Since religion is relevant to this board, let's see what the religious demographic of /his/ is.
http://strawpoll.me/6035542
Vote on the poll and tell your religion and denomination ITT. Discuss/debate with others in the meantime.
>>255073
I believe meta threads are against the rules. Mods hate community.
OP here claiming Theravada Buddhism.
If the Zoroastrian vote legitimate then I'd like to discuss that faith with an adherent.
>>255073
Orthodox Jew reporting in.
>>255085
Would this be considered a meta thread?
I'm not discussing something about the thread, I'm discussing something that the board rules permit me to discuss, which is religion.
im pagan/spiritual. not a neck-beard hipster either
>>255086
its a meme
>>255073
who /sunni/ here
>tfw my very existence triggers the shit out of this board
>>255091
How Orthodox?
>>255100
In as non-trolling an attitude as I can possess, aren't you going against the Qur'an by posting a picture of a living being?
>>255100
i hope you grow out of it one day
>>255113
>gook cartoon girl
>living being
>>255073
Traditional KJV-Only Bible Baptist reporting in. All other choices on that graph are literally Satan-tier especially Judaism. Judaism as it exists today is the purest form of Satan worship and God-hate that has ever existed, borrowed from pure demon-worshiping practices of the Babylonians and the Egyptians. Always, when the Israelites committed apostasy, the would turn to their god, Moloch and worship under the sign of their god, Remphan. These are powerful archdemons under their archdemon Ba'al or Baalzebub or Beelzebub or Lucifer.
I will not bend the knee to Baal.
>>255100
salam 3alaykum ya akhi shloonak?
>2 votes into zoroastrianism
Secular Hindu
>>255102
Hasidim != Orthodox. They're their own group.
>>255129
is this the birth of an epic new meme?
>>255124
alright that's nice but you don't have to post anymore once you've voted
>>255124
Why does the KJV deliberately mistranslate parts of the Greek manuscripts? For instance, the omission of "Isaiah" in Mark 1:2.
>>255122
The rule specifies drawing eyes specifically, does it not?
I thought it was the Shi'ites that didn't really care about drawings.
Unrelated: Captcha now asking me for patios. What the hell, can we just go back to the old one?
>>255145
>not using 4chan x and setting it to the captchas of old
I grew up in a Baha'i house and spent lots of times around Baha'is. I even signed one of the little cards, but I don't really consider myself one. I still selected it.
>>255095
It's meta in that you are discussing the makeup of a community that discusses history and the humanities instead of discussing history and the humanities themselves.
I was really rooting for Zoroastrianism.
>>255140
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus
This guy. Him, along with earlier manuscripts, say prophets (plural) and not just Isaiah. Its really not that big of a deal, but Mark 1:2 quotes the book of Psalms. Irenaeus says prophets.
Really the reason for KJV only has to do with newly revealed manuscripts like the Dead Sea Scrolls being used in more modern translations. That, along with revisionist sentiments among modern followers of the PC (False) Gospel of Christianity Lite, modern translations are not to be trusted. Especially NIV. Absolute garbage. NIV actually mistranslates the titles of Jesus and Satan, using the same title for both. Jesus has always been, the morning star, and Satan has always been the son of the morning, but because of similarities between the titles, people have equated them in order to mislead and confuse.
Checking in for the Mormons!
>>255179
What are they?
>>255086
Where's Generic Buddhism/Casual Buddhism?
>>255222
But I already put Mahayana in.
>Not even a single option for pagans/heathens/wicca/animism/etc.
Ya dun goofed, OP.
Why is paganism not an option?
t. pagan
>>255266
http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-weight-loss-diets
>>255217
Imagine if the Second Coming of Jesus was a Persian. Happened around the same time the Seventh Day Adventists were founded.
They're really nice people, and aren't very pushy. They just think they're the current titleholder to "successor of all religions"
>>255203
Actually, it's quoting Malachi, but whatever.
>>255073
I'm Asatru, not trying to be an edge lord or anything it is genuinely what I believe in, just wanted to say it here since there is no option on the poll
>>255274
european paganism isn't a real religion, it's dead.
it's like satanism but that never existed in the first place.
>>255288
Oh, you're right. My bad. Thanks, anon.
