How golden was really the "Islamic Golden Age"?
>>316026
Fairly golden.
>>316026
It was pretty good. Mostly confined to math, astronomy, and medicine, but you could just as easily call it a Persian golden age since they did most of the work.
>>316026
It was alright. Basically Persians continued to have the same rate of advancement that they'd had for centuries, and also happened to be ruled by muslims.
>>316114
Yeah Persians really did everything there. Even our numerals aren't arabic, they came from India.
>>316127
>>316123
>>316114
>you could just as easily call it a Persian golden age
While Iranian converts were prominent, there was more to the era's literary output than can be reduced to just one ethnicity or culture.
>Basically Persians continued to have the same rate of advancement that they'd had for centuries
That I'm not very certain of. How much did Persian science and philosophy advance in the Sassanid era? Does it really compare to the rate of the Abbasid, Samanid, or Seljukid period?
>>316026
Europe was in relative decline. Middle East was in relative rise. That's it basically.
>>316114
>>316123
>>316127
Why is it that in every similar thread that mentions the Islamic Golden Age (and I also noticed the same in Wikipedia pages of scientists) do people quickly mention this fact?
Wasn't ethnicity not important back then as long as you spoken Arabic? In my head it's like saying Neil deGrasse Tyson is African, it doesn't add anything since he's been living and gotten his education in USA.
>>316026
It wasn't an Islamic golden age, it was an Arabian/Persian golden age, and the Arabs/Persias happened to be Islamic
>>316026
let me just say this.
From an Islamic perspective, the golden age was the age of mohammed.
in a hadith, mohammed states that his generation was the best, and the following one, was 2nd best, and after that, the 3rd best and so on.
another point is that, according to sunni islam, the only time when the caliphate was at its best and ruled by the best was at its beginning . The first five caliphs are regarded as the 'righteous' ones. they acted and represent the ideal muslim leader. no one else after that has gained such distinction, regardless of how many libraries they built.
the islamic golden age was a myth made up by orientalists to try to form a mythological balance that never occurred.
>>316026
it was a period where much of the world's knowledge was translated into one language (Arabic) archived and stored in one place. it was also encouraged to expand on that knowledge.
>>316249
Some people are interested in history for nationalistic or chauvinist reasons.
>>316311
what do muslims tip?
>>316026
If it wasn't for the Islamic golden age the Arab world would look like a shithole right about now
>>316310
>It wasn't an Islamic golden age, it was an Arabian/Persian golden age, and the Arabs/Persias happened to be Islamic
Except Islam is a major factor to it.
The two caliphates-theocratic monarchies at that-ended the major infighting in the middle east that was brought about by Byzantine-Sassanid shit wars and the decline of the latter.
>>316306
The only reason Arabs took credit for it was because it was written in Arabic.
>>316114
Did their social system change very much with the new religion? Like could you attribute the golden age to Islam or did the two events just coincide?
>>316249
It's just sperging over Islam being attached to anything positive, "it was the Persians!" ignores Moorish Spain, for instance, and "it was all copied off of the Greeks", well these people wouldn't be levelling the same memes at the Renaissance.
>>316332
By "ended" you mean swept in on the two historical rivals and conquered with an insatiable thirst for land?
>>316026
Arabic numerals which came from India and translation of Greek texts. It's aright.
>>316365
Precisely.
Sassanid Persia wasn't even a functioning state anymore. Its western half was wrecked thanks to Romans and Nomads were pouring in from the east and the lords inside it are rebelling left and right.
>>316332
Here's an em dash —
Use it carefully.
>>316351
There were a lot of different institutions that contributed to various aspects of the era, but for natural philosophy and theology the influence was certainly something new that hadn't existed before. This was the unique culture of the scholarly class, middle class merchants and bureaucrats who spent their lives not in static state academies and courts but traveling across the Middle East and North Africa, founding circles of students and teachers at mosques and madrassas that developed into pseudo-corporate schools, and making a living from a paper-based knowledge economy.
>>316026
It wasn't really due to Islam. Nor was it all that golden. The discoveries were already there. The middle-east and levant had been heavily hellenized since the time of Alexander the Great. All the arabs did was copy old greek and roman manuscripts and translate them to arabic. True, the caliphate was relatively secular, but it was by no means independent discoveries. I guess the same can be said of the renaissance. But that was a re-discovery. This was a discovery of something that was already there. Something that muslim conquerors (by then nothing more than a horde of different desert tribes united by newborn Islam) stumbled upon during their conquest of the east.
As it is Islam has not made anything outside the Quran that it can truly call its own. The architecture is byzantine. The learning is greek and persian. The numbers are indian.
>>316514
hilarious
>>316315
Yeah, I guess you're right, but it still puzzles me how they think they can just credit the work of scientists that was done in countries foreign to them just relying on ethnicity only.
A lot of their work was just preserving earlier knowledge, but they did a lot of their own stuff too.
A lot of astronomy, medicine, philosophy, science and alchemy came out of the Golden Age.
Look up Avicenna's Floating Man if you're interested in philosophy/alchemy.
>>316026
It was golden, they produced great literature, architecture and had some descent contributions to science.
btw golden age implies that that's the era when islamic civilization peaked, almost every country/civilization has it's own golden age.
>It was mostly Persians, not Arabs
Isn't it similar to Romans and Greeks in Roman empire? Romans hold political power, yes, but Latin culture was inferior to Greek one and was mostly imitation of Greek originals. Roman's contribution (as in native Latin-speakers writing in Latin) wasn't that great. On the other hand, many of Islamic Golden Age's thinkers lived in Al-Andalusia, far from Persian influences, so you can't just say it was Persians only.
>>316801
Latin culture was inferior to Greek one
Disgusting
>>316843
Forgot my meme arrow
>Latin culture was inferior to Greek one
