Why do /pol/, stormfront, autistic teenagers, etc fetishize the crusades if they were largely an abject failure?
Because muh deus vult
Ask /pol/
>>1402613
It's my understanding everybody generally had a good time at the crusades
Doesn't sound like a failure to me
>>1402620
they'll just call him a cuck faggot
They don't know they were abject failure. It's the same reasoning behind why certain lefties didn't think Cambodia was all that bad.
>>1402628
so you're saying that no one in /pol/ supports the crusades?
>>1402623
You have the logic of a fratboy
/pol/ is a whole bunch of morons.
Most of them don't read up enough to know that it was a failure. They just fap to depictions of the armor and the idea of killing mudslimes, even though the islamic world was a lot less backwards than europe in this time period.
I guess the broader explanation is that stormfag types don't appreciate that europeans haven't always been on top since forever and tend to tune out explanations of this.
Tldr they literally dont know and will ignore it if you tell them
>>1402623
Not the Byzantines
nor the Muslim but most of the reason wasn't because of the crusades (mostly it was due to in-fighting, sectarian warfare, Turkish conquest, and Mongols).
Pretty sure the crusaders didn't like the Second Crusade all that much, or the People's crusade, or the Children's crusade
>>1402643
>Not the Byzantines
b-b-but restore byzantium! deus vult! greeks were white (just not today)!
>>1402613
Because the crusades are glorified as a war with meaning, plus race is involved. For some people who lack something within themselves they find attachments to these kinds of concepts. Race, War, Race wars, etc etc. Makes them feel like they're apart of something or could be apart of something because again, they feel like they're lacking something.
It's a niche, for attachment.
![litany35[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XUU3qdP.jpg "litany35[1].jpg")
>>1402613
I don't know why do Catholics fetishize St. Louis if he failed in both of his attempted Crusades?
It is not about the outcome, it is about the fact that the Christian world fought to secure the right of passage for pilgrims and alleviate the suffering of their brethren in the Orient, something that could never happen today. Nowadays defending yourself is an act of racism.
And in the case of the most celebrated figures like St. Louis, Richard Coeur-de-Lion and Guy de Lusignan, it is often about their personal character as well. Their heroism, defiance, piety and kindness (especially in the case of St. Louis) are emphasized.
You admire them in the same way you admire the protagonist of a tragedy: their failure and misfortune does not undermine their character.
That, and /pol/ is probably nostalgic for a time where bravery and heroism were praised rather than demonized. Medieval man saw piety and virtue as the highest values. Modern man? Relativism and tolerance. A society that considers tolerance its core value is one literally unable to defend itself.
Because they're a bunch of 15 year olds obsessed with the idea of a race war to validate themselves, and now they're slowly finding out that the crusades happened and were almost kind of a race war if you wanna see them that way
>>1402646
First Crusade got them the time to rebuild, but the fourth raped them and left them (more) vulnerable to the Ottomans
Where was your crusades then Europe? Where was your Deus Vult when Turks entered Europe? crusades were worthless (though they did end Europe's isolationism which lead to the Renaissance).
>>1402628
They weren't a failure though. Only the first one really mattered, and it succeeded, the rest were purely political.
>>1402623
>be a French farmer or something
>married to a shrew of a wife and have six awful children
>fantasize about setting fire to your house and then slashing your own throat
>the Pope says something about how Christendom needs to go fight the enemies of Christ or something
>you don't even know what a Muslim is, but whatever, anything's better than this monotonous nightmare
>grab a scythe and some shitty boots
>set off on a long journey across an entire continent
>half of you die of some awful plague in northern italy
>your friend gets eaten by wolves in the Balkans
>get some disease from a Greek whore
>don't understand any languages
>can't even understand half of the other French subjects crusading with you
>have to eat weird food
>finally get to the Levant
>fight Saracens
>get stabbed
>get wound full of sand
>suffer agonizing and horrible declining health while a priest prays over you and waves icons in your face
>die
>get buried in a shallow grave in the middle of a desert
>a jackal digs you up and eats your face
Sounds like a blast.