>>255317
>but satanism is coldsteel the religion. paganism is also coldsteel the religion
>>255329
you sound angry friend. satanism is a new age attempt to have a metal tier anti-moral nihilistic religion. paganism is a belief in pre-christian european deities and following pre christian practices. maybe you dissapprove but it is nothing like satanism.
>>255344
They're both religions for people who want to be different and haven't grown up yet.
>>255303
So like Amerindian ghost dancing?
>>255317
but it's dead. all the priests are dead and the tradition was discarded or absorbed into christianity. if you're a celt you're seriously out of luck too. almost nothing was preserved.
being a cultural hellenist or something might be fun but it's long gone. actually believing in those gods? get real
>>255349
not really
>>255350
thats more of a cargo cult type thing
>>255359
irish mythology is actually extemely well preserved, as is norse, and of course roman and greek
Also heres the pic i wanted with >>255369
>>255369
yes, really.
>>255386
not really desu senpai
this can go on forever
>>255384
That's a picture of a man who wants to be different and hasn't grown up yet.
>>255391
a man with a wife, three children, who owns land, and makes a living off his music and his board game
hes not exactly metalhead living in his mothers basement
>>255073
>nazism
>a religion
wtf?
>>255410
thats hinduism idiot
thats hoq hitler got the symbol, theyre the original aryans
>>255407
>Any of these
>Evidence that he's a mature person
>>255410
nice
>>255410
lol
>>255073
>Jews and Muslims and Buddhists all post on 4chan regularly
>No one else would ever know about that except for threads like this
I can never visualize Anons as being anything else than dweeby whitebread atheists with ideologically extreme outlooks on life. Seeing polls like this always throw me up. I wonder sometimes if 4chan is secretly the most diverse place on the internet but nobody ever notices because its fucking 4chan.
>>255407
i like varg's music but he's a fucking nut. really bad at history too.
>>255317
>>wicca
>>paganism
>>the same
I didn't imply that, and furthermore I personally find wiccans to be obnoxious milksops almost unilaterally. I was just remarking that none of those beliefs were present in the poll.
>>255421
It's probably majority white males, but our views are definitely diverse.
Especially between different boards.
>>255452
it's just you have heathenism, paganism and animism (animism is basically paganism+native non european religions from what i know) and then i see wicca. I see what youre saying though
>>255073
>Pr*testants
>Christians
Islam and Hinduism are the only real religions out there today.
Everything else is just too whitewashed, diluted, and commercialized. Modern capitalism, consumerism, and materialism has killed religion.
>>255542
Roman Catholic church is the only real religion in the world. Everything else is meme-tier :^)
>>255581
>tumblr: the religion
>"only real religion in the world"
>>255073
Not in the poll, but I'm Sikh.
>>255598
PIL
I
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>>255073
A Jew and a fire worshipper.
At least theres no Nusyris
>>255592
>tumblr the religion
>The pope literally called transfag rights the same as a nuclear arms race
Not quite bud
>>255421
/v/ is usually agreed to be one of the worst boards.
It has the most differing opinions and the second largest population (/b/ is largest, though /v/ went faster than /b/ a couple times during gamergate) so it could be said to be one of 4chans most diverse boards.
Food for thought.
>>255418
Just curious, what constitutes a mature person in your opinion?
Someone should start a thread off that question. I won't, but someone should.
>>255258
Wrong answer senpai
>>255610
differing thoughts on bullshit video games no one cares about
theyre all unified by their neckbeardliness though. here, we are united by love of history. so its a different kind of diversity
>diversity of diversity
feela like the EU in here senpai
>>255629
FUCK THEY FIGURED OUT MY WORDFILTER MEMERY SENPAI
fucking normies
>>255598
Bruh. Sikh is God-tier.
>>255633
Why do they have all the best cyrillic word filter evaders figured out
im mad now
>>255073
>dat result
I fucking knew it. At least half of the people claiming to be religious here are just contrarian trolls who can't handle being associated with the stereotypical overweight fat atheist fedora neckbeard on Reddit.
I can cheat that poll,
> simply use a 4g or 3g connection
> vote
> delete cookies
> reset connection
> repeat process
>>255073
I highly doubt we actually have five Zoroastrians.
>>255416
No, you dip. The swastika has been a prominent symbol in the cultures of the various and sundry European peoples for thousands of years; even without the so-called "aryan connection" it would be difficult to find any one historical symbol more representative of European (and especially German, as they slapped it on everything) heritage than that one which is the exact goddamn reason that the nazis picked it. If you're northwestern yuro and going to go all the way with "muh heritage" then your options are basically a sun cross or a swastika and the latter is much more dramatic.
