Who is your favourite modern artist (post-1863)?
For me, I would have to say Malevich, followed by Kirchner and Kandinsky.
>>298597
I am literally retarded. I don't know anythimg about art.
You seem really cool and cultured though, so here's a bump baebaecue sauce.
>>298605
I'm giving you another bump, because I am a nice guy.
Boccioni duh
>>298597
>Malevich
>Peasant period
Suprematistly distasteful.
>>298597
IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER: EGON SCHIELE, AND HUGO REINHOLD HÖPPENER.
Without a doubt Henri Matisse
>>298597
Egon Schiele and Francis Bacon
mandatory Gustav Klimt.
basic but gr8
>>299273
Sure sure, the cyclist isn't in motion in the frame.
The only one that comes to my mind is William Turner.
Grutzke
Duchamp, Anonymous 4chan user >>/pol/33181590, Female Celebes Crested Macaque. Museum Cleaning Lady.
Escher
>>298631
Good taste
De Chirico
![Joseph-Mallord-William-Turner-Paintings-Sun-Setting-over-a-Lake-1840-608x400[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SLR7vz5.jpg "Joseph-Mallord-William-Turner-Paintings-Sun-Setting-over-a-Lake-1840-608x400[1].jpg")
>>299673
I really like middle and particularly late Turner. Somewhat recently I went to an exhibition of his works, I thought it was an opportunity I shouldn't miss but wasn't particularly interested though I didn't expect to be moved. It was a revelation.
Felix Valotton
Edward Munch
Ludwig Meidner
Emil Nolde
Malewitsch
Joseph Beuys
Willem de Kooning
Pierre Soulages
Asger Jorn
Martin Kippenberger
Albert Oehlen
(Daniel Richter lol)
>>299856
ROFL grützke.
>>299356
Fantastically argued.
Giorgio de Chirico
that melancholy
>>300357
What is to argue if it is blatantly visible.
As a Viennese person you see plenty of Schieles a day, and theyre shallow and boring. Liking Schiele/Klimt/Kokoschka is literally anti-intellectualism. I wouldnt even use them as toilet paper.
>>300371
same goes for mucha, and everything modern. I don't know why austrian painting sucks so much ass
(link related, pic related) http://www.deviantart.com/tag/schiele
>>298597
Hopper, Malevich and lately I've been gaining a new appreciation for De Chirico
Also Stieglitz, Rodchenko, Moholy-Nagy, Joel Sternfeld and Eggleston in photography. Its an art too, and personally I generally find it more meaningful than actual painting when it comes to visual arts after the 1920's.
Also Harun Farocki as a filmmaker and contemporary artist.
>>300390
Also Hito Steyerl in Videography. Its an art too, and personally I generally find it more meaningful than actual painting when it comes to visual arts after the 1980ies.
Also Leni Riefenstahl as a filmmaker and contemporary artist.
(jokes aside Hopper, Rodchenko and Farocki = Patrician taste)
>>300418
>Hito Steyerl
Are you implying that Hito Steyerl is shit? Because I kinda saw a piece of hers last summer and loved it.
Pretty much Vaporwave in finearts form.
>(jokes aside Hopper, Rodchenko and Farocki = Patrician taste)
Thanks, I guess.
>>300426
I wasnt the same person
Are you actually provoking me now? Admiring Schiele is reserved for the retarded and the weeaboos. Pls go back to /a/ or /i/ or wherever you came from
>>300427
No I'm not. She might actually be the best contemporary artist around these days (alltho ranking and defining something as "best" also is trash, but shes defenitely gr8)
I just thought your statement about photography was kinda pointless as the medium is a totally different one, but i also tend to notice that the most theoretically based artists these days are photographers and videoartists(on the average at least).
>>300426
Also, check out factory of the sun by her if you ever get the chance. It's a home-run
>>300441
https://vimeo.com/136994348
>>300418
>>300418
I haven't seenany of her stuff, but I'm deeply suspicious of video art, maybe a good 80 percent of what I see in galleries is so completely anathema to my tastes that I can't understand an appreciation for it, like a window into the minds of autists on 4chan that can't hack anything less realistic than early impressionism.
>>300437
I just think you are providing fantastic arguments. They are well thought out, nobody could like Schiele after reading your posts.
>>300437
>I just thought your statement about photography was kinda pointless
True, but like I said, its a personal pointless preference, and I decided to post that because everyone was just naming painters
>She might actually be the best contemporary artist around these days
Her name definitely stood out in the exhibition for me.
>>300441
Will do. Thanks anon!
>>300454
...I was giving my best
>>300472
not the other anon, but even though I dont find Egon Schielle that great, he wasnt that bad either cmon.