>>1402657
>First Crusade
>not political
>And thus the mighty crusaders shouted Deus Vult and banished the vile Muslims from Jerusalem ensuring the purity of Christian Europe for all time!
>>1402657
>first crusade
>success
>>1402672
It was almost purely a religiously motivated war
>>1402623
>What is the Rhineland massacre?
>>1402674
Where are they now?
![agence-rol-m-clemenceau-arrive-au-palais-bourbon-1910[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EN6XCrZ.jpg "agence-rol-m-clemenceau-arrive-au-palais-bourbon-1910[1].jpg")
>>1402674
Yes Turkey, well done...
HOWEVER
>>1402659
this literally never happened. nice made-up fantasy
>>1402659
>married to a shrew of a wife and have six awful children
That's bad
>set off on a long journey across an entire continent
At least you get to see something of the world
>half of you die of some awful plague in northern italy
You didn't, count your lucky stars
>your friend gets eaten by wolves in the Balkans
Yeah, but did you see that guy from Toulouse fucking PILEDRIVE that wolf until his neck broke? Shit was awesome!
>get some disease from a Greek whore
Should've brought your sheep's stomach
>can't even understand half of the other French subjects crusading with you
Now you have a reason to act smug and snooty
>have to eat weird food
You get to experience new, exotic flavors
>fight Saracens
FUCK YEAH
>get stabbed
Sucks
>die
At least you died a hero, instead of dying of the plague while your shrew of a wife whines that you need to get back to the farm to feed her ungrateful as.
>a jackal digs you up and eats your face
Who cares? You're dead.
10/10, would go crusading with.
>>1402613
>abject failure
Where do people get this shit? How many butthurt muslims are on this board? They were incredible endeavours that ought to be marveled at the extent at which they did exceed. Turks and muslims had home advantage and still lost in the first. The second crusade is the only one anyone can legitimately call a failure. The third is hilarious because despite all the cock sucking Saladin got, he was beat back and forth by Richard I, and that was after Fredrick had drowned and the French left.
>inb4 le jerusalem
Fuck off and read the actual speech from the Council of Clermont, nothing about Jerusalem, just aid to fellow Christians.
>just ignore the northern crusade and the reconquista
>and the fact that it's a logistic nightmare
>and the fact that christians were outnumbered in nearly every battle and after the first crusade, most kings and people returned to their homes because no one wants to be in the middle east
>>1402623
yeah getting btfo 9 times in a row by mudslimes when your greatest victory is setting up the defeat of the roman empire, they are a total failure
>>1402646
open a book nigger
>>1402938
>he was beat back and forth by Richard I
Lel
>Goal of the third crusade: Reconquer Jerusalem
>Outcome of the third crusade: Jerusalem lost
>>1402613
Because there are mostly christians here anon of course christians will romanticize their conquest.
>>1402623
>except the Muslims, the Latins, the Byzantines, the German Jews and the entire populations of the cities of Jerusalem, Antioch, Constantinople and Zadar
>>1402613
The more interesting question would be, why do muslims get so buttblasted about them when they didn't prevent them doing fuckever they wanted in the middle east?
>>1403012
>changing the point
Still butthurt about Arsuf? Jaffa?
More like:
>Outcome of the third crusade: Mutually beneficial treaty and apt solution to a continuing issue
The sentiment to hold the land was lost, issues at home matter more. But deny that and claim "victory" if you want
Because they hate Islam and think Christianity is all about killing Muslims. Summed up it's due to historical and religious ignorance.
>>1403032
Actually The Crusades only became an Important subject among them because of 19th Century Western Historians telling them it was important
No really look it up
>>1403032
Muslims don't give a fuck about the Crusades, it's only Western leftards and fedoras that whine about them.
>>1402655
Thank protestants shattering Christendom and making Christians care more about killing each other over heathens.
>>1402692
Yeah I'm sure that's why the leaders took detours to carve out their own personal kingdoms rather than bee line to Jerusalem.
>>1403032
Muslims didn't care about the Crusades up until the rise of Arab nationalism
>>1402613
Because historical events and movements are complicated, both in causes and legacy, and people with political axes to grind will turn any event one way or another.