>>255317
>Gaelic pagan
You may as well be Wiccan 2bh.
If your religion is half-anthropology, half-asspulls then you're safer with 100% asspulls.
>>255658
I'm a pessimist yet I assume we have higher standards here.
>>255652
>Zoroastrians of /his/
/pol/beards pretending to be aryan
>Catholics of /his/
/pol/beards erping as crusaders
>Orthodox of /his/
/pol/beards who think Orthodox is some racist black metal version of Christianity
>protestants of /his/
southern /pol/beards
>>255668
irish mythology is just as well preserved as norse. it just doesnt have the international recognition from meme comic books and movies.
>>255460
No one as mental as Varg can possibly be happy with their life.
>>255673
> Be an autistic neckbeard with a tiny penis.
> See Christian poll
> spent 3 hours trying to skew the results
>>255609
>Oh yes, take in all those refugees, gringos.
The pope is a c*ck.
Where's European Revived Pagan/Folk Religion, OP? Shinto? Sikhism?
>>255073
Oh, boy, we're gonna have these polls a lot, looks like.
http://strawpoll.me/5899294/r
>>255678
he's not mental, he's just racist and sonewhat dumb. also he was raised by shitty parents, in iraq no less
>>255677
It really isn't. We have a little information on gods and legends but any substantial information on religious practices, or anything comprehensive enough about it for it to have a viable revival is totally non-existent.
>muh skewed polls
How butthurt can one be about irreligion?
>>255701
>I just recognize that his philosophy and writings are absolutely nuts.
While I agree he's not 100% in the head, he's certainly not batshit and has more knowledge and research, and professional work done in the Norse religions.
Don't look at his personal views, and filter his theories, but he is one of the better ones in his field.
And that's more than the 99% on /his/.
>>255706
Buddhism isn't being voted on at all, I'm going to give them 2 votes.
>>255701
tbf euronymous was fucking crazy. imo the most controversial thing about him should be church burnings. and i agree, his philosophy is pretty dumb, although he did introduce me to paganism as an alternative to christianity and tipping a fedora.
>>255706
extremely. only catholics and atheists would ever do this.
>>255713
he's good with mythology (which i dont care about because im irish so it doesnt really apply to me) but his politics is batshit
>>255719
buddhism is nice. I like how syncretic it is with native beliefs.
>>255729
>>he's good with mythology (which i dont care about because im irish so it doesnt really apply to me) but his politics is batshit
Exactly what I said.
Then again I'm studying my own local paganism (Netherlands, so Germanic-Celtic) and have used his research in aid of mine.
>Catholics are 12% of the board
KEK
>m-muh /his/ is a catholic board deus vult
>>255747
>giving the votes to Vajrayana
Why, anon?
You don't like the Dalai Lama, do you?
>>255740
im just glad i come from a culture that has its mythology so well preserved. just look at the welsh, the spanish, or the arabs. they dont know shit about shit because it was destroyed before it could be written down
>>255750
what im wondering is where all the orthodoxes are coming from. is it just edgy american protestants who think it's edgy metal vampire slav christianity?
Protestant Christian (Baptist)
>Judaism (reformed)
>>255778
>there are still 2 million zoroastroans
how does this work lads
Atheist.
>mfw people tell me the answer is unknowable
I put protestant but I'm really an Arian Christian. Fuck Catholics they are the real heretics. I don't agree with protestant Christianity but their doctrine of "Scripture only" I can respect. But the trinity nonsense has to go. Jesus is not God, he is the SON of God. Jesus was God the Father's first creation.
>>255813
At what point was the Holy Ghost tacked on and why? Seems kinda unnecessary.
>>255821
>imo atheists should suck it up and join a religion just for show
naw m8 fuck you
>>255821
>imo atheists should suck it up and join a religion just for show. religion is too important to culture to simply abandon.
ugh fine
zoroastrianism is pretty swag I guess
someone teach me how to properly revere zoroaster and ahura mazda
>>255830
The Holy Ghost is not a person but God the Father's spiritual presence.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I do not at all believe there are legit zoroastrians on this board
>>255840
I mean unless you're a persian it's totally pointless. Zoroastrianism has always been dead in the west. They need a strong base back home if the religion has any hope of surviving islam.
