Japanese Empire was the best empire, 12/7 best day of my life
>inb4 weapon fag
>>414602
It was an interesting empire, to say the least, with a lot of contradictions. It flitted from Liberal Democracy to an Autocratic Stratocracy, an ally of democratic movements in China to its greatest enemy, its economy both capitalist and oligarchic. Few nations have changed in such a bipolar fashion within the span of less than a century as the Japanese Empire between 1868 and 1945, and it's really interesting in that respect.
>>414602
I feel bad that that hopeful outlook Rurouni Kenshin gives us about the Meiji era turned into shit
>>414602
>Trade with China via Korea
>Invade them three different times
>Develop based on Chinese culture
>fight four different wars with them and try to make them japanese
>Opened up by the US
>bomb pearl harbor
>Based their military on the Germans
>Attack them at Tsingtao while they were busy in Europe
>Bought their early navy from Britain
>Invade them while they're busy in Europe
Is there a nation as prone to betrayal as Japan?
>>414602
It was pretty short lived desu.
And the Japanese Emperor's literally the most powerless man to ever hold that appellation for most of history. Even during the Meiji Restoration.
Might as well go Voltaire on his ass and go
>Japanese
>Emperor.
>>414643
>USA threatens you with invasion if you wont open
>agree for forced trade
>revenge at PH
>amerifags still bitching about it
>korea and china invade you with mongols
>2 times
>defeat them
>revenge
>hurr aggressors durr
>germany arms your greatest rival
>attack them
>fucking japanese traitors
Not even once
>>414672
Indian Emperor was weaker
>>414683
>USA threatens you with invasion if you wont open
okay fair enough
>korea and china invade you with mongols
Given the alternative was the mongols burning down the rest of China and Korea, I don't think they really had a choice.
>germany arms your greatest rival
Who, a fragmented China or the United States? Germany was not arming any of Japan's greatest rivals in 1914 when the Japanese invaded Tsingtao.
>>414683
>korea and china invade you with mongols
>TOTALLY BY KOREA AND CHINA GUYS
Japanese logic. Mongols invade everyone that so much as says bad things to them. Its due to the nature of Steppe Nomad Politics in which the outward image of a Khan's power = vital to politics. Meanwhile Koreans and Chinese Dynasties pretty much left Japan alone given how useless any idea of expanding there to begin with. Its on the edge of the world, far from the main trade routes and what resources it had, the Chinese and Koreans had already and in abundance.
>Indian Emperor was weaker
What, the Mughals? Fuck no. During the decline sure, but the Mughs held actual power.
Meanwhile, past the 1000's AD, there was no rise, climax, and decline of the Japanese Emperor. He was just there in the background: fucking forgotten or only to be brought out as a figurehead/puppet for whatever military regime that won an internal struggle.
>>414687
Germany was arming China, whole Chinese artillery was produced by Krupp
Also Germany had several agreements with China, including the one about Qingdao
>>414692
Over half of Mongol forces were Chinese and Korean soldiers
And Japan needed some place for expansion, Korea was the best target
>What, the Mughals?
Nope
British king/queen was at the same time Indian emperor/empress and had no real power
>>414693
>Germany was arming China, whole Chinese artillery was produced by Krupp
Which part of China? The KMT republic in Guangzhou? The Fengtian clique that the Japanese were arming? The Xinjiang clique? "China" didn't exist back then, it was literally a bunch of warring states. Germany was not arming china anymore than Britain, Japan and France were arming their warlord allies.
>Also Germany had several agreements with China, including the one about Qingdao
Japan had several agreements with China too, which they obtained the same way as Germany, by sailing a military force in the general vicinity.
>>414703
Japan was trying to conquer Asia, not liberate it, and nobody here denies it
>>414643
>Perfidious Yamato
>>414705
>Over half of Mongol forces were Chinese and Korean soldiers
Numbers don't in any way imply voluntary participation.
>>414707
>Which part of China?
Firstly Qing dynasty, then KMT until 1937
>Japan had several agreements with China too
But Japan was not supporting them
>>414712
Inukai Tsuyoshi tried to stop the military government and was assassinated for it, he was a hero and not perfidious at all.