>>1402900
People's Crusades were a thing
They retreat into fantasy because society doesn't offer them anything.
In the past tight knit communities were stuck with each other and had to learn to get along, but in the modern world people frequently interact with complete strangers on a daily basis. The mass media and increasingly the internet have created a set of "identities" that everyone is familiar with and you need to adopt if you don't want social acceptance to become a struggle, some people can't or didn't do this (it can take years to cultivate an entirely new personality) for various reasons and not necessarily due to some moral fault.
You see it on /pol/ when they complain about "cucked numales" etcetera, they didn't need to become racist in response to their social alienation and that is their moral fault, however it wasn't a crime for them to reject liberalism.
>imposing modern morality on history
There were good eggs and bad eggs in every large group, including "bad guys" like nazis, confederates, conquistadores and "good guys" like soviets, native americans. The average illiterate peasant who lacked the knowledge about the world and what is really right and wrong probably wasn't a bad guy and the fact he was willing to risk his life is to his merit.
>>1402852
The thing is, they could have not been
>>1403038
>even though they failed to accomplish their main goal, they still won!
This is like when people say that the US won the Vietnam War because we negotiated a 'peace' then took our ball and went home before the south actually fell.
>>1402692
Religion is almost if not always politics though.
>>1402624
If he words it in a way that isn't obviously bait they may not.
>>1402655
There were several attempts to fight off the turks, and projects that were never started due to infighting in western Europe (fucking thanks Luther).
>>1403105
Band of Brothers united by religion fighting for their own survival
Or a weeaboo NEET basement-dweller working (maybe) to make pennies
WELL SHIT SHERLOCK THAT'S AN EASY FUCKING CHOICE
>>1403038
>Be Richard I
>Get Angevin Empire by bullying your good guy dad
>immediately go to crusade when King
>fail
>on way home get captured by Germans and held for Ransom
>Each Englishman has to pay 1/4 of his yearly earnings to free you
>Get to France
>Get killed by a French peasant child
>Empire goes to John
>Collapses
Yeah good fucking job Dickhard
Because they want to cannibalise Muslims like some of the crusaders did.
>>1403246
They would have been before if it wasn't for the Crusades. The only reason the Crusades even started is because greeks were completely unable to defend themselves against the turk.
>>1402876
>not Russia
I can't help but feel the world would be so much better without the crusades.
Less Christian-Muslim tension would have been better for all.
>>1403105
>conquistadores
>>"Bad Guys"
Fuck the Black Legend
>>1403407
I don't think it would have made a huge difference for modern relations. Muslims don't go around blowing up Mongolians over a 13th century grudge.
>>1403386
Why did the germans capture him?
>>1403418
I do.
>>1402613
because the crusaders killed muslims (sometimes...actuallly they killed everyone...)
>>1403386
Okay, to be fair to Richard, he did set up a council that was made up of his dad's advisors. He was bad at being a king, yeah, and he knew it.
Also no mention where he gets absolutely schooled by his dad's superloyal retainer. He could have killed him and had the right to, seeing as how he rebelled against his dad and all, but instead, Richard got dehorsed and humiliated and he was apparently cool with that.
Because they love to ERP. All of /pol/'s Christian circlejerking is play pretend for adults.
>>1403407
Eh, modern colonialism is more of the problem
The autism going on in the Middle East known as Salafism originated far later than the Crusades.
>>1403485
>Eh, modern colonialism is more of the problem
*Bear in mind I said "more of the problem" compared to the Crusades, I'm not saying modern colonialism is the root cause of all problems in the ME
>>1402613
>An abejct failure
>The islamic civilization was destroyed
The caliphate was destroyed and the muslim world is now irrelevant, this is a victory.
>>1403531
Non sequitur
>>1403531
>Before crusades: Turks in Anatolia and holy land
>After crusades: Various brands of mongol invasions, Ottoman Empire rises in the vacuum
Now, I'll agree that the Ottoman Empire wasn't really your typical arabic caliphate, but wasn't the whole point about it to stop the turks from encroaching Anatolia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjUFBYEzqQ
>>1403571
watch this, OP
>>1403374
They could join the anti-ISIS foreign legion which would give them the challenge they supposedly want, but the reality is less appealing than the fantasy.