>>255821
>imo atheists should suck it up and pick a favorite football team just for show. football is too important to culture to simply abandon.
>>255145
Fuck off.
>>255842
WOW, that answers nothing.
>>255767
>what im wondering is where all the orthodoxes are coming from. is it just edgy american protestants who think it's edgy metal vampire slav christianity?
Are you a fucking idiot? You haven't seen the masses of slavs on /int/ and /pol/. Religious revival in Eastern Europe is like an extremely recent thing.
>>255844
>you probably need to learn persian or something first
well I speak turkish so I'm halfway there already
maybe I should take up tengriism instead
>>255844
>but muh culture
Pretending to be something you're not defiles a culture more than being irreligious.
Doing something in name of a false religion or just because "we have to, I guess?" instead of using your rational mind is the end of a culture.
You'll become a mindless drone, a sheep. In other words, American.
But seeing your grammar and spelling you're not older than twelve anyway.
>>255858
Well that was rather rude.
>>255767
4chan is absolutely loaded with Slavs.
>>255801
So tell me, how you know the answer
>>255073
Why is there no "Christian (Oriental Orthodox)"?
>>255837
Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
The Bible doesn't explicitly state when God(the Father) created Jesus.
Here's proof Jesus is not God
Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD: and I will write upon him my new name.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and YOUR GOD.
Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, AND PRAYED, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast thou forsaken me?
See? I can quote hundreds more verses.
>>255113
Wait, Muslims can't post images of people?
>>255881
Can confirm.
The Russian hate on /int/ is real, any time there's a pro-communist thread the Slavs swarm it and shut it the fuck down.
They also hate leftism with a passion, thanks to Comrade Soviet.
>>255113
No. The only restriction in that regard are religious figures (i.e. You cannot show Jesus the Christ's face in a painting but his body may be apparent)
>>255888
Book of Genesis.
[1:1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,
[1:2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.
[1:3] Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
The first creations were the Heavens and Earth.
I also don't give a shit about your desert lord, as I'm irreligious. Raised a Calvinist but abandoned the cross.
>>255859
I don't understand what you were asking. Please clarify
>>255899
Where have all the passages about not drawing anything that's supposed to be a living being been coming from?
I've seen tons of muslims talk about that.
>>255785
>3 votes
>>255904
>as I'm irreligious. Raised a Calvinist but abandoned the cross.
Good, you were predestined to Hell, Reprobate. LOL
>>255907
Hadiths, mostly. The only passages actually in the Quran regarding the subject are basically denouncing idolatry.
>>255905
God is... God.
Jesus is the son of God sent to die for humanity's sins.
The Holy Ghost is... the Holy Ghost doesn't seem to be anything. It has no purpose. No reason for being. What it is is never explained.
>>255915
>Catholic filth
The very basis of your church is grounded in heresy and earthly ambitions of power.
Get fucked. The whole lot of you. The very existence of a Pope, called "Holiness" is corruption and perversion of Christ.
>predestined to hell
Further proof of your idiotic mind not knowing a single shit of Christianity is that you're not predestined.
>>255926
It sounds awfully neat though, doesn't it?
>>255933
>Papal logic
fanfiction.net tier.
get rekt christfags
>>255956
Is that that fat angry video game dude?
Sunni Islam here, not really surprised that the board is majority irreligious.
Alright guys, who's the one Shia here?
>>255969
So why isn't there an option for "other"?
>>255978
You mean Zoroastrianism?
>>255976
That's not Muhammad you uneducated pleb.
>>255926
As I understand it the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are equally individual beings and God; the Father is God as the father, the Son is God as man and the Holy Spirit is God as Logos in the Stoic sense.
>>255992
Logos? You aren't clearing things up.
>>255983
No, I mean "other". As in, not in the list. There's a lot of polytheistic religions around the world not listed.
Buckle up sempai
www.loyno.edu/~folse/stoicism.html
>>255073
Reform Jew. Atheist but still participate in religious ceremonies and have very religious family.
>>256042
Josh?
>>255073
agnostic
>>255976
>Not even a picture of Muhammad (pbuh)
Pretty poor effort 2bh
tfw special snowflake (Baha'i)
My cousins grew up in a catholic house, so I get how that happens, especially since we went over for every christmas. But how do other religions feel about Christmas? I personally love the season, the whole celebration of winter.
