If Christianity and liberalism are the slave morality, is Islam the master morality?
It's the same shit as christianity with more slavery as far as I'm aware.
Islam literally means submission.
>>264476
Islam is a slave morality.
Absolutely.
>>263040
Nietzsche on Islam
from The Antichrist translated by: H. L. Mencken
>"If Islam despises Christianity, it has a thousandfold right to do so: Islam at least assumes that it is dealing with men…."
Unfortunately Islam is practiced by insane Arabs. Even if the religion is less slave moralizing than Christianity it's people are nuts. Keep in mind Nietzsche probably never actually met an Arab face to face. All his understanding would come from history books and reading their holy book.
>>265785
How? Islam seems more legalistic and life-denying.
>>265787
Only on the surface. Islam, just like Judaism, allows man to pay for his misdeeds with sacrifices and afaik doesn't have original sin. Therefore, man can still pursue his life desires and be a just man. Christianity, on the other hand, literally makes it impossible for man to be just without constantly submitting to Christ's grace and entirely denies that life in itself has a good direction.
I'n pretty new to Nietzsche though, would be interesting in more substantiated opinions.
>>264476
>Islam
>literally means submission
>anything but slave morality
>>265860
A big reason Nietzsche had more respect for Islam was it's warrior culture, this is also something he praised about Judaism. There's a great deal of battle going on in the Old Testament. In both religions conflict is celebrated, while the Christian God rejects this natural part of life. The way sin is handled as you described is also another example, sin in Judaism is temporary, you don't develop a guilty complex over it. I'm not sure if it's the same in Islam. Another point is the emphasis on afterlife escapism, which Nietzsche views as life-denying. Judaism has the minimal emphasis on the after-life, it doesn't even exist in some interpretations. Islam a little more so and Christianity more so. You can also contrast the views of martyrdom, as a guaranteed ticket to heaven. The Islamic martyr is a warrior who dies in battle, very noble. While something like Saint Peter or Christ himself is just victim worship.
Overall he see's the Christian God as being a rival to the real world, there's a hostile divide between the spiritual and the material, one is asked to choose one over the other. Concepts like origenal sin insult the real world to make one want to reject it. The Jewish and to a lesser degree the Muslim God co-exists with the material world rather than being a rival.
Unfortunately I think Nietzsche gives only a few sentences on the subject of Islam. I wouldn't say he has sweeping praise of the religion (pretty much any religion other than the Greek one has problems according to him), for instance he points out Islam also has Christianity's the virus like desire to spread. We also know he is against any institution that destroys individualism. It's also important to distinguish he is talking about the spiritual aspect of Islam, not the Arab states or it's policy on law.
>>264476
> is Islam the master morality?
no
islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms
>>264498
the relationship between man and God in Christianity and Islam are polar opposites
>>264476
no luciferianism is the master morality
sell your soul for material power.
>>264476
Slave and Master morality are useless "Great Man" ways of thinking.
>>264476
Does OP likes cock ?
>>266024
The real reason tho is that like others with eastern religion (such as Schopenhauer with Buddhism), he just misunderstood Islam and knew almost nothing about it.
In reality it's not better and the biggest critical point of view of Nietzsche towards Christianity (morality and the after-life, or the ''other world'') could easily be ascribed to Islam. Just like the criticism of Freud and Marx (and therefore of all three hermeneuts of doubt) can be applied to Islam, easily.
>>268066
Agreed. His understanding of Islam would have come from historical study, if you looked at Islam from the perspective of it's 'golden age' where it was greatly influenced by Persian and Greek mythology you can see how the religion would be viewed more favorably than it deserved if your only experience with Islam was history books. This is how Nietzsche would have learned about the religion, he would have never directly encountered the religion and seen it's true colors.
>>264476
No you retard.
The classical morality is that of ancient nobility.
The pagan greeks or germans for example.
Why is slave morality bad?
I think this is abusing connotative terms in a dishonest form of argumentation.
Is man not already a slave to himself? His emotions? His family?