>>1403408
Imagine an illiterate soldier under Cortez who has always lived in poverty and was raised from infancy into the christian faith, who watches him gain an alliance with the Tlaxcalans and marches with them to Tenochtitlan, hearing about the human sacrifices etcetera... You could impose modern morality on him and scold him for being part of a brutal conquest, but he never knew any better.
>>1403418
No but that event led to the decline and later exploitation and improper partition and meddling of the ME which led to ISIS
>>1403432
For fun basically, so they could ransom him but a shit load of cash. They weren't even at war or anything.
>>1403481
He basically just adopted his dads council, the fact that the Angevin empire held together while he was away crusading is a testament to the administration his dad had set up.
John I > Richard I
Although
Henry II > All
Literally best king of England
>>1403531
yeah but not because of the crusaders
>want Christian vs Muslim powerfantasy
>choose the one where the Christians mostly got their asses kicked
>Not the song of Roland
>Not the Reconquista
>Not the Battle of Vienna
>Not the British colonial expansion in WWI
How were the crusades a failure? Crusader states managed to stay afloat for hundreds of years.
>>1403687
>didnt own Jerusalem for most of the time
>and then failed
>after becoming totally arabised
>>1403690
Was Roman empire also a failure because it doesn't exist anymore? Was WW2 a failure for the Russians because the USSR collapsed a few decades later? Think before you post.
>>1403690
Children aren't allowed on 4chan
>>1403694
Don't be stupid. The crusades had specific goals which they failed in doing.
and yes the USSR was a failure
>>1403694
If you had to choose between the Crusader States and The Andalus who was more succesful?
>>1402623
>It's my understanding everybody generally had a good time at the crusades
Open a book timmy
Really I don't know why you guys find the crusades to glorious
They wanted Jerusalem, they didn't get Jerusalem
Muslims defeated them in more battles than were defeated
Most of the casualties were fellow Christians
All the profit the Byzantines got from the first crusade got reversed by the fouth
Muslims mostly treated it as a minor annoyance compared to most of the shit that was happening at the time; Europe treated it like a field trip after awhile
In the end Turks still controlled Jerusalem, destroyed Byzantium, and raped Europe.
Knights Hospitallers were pretty based though
>>1403727
>They wanted Jerusalem, they didn't get Jerusalem
Huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)
>>1403739
After the whole crusade fad was over, Jerusalem was definitely not in christian hands
>>1403741
But the Crusaders did capture Jerusalem, stop backpedaling.
>BUT THEY ONLY HELD IT FOR A HUNDRED YEARS !!!
Doesn't matter, they still managed to capture it. And hundred years is a long ass time.
I think people fundamentally misunderstand what the crusades even were.
In that they might think it was some drive the infidel away, and convert the rest, only Christians here now' kind of thing, rather than some Christian warlords replacing some Muslim warlords and collecting taxes from the still Muslim peasantry and townsfolk. Hell, after some time, the crusader states became rather accommodating and comfortable with Muslims.
Oh, and making sure christian tourists have safe passage and won't get molested on the way. Which is what the Muslims were doing anyways, just that the Turks were dumb shits who didn't know that attacking tourists drives away money.
Oh, and the Crusaders built a hospital.
That's about it.
>>1403812
>BUT MUH ISIS
>>1403812
>Christian warlords replacing some Muslim warlords
this pretty much
Americans are obsessed with race and imagine the crusaders as KKK or the muslims as ISIS when in reality they were both more akin to the mafia in their motives and behavior.
>>1403835
>Americans
Stop this.
>>1402639
>Islamic world was more advanced.
Scientifically? Yes because they inherited and did well with a bunch of stuff, which was great.
Culturally? They were set up for decay, external factors only helped to speed it up.
>>1403871
They didn't what?
>>1403746
The objective was to hold it not capture it and lose it again. Your pathetic grasping at straws isn't working.
I bet you think Hitler was a success because at one point he controlled most of europe. Forget that he lost it ,that's just backpeddling amirite?
>>1403875
Keep Jerusalem, keep it safe for pilgrims
>>1403877
They managed to do it for 100 years.