>>414715
>SS was not volutary either
>>414720
>Firstly Qing dynasty
The Qing dynasty didn't exist by 1914, you're still pulling dates out of your ass. German support of China at large didn't occur until after the Northern Expedition and well after 1914.
>But Japan was not supporting them
Actually Japan was, see >>414712. Japan protected Sun Yat-sen and the future KMT government leadership before the Wuhan revolution. They also supported Zhang Zuolin of the Fengtian Clique before blowing him up before he tried to leave Japanese influence (See previous post for Japanese betrayal tendencies).
>>414729
Much less than half of the SS was foreign. As said before, numbers don't in any way imply voluntary participation, or lack thereof. Saying that half the force was made of Koreans and Chinese doesn't prove or suggest anything.
>>414729
Nearly all of Rommel's Africa Korps was italian, they must all have supported Nazi Germany then.
>>414740
Germany sold them armament before 1912, for example Krupp cannons model 1875
Japan wanted to weaken China by supporting weaker factions. This has nothing to do with equiping Chinese army
>>414705
>Over half of Mongol forces were Chinese and Korean soldiers
And did the Chinese and the Koreans have the say on the matter? No. Who ordered the Invasion? Mongols. What was seeking to invade Japan? A Mongol Dynasty.
Furthermore just look at the two reasons why Mongols invaded Japan in the first place
>1) Kamakura Shogunate's seeming inability to halt pirate raids coming from Japan and raiding Korean and Chinese Coastlines
>2) The fact that Japan didn't enter into the traditional tributary relationship with the Mongol Emperor in China as they did not recognize the Mongol Emperor as a Chinese Emperor
And here you say its a Chinese invasion based on the mere presence of Chinese troops. Whoopdeedo. Might as well call the Japanese Empire a Korean Empire due to the presence of Korean soldiers in the Imperial Army by your logic.
>British king/queen was at the same time Indian emperor/empress and had no real power
When the British Raj was declared, it ended the Mughal Dynasty.
Furthermore, the Brits did not end the Mughal Empire's dominance: the Marathas did, led by the Chhatrapati- yet another Indian Emperor.
Still, it matters not that the Mughals ended. The Japanese Emperor still remained powerless for most of history compared to any other Imperial Entity. The most powerless emperor there ever was.
>>414749
>Afrika Korps
>Italian
Afrika Korps was only small part of forces fighting in Africa, Italian army was independent from them
>>414751
>The Germans sold a Chinese faction weapons, they must have wanted them to win
>The Japanese sold a Chinese faction weapons, they wanted to weaken China. Nothing to do with equipping the Chinese army
double standards there. That must be why the Fengtian clique had an airforce and tanks when Chiang's Northern Expedition had neither, right?
Also, Germany sold Japan armaments too, such as the 120mm Krupp M1905, so them selling anybody weapons isn't proof of anything.
>>414758
Point stands, the Italians were commanded Rommel, so by your logic they were all nazi german supporters if all the Chinese and Koreans were fervent Mongol supporters.
>>414683
>>korea and china invade you with mongols
Are you really retarded?
>>414705
>British king/queen was at the same time Indian emperor/empress and had no real power
And the Japanese Imperial Title survived on the sufferance of Americans.
So not only did the Japanese Emperor hold no power for most of history, but was also keked by foreign powers too.
An even worse experience than the Mughals. At least Mughals experienced power, and their name is a byword for wealth and dominance in the English language.
>>414602
>12/7 best day of my life
It was the death knell for Japan, why would even the most dedicated weeaboo celebrate an event that consigned Japan to one the most thorough defeats in human history?
>>414683
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Start shit, get hit.
>>414637
I like to think that Kenshin dies after Japan loses WWII and is recipient of the largess of the US.