>>264476
>Christianity
>Liberalism
>Islam
Which one doesn't belong in the group...
>>264476
>religion
>master
pick one
>>271446
Slave morality=/=being a slave. You can be a king, president, or millionaire and still be practicing slave morality. Morality is how you think, not your social position(although they are related). Most slave morality systems do say it is good to be a slave through. It usually happens that those that invent slave morality are themself slaves, so they end up saying that it's good to be a slave or at the very least to think like a slave.
Slave morality is bad because it ends up condemning the very things that are necessary for growth. Morality is a pyramid of values and slave morality is all about flipping the Master's morality upside down to spite him (example: Christianity, Liberilism, SJW). Everyone ends up having the mentality of a slave, even the people that are supposed to be leading.
Read the Genealogy of Morality. It's pretty easy to find a free copy.
>>264476
Islam literally reveres the concept of being an unthinking, unquestioning slave.
"Slave of God" is a title people aspire toward.
>>271446
Slave morality isn't bad. In fact Nietzsche never says it's worse than master morality or gives a preference to master morality. Only the misinformed use 'slave morality' as insult.
>>264476
Of course.
>>264476
No, Islam is super-slave morality.
Even in Christianity there's roundabout theological justifications for coming out on top in the end, but Islam is straight up "God is king, you and everyone else are literal slaves" theology,
>>273079
2bh the idea of future British chav youth being jacked Islamic extremists is pretty kick-ass.
>>273060
of course it's bad. nietzsche wanted to prevent the last man. why the fuck do you think he wrote the genealogy-book at all? it's the third main component behind the christian legacy ethics which he sees responsible for egalitarianism, socialism, nihilism and modern decadence in general.
the other two components he identifies as herd mentality and permissiveness (which he didnt connect specifically with jews, hence why perhaps the slave-morality became the most infamous)
>>273117
The Overman was supposed to transcend both slave and master morality ya dingus
>>273131
no, the overman is supposed to be "the Roman Caesar with Christ's soul"
and in nietzsche's social utopia, the overman are at the top of the pyramid in an authoritarian caste system.
besides, even if the overman is an open concept with a new morality, it doesnt change the fact that nietzsche valued master morality ("vornehmheit", aristocracy or patriciandom) above slave morality.
>>273155
The closest thing identified to be an Overman is Cesare Borgia. Coincidentally also a great inspiration of The Prince by Machiavelli.
The essence of an Overman is a tyrant tempered with the soul of an artist. It's the modern vision of a philosopher king, but so much more debonair and so much more ruthless.
islam is surrender it is slave morality sold to surplus males to convince them to jihad
Nietzsche didnt like either of those moralities. for him Master morality was slightly better but all his books are about brainstorming a third option
>>264476
Most political ideologies rely on some sort of subordination so you can't really put it like that. Some people are, others aren't.
>>264476
No, the Illiad, the Odyssey and the Aeneid are master morality
>>273708
he liked master morality, but he thought it would go extinct naturally with the gradual disappearance or "inter-mixing" of the old aristocratic families with lower classes. at the same time he thought it was impossible to return to a more archaic epoch where such a master morality could reappear again. on the other hand slave morality wouldnt disappear naturally.
>>273887
What's very odd is Nietzsche clearly likes master morality but he says he himself is 'ammoral'. This is not a contradiction though. The thing about morality is genuinely conceived as rules that you follow. Once you understand WHY morality is made and what the rules are all about than you sort of transcend morality. Morality, even master morality is just a step towards certain aims. It's not about the morality but the goal itself.
There is a difference between someone that practices master morality because they are taught it vs someone that practices master morality while understanding morality is just a tool. So the 'end' of master morality is just waking up to the truth about morality.
Slave morality stays around because it operates on different mechanics. While master morality is practical, slave morality is fueled by resentment. As long as there are successful people there will be unsuccessful people that get butthurt. Just look at the SJW movement, pure slave morality based off nothing more than jealous revenge fantasies against the 'evil master'.