>>1403836
I will when I stop seeing the bulk of race related shenanigans coming from the US.
>>1403931
You only need to go to /int/ or /pol/ to see the majority of people deus vulting and masturbating to crusades are Europeans. Even Breivik was from Norway.
>>1403882
And then they failed
>>1403961
That doesn't change the fact they TOOK JERUSALEM.
>>1402613
because they're stupid?
The people who worship the crusades also tend to worship Hitler. They have a failure fetish
>>1402643
>Not the Byzantines
they deserved everything they got
>>1402613
Aesthetics hidden within ideology and pseudo morality.
>>1402623
>you get to travel, see the world, exotic places and women
>you get to kill infidels
>you get to serve your God
And if you die in His service I'd imagine that's an express ticket to the vip section of the kingdom of heaven
Sounds like a pretty good deal for an idle young man to me
>>1403937
Best post in this thread
>failure
>>1404152
And when they all fell just a few decades later the Muslims had so many slave girls that the price of blonde haired women dropped dramatically at the slave markets.
Talk about cucked.
>>1402623
>>1404164
I don't see how there would be many blonde haired women in the Holy lands, few women settled there and very few of them were northern europeans.
If anyone was cucked it would be the inhabitants of the cities the crusaders took.
>>1403812
>Oh, and making sure christian tourists have safe passage and won't get molested on the way.
That wasn't even the original goal in the first place, just something that people clamored for later. It's why the Templar order only arises years after the First Crusade.
>>1402900
The People's Crusade was literally just a bunch of dumb peasants wandering around, looting shit, killing random Jews, and dying from starvation.
>>1404217
Sounds like fun.
>>1403105
>soviets
>good guys
LOL
>>1403105
>good guys
>soviets
>native americans
>>1402613
>I,my father, my fathers father, my fathers fathers father, and my fathers fathers fathers father fought those bloody frogs, but now they are the supporting Calvarly of my force
It's really about unification of most of the white race to fight the outsider
>>1404217
And then getting massacred to the last man at Civetot.
>Kill Jews by the thousands
>Get massacred by the thousands in turn
Holy shit, the Jewish god might actually be real guys.
>>1403392
This
>>1403105
>Confederates
>Bad Guys
Opinion Discarded
>>1404356
>mfw SJWs deface the monuments to your dead
>not only glorifying a war that the "good guys" lost, but glorifying a particularly sucky war
/pol/ (or whoever does this shit) doesn't really know the truth about war, do they? You'd have to march & ride thousands of miles in the heat, meet the enemy on the field of battle and then die from an arrow in the head if you're lucky. If you're unlucky you'll be stabbed and then die from infection in the 100+ degree heat.
All of which will mean nothing in the end when Acre falls and Jerusalem is in Muslim hands. .
>>1404356
Glorious pic.
>the Jews got two peoples with absolutely no connection to the 'holy land' to fight over it in a series of bloody wars that lasted hundreds of years in the name of a Jewish god
>>1404125
Dandolo please go.
>>1404445
Which is why the jews themselves were massacred before the crusaders even left europe
It was good times for the Saracens as well. They got their chance at massacring christians as well and it helped powerful Turkic warlords and Mamluks consolidate their power and unite Islamic lands in Egypt and the levant
>>1404461
They got the last laugh when some dumbshit European and his equally clueless Saracen counterpart charged into battle shouting the name of the Hebrew god.
Gentiles BTFO. Again.
