regular people with feelings.
>Further, the movie sets up the narrative as a goddamn motivational speech before Platea.
That's a good point on the other hand, and worth underlining.
>>350165
>No one accepts Herodotus bullshit like when he said the Persians brought giant fucking ants you piece of shit.
They didn't bring them to war, he just mentions the fact that in Sind there are gold-digging ants. He doesn't claim to have seen them. And guess what, there is a species of marmot in Baluchistan (IIRC) that digs up gold dust when burrowing, and local people collect it. You can plainly see how the person that spoke to him didn't know the word for marmot in Greek, so just approximated it, which then got mistranslated as an ant.
>>348504
Great Book. Mini series misses out a lot but still well worth watching.
>>350221
Neither did I but his argument still stands.
>>350238
Herodotus is called the Father of Lies for a reason. He has the best of intentions but he often uses non-contemporary second-hand sources, gets locations and names wrongs, mixes up various sub-cultures of the Scythians a lot and so on.
Grote for examples underlines Herodotus being a terrible source for information about the Greek stand at Thermopylae when he frequently confused and mixed the Persian word for a "thosuand" with "ten thousand" and his overall huge inflationary numbers for the entire Persian force to be utterly unrealistic.
>>349857
It's aggravating how much of a sensitive kek you are.
In the end, the Persians were trying to enslave the Greeks, and even if the Greeks had their own problems, they were definitely more morally upstanding than the Persians.
You're actually being a bit racist by trying to pull the Greeks down to the level of the Persians just for the sake of saying "PERSIANS DINDU NUFFIN" like European and American movies are suddenly going to stop having a humanist bias, especially if it involves a foreign army coming to extend its dominion over us. Get over it man. Iran can make its own version, where they were running dangerously low on fuck boys and the evil Spartans wouldn't share any with them.
>>350291
Different anon responding:
>It's aggravating how much of a sensitive kek you are.
>kek
Spotted the /pol/fag.
>In the end, the Persians were trying to enslave the Greeks
That's not true, not even remotely in fact. The Greco-Persian Wars started over Athens and a few other city-states in mainland Greece sponsoring open revolts and uprising against Persian rule in Ionia which before hand had been completely placid and Cyrus had left them alone outside of the typical demand of minor taxation and loyalty. The transfer of dominion over the Ionian Greek colonies to Persian rule was legitimatized by Cyrus defeating and destroying the Lydian Empire.
Its the equivalent to the US going to war with Libya and Iraq for sending in terrorists and paramilitary inflitrators to commit terror attacks on US allies or on even US soil.
>they (Greeks) were definitely more morally upstanding than the Persians.
This is bait right?
>You're actually being a bit racist
This definitively bait.
>trying to pull the Greeks down to the level of the Persians just for the sake of saying "Persians DIDNU NUFFIN"
Definitively blatant bait.
>Where they were running dangerously low on fuck boys
Pederasty was most common in Sparta and among Dorian Greeks then any other people in antiquity, so that's some hilarious pot to kettle bullshit about deviance I've ever seen but I know you're baiting on purpose here.
>>350192
Other than the main character being inspired by an actual Englisman who ended up in Japan and became a samurai, not really all that accurate. It's all very plausible, at least.
>>350291
>You're actually being a bit racist by trying to pull the Greeks down to the level of the Persians just for the sake of saying "PERSIANS DINDU NUFFIN" like European and American movies are suddenly going to stop having a humanist bias
Yeah, you know, except for the fact that Persians were much closer to our modern humanist ideals than Greeks and especially Spartans.
>the idea inalienable human dignity
>the idea of human choice and free will being able to make the world a better place
>religious tolerance
>forbade slavery
>you might argue that Cyrus' cylinder was the first declaration of human rights
>>350322
Different Anon but..
>This is bait, right?
>>350291
Besides the blatant shitposting and baiting here, I'll also respond:
>In the end, the Persians were trying to enslave the Greeks
Bullshit #1. The Persian invasion of Greece was a military retaliation for political and military attacks by Greek sponsored and endorsed uprising in Ionia, the Greeks instigated hostilities lopsidedly against the Persians.
>they were definitely more morally upstanding than the Persians
That's also not true. In all Iranian and Iranic cultures, women had far more freedom and rights and priviledges then their Greek or Roman counterparts typically did; including serving in the military, being administrators, owning properties, initiating marriages or divorces, and holding lands and titles. Persians also outlawed slavery.