>>414789
I wouldn't say it was a defeat, but it was surely the first step towards the defeat
>>414765
Compare Japanese goals and German goals
Germany wanted China to be stable and unified, seeking an ally in Asia (who later betrayed them)
Japan wanted to take ovr China, either directly or by puppet states armed with Japanese weapons
>>414602
t. Atsuko Barbosa
Wow
>>414637
SHISHIO DID NOTHING WRONG
>>414643
The idea that Japan was in some sort of loyal arrangement with Germany. Basing your military on another nations doesn't imply any loyalty or carry any duty to that nations with it: competing nations copy aspects of each others militaries constantly. When Russia immitated the American atom bomb, there was nothing to suggest that Russia intended to be loyal to America. Japans actions at Tsingtao could hardly be called betrayal. Opportunistic, but not betrayal.
>>414847
>Germany wanted China to be stable and unified, seeking an ally in Asia (who later betrayed them)
For the last fucking time, this didn't happen until 1930. Germany was not supporting anyone in particular before China was unified, it sold weapons to everyone.
>seeking an ally in Asia (who later betrayed them)
They weren't doing this in 1914. And ultimately the ally in Asia who betrayed them was Japan. The Tripartite pact's goal was to resist communism, something Japan did painfully little to do once the war actually started, given they and the Soviet Union promptly signed a nonaggression pact that the Soviets ultimately repudiated. Japan ultimately dragged Germany into a war against the United States without providing any real support or being able to stop the American industrial machine from rolling over the Germans in Europe.
If you mean China betraying germany in 1940, the opposite occurred. Germany and China maintained some ties well after the war started, and Germany ultimately was the one that "betrayed" China, choosing to side with Japan (which had the willingness and capacity to fight the allies at the present time)
>>414993
Sure, but the Japanese weren't exactly the best of axis allies either.
>>414637
Shishio had the last laugh. Japan went apeshit across Asia and the Pacific after Kemshin died. Man that must suck. And
why does Japan call itself an empire? They're a kingdom at best.
>>416281
>And why does Japan call itself an empire? They're a kingdom at best.
1) Eurobenises called them an Empire. It just called itself Japan. The Empire of Japan in Nipspeak translates to "Great State of Japan,"
2) Because technically Japan was founded by an alliance of Tribal chiefs.
But other Asians did call them a Kingdom up until the 1900's.
>>414752
>be heavy cavalryman
>get cucked so hard by the marathas and their ponies that you disappear completely
I like Russo-Japanese war-era Japan, shit must've been so comfy to live in. The only problem is that any son you raised in that time would probably die in WWII.
>>416374
>I like Russo-Japanese war-era Japan, shit must've been so comfy to live in.
Japan had Modern China tier industrial labor going on. And almost any social reform was shot down because they were deathly afraid of Gommienism.
>>416374
Japan should've grown a pair and overthrew the miltarists. But they didn't and allowed themselves to get wrecked in WW2.
>>414683
Are weeaboos worse than RIDF? Gas yourself please.
>>416392
They did, actually, however briefly, from the end of World War I to the end of the 20s.
>>414833
Kenshin died after Japan took Korea. There's a movie on it.
>>414643
Yes, its called UK.
>>414602
ONE
MIRRION
TIMES
What's with this hostility towards Imperial Japan? Barring the shitshow that was the 30's and 40's, it was a pretty interesting time. I'm Chinese and I can at least appreciate the rapidity and efficiency of Japanese Westernization.
>you will never suicidally charge Russian MG nests with your Jap peasant bros
jdimsa 2bh pham
>>418343
Japs were way more fucked up then than they are now
>>414602
Nah the Reich was desu. Of only Wilhelm II wasn't an anglocuck
>>418465
*kek
>>418343
Oh, the 1870's and the 1880's was magical. Their imperialism in the 1890's was even tolerable.
But really, the 30's and 40's was just absolute shit and did everything to ruin that Empire's image.
Also I don't think people here hate Japan when they say "the Japanese Emperor is powerless." He really was,
>>419805
>But really, the 30's and 40's was just absolute shit and did everything to ruin that Empire's image.
The unfortunate truth.
The irony is that modern history idealizes Japan up until this point anyway, because in trying to escape European exceptionalism, the alternative ideal of Asia is provided, and Japan is provided as an excellent example.
Then you hit Sino-Japanese War/ World War II territory, and the Japanese are lumped in with the rest of Europe as evil imperialists. Rightfully so, if they're going to be judging them in such a way, but it's all just a shame.