Anyone who draws can find some form of admiration from his work.
>>300488
That is definitely true but there is no such thing as timeless aesthetics and Egon schieles work (He only got to get 26 years old so that is probably fine) never breached the barrier of being purely aesthetical. I can also get some admiration from evangelion neon genesis, in aesthetics, but that doesnt make it more meaningful as art.
dali is not strictly modern
I think kandinsky was one of the few who made abstract art worth noting
In my ranking i actually forgot Jonathan Meese.
>>300347
>Uneducated german perspective
tho.
pic related (Asger Jorn)
>>300472
Your best is very good.
desu I'm just butthurt because I like Schiele, I'm not a painter though. I can't articulate why I like a painting besides 'I like it'. I've only been to an Art Museum 3 times in my life, 3rd was last week.
>>300363
He's great
>>300166
Mah nigga.
Are there any 21st century artist who do "retro" art? Anything that focuses on movements from past centuries?
Jack Yeats
>>300319
Do you like Kippenberger?
>>301011
Of course.
"Partykeller-Malerei" is master race
>>300363
he da bomb
>>300979
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but all of them. Nothing new has spawned after twentieth century, as far as I've seen.
>>300979
Almost every successful, figurative, modern painter, since painting can be described, in some cases at least, as a form of thought of relating imagery to eachother, that in consequence, sees the contemporary visual participation as well as the collective memory, and mind as a playground to create perceptual realities, able to alienate common connotation to this imagery, that is never free of idiological connection, or identification.
There is no limit to whichever imagery is to be used, as painting is the science/philosophy/kindergarden/bullcrap of imagery in an imaginary room, in which your imagination and theoretical ability transforms imagery into a continuum of thought.
This basically afaict the most basic understanding one can have when trying to dissolve puzzles like(ranked after how easy to relate "real" imagery to:
cecily brown
yan pei ming
Daniel richter
li Song Song
Adrian Ghenie
(Marlene dumas)
tldr you cant skip art history, or the history of imagery as a whole, when trying to understand modern figurative painting, just watch interviews of^these people)
>>301031
Beuys
>>301125
Twentieth century. Invalid.
>>300514
Yeah, in that sense I completely agree.
Still, for some people art is just really purely aesthetics.
I'm not gonna get involved in a discussion about art and aesthetics though. That shit is toxic.
>>301031
wrong. completely wrong.
>>301399
Give me at least one -ism which started in current millennium and I will admit that I'm wrong.
>>301456
post internet-ism
>>301456
redditism
>>301821
>post internet-ism
send examples senpai
>>301842
Maybe coherent aesthetics is something that helps you identifying trends in the art world. If you are looking for that of course no one will be able to help you.
Post internet is actually just a meme-classification tho
https://stockphoto.com/search.php?q=startup%20business%20concept < literal modern art goldmine
>>301842
Internet memes.
No seriously.
Modern art is shit
>>301456
No exact -ism yet, but Hito Steyerl, which has been referred in this thread already, is a good example of someone who is part of a coherent aesthetic movement and a coherent message.
When it comes to naming, its still very much post-modernism.
But a specific, 21st century type of post-modernism.
Samori
Sargent is always fun
I want to get into art but I can only appreciate things that look realistic/interesting so I think I'm missing a major point. Something like this >>299673 isn't the most detailed thing but it does capture my interest for. But then people post shit like this >>299856 and I think that you have to be a piece of shit that wants to pretend to be deep or something.
>>303152
>But then people post shit like this >>299856 and I think that you have to be a piece of shit that wants to pretend to be deep or something.
Yeah, I'm sure that it's not simply that different people have different tastes, but instead there are a vast number of people out there that are all trapped into pretending to enjoy things that in reality nobody likes, but are all affecting an interest in for social cachet.
>>298597
Miró.
>>303937
what did his contemporaries think of this panting ?
![automat[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/d8vBU0K.jpg "automat[1].jpg")
Edward Hopper captures my feels
>>300363
mystery > melancholy
>>303953
Breton absolutely loved him, even though he didn't want to be associated with the surrealists. Throughout his lifetime he proved to be an extremely influential painter whose works significantly contributed to the development of abstract expressionism.
>>303896
grützke is mostly profanic and pretty cheap. google him before claiming that he wants to be deep
>>304060
>google him before claiming that he wants to be deep
I was being sarcastic, thought that was pretty clear.