And the Cyrus Cylinder is the basis of the UN Charter of Human Rights.
>You're being a bit racist
How is he being racist?
>over us
Who is "us"? The Persians had no intention under Cyrus or Cambyses of marching into Europe and conquering anything. Darius doesn't do it until the Greeks again ignore his warnings to leave the lands of the Persian Empire alone while they continued to support the expulsion of Persian governors and uprisings in Ionia.
The invasion was a response to punish the Greeks for their antagonism and hostility iniatiated by the Greeks in the first place.
I don't care if I bit the bait but man you are full of it.
>>346170
>there will never be a film about Raymond of Tripoli starring Jeremy Irons and how he became the head of the last surviving Crusader dynasty
>>350182
>say what you want
>about based Mel
m8...
>>346273
>fucking a woman in you big-ass shine-white platemail
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>>344689
the baader meinhof complex
I actually have no idea how accurate/inaccurate this movie is.
I mean it's based on an actual event, and the people did in fact die like the movie says, and I think France actually banned the movie because it made their WW1 generals look like opportunistic assholes who didn't care for the lives of thier subordinates (but that was kinda true of most leaders back then).
But even then some of it feels a little too larger than life.
>>350547
France did not ban it. The government did put pressure on United Artists to refrain from releasing it in Europe, though.
>>350426
I've had this movie on my hd for years, I still need to see it
>>350547
It's "loosely based", which basically means the bullet points are true and Kubrick filled in the blanks with his own stuff.
>>350547
>it made their WW1 generals look like opportunistic assholes who didn't care for the lives of thier subordinates
it was mostly true of their rear officers, though I'm not sure about the upper brass.
Same problem the Italians had in WW2 really, but to a lesser degree.
>>350656
That being said though, Paths of Glory deserves to be on lists of the greatest war movies.
It also counts as a really good courtroom drama movie.
>>349750
based
>>346152
I think it's my favorite movie.
You people are retarded.
Whats the point of making a history movie thread if not to only post movies that are the both historically accurate and good?
<----- Here, faggots
>>346077
ruined by banderas but yes.
>>350178
Teeth were actually fairly good, a bit worn down at the back from rough ground bread but it's not till sugar became nice and cheap you got black fungus teeth as a regular thing
He probably would have lost a few being a spartan though, sucking all that cock in the barracks
>>350412
This is a bad feel anon
>>350412
>reading about the Crusader States
>they were actually pretty decent even for muslims.
Infact so much that lower and middle class muslims would migrate there
>>346152
Surprizingly good movie considering the rampant inaccuracies. The Movie in this thread.
>>348714
>genghis secret master plan to win his bro was to send ebin dual weilder swordmen
>>344689
One of my favourite movies. And what's more surprizing, despite being complete fantasy, it conveys very well the feeling of a couple of European explorers in the exotic mysterious lands of Hindustan and Central Asia during the XIX century. I liked the gurkha a lot.
>>350955
I don't think his teeth would be pearly white and capped.
>>346033
My only complaint was how they changed the character of Balian so much to make him a "relatable" protagonist.
He wasn't a bastard peasant blacksmith, for fuck's sake. Dude grew up in Ibelin and was raised as a nobleman. And he was in his late 40s during the events of Kingdom of Heaven. Basically, the real Balian was more like the character of Balian's father in the movie.
Kinski was a fucking genius. And a prick too
>>351824
Herzog must be the only guy capable of directing him. But man, if he's used well he can give some great performances. But he's impossible to use.
Very loosely based on a real event where conscripted Koreans kept being bounced around as POWs until they ended up in Normandy. I have some issues with it, but I enjoyed it
>>351836
Not only the film, but the circumstances in wich it was filmed. They actually pulled the ship over the mountain even when it didn't happen irl. Herzog rekt history.
>>351863
Oh yeah, I've seen Burden of Dreams, too. Herzog is so German.
>>349942
Then just maybe the fucker is wrong?
I didn't think it was movie of the fucking year but you have reached the point of projection.
>spot the minority
Every fucking time
>>352974
>minority
I'm pretty certain I am whiter then you, you ninny.
>responding almost half a day later
You are a serious loser, mate.
>>347720
>the fact that Japs have souls?
That's pretty inaccurate