This poll looks like world military expenditures if atheist/agnostic is the US and all Christian denominations are the other NATO countries.
Who posted the pool on reddit?
>1 baha'i
triggered
>>256136
Why?
>7 votes for Zoroastrianism
>religious people are less than half of all posters
>religious threads are more than half of the catalog
So basically all any religious person ever talks about on /his/ is just religion?
I really wish this were a history board more so than a /pol/ christian spillover board.
>>256148
Get ready for a board of religious generals and glorified cheerleader threads, familia
>>256148
Me as well. I want history and nothing but history.
Way to not include my religion in there Op.
>>256148
Most threads are by atheists I'd bet. Religion memes are amusing.
>>256162
Well change your religion. Make it work.
>>255091
Oy vey
Kind of rude not to include my beliefs
>no other option
Bravo ya stupid kuk
>>255073
Lutheran Christian.
>>255124
>KJV-Only
I like the KJV, don't get me wrong, but what translation should I use for German? For Japanese?
>>255203
>PC (False) Gospel of Christianity Lite
Liberal Christians could draw the same doctrinal conclusions from KJV, or even a raw Koine Manuscript, as the thing that allows them to evade the content of the bible isn't the actual text, but rather their hermeneutical methodology, which allows them to pretty much extract whatever eisegesis they would wish.
Liberal Christians use what's known as the historical-critical method, which means they look at the bible as being nothing more than historical writings, that although useful to some degree, must be taken as being historical pieces.
Id est, if a bible text says something a liberal modernist disagrees with in terms of morals or narrative (e.g. miracles and prophecy), he can simply say "well, it is simply a product of the times" or "well, in such-and-such genre in the first century, making up magical claims was common as a rhetorical device, so we can't say for sure that X actually happened".
Liberal theology doesn't need to mistranslate -- it can selectively ignore whatever text it disagrees with.
>Especially NIV
Pre-2011 NIV wasn't too bad for light reading, though I agree that it wouldn't be great for serious work.
If you want to see a truly vile translation, though, NRSV and it's predecessor, RSV are horrendous. They fail what I call the Isaiah 7:14 test, translating "almah" as "young woman" rather than "virgin" to the detriment of the prophecy of the virgin birth, and also referring to the spirit of God in genesis (over the face of the waters) as being a "wind from god". Both instances are technically correct alt-translations, but are doctrinally abhorrent.
My own preferences are KJV, NASB, and Luther Bibel if I need to get more about the sense of a sentence that seems ambiguous in the former two.
>>255073
holy fuck baha'i followers exist?
this is fucking news to me
I'm 'Irish' catholic, also known as a bad catholic
>53% Atheist/Agnostic
I'm honestly kind of surprised.
>>256401
I'm not. We all know that the religious on here are just a really loud minority and that, when the rubber hits the road, most people on here don't accept their intellectually bankrupt horseshit
>>256401
I am surprised its not 70%+, as would be the overall for the website.
>>255317
>wicca
>paganism
>the same
As a former germanic heathen, I'd be inclined to say that even if the politics, general theology, and open forms are different, yes, they are all about the same. Also, same goes for any modern gnostic who isn't some camel-jocky mandaean.
Reconstructionist religions all fail in that they simply can't wrap their heads around the concept of tradition, either in form or in theology.
The easiest way to let you chew on this is to let you play this little thought experiment out:
If I gave you Gospel of thomas, the first 75% of the didache, 3 randomly selected letters of paul, the book of proverbs, the gospel of mark, and all of the archaeological data from the catacombs of rome, would you with any intellectual honesty be able to say that you could reconstruct:
a) a christian theology that complies with the nicene creed at bare minimum.
b) any method for serving holy communion that actually understands the mystery of the eucharist as it is known to everyone who isn't a calvinist. (i.e., christ being present in the bread and wine, either via trans-substantiation, or by spiritual presence)
Although you may have historical documents that say this and that, reconstructionists cannot say with any intellectual honesty that they've not made up the vast majority of their exegeses of their texts out of the blue, and thus their theology and ritual forms are almost entirely innovation, even if it was scratched out of historical documents.
Tradition is important to religious practice, as it gives an interpretative context to initiates. Reconstructionism can never attain this.
>>256401
I expected it to be much more.