>be poor baron living in southern france
>tax the shit out of the peasants because you can barely pay for your horse
>the duke decides to go crusading so you join him since it is your feudal obligation
>mostly because you want to get out of your shit smelling fief though
>while journeying eastwards across central europe you hear that the jews in the rhineland are being masscred
>a jewish woman from Mainz killed her own children so that they wouldnt have to be gutted by the buttblasted peasants
>ew
>eventually reach Constantinople
>Emperor Alexios is understandably antipathic after the people's crusade
>still he wants to get you and your fellow soldiers of christ across to anatolia as quickly as possible to avoid conflict
>He advises you how to best deal with the Seljuq armies you will soon encounter and sends you on your way
>Besiege the capital of the Sultanate of Rûm, Nicaea
>Sultan Kilij Arslan hurries back and attacks your brothers in arms, but is driven back
>Nicaea capitulates eventually
>Alexios quickly claims Nicaea for the Empire and forbids your comrades from looting or even entering the city
>Whatever, it was part of the deal he gave after you crossed the Bosporus
>Continue to Dorylaeum
>Word reaches you that the Norman army was surrounded by Kilij Arslan's new, much larger army of horse archers
>hurry forward to aid the Normans
>The Turkish lines are broken and the Sultan flees with his army to avoid further casualties
>Feel great because this is the first real battle you participated in
>The rest of the march through Anatolia sucks ass, however, because Kilij Arslan burned everything along the way so the soldiers of christ have nothing to eat
>many of your comrades die, and the nobility bickers over leadership
>some goodhearted local Christians give you food, but usually you pillage whenever the opportunity presents itself
>After reaching Cilicia Baldwin of Bolougne separates from the army to carve his own fiefdom in the Armenian lands
(Cont)
>>1402613
Okay here's the real reason why crusade shit is suddenly catching on with the alt-right youth.
Y'know how /pol/ fucking hates to read but will listen to literally hours upon hours of poorly-researched youtube shit as long as it confirms what they've already assumed (i.e. thunderf00t, sargon of akkad)?
www.youtube.com/user/RealCrusadeHistory
Meet the latest of their favorites. Guy's stuff is practically fanfic-tier and his cringey fetishism is palpable.
>>1403835
I actually think the American thing is a real problem. Here in Canada we're constantly having bullshit in our media about "the blacks and the whites", "race tensions", etc. When almost all such racial issues are in the United States. Hell, in Canada most people identify by national heritage rather than *colour*-Canadian. It's really annoying when people start projecting American racial problems on the rest of the planet.
>>1404611
>/pol/
>alt-right
There is world outside of the internet you know.
>>1404611
>this smug tone
>sneering
>they don't read unlike me heh heh
Just stop. Turn off the computer and go read if you really are so literate.
>>1404359
>mfw we nuke the SJWs and their cesspit cities in the next war.
>>1403937
Chomsky pls.
>>1404662
Hoax. Chomsky was to babby tier to be a Salothist.
Why couldn't those fucking greeks just protect the smile of Asia minor?
Is there a worse disgrace than letting those horse fucking cockroaches reduce the entire peninsula from a paradise on earth to a wasteland good for nothing but grazing sheep
>>1404671
Short answer is civil war, long answer would require telling you why there were so many civil wars, which would make my fingers hurt because it would take a long time.
>>1402613
>create 200 years lasting states
>failure
>>1404725
Muslims are too retarded to understand this. In comparison, the USSR existed for only about 70 years.
>Besiege Antioch
>Forced to defeat two large Saracen relief armies
>Antioch is so big that there arent enough crusaders to fully surround it
>The Saxon Crusade arrives by sea with supplies and German crusaders
>Eventually bribe an Armenian guard to surrender his tower
>Enter the city and massacre almost everyone there, including thousands of christians not to mention muslims
>An army of Saracens from Mosul besiege us inside Antioch
>defeat them outside the city walls
>Crusade is stopped for a year because the fucking nobles cant stop arguing
>A plague breaks out among the army and the local muslims refuse to give you food
>THEY WILL PAY
>you besiege the Saracen city of Ma'arra
>the townspeople taunt you and hold off the siege for about 2 weeks
>Scale the walls
>the garrison retreats into the city
>you along with other poor penniless crusaders plunder the city
>promise safe conduct for the city if the garrison surrenders
>they surrender
>like the greedy heartless bastards you and your fellow soldiers of christ immediately start pillaging and massacring the city
>Pillaging the city doesnt provide enough food
>you have had enough of this bullshit
>along with other starving crusaders you start cutting the asses off dead muslims and eat them, sometimes without even cooking them
>cut up the muslim adults and boil them
>enjoy sandnigger broth
>impale children and infants on wooden spits and cook them over a fire
>enjoy kebab
>torture muslims to reveal where they keep their food and money then do to them what is described above
>even eat dogs whenever you find them
>continue onwards to jerusalem like nothing happened
(Cont)
>>1404725
The plan was to reclaim the holy land forever
>reach Jerusalem and assault the walls
>the defenders abandon the walls
>begin the renowned massacre of Jerusalem
>indiscriminately kill every muslim you find
>offer protection to muslims hiding in a mosque if they become your prisoners
>your fellow crusaders slaughter them anyways
>find jews hiding in a synagogue
>simply set fire to it and let them burn alive
>Establish the Kingdom of Jerusalem
>abandon your shitty fief in France and take control of some random castle near Jerusalem for your own
>Get jihaded by Turks years later
>Beheaded
FIN
>>1402624
that would be a decent chunk of responses, but the other responses would be quite serious. If you can't handle a little namecallin then you are a lil baby.