>>305119
repin=god (with permission of kramskoi and perov)
![gittoes_install81[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/llU2HE3.jpg "gittoes_install81[1].jpg")
Favourite contemporary artist could be George Gittoes. I saw some of his stuff that came out of the 1995 Kibeho Massacre in Rwanda as a kid and it really left an impact, all of it was striking, some was stylistically bemusing for me but still very gripping, high impact stuff that left me glued there for a while. I've followed what he's up to since.
>>298597
I'm partial to Yeves Klein myself his aesthetic of absence really resonates with me. I am also way into street art I feel it's the natural extension of Duchamp's ideals of artis t as a commentator
Otto Dix
>>298597
It's Picasso
inb4 pleb
>>298597
Hugo Ball
Otto Dix
Marc Chagall
Gustav Klimt
Max Ernst
I don't have a favorite, there are too many that are too good in different ways for me to just pick one.
Have some Bacon.
I like René Magritte. :)
When Monet mastered his craft he made some really nice paintings.
Quite like Otto Dix, and Francis Bacon.
I'm a bit of a pleb though.
Pic Related
>>308722
Are(nigga) you(what) high(the)?
I seriously don't get modern art.
To me it seems really easy to argue that this piece of art for example is about A when it can easily be also about B, C, D, etc. So really half the definition of art that's about conveying a message is literally meaningless.
But when I see something that's clearly obvious about what it wants to tell you, then I go, "oh ok wow, that's pretty good.".
>>310083
You feel this way because you know absolutely nothing about art.
>modern "art"
>>310179
As someone who can appreciate modern art, I hate when people say that. What gives you superiority? The fact you have researched it a lot? Fair enough, I suppose, but then are you appreciating the art, or the context behind the art? Surely good art should not require the artist to be an aspect of it and should be appreciated by people who have no idea of the context.
>>310083
>>310854
Peasant.
>>303152
>>311286
>>311289
>>311291
btw i dont know what 'modern' means but i'm dumping some stuff
feel free to tell me to stop if you only want modern
>>311292
>>311294
>>298597
Mirò!!
>>301975
Memes have been getting more and more artistic. This Gondola one has been pretty creative at times. He reminds of fairies from folklore in my country.
This is despite the enormous autism surrounding memes btw, I'm not trying to excuse that.
Only well known ones I can think of are Otto Dix and the Group of Seven, but here is a painting from a different guy
Why 1863?
>>311461
Munch was born that year, i guess...
>>310083
Contemporary and post-modern art is all about context. Literally all art past the 1600's requires context to have some understanding of why it was important, why it was good-it would be like you looking at a mechanical pencil and saying it's no big deal. In the context of modernization and how long it took to get to the point of even having mechanical pencils, yeah it's kind of a big deal, even if it's mundane to us.
That being said most of it is a sham and is used to either launder money, or pretend to be superior over its' peers(You just don't GET it) without any objective standard. The latter mainly coming from the bourgeoisie who shunned Impressionism and thus were globally shown to be idiots as impressionism took off as a healthy deviation from the norm. But that went pants on head retarded when they were afraid to call anything "not art", and now you have this emperor has no clothes situation where no one is allowed to say anything, lest they be shunned for not "Getting it".
There has been a removal of objective standards in fine art, and I regularly find better work coming out of tumblr/deviantart fandom level artwork.
>>311573
Thank you good sir. I'm not the poster you replied to, but you just managed to put my mental argument into words.
I wholeheartedly agree.
>>311599
I could talk about this all day, honestly. It does just come down to the context of the art-that is why people can argue about it all day. It also comes down to taste, but it doesn't mean art is above being judged.
I'd also like to add that there has been a recent fascination with grotesque and ugly work that doesn't even attempt to connect to the viewer. Beauty and face value does matter in art, and this ironic teenager shtick of being as loud and "counterculture" as possible has gone on for way too long. It's the cheapness of shock value, when everyone is sick and tired of it. When I think of grotesque done right, I think of Francis Bacon, not what you see paraded around on contemporary exhibits.
Then you have a lot of contemporary fine art critics who call pretty art either kitsch(if it's not Kinkade, it's fine) or hotel art/Target art. The latter I can understand because you can go to most department stores and there are printed canvas with some abstract design, cheaply made and ready to be hung. It's devalued and completely shredded any sort of integrity "regular art" has. How can an artist compete with this mass produced work? What point is it being a shoe cobbler when they are manufactured in China?
This doesn't even touch upon the schisms between ateliers that call anything not realism garbage, and contemporary movements that consider realism rubbish. Not to mention countless other small movements, and how god damn fractured everything is because of technology(you can see anything, from anywhere, talk to anyone from anywhere).
Do Repin's later works count?
>>310083
Nothing wrong with subtlety or being able to interpret a piece in many ways.
>>313557
what's going on with the colours in this pic ?