>>256425
thats some pretty good insight. I always thought that reconstructed religions delved deep into their cultural practices and how it coincided with old beliefs. I mean paganism and ethnic religions are basically the same concept. Have they tried to make it an ethnically bound thing and figure out which old cultural tradition really is part of an old religion? Or do most reconstructionists look at it purely from a theological level as in the teachings and ritual alone?
>>256401
You shouldn't. 4chan had similar polls in the past and atheists have always been dominant in terms of numbers.
>>255124
>Lucifer
Hilariously enough no being called "Lucifer" appears in the Scriptures and it's a head scratchingly obvious mistranslation of the lowercase lucifer (light bringer) from the Vulgate.
Also thanks to the outdated language, many of the verses appear downright idiotic to the modern reader:
>Blow up the trumpet
>And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day?
>My bowels were moved for him.
>The dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbade the madness of the prophet
>And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon
See more:
http://www.kjvonly.org/robert/joyner_obsolete_words_1.html
>>255073
I don't like the grouping of atheism and agnosticism together
I'm an agnostic, but that's because I see more value in cultivating a personal spirituality instead of organized, dogmatic religion
On top of that, I'm open to the idea of god(s) - I just don't think we're going to get definite answers to these grand questions about the existence of deities, the afterlife, the universe, souls, etc. while in the material world
>>255542
>hinduism not diluted and commercialised
It has been for the past 1000 years idiot
>>255684
>shinto
>sikhism
>remotely related to to europe at all
I assume this is bait
I caught it
>>256407
>the religious on here are just a really loud minority
this. funny that some of them think they own this place and it is the non believers that should "git out / leave / be banned". the delusion is rampant due to general threads that make them feel like they are the majority
>>256462
>>256425
As an Irish person with one or two people I know very heavily invested in this Celtic Neopaganism stuff I've never once beheld a Neopagan who had any interest in theology or tradition or anything religious at all beyond "magick" (always with a K, for some reason?) and getting drunk at Standing Stone sites and damaging them.
>>256509
well if getting drunk isnt part of tradition in ireland...
>no New Atheism
>>255124
>G*d
senpai if you take the lord's name in vain one more time i swear im going to smack you baka
>>256527
>>255124
Baal will rape you both.
>>256462
>I always thought that reconstructed religions delved deep into their cultural practices and how it coincided with old beliefs
they do delve into cultural practices...and archaeology...and literature. It really is fairly multifaceted.
However, alot of innovation and "gap filling" (i.e. making shit up when the historical/archaeological/anthropological record is silent) is very much present.
Exempli gratia: early asatru's so-called "hammer rite" (which is definitely an adoption from wicca, and thus has been discarded in modern times), and modern heathenry's mead-based blots that are performed without blood aspersion.
Or modern gnosticism's tendency to syncretize the beliefs of very distinct 2nd century heresies, and to ignore uncomfortable doctrines, like that of the threefold division of mankind.
The problem is that people are trying to form religious doctrine and praxis from second hand and distorted sources about generally pre-literate or secretive/persecuted peoples. There are gaps, they know it, and they fill them with un-historical practices.
>atheism
>religion
this meme will never end will it?
>>255344
>new age
paganism is new age as fuck with the "ooo were bringing back the ancient ways of our ancestors and rediscovering their secret spiritual energy"
>>256425
>Tradition is important to religious practice
ironic, this is the same accusation pagans gave to christians. They had no tradition only a mix of hebrew and hellenic practices mixed with the stuff they coem up with in 50-200'ish years.
>>256543
when I was a heathen still, I did believe in the gods, and the other heathens I know IRL literally do believe in the gods.
>Like a desire to be an outsider or something
for germanic heathens, it's not normally a desire to be an outsider at all, but moreso stems from a sense of desiring an identity in a world filled with anomie.
germanic paganism focuses on ancestor veneration, with the gods being both the admins of the universe, so to speak, and the ultimate ancestors of the human race. The whole idea is to tie yourself into your greater identity within your ancestors, family, your community, your race, etc. So, being an outsider is technically the opposite of the goal for the germanic heathen.
Moreso a sad attempt at pulling together an identity in a world where you're an irrelevant whitewashed pleb than it is an attempt at rebellion.
Now then, gaels, wiccans, etc etc...can't speak about them with any real accuracy beyond opinion.
I knew a satanist once, claimed it was self worship and doing whatever you felt at the time.