Probably because pol likes Christianity and dislikes Islam. Plus knights are just cool. Pretty obvious
>>1403463
probably not
>>1403607
that is a lot of logical leaps
>>1403836
yeah it is very annoying how people use Americans as a cop out.
>>1404671
A big reason is because they were busy trying to protect Greece from Normans, Slavs, and Bulgarian and Pecheneg hordes at the same time. The Turks didn't turn Asia Minor into a wasteland when they arrived - it remained the richest part of the Empire well after that. The wasteland steppe only began to appear from the next century onwards as the Turks and Byzantines began to purposefully depopulate their borders.
>>1404611
I guarantee RCH knows far, far more about the crusades than you. But keep that /pol/ autism going, it's pretty hilarious how fanatical you guys get over them. You started a whole thread devoted to your butthurt about them. You're no better than them and their vehement dislike for SJWs
Autism. Or just a muslim.
>>1403254
>he doesn't understand how treaties work
Yeah, he didn't accomplish his main goal, but he solved the issue. In case you didn't realize, Fredrick Barbarossa was dead, Philip went home, his army was tiny by that point. So securing a treaty that appeases everyone may not be a victory, but it isn't a failure. Certainly not "abject"
>>1403386
yeah, he's a shit king, but pretty good at crusading
>>1403349
Anything that doesn't regurgitate /pol/ talking points is considered bait on /pol/
They're surprisingly indoctrinated.
They see it as avoiding indoctrination, but you can also sense the lack of freedom to think differently or oppose their peers in any sense.
>>1404725
>>1404740
The Proper kingdom which contianed Jerusalem barely lasted 100 years. the rest of their existence was a pathetic series of coastal holdings and Islands off the Syrian coast which survived mainly through treaties
>>1404017
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*
>>1402623
The Franks were generally starving for the first 3/4ths of the First Crusade, it was a shit time for everybody except for the Turks who would take potshots then run back into the Anatolian interior.
>>1403432
He pissed off the Duke of Austria by throwing his standard off the walls of Acre, basically denying him battle honors, also the Duke claimed he was conspiring to assassinate one of his counts or something.
>>1404790
You forgot the part where the Fatamids had just retaken Jerusalem from the Turks under the mistaken assumption that you were mercenaries of the Romans and that since Egypt and Constantinople were friends they would also be your allies, only to have one of your best commanders in the Caliphate get trapped in the city with an undersized garrison, though luckily for him h manged to be one of the few that actually had his surrender terms honored and got to leave the city while listening to his coreligionists being slaughtered in the distance.
>>1402613
>Why do /pol/, stormfront, autistic teenagers, etc fetishize the crusades if they were largely an abject failure?
Well, the holy land isn't muslim anymore :^)
>>1404671
>Why couldn't those fucking greeks just protect the smile of Asia minor?
Ask the Frankish mercenaries who abandoned them at Manzikert.
>>1402613
>Why Nazi fetishize failure.
>>1403976
The goal was to hold it though
>>1406746
Not in the first.
>>1406749
So every other crusade is a failure to you?
>>1406756
2nd yes. 3rd kinda. 4th is irrelevant.
>>1404133
Cringe-worthiest post on /his/
>>1402613
do you not understand what romanticism is or something?
