>nietzsche's philosophy is completely unrelated to nazism ideology
>>270067
Must be bait. If not, read some of his work and realise following a dwarf sized hotheaded leader is not really what it's all about.
>>270067
His sister's was.
>>270067
>Correlation equals causation
>>270067
Of course it was. It's one of the many things I love about Fred
>Nietzche's philosophy is completely compatible with revolutionary socialism
>>270067
I took a class on Nietzsche years ago and the first two lectures were fully dedicated to damage control and showing that he wasn't anti-semitic. kek
>Friedrich "Anti-Semites should be shot" Nietzsche.
>Related to Nazism.
>>270067
But it is.
Why did the Nazis even bother trying to co-opt Nietzsche? Why did they feel that they needed him?
>>273394
I can only imagine it was because they thought they needed a german "aryan" intellectual for their cause. And his family were willing to tow the party line.
They really couldn't have chose much worse, but history's funny like that.
>>270067
>non-nazis actually believe this
>implying nietzsche's philosophy wasn't limited by his nihilism and spite for the church, as well as his attribution of virtue to dogmatic peer pressure
>>273394
Because of master morality. Hence "ubermensch".
Well, it isn't less related than compatible with people who claims they are marxists, and specially post-modern types.
>>273368
yeah that meme really cut into his cred aong normies, to put in 4chan parlance. his german nationalism was strong in his early writings and in is support of Wagner but as the years wen on he largely gave up that position. even to the extent of claiming to be polish later in life. as for the Jews he mentions them several times directly in The Gay Science and generally expresses aprobation in his way. In spite of railing against obscurantism Neitche is rarely explicit in his ideas and his aphoristic style means that while connecting threads are woven throughout his work they aren't collected into neat packages. Having only read 2 of his books and a few essays my perspective is a bit limited but is seems that the efforts of his sister after he went insane have a lot more to do with his antisemetic reputation than the actual content of his work does
>>273445
yeah his understanding of world religions in general and eastern philosophy is pretty weak. Hearing him comment of Buddhism was a little sad. His upbringing and cultural context shaped his ideas to a huge degree to the point that there is little by the way of universal truth or universally applicable ethics to his philosophy. This however does not invalidate his commentary withing that context, as he did possess strong insight and a turn of phrase which lends itself to philosophical discourse
Nietzsche probably would've found something wrong with Hitler enough to oppose him, but that doesn't mean Nietzsche wasn't basically a fascist.
>>273454
You know, somebody told me NEETzche apologists who use that whole "n-nah bro it was his sister and her white supremacist husband pranking all of you, it was just a prank" response are becoming few and far between. A lot of academia has seriously reconsidered the more proto-fascists elements of NEETzche's works and some think that it fits in perfectly given the context of his other work. Kind of a joke to assume all the bad parts were just added in by his literal Nazi sister. Also this person held the philosophy chair at my old university so I'm inclined to sort of believe him
>>273489
You know, he always struck me as this sort of proto-sperglord. Like he says the most ignorant things with the fullest assurance of misplaced self confidence that just sound hilariously stupid coming from anybody's mouth. My favourite is his bit about how he's a man built for war and conquest as it is coursing through his veins when in reality he never saw combat a day in his life except in a book.
Like now-a-days we associate that kind of buffoonary with armchair soldiers but give this sad little man a pass.
>>273577
He probably literally had Aspergers. There are psychologists who think Hitler did, as well as Kant and Einstein and Newton
>>273551
I'll need a source for that friendo. I'm not attacking you it's just been pretty well established that his sister's husband fucked with his writing once the syphilis hit.
>>273592
eienstain was diagnosed with some form of autism
>>273614
I feel like the burden of proof should fall on you. The sister strikes me as conspiracy bait to try and salvage the image of a once popular and provocative dude whose philosophy became the cornerstone for arguably the worst authoritarian government in history.
Like I know the sister and her husband tried to found the whites only commune thing in Paraguay. I am definitely aware of that context. I understand she and him were hardcore vitriolic racists and antisemitss but beyond her being his editor for a time what tangible proof is there that she really rewrote his stuff to sound more in tune with nationalistic fervour? How are we certain that there was no massive structural reedits so that it would lend itself better to nationalistic and proto-fascist movements?