I called him a hedonist and gave him a picture of dionysus's face on hedonism bot
he was not happy but i giggled
>>256565
grand.
now it's the pagans who have nothing but dead priests, while the christians have 2000 years of tradition.
I'm not arguing with Hrothbardh in the year 600AD about abandoning his ancestral customs...I'm arguing with Chad in 2015 about how he has no idea about what Hrothbardh was actually doing in 600AD.
>>256567
>Now then, gaels
I met a Celtic Neopagan once
He claimed to be a Druid, Bard and other such things but he'd left school when he was 16, lived off of social benefits and spent all his free time reading fantasy novels. His druidic duties seemed to consist of putting a bedsheet over himself occasionally and putting out road cones to stop people from parking beside the church when going to Mass. He was from Dublin and had no Irish so he'd mess up every word he tried to pronounce. He eventually started trying to make his own language because, he held, the Irish language had been 'brought over with the Xtians [sic]'.
>European paganism
>most of the accounts we have come from medieval Christians who were biased to fuck
>almost every single "indigenous and traditional" European pagan religion is 100% reconstructed
>the Eddas were written in 13th century Iceland, 200 years after conversion
>we know jack shit about Slavic paganism other than names of some gods and sometimes even those are an invention of the researchers
>Roman and Greek paganism underwent centuries of intermingling with Egyptian and Zoroastrian bullshit thanks to trade routes in the antiquity
>MUH GENUINE ANCETRAL FAITH
You faggots might as well be worshipping Harry Potter lmao
>>256576
you are lucky to be born around 20-21st century I guess. Because If humanity survives by the 22nd-23th centuries you will have a pagan tradition whether you like it or not. Just like Pagan grudgingly admitted it in 4th century.
"bu.bu but that tradition doesn't go back to old paganism" also would the same accusation some pagans made by pointing out the christian tradition is made up and not directly linked to hebrew tradition as they claim it is, this argument was used by Julian in his famous work.
>>256598
>christfag talking relating pagans to harry potter
well you had christian accounts of Simon Magus flying in the air and how some christians counterspelled him.
its not pagans mind you, fucking christian writings talk about the magical power of simon
>>256609
the analogy is that it might as well be a made up mythos.
He could have easily said that you may well be practicing the rituals of the deformed negros who worshipped cthulu in the lovecraft mythos, and the analogy would have held.
>>256621
I suggest you take a deeper look in early christian writings. Heretics and Pagans practices magic throughout and their power was acknowledged by Christians. In the same way pagans acknowledge the magical power of Christians. Pagans not covnerting but using "christian spells" were common and so was vice versa.
You can discard them as analogies, forgeries (one definitely was I think the hagiography of the patron saint of necromancers forgot his name) etc. But for early Christians magic was real thing. Not just god's miracles mind you but also the wonderworkings of pagans and heretics which they complained and tried to counter rather than deny them as you are now.
would love to post soruces, shame that I have class in an hour. I just find it ironic that you mocked pagans for being "harry potterish" thats all. When you have Christians literally boasting how they counterspelled the heretic that was flying around rome
you might be very atheistic to magick, but early christians certainly were not.
>>256641
Medieval peasants were also stupid and superstitious to boot, when Black Death arrived many people were actually blaming witchcraft. Just because they believed it, it doesn't make it true.
Also
>LITERALLY using Christian opinions to validate paganism
Thanks I didn't need those sides anyway
>>255073
I was raised Catholic Christian, and now I don't know what I am. I just feel like I don't care anymore if God is there or not.
>>256641
>I suggest you take a deeper look in early christian writings. Heretics and Pagans practices magic throughout and their power was acknowledged by Christians.
No shit, I wasn't arguing against that.
I was arguing that you're a fucking blockhead who can't tell that >>256598 was simply saying that you might as well be following a made up tradition. Not as in "the magic is made up", but in the sense of "you faggots just sort of make up your rituals much like how J K Rowling made up the Harry Potter series".
Yes, of course the early christians encountered and documented magicians...really real magicians too. You think I don't believe in supernatural things? That's part and parcel for being a religious person, and as such I affirm that I do.
>>256609
Reconstructing paganism from the accounts of Christian monks is pretty much on par with reconstructing national socialism from National Inquirer articles about Hitler being a gay Jew from Mars.
>>256641
magick is not counter to atheism
You can cast spells without believing gods exist.
>>256697
This.