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>>1403714
>Jerusalem and the Christian pilgrim cities. They accomplished that.
Mecca was always in control of muslimes, Jerusalem was only in control of christians for a few years, therefore crusades failed.
Look today, there are 1.5 billion muslimes today vs how many christcucks kissing muslim feet? You see the effects of the failure even today.
The most powerful european medieval country namely France is an islamic black country now - that should tell you something.
>>1406830
You're so simple. So if the Pope goes and get's a hotdog with roasted onion on it we all do? I have never and will never kiss any nigger or paki feet. Fucking check yourself you spanner.
>>1405594
nice meme
Don't forget the crusaders eating people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma'arra
>>1407000
Read the article
>the torture and killing of Muslim captives for cannibalism by Radulph of Caen are very unlikely since there are no Arab or Muslim records of the events
>>1406882
>? I have never and will never kiss any nigger or paki feet.
Your overlords and the muslim refugees say otherwise, better start kissing their feet and pay jizya or you will be beheaded and stoned in the future.
>>1403861
Literally 90% of knowledge we have on ancient Greece would be lost if we didn't have the islamic translation movement during their golden age around 1100.
>ITT /his/ fantasies
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>>1407057
Arabic science existed in spite of Islam, not because it.
>>1407073
The same can be said of any religion, also Mudslimes weren't the only fanatics to burn library of Alexandria.
>>1404356
>>1404359
>>1407073
1. Simply not true, early Islam and the Quran encouraged it
2. It's a total lie and myth that Muslims destroyed the library of Alexandria, the Romans did that.
>>1406749
Of course it was.
You don't think they thought
>guys lets just take Jerusalem, but not hold it!
>>1407164
The goal was to help the Byzantines; taking the Levant was a part. Jerusalem wasn't anything particular and the pope never even mentioned it
>>1407073
The early caliphates united shitloads of people which gave them a forum for exchange of ideas.
>>1407155
Alexandrian Library was destroyed several times. Christians did the most, Arabs finished it off.
>early Islam and the Quran encouraged it
Islamic conquests rode on the back of the Black Plague that wiped out Byzantine Rome, the true carrier of knowledge and enlightenment into the 15th century.
I'm not saying the arabs were stupid, I just don't see the evidence that they were revolutionary scientists. Algebra might have an arabic name, but it came from the Hindus.
There were plenty of things the Arabs did that Europeans couldn't, like sailing and cartography. There were also plenty of things that Europeans independently developed that arabs never grasped, like agricultural development and metallurgy. Damascus steel was from india, and compared to the same crucible steel worked by the franks was inferior even by their records.
Believing the Islamic golden age was the "end all be all" of civilization is some 'we wuz kangs' level of idiocy.
>>1407245
>Arabs finished it off.
They didn't though. It's literally made up by Arabs centuries later to look cool.
You don't see the evidence because you don't look and you don't want to see, you want to believe they did nothing but at best translate some documents. It's disgusting how you corrupt history to fit your political agenda.
>Believing the Islamic golden age was the "end all be all" of civilization is some 'we wuz kangs' level of idiocy.
No one believes this.
>>1407256
Back to the point, the Islamic expansion was a brutal affair perpetrated by blood thirsty looters.
The myth that Muslims were enlightened overlords needs to be put to rest.
you know sometimes i like to wake up in the morning and just
yell
at muslims
on the internet
>>1407287
t. makes value judgements on events that happened hundreds of years ago
>>1407303
desu, I don't even mind muslims, the ones on /int/ are usually pretty decent. But so many shitposters here, I wish they brought flags back just to see how many.
>>1407314
i bet you fifty neo-shekels most of the shitposters on both sides here are americans or other anglos
>>1402613
Not only were they a failure, they were also objectively unchristian.
The whole "le islam religion of peace" joke can be made back at christians simply because of the crusades. I really dislike them for that, like a black ink spot on my favorite shirt.
Goes to show that even before the enlightenment age castrated christianity to turn it slow and sluggish, it was still a fucking retard being used for political purposes, and this hurts.
>>1402692
It was a preemptive strike.
>>1402623
>people being baited this hard
Come on /his/ I thought we were better than this