I'm gonna be straight up with you though, I have never liked Nietschze. His supporters always come across arrogant and what little I've read by him, namely Beyond Good and Evil, seems to fit in tune with how I imagine him to be. By no means am I well read on the guy but if you have some credible stuff then by all means share. I am willing to be convinced
>>273577
He served in the franco-prussian war I thought?
He was pretty frail though
>>273592
Kant was super autistic desu
>>273694
Nah he was like a clinical orderly if I recall correctly. He never fought in any battles
>>273703
Yeah but he was autistic in the good way. Like Kant really blurred the line between incomprehensible genius and obessive mental illness and that's a great thing.
All the greats are pretty autistic in their own unique ways. They used their powers for good obviously
>>273689
It's been a while, but I remember that in Ecce Homo he mentioned that he broke his relations with Wagner because the man was an anti-semite. I'll have to go back to find the exact page.
He was pretty critical in of German nationalism and government in general. I always find it weird when people try to read a political philosophy into Nietzsche. From the books I read (Beyond Good and Evil, Zarathustra, Twilight of the Idols, Ecce Homo), all he does is criticize government and most things in general.
Nietzsche didn't build much, he just went around criticizing. What concerned him the most was the development of the self I feel.
>>273689
As far as I'm aware the only thing she's accused of manipulating heavily was the will to power. She managed his estate after he died and used it to support the nazi party doctrine. The nazis didn't forge his works as much as cherrypick certain parts and either ignore their context or just have a crude understanding of them. The most blatant example being their concept of the ubermensch.
As has been pointed out though, Nietzsche couldn't stand pan-germanism, at one point insisting he wasn't german at all, and thought anti-semites were morons.
>>273689
The Gay Science, Aphorism 377:
[...] No, we do not love humanity; but on the other hand we are not nearly "German" enough, in the sense in which the word "German" is constantly being used nowadays, to advocate nationalism and race hatred and to be able to take pleasure in the national scabies of the heart and blood poisoning that now leads the nations of Europe to delimit and barricade themselves against each other as if it were a matter of quarantine. [...] We who are homeless are too manifold and mixed racially and in our descent, being "modern men," and consequently do not feel tempted to participate in the mendacious racial self-admiration and racial indecency that parades in Germany today as a sign of a German way of thinking and that is doubly false and obscene among the people of the "historical sense." We are, in one word—and let this be our word of honor!— good Europeans, the heirs of Europe, the rich, oversupplied, but also overly obligated heirs of thousands of years of European spirit: as such, we have also outgrown Christianity and are averse to it, and precisely because we have grown out of it, because our ancestors were Christians who in their Christianity were uncompromisingly upright; for their faith they willingly sacrificed possessions and position, blood and fatherland. We—do the same. For what? For our unbelief? For every kind of unbelief? No, you know better than that, my friends! The hidden Yes in you is stronger than all Nos and Maybes that afflict you and your age like a disease; and when you have to embark on the sea, you emigrants, you, too, are compelled to this by— a faith! [...]
He can be edge as fuck sometimes, but he wasn't proto-fascist.
>>273577
>My favourite is his bit about how he's a man built for war and conquest as it is coursing through his veins when in reality he never saw combat a day in his life except in a book.
Because he was totally being literal, right, champ? Just like there were people who were actually chained up in a cave competing in Shadow-naming Olympics. There can't possibly be a thing such thing as allegorical writing in philosophy, can there?
>>273740
>Nietzsche didn't build much, he just went around criticizing
Well yeah, that's his entire schtick. He admitted it himself. He was basically the "ideas guy" of 19th century philosophy.
>>274029
Fascism pretty much means edgy now, though.
Would nietzsche writing be a good starter for someone whos never into'd philosophy before?
>>270067
IIRC didn't Nietzsche want the anti-semites lined up against a wall and shot or something?
>>270067
Neitzsche's philosophy, especially in Beyond Good and Evil, was completely different from Nazi ideologies. People believe that Neitzsche's Ubermench was adopted by Hitler but to be an Ubermench there were many values that you could not share with Nazis. But the idea of 'the herd' completely opposed Nazi ideology in almost every way.
>>270067
Doesn't help your credibility when your English is shit.
>Nazi ideology
>Nazism
>NSDAP ideology
ftfyc
>>276567
If you start from one of his easy books like Genealogy of Morality than you can read him as your first. Anti-Christ is also fairly easy.