Atheism =/= rationalism and scientism
You can believe in magic, demons, ghosts and mermaids and still be perfectly atheist.
>>255124
>>>KJV-Only
Out of date misleading version based on inferior sources commissioned by a homosexual to make himself look good.
>>255266
I have met a single "pagan" I could respect. A Norse pantheon worshipper. Wiccans are literally retards
>>255292
Doesn't make you an edgelord.
>>255217
Imagine every religion has a little bit right with it and that its just god revealing his wisdom to humanity
>>255813
HERESY
>>256764
>out of date
God's word doesn't go out of date
>misleading
unlike the modern versions which take remove gender, and deny the deity of christ
>inferior sources
>a trash can in Egypt, with manuscripts buried for 1800 years is "superior"
people who think the KJV is outdated are the same people who support Oxford picking an emoji for their word of the year
>>256813
>God's word doesn't go out of date
God's word has to be updated every few centuries to keep up with the development of civilization and culture.
If you look at any religion in its purest form, from when it was created, they are all nonsensical savagery to the modern man.
>>255907
Idolatry. also the main reason why Muhammad don't want himself to be painted because it would lead people to venerate him as Saint thus forgetting the point Islam and Oneness of God
>>256103
It's a celebration of excess, not winter
>>255073
Christian, Anabaptist
>>256813
KJV is an inferior translation based on texts further from the point of origin.
There are verses that are in no way meant to exclude women that would seem to. Many language's words for a group of people basically are masculine in grammar.
The KJV in a insecure attempt to reinforce a piece of theology that is easily visible elsewhere in the Bible, inserted additional references to Christ's divinity where none existed.
To be attached to It when other, better translations exists borders on idolatry.
>>255073
>pick your own religion
>classifying by institution rather than by theological belief
broad strokes of retard in here
>>255073
>tfw looking for God outside of religion
>>255073
I'm a Taoist, family.
>>255073
>Since religion is relevant to this board
>>255073
>Atheist/Agnostic
Lots of hat tipping on this board desu senpai.
Roman Catholic here, GF is a Protestant. The amount of salt this creates is beyond hilarious.
![bb41d6_4967527[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zefJuSO.jpg "bb41d6_4967527[1].jpg")
>54% atheist/agnostic
Hindu here. Specifically Sri Vaishnava.
>>257040
>christkeks crawling out of the woods to shitpost with epic fedora maymays
I'm honestly surprised it took you this long.
>>257044
south indian?
>>255073
>1st place, Atheist/Agnostic
Not surprised. Feels kinda good actually.
>2nd place, Catholicism
>41
I'm guessing this is where all the crusader cheerleaders come from.
>Zorostrianism
>9
wut.
>Judaism
Hmm, I honestly thought there were more.
>>257008
Read the sticky
>>257017
>dating Protestants
Anon...
>>257107
Australian. kek i'm no indian.
>>255073
What would a hermeticist fall under?
>>255073
Born atheist/agnostic/non-religious here
>>257044
Shri Vaishnav Iyengar Brahmin here, Shrinivaso Vijyate.
>all dat christfag butthurt
fucking vocal minority.
>>255073
Sunni muslim
>>257318
Turkish, white, or subhuman?
>>255609
Roman Catholicism is state organized religion, designed to help an emperor rule over the people which is why the rewrote the bible to fit their needs.
Islam is the only pure faith of Abraham, the final piece of the puzzle god gave to us once he saw you Christians misused jesus' preaching for your own benefit.
>>255073
>what religion do you follow
>atheist/agnostic
>>255073
only 4 votes (1%) for Buddhism (Theravada)
no wonder this board is dreadful
>>257489
>muh speshul snowflake religion
>>255073
While I don't follow a practice, my belief follows closely with the Sikh religion. In that there isn't a creator, but that everything is connected through atoms.
The universe, you, the computer, and everything else you can think of is connected through atoms.
>>257489
Westerners don't really follow Theravada
>>256398
They're not exactly the type of people who would browse sites like 4chan
>>255124
When you read your book do you actually comprehend what you are reading, or is it just like vague song lyrics to teenagers, something malleable that means whatever feels good to you at the time?
>>255133
I'm a secular reform muslim.
>>255124
But you'll surely bend your knees to suck mah dick, bitch nigga.
>>256773
Well thank you, I was expecting atleast someone to get all mad about that
>>256234
Angels are alien elves?
